John Adams: Vols still open to criticism

John Adams

My opinion on open dates isn't what it used to be.

Old opinion: Schedule an open date the week before your best opponent.

New opinion: Schedule an open date the week after your best patsy.

The change of opinion is three years in the making. I can give you an exact date when my belief was first shaken: Nov. 8, 2008. You might remember that as the day Wyoming turned Rocky Top upside down.

It was bad enough that the Vols already knew they were losing their longtime coach, Phillip Fulmer. The damage was compounded by a loss to a Wyoming team on its way to a 5-7 season and only a couple of weeks removed from a five-game losing streak in which it was outscored by 177 points.

How much worse could it get?

The answer would come in the next two weeks during which fans and media had way too much time to sort through the rubble of one of the most embarrassing losses in school history.

Losing is bad. Losing the week before an open date is worse, because the defeat is analyzed and reanalyzed.

That's how it went last year after Tennessee stumbled into its open-date week with a 41-14 loss to Georgia. Every shortcoming was scrutinized in such exquisite detail over the next two weeks, you might have deemed the Vols incapable of running on to the field against Alabama.

My new open-date philosophy was solidified last week after UT's loss to Florida.

The postgame critique is just past the halfway mark, and — as you might have noticed — UT isn't faring well. Its most glaring weakness has become an ongoing debate.

"They can't block," says one fan.

"They can't tackle," says another.

"Why can't we run the ball?" asks one fan.

"Why are our special teams so bad?" asks another.

The criticism would have been as harsh if the Vols had played a game this weekend. But it wouldn't have lasted as long.

The open-date week went as slow as the Vols in pursuit of Chris Rainey. In fact, it dragged on so long, you might have forgotten that the season seemed promising as recently as September 16. For the first time in a long time, UT fans actually were looking forward to the Florida game.

By the time Tennessee plays Buffalo on Saturday, its fans will have had two weeks to look back on Florida. That's two weeks too long.

No team is as bad as two weeks of criticism would suggest. The Vols lost a game to a nationally ranked team by 10 points and lost perhaps their best player, wide receiver Justin Hunter, to a season-ending knee injury. But all is not lost.

Quarterback Tyler Bray still leads the SEC in passing. Kentucky is still on the schedule. And maybe, the Vols have learned a lesson.

You don't schedule your easiest game for the opener or homecoming. You schedule it before your open date.

John Adams is a senior columnist. He may be reached at 865-342-6284 or adamsj@knoxnews.com. Follow him at http://twitter.com/johnadamskns

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xvolx writes:

It's obvious that this off. line can't run block. Take out the running back, add another tight end and receiver and let Bray carry the offense.

HtownVol writes:

Open date has nothing to do with it.

UT simply has no run game so far. We have a good O-Line but they can not make holes at all.When there are 20 players plugged in the middle of the line and the outside is wide open Poole seems to try to push the pile. I am no coach and I dont know how to fix that.

Right now, I am very happy for this open date. The team lost its identity without Hunter and 2 weeks is as much as we can hope for when having a new role cast for our WRs. Arnett and Dallas will need all the reps they can get with Bray.

There is one thing I am sure of, Bray will put the ball on the money no matter if it is Hunter,Dallas,Arnett of Milton (Hunter just knows what to do with it).

A extra week of practice and then Buffalo is very good practice to get ready for the beast of a schedule we have coming up.

GO VOLS

lomas98 writes:

in response to HtownVol:

Open date has nothing to do with it.

UT simply has no run game so far. We have a good O-Line but they can not make holes at all.When there are 20 players plugged in the middle of the line and the outside is wide open Poole seems to try to push the pile. I am no coach and I dont know how to fix that.

Right now, I am very happy for this open date. The team lost its identity without Hunter and 2 weeks is as much as we can hope for when having a new role cast for our WRs. Arnett and Dallas will need all the reps they can get with Bray.

There is one thing I am sure of, Bray will put the ball on the money no matter if it is Hunter,Dallas,Arnett of Milton (Hunter just knows what to do with it).

A extra week of practice and then Buffalo is very good practice to get ready for the beast of a schedule we have coming up.

GO VOLS

If the o line cannot make holes, why do you think they are good? I like the timing of the open date considering the hunter injury. Dooley needs to win a big game and 2 weeks from now is one. We need some hope that he is the guy 3 years from now. Gotta find a win at home against georgia.

murrayvol writes:

These Vols had a right to be optimistic going to FU. Take away 3 game changing plays and it would've been a dogfight.

It takes time to fix a train wreck. It takes even longer in the SEC. We'll get there....just not as fast as we'd like.

tovolny writes:

WAS THIS ARTICLE NECESSARY? WAS IT WHAT WE VOL FANS WANTED FROM brother John?

