Pat Dye not ready to believe in South Carolina

The former football coaches on the Scripps Legend Poll were among the best at identifying and addressing weaknesses during their careers, so it makes sense they easily do the same assessing other programs.

The topic of Monday's teleconference turned to overrated programs, and the legends coaches were quick to speak their minds.

Former Auburn coach Pat Dye indicated South Carolina's 54-3 win over Kentucky Saturday didn't do anything to change his opinion that the Gamecocks are overrated.

"I still don't like South Carolina,'' Dye said. "Hell no, it was against Kentucky. They could all score 60 or 70 points against Kentucky. Let them throw for 300 yards against Alabama or LSU, then I'll be impressed with South Carolina.''

Dye said he ranks his former team, Auburn, in the bottom half of the SEC.

"You got LSU and Alabama at the top,'' he said, "then under that you got Arkansas, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida.''

Former Ohio State coach John Cooper piped in on who he felt were the Big Ten's most overrated teams, Michigan and Illinois.

"I take my hat off to Michigan's coaching staff; I think they have done a fabulous job and are much improved from last year,'' Cooper said. "Fact is, they don't have any players, they have a quarterback that's making plays. I do not think Michigan is the 10th ranked team in the country, and I think that will show as the season goes on.

"I would not be surprised if Michigan State beats them this week.''

Cooper said Wisconsin is easily the best of the Big Ten, and that Illinois is overrated, too.

"Another team in our league that's overrated but playing really good, undefeated, is Illinois,'' Cooper said. "I don't think Illinois is a top 15 team, and it will catch up with them down the road.''

Former Virginia coach George Welsh gave props to Wake Forest for how well it's coached, but as a whole, he's not impressed with the ACC.

"Except for Clemson,'' Welsh said, "I don't think there's a really good team in the ACC.''

Former UCLA coach Terry Donahue was also tough in his assessment of the Pac-12 this season.

"The best teams in the conference are Stanford, Oregon and Arizona State, and after that there's not a good team in the conference,'' Donahue said. "I hate to say that, but it's true. It's a really unimpressive conference this year. Nobody is playing very good defense out here.

"USC, it's the worst defensive team I've seen at USC, maybe ever, but certainly in 25 or 30 years.''

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volspaws writes:

Wow....a Pat Dye headline in the KNS for the second straight Monday. Is Pat Dye and his opinion on anything really relevant to anyone on earth other than a few toothless yokels in south Alabama?

VolzsFan writes:

"USC, it's the worst defensive team I've seen at USC, maybe ever, but certainly in 25 or 30 years.''

And Tenn made him the highest paid coordinator in history. Nice job Hammy.

The_Real_Orange writes:

in response to VolzsFan:

"USC, it's the worst defensive team I've seen at USC, maybe ever, but certainly in 25 or 30 years.''

And Tenn made him the highest paid coordinator in history. Nice job Hammy.

Now wait just a minute, Gerry and Naval told us that the staff Lane put together was the BEST in cfb! They are never wrong :)

TartanShuttle writes:

The truth that Pat Dye (one of the greatest recruiters) overlooks is what can happen when a perennial doormat like South Carolina commits to hiring a proven winner, Coach Spurrier.

It was not long ago that South Carolina was considered an automatic win for Tennessee. Contrast their decision with ours. We, on the other hand, opted for an unprepared, unheralded coach who has demonstrated in two SEC games this year that he's anything but ready for prime time. As a result, Tennessee victories over South Carolina are now considered a momentous upset. Let us also not forget that Coach Kiffin inherited the same mess that Coach Fulmer left and, without the benefit of a second year of rebuilding, gave us two big wins over South Carolina and Georgia.

The plain truth is, that though we may like Coach Dooley (I do), our team has made no progress, in the ever improving world of the SEC.

It is time to get a proven winner. Just as South Carolina did. That is, unless you believe the widely dispersed myth that, unlike perennial doormat South Carolina, we can't attract a quality coach.

RichmondKyVol writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEAR:

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I think he was.

fearthehound writes:

in response to TartanShuttle:

The truth that Pat Dye (one of the greatest recruiters) overlooks is what can happen when a perennial doormat like South Carolina commits to hiring a proven winner, Coach Spurrier.

