Report: Ex-Tennessee assistant funded flight

UT assistant coach defensive backs, Willie Mack Garza, during practice at Haslam field in April 2009.

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UT assistant coach defensive backs, Willie Mack Garza, during practice at Haslam field in April 2009.

Former Tennessee assistant Willie Mack Garza paid for a top recruit and his mother to fly to Knoxville for an unofficial recruiting trip during Lane Kiffin's tenure at the school, Yahoo! Sports reported Monday night.

Garza followed Kiffin when he took over at Southern California, but the secondary coach resigned Sept. 1, citing "personal issues unrelated to USC."

A Tennessee spokesman said the university is aware of the issue and neither it nor the Southeastern Conference believes it would cause the program to be subject to the NCAA's repeat offender rules. The NCAA last month wrapped up a lengthy investigation into recruiting practices by former basketball coach Bruce Pearl and Kiffin that resulted in Tennessee receiving a two-year probation.

"We are aware of the situation as is the conference office," Tennessee associate athletic director for communications Jimmy Stanton said in a statement. "We've been verbally contacted by the NCAA enforcement staff regarding a recruiting issue in 2009 related to the former coaching staff and a student-athlete who never attended Tennessee.

"We believe, as does the conference office, that this matter is not subject to the repeat offender provision."

Yahoo! Sports reported Garza wired $1,500 to talent scout Will Lyles in July 2009 and the money was used for plane tickets for running back prospect Lache Seastrunk and his mother, Evelyn.

Lyles told NCAA investigators about the transaction in August, according to the website. He said NCAA investigators were examining Tennessee's recruiting practices.

Neither Garza nor Lyles could be reached by The Associated Press on Tuesday. Garza, USC spokesman Tim Tessalone and the NCAA declined comment when reached by Yahoo! Sports.

After USC practiced Tuesday, Kiffin told reporters: "All I can say on that is that the alleged incident, I had no knowledge of, or knowledge of a relationship at all. I have always been committed, wherever we've been, to doing things the right way and cooperating with the NCAA so that's all I've got on it."

Tennessee, Kiffin and USC officials in June faced the NCAA Committee on Infractions on charges of 16 improper recruiting phone calls and impermissible contact between football interns and recruits and that Kiffin had failed to monitor his staff's recruiting activities while at Tennessee. No charges were made specifically against Garza.

Investigators concluded in August there wasn't enough evidence to prove the violations committed by Kiffin and his staff were any more than secondary violations but warned Kiffin his time at Tennessee was "not a record of which to be proud."

"I'm hoping the NCAA is going to stay consistent with what they've done, which is, 'Let's target the people that make these mistakes, not the programs,'" Tennessee coach Derek Dooley said on Tuesday. When asked how long he had been aware of the NCAA's interest in the matter, Dooley replied, "Not very long."

The 5-foot-9, 190-pound Seastrunk signed with Oregon out of high school and was redshirted. He transferred to Baylor in August.

Evelyn Seastrunk acknowledged the trip to Knoxville but declined comment when asked by Yahoo! Sports who paid for the plane tickets or where they stayed during the trip.

"I'm so sick and tired of this 'Willie Lyles said this and Willie Lyles said that,'" she said. "I don't care what Willie Lyles says. I don't care as long as my son is OK.

"Whatever undercover dirty stuff that they're doing, I'm pretty sure that Willie Lyles is not the only person. He's just the only one that's been caught. This is something that they've been doing forever."

The NCAA is investigating services provided to Oregon by Lyles, who started his own scouting company in January 2009. At issue is whether Lyles helped steer Seastrunk to the Ducks.

Yahoo! Sports said it obtained a receipt for the wired money for the Tennessee flights, and it listed Willie Garza as the sender and Will Lyles as the receiver of $1,500.

Lyles told the website he agreed to speak to NCAA investigators on condition they granted Seastrunk immunity from any penalties associated with this incident.

"I wanted to make sure Lache would be fine, this isn't about him," Lyles said. "It's the NCAA's rules and the schools not following them. During our meeting it became clear the NCAA already had knowledge of what was going on at Tennessee."