It was just John's moment to crush the Vols again like he does his cigarettes.

What about some POSITIVE news...maybe something about the teams progress.

WE ARE BEING HELD HOSTAGE BY JOHN ADAMS...The head man at KNS should do something about it, but John has too much information on him...so the beat goes on.

HOW CAN WE ESCAPE?

thevoice writes:

in response to tovolny:

WAS THIS ARTICLE NECESSARY? WAS IT WHAT WE VOL FANS WANTED FROM brother John?

It was just John's moment to crush the Vols again like he does his cigarettes.

What about some POSITIVE news...maybe something about the teams progress.

WE ARE BEING HELD HOSTAGE BY JOHN ADAMS...The head man at KNS should do something about it, but John has too much information on him...so the beat goes on.

HOW CAN WE ESCAPE?

Austin Ward, Gribbles, et. al. write about progress. Surely we all know Adams negatively criticizes the Vols. But evidently it's human nature to read and want to know about negativity. All I can say is "reader beware."

GerryOP writes:

If a troll bashes us, we fight tooth and nail to defend our pride. If JA writes less than a praising evaluation of our Vols, we turn all indignant and bash JA.

I'm proud to say I drink the orange Kool-Aide. That's what fans do. But, the fact remains that Dooley and the boys have some work, healing, and recovery ahead of them. Let's hope they put these 2 weeks to good use.

2-1 on our way to 12-1 baby ... 12-1!

vol4life0687 writes:

When will us Vol fans ever hear good news again

Tau_of_Tennessee writes:

in response to thevoice:

Austin Ward, Gribbles, et. al. write about progress. Surely we all know Adams negatively criticizes the Vols. But evidently it's human nature to read and want to know about negativity. All I can say is "reader beware."

You girls crack me up! Do you all get together and group watch Opra? Stay positive girls, only think about the positive. Think good thoughts. Do not let the humor of that bad man JA infiltrate our positive aura. He is trying to hurt us with his words and amuse others who can sense nuance. or a touch irony, humor, or complexity.

OwensboroVol writes:

Not related to this, but I've been watching LSU destroy West Virginia and, Gentlemen, LSU may be the best College Team I've seen in a long long time. They may be the best I've ever seen. They don't get excited, they just keep coming after you relentlessly. I watched Alabama today and they are just children compared to this team. I am in awe!

therev writes:

in response to 02champs#209256:

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Like! lol

Slystone writes:

in response to vol4life0687:

When will us Vol fans ever hear good news again

When we start winning especially against a quality opponent

keviningeorgia writes:

The o line is better than many think because UT can score 30 points a game with it's passing attack. You can't do that with a poor o line.

The o line needs to improve on run blocking without ruining their pass blocking progress. That's easier said than done. Teams that concentrate on passing usually have more issues with making holes. Why? Because setting up to pass block is so much more passive than run blocking.

I believe with the QB and receivers we have Dooley will ride the passing game again this year. We will see run blocking improvement on the smaller teams. But, unless they can strike the balance during this off week, I think improvement in run blocking will continue to be slow with the bigger teams.

Their not going to start over and try to teach run blocking 101 at this stage for fear of losing ground on a steadily improving passing game.

Not all bad. UT can still win 8 or 9 this year being an excellent pass team with a mediocre running game. Just not what they want to do for the long term is all...

allntl1#565211 writes:

in response to xvolx:

It's obvious that this off. line can't run block. Take out the running back, add another tight end and receiver and let Bray carry the offense.

I agree with what Howard Johnson said. Thats some of the best frontier jibberish I've ever heard.

tovolny writes:

in response to thevoice:

Austin Ward, Gribbles, et. al. write about progress. Surely we all know Adams negatively criticizes the Vols. But evidently it's human nature to read and want to know about negativity. All I can say is "reader beware."

Thanks John.

Packer_Park_Orange (Inactive) writes:

Adams has it all wrong...After the feast on Buffalo people will convince themselves that this team's on its way to the BCS championship..Just like all the Pollyanna cropolla about CDD two/three star recruits being superior because they're high character guys.

We have a coach who can't teach a center snap up against men with national championships..who know it takes 4 and 5 star players...Take a look at Bama, LSU and others...With Dooley's perennial 6th best SEC recruiting classes...We'll be a perennial 5-7 or 6-6...Be happy with that..You all seem to have the man you want.

cloudodust writes:

The character of a football player / team can be measured in terms of adversity in comparison to growth. I'd like to see some gaps we could drive the ol' semi through too, but I'm still of the impression one can't lay it all on the O-line in the run game. If they gotta excel at run or pass blocking, at this point of their growth and the health of Bray, give me the latter.

cloudodust writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

Adams has it all wrong...After the feast on Buffalo people will convince themselves that this team's on its way to the BCS championship..Just like all the Pollyanna cropolla about CDD two/three star recruits being superior because they're high character guys.