It was not long ago that South Carolina was considered an automatic win for Tennessee. Contrast their decision with ours. We, on the other hand, opted for an unprepared, unheralded coach who has demonstrated in two SEC games this year that he's anything but ready for prime time. As a result, Tennessee victories over South Carolina are now considered a momentous upset. Let us also not forget that Coach Kiffin inherited the same mess that Coach Fulmer left and, without the benefit of a second year of rebuilding, gave us two big wins over South Carolina and Georgia.

The plain truth is, that though we may like Coach Dooley (I do), our team has made no progress, in the ever improving world of the SEC.

It is time to get a proven winner. Just as South Carolina did. That is, unless you believe the widely dispersed myth that, unlike perennial doormat South Carolina, we can't attract a quality coach.

Although Lou Holtz didn't set the world on fire, he didn't leave the cupboard completely bare for Spurrier in Columbia, and even though Spurrier only managed two lower tiered bowls his first two years and a 6-6 record his third year, the good fans in South Carolina weren't screaming for his head. The difference is the ridiculous expectations placed on the coaches at Tennessee just because we enjoyed a few years at the top. Things are a whole lot different now. Dooley clearly said that we should only be marginally better this year than last year, which I believe we are. It's going to take a minimum of 3 to 5 years to be back where we ought to be. We need to give him and his staff time, otherwise, we will simply start the whole process again and receive similar results.

TartanShuttle writes:

in response to fearthehound:

Although Lou Holtz didn't set the world on fire, he didn't leave the cupboard completely bare for Spurrier in Columbia, and even though Spurrier only managed two lower tiered bowls his first two years and a 6-6 record his third year, the good fans in South Carolina weren't screaming for his head. The difference is the ridiculous expectations placed on the coaches at Tennessee just because we enjoyed a few years at the top. Things are a whole lot different now. Dooley clearly said that we should only be marginally better this year than last year, which I believe we are. It's going to take a minimum of 3 to 5 years to be back where we ought to be. We need to give him and his staff time, otherwise, we will simply start the whole process again and receive similar results.

The plain truth is that marginal success at South Carolina is proof of progress. As I said they have always been a perennial doormat.

By comparison, Tennessee is a traditional power. I refuse to compare South Carolina to Tennessee other than to show degrees of progress. A 6-6 record at S.C. may be extraordinary. At Tennessee (with 6 automatic wins on the schedule) it's a failure.

For anyone to consider, with a straight face, a Coach whose team has yet to gain a single yard from scrimmage, rushing the football, against 2 mediocre SEC teams,as having made progress, is either delusional, or simply doesn't care about their team.

How's that disloyal or a sign of unreasonable expectations?

BigBoyBall writes:

in response to TartanShuttle:

The truth that Pat Dye (one of the greatest recruiters) overlooks is what can happen when a perennial doormat like South Carolina commits to hiring a proven winner, Coach Spurrier.

It was not long ago that South Carolina was considered an automatic win for Tennessee. Contrast their decision with ours. We, on the other hand, opted for an unprepared, unheralded coach who has demonstrated in two SEC games this year that he's anything but ready for prime time. As a result, Tennessee victories over South Carolina are now considered a momentous upset. Let us also not forget that Coach Kiffin inherited the same mess that Coach Fulmer left and, without the benefit of a second year of rebuilding, gave us two big wins over South Carolina and Georgia.

The plain truth is, that though we may like Coach Dooley (I do), our team has made no progress, in the ever improving world of the SEC.

It is time to get a proven winner. Just as South Carolina did. That is, unless you believe the widely dispersed myth that, unlike perennial doormat South Carolina, we can't attract a quality coach.

what's this "we" stuff you talk of. you may be a fan, but not a real fan. a real fan stays the course and supports the vols "no matter what".
you do not hire, fire, call plays, or do defensive adjustments. nor do i. as far as kiffs big wins, look at geo and socals record that year and you might get an insight as to why they were such big wins. GOVOLS>no matter what

DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho writes:

in response to TartanShuttle:

The truth that Pat Dye (one of the greatest recruiters) overlooks is what can happen when a perennial doormat like South Carolina commits to hiring a proven winner, Coach Spurrier.