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CarlChilders writes:

Time to walk behind kiffin again with a shovel and broom.

CarlChilders writes:

...and I really enjoyed hearing Bob Davies blast USC for a lack of emotion in the ASU game last Saturday. He basically said this wasn't a Pete Carroll team.

CCLC writes:

Kiffy Baby....the gift that keeps on giving. At this juncture I wonder if UT flips the repeat offender provision switch.

tennvolsman19651965 writes:

USC needs to realize that nothing good can come from Kiffin. Take a hint from Al Davis and UT, Kiffin will bring nothing to the table in the end. He is a rodent that USC needs to eradicate before he infests the entire program with more rats.

CharlotteVol writes:

We can only hope this does not re-open the NCAA investigation. I wonder how much longer it is going to take for all the violations of the Kiffin era to surface...

BrassMonkey writes:

Its good to keep a slew of things like this in our back pocket. The more we have the more excuses Doolittle can make over the years for why he can't field a team that can run the ball, play special teams, or win a game against a big time opponent. Then he can sport around in his orange party pants and fly to New York every weekend to give cute little quotes on national TV that we all heard the week before in local media. No wonder he does not want the SEC to expand. He can barely beat any of the teams that are hear now.

rockytopcowboy writes:

in response to BrassMonkey:

Its good to keep a slew of things like this in our back pocket. The more we have the more excuses Doolittle can make over the years for why he can't field a team that can run the ball, play special teams, or win a game against a big time opponent. Then he can sport around in his orange party pants and fly to New York every weekend to give cute little quotes on national TV that we all heard the week before in local media. No wonder he does not want the SEC to expand. He can barely beat any of the teams that are hear now.

_n]nn

JethroBodine1980 writes:

Please go back and re-read all the postings from UT fans after the hiring of Lane and how he was the second coming of Gen. Neyland. Boy, was we all suckered into drinking the Kool-Aid.

Classof72 writes:

The interesting question is: "Where did Garza get the $1500?"

Huttdawg100 writes:

in response to CCLC:

Kiffy Baby....the gift that keeps on giving. At this juncture I wonder if UT flips the repeat offender provision switch.

Rucker tweeted that since it happened before the initial probe, it shouldn't lead to a repeat offender charge. I think this will only hurt us if our people lie about it. As long as they're honest and cooperative, we'll be ok because of Blackburn.

MGVOL22 writes:

in response to PatientlyWaiting:

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FACTS are that you are an idiot.... You are telling me that Kiffin the head coach didn't know about this? The same coach that sent the girls to SC high school football game? Also, if Garza got canned as you say at USC for "cheating" why didn't they say that? He got "canned" because Kiffin had to fire him, I promise you he didn't want to....he resigned under personal issues. When Kiffin was the coach the Vols were 7-6, really great team dumb***. Dooley will be just fine, he is a great coach.

Also the fact that you say hillbillies and third grade education just explains who you are.... A nobody.

MGVOL22 writes:

in response to BrassMonkey:

Its good to keep a slew of things like this in our back pocket. The more we have the more excuses Doolittle can make over the years for why he can't field a team that can run the ball, play special teams, or win a game against a big time opponent. Then he can sport around in his orange party pants and fly to New York every weekend to give cute little quotes on national TV that we all heard the week before in local media. No wonder he does not want the SEC to expand. He can barely beat any of the teams that are hear now.

Its obvious that your friend "Patientlywaiting" is doing just that....waiting for you to jump into bed together.

If you are not a Vols fan, then I question why you are even on this site....I have said that many times.....Are you some dumb*** 40yr old seeking attention because your wife, if you are even lucky enough to have one, won't give you any? Or are you a 12yr old who just wants some attention....Maybe you are one in the same.

underthehill writes:

in response to Classof72:

The interesting question is: "Where did Garza get the $1500?"

Think it may not have been his money or his idea? Think this is the first time any school done this?
Someone needs to wake up and make the rules reasonable, fair for all, BUSINESSLIKE, and enforceable...

volfan8#549730 writes:

in response to BrassMonkey:

Its good to keep a slew of things like this in our back pocket. The more we have the more excuses Doolittle can make over the years for why he can't field a team that can run the ball, play special teams, or win a game against a big time opponent. Then he can sport around in his orange party pants and fly to New York every weekend to give cute little quotes on national TV that we all heard the week before in local media. No wonder he does not want the SEC to expand. He can barely beat any of the teams that are hear now.