We have a coach who can't teach a center snap up against men with national championships..who know it takes 4 and 5 star players...Take a look at Bama, LSU and others...With Dooley's perennial 6th best SEC recruiting classes...We'll be a perennial 5-7 or 6-6...Be happy with that..You all seem to have the man you want.

If it helps to make your life any more miserable than it already is, you're right. We got the man we want...

Bigger_Al writes:

Eff Adams.

OrangePsyched writes:

Didn't this Bret Maverick cat pick Vandy to upset S. Carolina and Arkansas to shock Alabama. So much for his prognosticating skills. Find a new line of work dude. The only question I have is how soon Simms will come into the next game for mop up duty.

DannyVol writes:

It gives a young team essentially two open dates before a brutal stretch. This Adams dude has to go. It gets worse and worse...he hates you and your team. Recruits and their families see this stuff.

rootin4volz writes:

Ummmm...what the hell is this article about, anyway? Idiot.

GerryOP writes:

in response to smoky_moUnTain_sasqUaTch:

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Hey, if you don't aspire for greatness you will never attain it!

Realistically, if I concede AL and LSU, would you settle for 10-3? I would!

Be well my Vol brother!

snakeplissken writes:

in response to RockyMountainVol:

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All mistakes lead back to the head coach, and that's how it's always been. Id Dooley's coordinators and assistant coaches aren't coaching the players properly, then Dooley needs to fix the problem. The buck stops with Dooley!
Facts are Dooley has recruited two classes for UT. Like any other head coach who has taken over a program after the previous coach was fired, they usually have a shorter amount of time to recruit their first class.

HtownVol writes:

in response to lomas98:

If the o line cannot make holes, why do you think they are good? I like the timing of the open date considering the hunter injury. Dooley needs to win a big game and 2 weeks from now is one. We need some hope that he is the guy 3 years from now. Gotta find a win at home against georgia.

I should have added "at pass blocking" to "the O-Line is good". You know what I meant, we all see they are night and day in pass and run blocking.

snakeplissken writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

Adams has it all wrong...After the feast on Buffalo people will convince themselves that this team's on its way to the BCS championship..Just like all the Pollyanna cropolla about CDD two/three star recruits being superior because they're high character guys.

We have a coach who can't teach a center snap up against men with national championships..who know it takes 4 and 5 star players...Take a look at Bama, LSU and others...With Dooley's perennial 6th best SEC recruiting classes...We'll be a perennial 5-7 or 6-6...Be happy with that..You all seem to have the man you want.

Very astute comment about Dooley supposedly recruiting higher character guys than other programs, and that's why we're not going after the studs. That is so stupid that it's laughable! What a pitiful excuse some people come up with as to why 5-6 SEC teams outrecruited us in Dooley's SECOND recruiting class.

kcbigorngX writes:

in response to snakeplissken:

All mistakes lead back to the head coach, and that's how it's always been. Id Dooley's coordinators and assistant coaches aren't coaching the players properly, then Dooley needs to fix the problem. The buck stops with Dooley!
Facts are Dooley has recruited two classes for UT. Like any other head coach who has taken over a program after the previous coach was fired, they usually have a shorter amount of time to recruit their first class.

You just waste a lot of oxygen that could be used by the real human beings on this planet.

I suppose we are doomed to scroll past Bret Maverick's continuous drivel for the next year or two.

I can understand why KNS loves the hit count, but they should tag all of the alias names you use to talk to yourself.

kcbigorngX writes:

in response to simmsagain:

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Some hard working people inherited the big apple farm that is just to the south of my beautiful property.

They have some nice trees that were planted more than a generation ago, but have been left unattended until about 4 or 5 years. My trees are of a new breed and really just beginning to bear fruit.

How is it that my young apples are not as big and juicy as those of my southern neighbors?

keviningeorgia writes:

in response to kcbigorngX:

Some hard working people inherited the big apple farm that is just to the south of my beautiful property.

They have some nice trees that were planted more than a generation ago, but have been left unattended until about 4 or 5 years. My trees are of a new breed and really just beginning to bear fruit.

How is it that my young apples are not as big and juicy as those of my southern neighbors?

A good point. Well expressed.

MinisterOfDefense writes:

Look folks, let's step back, take off the Orange-Colored glasses, and throw out the people who feel like things are so hopeless we might as well cancel the rest of the season.