It was not long ago that South Carolina was considered an automatic win for Tennessee. Contrast their decision with ours. We, on the other hand, opted for an unprepared, unheralded coach who has demonstrated in two SEC games this year that he's anything but ready for prime time. As a result, Tennessee victories over South Carolina are now considered a momentous upset. Let us also not forget that Coach Kiffin inherited the same mess that Coach Fulmer left and, without the benefit of a second year of rebuilding, gave us two big wins over South Carolina and Georgia.

The plain truth is, that though we may like Coach Dooley (I do), our team has made no progress, in the ever improving world of the SEC.

It is time to get a proven winner. Just as South Carolina did. That is, unless you believe the widely dispersed myth that, unlike perennial doormat South Carolina, we can't attract a quality coach.

Tartan: You and I agree on the idea that UT needs to go out and get a proven winner, but man on man do we disagree about the type of coach to go get. Spurrier's career declined after 2001. He lost some kind of edge that he hasn't been able to get back. It's a testament to his talent that, even without his edge, he backed into an SEC championship last year (but then...Fulmer did that too).

Dooley was way too unproven as a coach when we got him. He hadn't paid his dues and he hadn't shown that he could dominate his conference or that he had a natural talent for winning. I think Meyer, rather than Spurrier, is the prototype model we should be looking at. Mid-to late forties. Former play calling experience as either a def. or off. coordinator (and yes, I know that Meyer wasn't an O/D Coordinator before he was the HC at Bowling Green). At least four years of proven success as a head coach. "Proven success" means that the coach has won at least 70% of games he coached and beaten at least one top-25 ranked team over the course of his time as an HC.

No, it won't be simple to find that guy, but it should be the goal. UT deserves the best. We have the best facilities. We have the best stadium. We have the best atmosphere. Now, we have (I think) one of the best Athletics Directors. We deserve to find the best coach for our boys.

Also...I am 100% with you that we are not a doormat like South Carolina. We won the FIRST BCS championship. We need to start damn acting like a champion.

pdhuff#552644 writes:

Agree with Dye, could get real interesting on the 29th in Neyland.

Provided the Ga game officiating crew is not back.

abnerPeabody writes:

in response to TartanShuttle:

The plain truth is that marginal success at South Carolina is proof of progress. As I said they have always been a perennial doormat.

By comparison, Tennessee is a traditional power. I refuse to compare South Carolina to Tennessee other than to show degrees of progress. A 6-6 record at S.C. may be extraordinary. At Tennessee (with 6 automatic wins on the schedule) it's a failure.

For anyone to consider, with a straight face, a Coach whose team has yet to gain a single yard from scrimmage, rushing the football, against 2 mediocre SEC teams,as having made progress, is either delusional, or simply doesn't care about their team.

How's that disloyal or a sign of unreasonable expectations?

You may be right on all accounts. However,I will completely agree with you on running the football. Minus 29 yards against 2 of the worst teams in the SEC this year,at this time anyway,is not showing progress. They ran better last year without the experience they have this year.

Not only has the ground game regressed, try looking at the special teams. They stink worse than a road kill skunk.

I believe there has been very little progress from Fulmer's last year.Not by Kiffin,not by Dooley.

We are Tennessee,and for numerous reasons,rebuilding will take several years .Our location,coaches and losing record the past few years will make it very hard to get back to Fulmer's glory years.

Proof is looking at how long it took Majors,(with the help of Fulmer and other good coaches) to put together a consistent winner.Fulmer expanded on that and took us to heights we haven't seen since Dickey or even before.

Dooley hasen't had enough time to carry out his plan.It will take a couple more years and some very hard work before we will know if he is truly the man that will lead this program back to the Fulmer glory years.

I am not knocking Dooley. I am not giving praise to Fulmer.What I am saying is we are a long way from competing for conference honors and even farther from national honors. Give this administration a little longer before we start yelling for Dooley's head.

I was all for replaceing Fulmer.Now I am not so sure that was the right move. Maybe he should have been giving a choice of replaceing some assist. coaches or being fired for not doing so.

Like most of you,I don't know the answer. If I did,I would not be here typing my opinion. I would be head coach making millions.
Stand behind Dooley.Let's see where we are in a couple more years.After that,we can do what needs to be done one way or another.

tovolny writes:

Who cares what Pat Dye thinks? Why are we being bombarded by this? Does what he thinks change anything?

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