<yawn>

CCLC writes:

in response to underthehill:

Think it may not have been his money or his idea? Think this is the first time any school done this?
Someone needs to wake up and make the rules reasonable, fair for all, BUSINESSLIKE, and enforceable...

So your reasoning here is: nothing to see here ... since everyone is doing it. Sounds like some of the excuses my kids have given me. You don't break rules and then asked that they be changed or ignored. You change them so that you aren't breaking them any longer. Do you see what I did there?

Orangeblood13 writes:

Good grief jethfro and don you two need a room not a website

Tenn will be back get your digs now garbage pickers

mbible1utk#324980 writes:

Moderately off subject, but check out the video in this link...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/bl...

The Bryce Treggs kid is a soft commit to California, but we haven't even TRIED for him. But not stopping at that, look into the Jake Maulhardt kid that the article is about (and he's in the video too). He's rated as a 3 star receiver, but watch him fight for the ball against Devian Shelton in the video. A 6'7 190 lb wide receiver who at that weight can play physical with the corners, and make catches that nice..... and he is YET to get a scholarship offer.... I will grant that he is the 148th rated wide receiver, but I would think this might be an instance where one might suggest he could be a diamond in the rough for somebody. It'd be nice to see Tennessee put out an offer for this guy.

HtownVol writes:

Man Kiffin really is a P.O.S.. There is a reason he signs highly recruited players. He will do ANYTHING it takes!

CDD I can say with no doubt that he does it the right way. Kiffin signed a top 10 class whice as of right now would not be a top 50 class after all the failures and CDD signs 2 top 15 classes and those players are still here other than Pat Martin. Also, no trouble follows CDD's recruiting.

Off Topic, Anyone think ESPN kissed UF in the rear as much as possible?

How in the blank is UF #3 in the SEC power rankings? Tennessee is #7

With Hunter UT is even at least with UF, now take away ONE player from UF and the Gators are not close to UT. Even with that little speedster UF is NOT that good!

Maybe the SEC other than Bama and LSU is really down this season??? I just do NOT see UF at #3 and UT #7 when UF wins at home by ten without UTs best player.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id...

mbible1utk#324980 writes:

in response to mbible1utk#324980:

Moderately off subject, but check out the video in this link...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/bl...

The Bryce Treggs kid is a soft commit to California, but we haven't even TRIED for him. But not stopping at that, look into the Jake Maulhardt kid that the article is about (and he's in the video too). He's rated as a 3 star receiver, but watch him fight for the ball against Devian Shelton in the video. A 6'7 190 lb wide receiver who at that weight can play physical with the corners, and make catches that nice..... and he is YET to get a scholarship offer.... I will grant that he is the 148th rated wide receiver, but I would think this might be an instance where one might suggest he could be a diamond in the rough for somebody. It'd be nice to see Tennessee put out an offer for this guy.

looking at this kid, he reminds me of a Jeff Samardzija at Notre Dame type of receiver.

ProfessionalHandicapper writes:

in response to CarlChilders:

...and I really enjoyed hearing Bob Davies blast USC for a lack of emotion in the ASU game last Saturday. He basically said this wasn't a Pete Carroll team.

Most teams on probation with no goal in sight play with less emotion. Carroll is the one who caused the probation for USC so once again Bob Davies shows hes an idiot.

MusicCityVol writes:

Ridiculous. I bet Derek Dooley is furious. This is a really bad deal. Willie Mack needs his own death penalty.

SEC Doesn't Need to Hurry in Search for 14th Member
http://www.checkerboardchatter.com/20...

maciste54 writes:

in response to PatientlyWaiting:

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The FACTS are : You're a freakin' idiot !

tennvolsman19651965 writes:

in response to MrDonCorleone:

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Wow! I may lose support from some of my fellow Vols fans, but great post. At least someone else sees where the blame really lies in the mess we have right now.

lomas98 writes:

in response to HtownVol:

Man Kiffin really is a P.O.S.. There is a reason he signs highly recruited players. He will do ANYTHING it takes!