As far as the Florida game goes, here are some things, good and bad, to take home.
1. Tennessee lost their best player, maybe the best WR in America, on his first catch of the game. For a young team with an offense that is so effective in having Hunter AND Rogers on the field, that cannot be overstated.
2. The run blocking of the offensive line is atrocious. If Tennessee is going to see major success, this MUST improve.
3. Tackling drills would do our defense a ton of good. Too many poor attempts at even arm tackles.
4. The Big Orange Special Teams are awful. This facet of the game is the most maddening to me personally. The other problems are coachable, and experience will help, but our kicking game has just been pitiful for about 6 years now. It bit us again last Saturday.

MinisterOfDefense writes:

5. Despite points 1-4, Tennessee was in this game late, on the arm of Bray and the guts of Rogers. There's fight and talent on this team, and they are still very dangerous.
6. The Defense struggles to adjust. For three weeks in a row, the defense was killed by flat routes and bubble screens. Against UF, I don't think Brantley completed a pass over 10 yards in the air. I get not wanting to get beat deep, but make them prove they can first. Got to be able to adjust to places you're getting burned.
7. Losing Hunter is huge, but the Vols are pretty deep on talented wideouts. The next man has got to be ready to step up and fill the gap. In this case, the Vols need two of these young players to step up, one to fill Hunter's void, and one to offer more production from the slot to lighten the burden. Tennessee has the players and the talent to do just that.
8. The O-line is not good, not terrible, they're young. While run blocking is getting an F right now, the pass blocking is a B+. Hopefully run blocking improves as the season and players progress.
9. We are a pass first team. I love the run game, power football is UT football, but with this team, sling it boys. All over the field. Run enough to keep people honest, and pray it develops enough to have balance.
10. With everything I just mentioned, this is a unit that can still win 9 games. Buffalo, MTSU, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt (though this should be interesting) are games UT should win. I still feel like Tennessee is a better team than Georgia, who has to come into Knoxville. Arkansas will be very tough on the road, but this is another game the Vols can pull out. South Carolina will be a dog fight, but with the game in Neyland and Garcia running the show, all bets are off. I have a hard time seeing UT upset LSU or Bama, but the Third Saturday in October is a game that you can throw all the records out for, and after watching a UT team last season that didn't have a chance in Baton Rouge, things could be interesting.

I know this was a bit lengthy, but there's got to be a middle ground out here friends. This is a unit that at worst, goes 7-5, likely goes 8-4 or 9-3. There are plenty of issues, but there are some real positives to take out of this too. And FYI, that Cincy win is starting to look like it may have been over a darn good team. Long winded, but hey, most preachers are. Go Vols.

Can I Get A Witness?!

snakeplissken writes:

"5. Despite points 1-4, Tennessee was in this game late, on the arm of Bray and the guts of Rogers. There's fight and talent on this team, and they are still very dangerous."

Tennessee really wasn't ever in this game, other than the final score of losing by 10 points. Dooley and his staff made a ton of strategic mistakes in the game, and had it not been for Muschamp being a friend of Dooley's, the score could have been much worse. When the Gator's lead got to 30-7. Muschamp ordered Weiss to take his foot off the gas and just coast. Florida quit throwing those passes they were so successful with earlier in the game and they just played very vanilla and conservative since they knew the game was won.

keviningeorgia writes:

in response to MinisterOfDefense:

5. Despite points 1-4, Tennessee was in this game late, on the arm of Bray and the guts of Rogers. There's fight and talent on this team, and they are still very dangerous.
6. The Defense struggles to adjust. For three weeks in a row, the defense was killed by flat routes and bubble screens. Against UF, I don't think Brantley completed a pass over 10 yards in the air. I get not wanting to get beat deep, but make them prove they can first. Got to be able to adjust to places you're getting burned.
7. Losing Hunter is huge, but the Vols are pretty deep on talented wideouts. The next man has got to be ready to step up and fill the gap. In this case, the Vols need two of these young players to step up, one to fill Hunter's void, and one to offer more production from the slot to lighten the burden. Tennessee has the players and the talent to do just that.
8. The O-line is not good, not terrible, they're young. While run blocking is getting an F right now, the pass blocking is a B+. Hopefully run blocking improves as the season and players progress.
9. We are a pass first team. I love the run game, power football is UT football, but with this team, sling it boys. All over the field. Run enough to keep people honest, and pray it develops enough to have balance.
10. With everything I just mentioned, this is a unit that can still win 9 games. Buffalo, MTSU, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt (though this should be interesting) are games UT should win. I still feel like Tennessee is a better team than Georgia, who has to come into Knoxville. Arkansas will be very tough on the road, but this is another game the Vols can pull out. South Carolina will be a dog fight, but with the game in Neyland and Garcia running the show, all bets are off. I have a hard time seeing UT upset LSU or Bama, but the Third Saturday in October is a game that you can throw all the records out for, and after watching a UT team last season that didn't have a chance in Baton Rouge, things could be interesting.

I know this was a bit lengthy, but there's got to be a middle ground out here friends. This is a unit that at worst, goes 7-5, likely goes 8-4 or 9-3. There are plenty of issues, but there are some real positives to take out of this too. And FYI, that Cincy win is starting to look like it may have been over a darn good team. Long winded, but hey, most preachers are. Go Vols.

Can I Get A Witness?!

Amen, reverand!

Praise The Lord and pass the plate!

MinisterOfDefense writes:

in response to snakeplissken:

"5. Despite points 1-4, Tennessee was in this game late, on the arm of Bray and the guts of Rogers. There's fight and talent on this team, and they are still very dangerous."

Tennessee really wasn't ever in this game, other than the final score of losing by 10 points. Dooley and his staff made a ton of strategic mistakes in the game, and had it not been for Muschamp being a friend of Dooley's, the score could have been much worse. When the Gator's lead got to 30-7. Muschamp ordered Weiss to take his foot off the gas and just coast. Florida quit throwing those passes they were so successful with earlier in the game and they just played very vanilla and conservative since they knew the game was won.

"Tennessee really wasn't ever in this game, other than the final score of losing by 10 points."

The final score is pretty important, wouldn't you agree? Tennessee had a chance late, and got picked off in UF territory on a drive that could have cut the lead to one score. UF jumped on UT early, but they did claw back in, again I say, without the best player on their team. (Think Rainey going down in the first drive, that's the magnitude that injury was to Tennessee.) More than strategic mistakes by the coaching staff, I point to poor execution by the players, and, yet again in the Florida game, inexcusable special teams play being the turning point of the game.

On a side note here, even though it beat us, I am still not impressed with that UF offense. UT refused to adjust, (a disturbing hallmark of WIlcox that is making me nervous) to play tight on the UF recievers and make Brantley beat them. Other defenses will do that, and it could prove a problem for the Gators. John Brantley is going to have to throw passes to beat tight, man coverage and back teams out of 8 man fronts/run blitzes to stop Rainey. That makes every Florida Fan that is a friend of mine very uncomfortable.

snakeplissken writes:

in response to MinisterOfDefense:

"Tennessee really wasn't ever in this game, other than the final score of losing by 10 points."

The final score is pretty important, wouldn't you agree? Tennessee had a chance late, and got picked off in UF territory on a drive that could have cut the lead to one score. UF jumped on UT early, but they did claw back in, again I say, without the best player on their team. (Think Rainey going down in the first drive, that's the magnitude that injury was to Tennessee.) More than strategic mistakes by the coaching staff, I point to poor execution by the players, and, yet again in the Florida game, inexcusable special teams play being the turning point of the game.

On a side note here, even though it beat us, I am still not impressed with that UF offense. UT refused to adjust, (a disturbing hallmark of WIlcox that is making me nervous) to play tight on the UF recievers and make Brantley beat them. Other defenses will do that, and it could prove a problem for the Gators. John Brantley is going to have to throw passes to beat tight, man coverage and back teams out of 8 man fronts/run blitzes to stop Rainey. That makes every Florida Fan that is a friend of mine very uncomfortable.

I'll remind you again, look at Florida's playcalling after they jumped up 30-7 on us.
A strategic mistake on Dooley's part was settling for a field goal in the 4th quarter rather than going for it on 4th and 2. We were behind by 17 at that point but Dooley sent a message to the team he didn't have confidence in them. We had some mo thanks to Florida going vanilla on offense and their two freshmen defensive backs getting flagged about 10 times for pass interference.
I agree with you about Florida, they're not that good. Which makes our loss to them even more painful!!!

keviningeorgia writes:

in response to snakeplissken:

Very astute comment about Dooley supposedly recruiting higher character guys than other programs, and that's why we're not going after the studs. That is so stupid that it's laughable! What a pitiful excuse some people come up with as to why 5-6 SEC teams outrecruited us in Dooley's SECOND recruiting class.

According to who 5 or 6 teams have out recruited UT in Dooley's 2nd class? Recruiting analysts? Yeah, they are always right on. That's why whoever wins the national recruiting class each year wins the BCS National Championship.... like NEVER.

You Dooley haters will mix and mingle facts and numbers around any way you can to support your argument that he isn't a good coach.

Guess what? You sure as heck don't know if he is or not. Only time will tell and Dooley's time ain't up yet. No matter how much you back stabbers and UT haters want it to be.