CDD I can say with no doubt that he does it the right way. Kiffin signed a top 10 class whice as of right now would not be a top 50 class after all the failures and CDD signs 2 top 15 classes and those players are still here other than Pat Martin. Also, no trouble follows CDD's recruiting.

Off Topic, Anyone think ESPN kissed UF in the rear as much as possible?

How in the blank is UF #3 in the SEC power rankings? Tennessee is #7

With Hunter UT is even at least with UF, now take away ONE player from UF and the Gators are not close to UT. Even with that little speedster UF is NOT that good!

Maybe the SEC other than Bama and LSU is really down this season??? I just do NOT see UF at #3 and UT #7 when UF wins at home by ten without UTs best player.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id...

Who else would you put at #3 in the SEC? FL is 2-0. I am a TN alum but I am not blind to the fact that FL beat TN again for 7 in a row. I am tired of hearing how FL is not that good. They have beat us 7 in a row. If they are not that good, than why can't TN beat them. You can take one player away from any team and it change their whole dynamic and right now Hunter is out and FL doesn't have anybody out. Those rankings are based on how teams are playing and FL just rolled KY and it wasn't even close. When was the last time we played KY and the outcome was decided by halftime? I think before the season started TN was 9 in most SEC rankings so 7 is a little better. They can earn their way up the rankings by actually winning games against better teams. Lets see what happens against GA.

illinoisvolfan writes:

in response to JethroBodine1980:

Please go back and re-read all the postings from UT fans after the hiring of Lane and how he was the second coming of Gen. Neyland. Boy, was we all suckered into drinking the Kool-Aid.

The stuff in that Kool-Aid left a horrible aftertaste and lingering effects much worse than any hangover.

lomas98 writes:

The NCAA was snooping around campus what seemed like for 10 years and they didn't find this issue then? When can I start getting on this website and finally not have to see NCAA investigations? Welcome to TN, Mr. Dave Hart. Also how does another potential violation not meen repeat offender?

barefoot43 writes:

in response to PatientlyWaiting:

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I wonder what compensation Garza is getting from USC or Kiffin? Since he is no longer working at a NCAA institution he does not have to talk with the NCAA.

I think most people think that puppies are cute and cuddly. But a lot of times those dogs grow up to be a nuisance. Kiffin has grown to be a nuisance. Time will tell, but I have a feeling that USC will feel the same way in a very short time. I would not be surprised if this is not the last year for Kiffin at USC - just hearing things from LA.

Why do you hate UT so much? I loved Coach Fulmer but I wished that he had left on his own accord a year or two earlier. I liked Coach Majors but he should have left also on his own. Coach Dooley will make his legacy by himself without any help from people like you. I just don't understand why you have the opinion you have of Coach Dooley. It is obvious you don't know him and it is more obvious that you really don't understand one iota about football - college or otherwise. You have an agenda but are foolish in your drivel you so often spew between your many screen names. I do wonder if you are an employee of KNS attempting to prop up the hits. Are you?

FearTheVols1252 writes:

in response to PatientlyWaiting:

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Hey genius... it's called accountability. Garza worked for Kiffin. Kiffin is ultimately responsible for his own staff. Whether or not Kiffin 'knew' about it is irrelevant. End of story.

springtx_vol writes:

I have two opinions on this topic, neither dealing with Garza:

1. The NCAA needs to issue a show cause sanction against Lyles, any school that wishes to associate with him needs to identify why. He appears to be flaunting the rules against the NCAA. This is especially true with his statement. "Lyles told the website he agreed to speak to NCAA investigators on condition they granted Seastrunk immunity from any penalties associated with this incident."