Hey, but by all means, keep spouting your "facts" and support each other. Since the club is only about 10 to 12 strong, you guys need to stick together...

snakeplissken writes:

I'll take those recruiting analyst's opinions over yours any day.
I don't hate Dooley, but I don't think he's the coach to turn us around. My opinion that he won't is based on facts of his overall record as a head coach, and what I'm already seeing in his second year.
What do you base your opinion on that he will turn us around other than the fact you can't debate me without silly namecalling. That's the first sign of someone who can't back up what they say.

snakeplissken writes:

in response to keviningeorgia:

According to who 5 or 6 teams have out recruited UT in Dooley's 2nd class? Recruiting analysts? Yeah, they are always right on. That's why whoever wins the national recruiting class each year wins the BCS National Championship.... like NEVER.

You Dooley haters will mix and mingle facts and numbers around any way you can to support your argument that he isn't a good coach.

Guess what? You sure as heck don't know if he is or not. Only time will tell and Dooley's time ain't up yet. No matter how much you back stabbers and UT haters want it to be.

Hey, but by all means, keep spouting your "facts" and support each other. Since the club is only about 10 to 12 strong, you guys need to stick together...

Last signing class:
#1 Alabama
#5 Georgia
#6 LSU
#7 Auburn
#10 Florida
#13 Tennessee

snakeplissken writes:

Present recruiting class as of today:
#4 Florida
#5 Alabama
#8 LSU
#10 Auburn
#12 South Carolina
#17 Tennessee

By looking at last years haul, we were 6th. With this years haul (as of now), Tennessee is left sucking 6th tit yet again. What makes it worse is that the best players we have that are verbally committed aren't doing a thing for us on the defensive line or linebackers!!! I'm still amazed that a couple of these guys they have that no other major school is even recruiting!!!

keviningeorgia writes:

in response to RockyMountainVol:

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You just as well be talking to a wall, bud. I went back and forth with this guy once myself. He claims to be an ex - Vol athelete but when you use logic in a question, he avoids it or just doesn't answer at all.

He is on here to constantly make negative statements in hopes of getting the occasional reader to agree or begin to question the staff.

Kind of like political hacks do, he will continue to spout his bull hoping it will slowly gain traction. He knows he is in a marathon and has no business in a sprint.

At the very least he is a self admitted back stabber who not only turned his back on his university but sticks a knife in their's at every opportunity.

He's an educated individual, I think. But, education doesn't camoflauge the smell of a slimy character...

Have a great day!

OwensboroVol writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

Adams has it all wrong...After the feast on Buffalo people will convince themselves that this team's on its way to the BCS championship..Just like all the Pollyanna cropolla about CDD two/three star recruits being superior because they're high character guys.

We have a coach who can't teach a center snap up against men with national championships..who know it takes 4 and 5 star players...Take a look at Bama, LSU and others...With Dooley's perennial 6th best SEC recruiting classes...We'll be a perennial 5-7 or 6-6...Be happy with that..You all seem to have the man you want.

A lot of the Polly Anna's will disagree with you on this. I guess I kinda disagree about the 5-7 or 6-6 record. Bill Battle was our last Coach who went out and recruited only the high character guys. After Doug Dickey's recruits were gone He never beat Alabama again and he never won an SEC championship again. What he did do was win 7-8 games a year very consistently. After 10-11 straight loses to Alabama and NO (ZERO) SEC Championships he was fired. He never has a Player arrested as far as I remember. I guess it just depends on what kind of a program you want. I prefer SEC and National Championships over the other. I was around in the Bill Battle years and I tell you it becomes real old, real fast!

MinisterOfDefense writes:

in response to snakeplissken:

I'll remind you again, look at Florida's playcalling after they jumped up 30-7 on us.
A strategic mistake on Dooley's part was settling for a field goal in the 4th quarter rather than going for it on 4th and 2. We were behind by 17 at that point but Dooley sent a message to the team he didn't have confidence in them. We had some mo thanks to Florida going vanilla on offense and their two freshmen defensive backs getting flagged about 10 times for pass interference.
I agree with you about Florida, they're not that good. Which makes our loss to them even more painful!!!

I agree with you on the 4th and 2 call. It is a bit more of a tricky call since the run game was in such a mess, but I feel like you go for the conversion for a totally different reason, Michael Palardy on the sideline is a good thing for Tennessee. I'm sure he's a good guy, but he is yet to show he can make field goals. As far as the pass interference calls go, those were just about at blatant as it gets, so no qualms on my part for seeing the flags thrown. I truly feel that with Hunter, we win that game, combination of losing him on the field and the mental effect of losing him was just too much. The Vols will be ok, its only one game (ableit that one hurt), and I still think 9 wins is not out of the question.

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snakeplissken writes:

in response to OwensboroVol:

A lot of the Polly Anna's will disagree with you on this. I guess I kinda disagree about the 5-7 or 6-6 record. Bill Battle was our last Coach who went out and recruited only the high character guys. After Doug Dickey's recruits were gone He never beat Alabama again and he never won an SEC championship again. What he did do was win 7-8 games a year very consistently. After 10-11 straight loses to Alabama and NO (ZERO) SEC Championships he was fired. He never has a Player arrested as far as I remember. I guess it just depends on what kind of a program you want. I prefer SEC and National Championships over the other. I was around in the Bill Battle years and I tell you it becomes real old, real fast!

5 of those 11 straight losses during that span belonged to Johnny Majors. After Bear got sick and lost a few good coaches Majors then beat Alabama 4 straight games, but was totally owned by Alabama's coaches during Major's last 7-8 years.

MinisterOfDefense writes:

in response to snakeplissken:

Present recruiting class as of today:
#4 Florida
#5 Alabama
#8 LSU
#10 Auburn
#12 South Carolina
#17 Tennessee

By looking at last years haul, we were 6th. With this years haul (as of now), Tennessee is left sucking 6th tit yet again. What makes it worse is that the best players we have that are verbally committed aren't doing a thing for us on the defensive line or linebackers!!! I'm still amazed that a couple of these guys they have that no other major school is even recruiting!!!

Look, you make some good points, but there's no single magic bullet that proves who will win the National Title every year. For a quick reference, Georgia tends to be in the Top 10 in recruiting overall each year, but have yet to reap the results from it. Recruiting isn't all of it, frankly neither is coaching. It requires a mix, and that's what makes college football great. You can't do it with just 4 and 5 star guys (see Texas, Florida, Florida State, and Georgia 2010). Equally, character is something you want on your team, but you have to have talent to go with it (see Mid to Late 90's Vanderbilt). I think Dooley has it about right. You need the mix of character and talent, not to mention, how many 4 and 5 star recruits bust to the point you never hear from them again? You have to go get some studs, make sure they produce, and mix that with intelligence, toughness, and heart. Oh, and then you've got to coach it up. I can't say Dooley will succeed or not, but I like the way he is buidling the program. This is still a very young team that he is re-tooling. I still think we'll be pleased with the record at the end of the season, and I also think that will raise the level of that recruiting class.

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keviningeorgia writes:

in response to snakeplissken:

I'll take those recruiting analyst's opinions over yours any day.
I don't hate Dooley, but I don't think he's the coach to turn us around. My opinion that he won't is based on facts of his overall record as a head coach, and what I'm already seeing in his second year.
What do you base your opinion on that he will turn us around other than the fact you can't debate me without silly namecalling. That's the first sign of someone who can't back up what they say.

My reference to backstabber was made toward PPO, not you. My definition of backstabber is exactly what PPO is. Sorry, the post was poorly written in that it grouped you in the same batch. That wasn't the intent.

If you are a real UT fan, who wants them to succeed but isn't sure about the current coaching staff, I welcome open debate about that. But, if your ultimate goal on here is to throw garbage at the school, the staff or the athletes, (like PPO), debating is a waste of time.

My take on the recruiting analyst sites is this:

They are a fairly good indicator of ranking how fast a guy is in the 40, how much he can lift, squat, etc., etc.

There are lots of other things they measure that are important in determining an elite athlete. But, they don't (and can't) take into account anything about what type team mate he will be, does he get rattled in the clutch, is he likely to involve other players or does he try to do everything himself, etc., etc.

These things and many others, are every bit as important as the athletic ability in determining if 11 guys who are all star athletes will make a great or mediocre team.

The rating services are trying to sell magazine ads, internet ads or memberships, etc. So, they come up with their rating systems and debate who has the best class. It's all about creating interest to sell ads and is reliant on numbers only.

Any college coach will say sure they are happy to have the #1 ranked class. But, they will just as quickly say as long as a team ranks somewhere in the top 20 to 30 overall, they have enough quality athletes to compete with anyone else.

Sure, the team that won it all the previous year will be at or near the top of the rankings. But, having a top 10 ranked class in no way guarantees success in college ball. And, having the #5 ranked class doesn't give you any real edge from an overall team aspect over the team with the #15 ranked class.

The rankings simply aren't close enough to make up for overall coaching, players heart and the team gelling to use them as a big time determination of overall success.

I've also got several thoughts on why I feel passing judgement on Dooley at this stage is way too early.

I wont get into all that now other than to say go back and look at Gene Chizik's record when hired at Auburn. See who he coached and what his record was and tell me how he ever gets a chance based on how you are looking at Dooley's record.

keviningeorgia writes:

I miss spoke and didn't catch it before my last post. Please note the following correction:

As it reads now: Sure, the team that won it all the previous year will be at or near the top of the rankings.