2. The NCAA needs to take a student athlete guilty of accepting these improper benefits (not I did not say illegal) and void their NCAA eligibility. I would take the time to send a short letter to every high school athletic program (or maybe to every state high school association with a few dollars to forward to every high school) that outlines a few of the more common benefits that would impact college eligibility. The kids (and their parents) are going to have to be made responsible for their behavior also.

allvols4life writes:

in response to springtx_vol:

I have two opinions on this topic, neither dealing with Garza:

1. The NCAA needs to issue a show cause sanction against Lyles, any school that wishes to associate with him needs to identify why. He appears to be flaunting the rules against the NCAA. This is especially true with his statement. "Lyles told the website he agreed to speak to NCAA investigators on condition they granted Seastrunk immunity from any penalties associated with this incident."

2. The NCAA needs to take a student athlete guilty of accepting these improper benefits (not I did not say illegal) and void their NCAA eligibility. I would take the time to send a short letter to every high school athletic program (or maybe to every state high school association with a few dollars to forward to every high school) that outlines a few of the more common benefits that would impact college eligibility. The kids (and their parents) are going to have to be made responsible for their behavior also.

Make kids and parents responsible for their behavior also? Are you serious? You can't do that. In case you are wondering, I am being sarcastic. As one that works with youth everyday, this is one of my biggest complaints. We never hold the students or their parents responsible for anything. It's always someone's fault other than the student. I agree with you 100%. The student athletes that accept the improper benefits should be penalized as well. Lyles should not be able to bargain a deal for Seastrunk. He is holding the NCAA hostage.

CCLC writes:

Kiffen contemplates career change....Likes what CDD did.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6165/6...

us43137415#376444 writes:

Kiffen and his people were so crooked..

Actually, I think they did what they did on purpose.. just to screw Tennessee up. He probably knew all along that he was leaving.. that's why he and his crew did their damage so quickly.

At least, we don't have him and his fellow jackasses to deal with..

As far as this "Seastunk" character, funny how he got to Oregon and they saw that he was damaged goods. They dropped him like a hot potato. He'll be another thug in a year or two.. he's probably got a Ferrari by now.

orangeman1 writes:

in response to FearTheVols1252:

Hey genius... it's called accountability. Garza worked for Kiffin. Kiffin is ultimately responsible for his own staff. Whether or not Kiffin 'knew' about it is irrelevant. End of story.

Actually thats not the end of story. You left out who was responsible for Kiffin. UT.

mtthw741 writes:

As a Tn fan I genuinely appreciate all of the concern that the Fla fans, with nothing else in their lives, have for the state of our program. I hated to lose to them again but that was ten days ago and now I'm looking forward to supporting my team on Saturdays for the rest of the year like I've done every year win or lose. And the rest of the week I work and interact with human beings go home to my wife and kids; what some would refer to as having a life. No hours in moms basement harassing other fans on their local papers article comments. Is that going to be on your tombstone? Here lies Bubba aka the real orange. Devoted Gator and wearer of cutoff denim. He loved comment about ut's practice reports as well as spending countless hours researching Tennessee football. Are you, as a supposed gator fan, at all worried about that butt kicking you have coming to town this weekend?

Packer_Park_Orange (Inactive) writes:

in response to BrassMonkey:

Its good to keep a slew of things like this in our back pocket. The more we have the more excuses Doolittle can make over the years for why he can't field a team that can run the ball, play special teams, or win a game against a big time opponent. Then he can sport around in his orange party pants and fly to New York every weekend to give cute little quotes on national TV that we all heard the week before in local media. No wonder he does not want the SEC to expand. He can barely beat any of the teams that are hear now.

Truer words were never spoken...Dooley and his Dooleyphiles will use every excuse to deny his ineptitude...This will be used as an uncertainty excuse when this years recruiting class comes in...All the while trying to turn wins over Martin, Buffalo, Montana, UAB, Memphis, MTSU (maybe) into signature wins...Don't know why they bash Vandy and Ky. when they're the only SEC schools he beats...Then they ignore the fact that other coaches have had it much worse and turned programs around in their 2nd year....Pathetic for an alum and life-long Vol to watch. We're quickly becoming the Indiana of the SEC.

VolunteerTitan writes:

The worst thing about hiring Kiffin...We still would have had Chavis as DC. No other HC would have given up that good of a DC up (Look at the stats, Monte can't compare to Chavis even durring the bad years under Fulmer). Watching LSU's defense reminds me of UT's Defense of the late 90's...Speed and Power.