As it should read: Sure, the team that won it all the previous year will be at or near the top of the rankings the next year. That's just recruits (and the ranking services) wanting to be a part of who was most recently #1.

Hopefully, that makes my ramblings more clear.

MinisterOfDefense writes:

in response to keviningeorgia:

My reference to backstabber was made toward PPO, not you. My definition of backstabber is exactly what PPO is. Sorry, the post was poorly written in that it grouped you in the same batch. That wasn't the intent.

If you are a real UT fan, who wants them to succeed but isn't sure about the current coaching staff, I welcome open debate about that. But, if your ultimate goal on here is to throw garbage at the school, the staff or the athletes, (like PPO), debating is a waste of time.

My take on the recruiting analyst sites is this:

They are a fairly good indicator of ranking how fast a guy is in the 40, how much he can lift, squat, etc., etc.

There are lots of other things they measure that are important in determining an elite athlete. But, they don't (and can't) take into account anything about what type team mate he will be, does he get rattled in the clutch, is he likely to involve other players or does he try to do everything himself, etc., etc.

These things and many others, are every bit as important as the athletic ability in determining if 11 guys who are all star athletes will make a great or mediocre team.

The rating services are trying to sell magazine ads, internet ads or memberships, etc. So, they come up with their rating systems and debate who has the best class. It's all about creating interest to sell ads and is reliant on numbers only.

Any college coach will say sure they are happy to have the #1 ranked class. But, they will just as quickly say as long as a team ranks somewhere in the top 20 to 30 overall, they have enough quality athletes to compete with anyone else.

Sure, the team that won it all the previous year will be at or near the top of the rankings. But, having a top 10 ranked class in no way guarantees success in college ball. And, having the #5 ranked class doesn't give you any real edge from an overall team aspect over the team with the #15 ranked class.

The rankings simply aren't close enough to make up for overall coaching, players heart and the team gelling to use them as a big time determination of overall success.

I've also got several thoughts on why I feel passing judgement on Dooley at this stage is way too early.

I wont get into all that now other than to say go back and look at Gene Chizik's record when hired at Auburn. See who he coached and what his record was and tell me how he ever gets a chance based on how you are looking at Dooley's record.

Well said keviningeorgia, well said indeed. Give a coach 3 full years at least. That's always been my opinion. He deserves to get the guys he recruited/coached from day one into the program. Dooley had a long way to bring our Vols, and frankly, not a ton to do it with. We're getting there, just keep moving forward.

On the subject of recruiting services, I have a big AMEN on that as well. They don't know everything, and are not a foolproof gauge. Recruiting is an inexact science, their information is to be used, not totally overblown though. And for those wanting to kill Coach Dooley's recruiting efforts, Hunter, Rogers, Bray, Arnett (limited spots), Jacques Smith, Curt Maggit, and others have certainly shown to be plenty talented on the field. Many more outstanding athletes out there than in most recent years.

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snakeplissken writes:

in response to MinisterOfDefense:

Well said keviningeorgia, well said indeed. Give a coach 3 full years at least. That's always been my opinion. He deserves to get the guys he recruited/coached from day one into the program. Dooley had a long way to bring our Vols, and frankly, not a ton to do it with. We're getting there, just keep moving forward.

On the subject of recruiting services, I have a big AMEN on that as well. They don't know everything, and are not a foolproof gauge. Recruiting is an inexact science, their information is to be used, not totally overblown though. And for those wanting to kill Coach Dooley's recruiting efforts, Hunter, Rogers, Bray, Arnett (limited spots), Jacques Smith, Curt Maggit, and others have certainly shown to be plenty talented on the field. Many more outstanding athletes out there than in most recent years.

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I know recruiting isn't an exact science, but these guys make a living at it and coaches (including Dooley) subscribe to them for a reason. They're not perfect, but they're the best indicator we have.
An example in what you said: "Hunter, Rogers, Bray, Arnett (limited spots), Jacques Smith, Curt Maggit, and others have certainly shown to be plenty talented on the field." Does it surprise you that all of these you mentioned were ranked 4 star or higher? Thanks for helping me make my point!

STLVOLS writes:

Boise State continues to amaze. Take a look at recruit stars vs. victories.

They are just consistently good in having a quality team on that blue field in little stadium in Boise, ID.

snakeplissken writes:

in response to STLVOLS:

Boise State continues to amaze. Take a look at recruit stars vs. victories.

They are just consistently good in having a quality team on that blue field in little stadium in Boise, ID.

Boise State is a good program, but do they play in the SEC? No need telling me they beat Georgia which is an average SEC team this year who Tennessee will beat in two weeks. The question is does Boise State play an SEC schedule?

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