The best thing about Kiffin...He was only here for one year!!! If he stayed any longer we could have been the Miami of the SEC... on probation forever!! Look at the damage he and his staff did in one year.

Orange_Scooter writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

Truer words were never spoken...Dooley and his Dooleyphiles will use every excuse to deny his ineptitude...This will be used as an uncertainty excuse when this years recruiting class comes in...All the while trying to turn wins over Martin, Buffalo, Montana, UAB, Memphis, MTSU (maybe) into signature wins...Don't know why they bash Vandy and Ky. when they're the only SEC schools he beats...Then they ignore the fact that other coaches have had it much worse and turned programs around in their 2nd year....Pathetic for an alum and life-long Vol to watch. We're quickly becoming the Indiana of the SEC.

LMAO... Phil's disciple speaks. Didn't you threaten someone to meet you? LMAO. *sigh* like all the other alts you have... Precious, Bodeanevol, Cantcompare, and whaatever alt you've created... oh, wait, where is CantStandSaban? I miss that one. Hey everbody, I am a handicapper in Nashville... blah, blah, blah.... I know wiseguys.... lmao... too damn funny.

tennvolsman19651965 writes:

in response to VolunteerTitan:

The worst thing about hiring Kiffin...We still would have had Chavis as DC. No other HC would have given up that good of a DC up (Look at the stats, Monte can't compare to Chavis even durring the bad years under Fulmer). Watching LSU's defense reminds me of UT's Defense of the late 90's...Speed and Power.

The best thing about Kiffin...He was only here for one year!!! If he stayed any longer we could have been the Miami of the SEC... on probation forever!! Look at the damage he and his staff did in one year.

No doubt. The Chief was the bomb. I still wish Hamilton would have kept Chavis and brought Cutcliffe and family back to Knoxville instead of Kiffin. We would all be talking a different tune these days if that would have happened.

Packer_Park_Orange (Inactive) writes:

in response to tennvolsman19651965:

No doubt. The Chief was the bomb. I still wish Hamilton would have kept Chavis and brought Cutcliffe and family back to Knoxville instead of Kiffin. We would all be talking a different tune these days if that would have happened.

Oh yes...David Cutcliffe...A man who's gone a whopping 58-55 since being given the keys to his own shop...Then again Dooleyphiles might love it... A .500 record is better than we can expect with Doolittle the genius.

allvols4life writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

Truer words were never spoken...Dooley and his Dooleyphiles will use every excuse to deny his ineptitude...This will be used as an uncertainty excuse when this years recruiting class comes in...All the while trying to turn wins over Martin, Buffalo, Montana, UAB, Memphis, MTSU (maybe) into signature wins...Don't know why they bash Vandy and Ky. when they're the only SEC schools he beats...Then they ignore the fact that other coaches have had it much worse and turned programs around in their 2nd year....Pathetic for an alum and life-long Vol to watch. We're quickly becoming the Indiana of the SEC.

Oh look...the resident clown...I mean resident troll is responding to himself again. Please give us some proof of the coaches that have had it worse and turned the program around in the 2nd year. I want to hear your logic behind that statement. I am waiting.

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STstatefarmVOLS writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

Truer words were never spoken...Dooley and his Dooleyphiles will use every excuse to deny his ineptitude...This will be used as an uncertainty excuse when this years recruiting class comes in...All the while trying to turn wins over Martin, Buffalo, Montana, UAB, Memphis, MTSU (maybe) into signature wins...Don't know why they bash Vandy and Ky. when they're the only SEC schools he beats...Then they ignore the fact that other coaches have had it much worse and turned programs around in their 2nd year....Pathetic for an alum and life-long Vol to watch. We're quickly becoming the Indiana of the SEC.

This years recruiting class will be just fine. Dooley will have the players that "HE" wants and thank the Lord you have nothing to do with that....Also, where are these posts you speak of where ANYONE has stated that the Martin, Buffalo, Montana, UAB, Memphis, and MTSU wins were signature wins?? I am on here quite a bit and I haven't seen one comment that said that?? Also, WHO is basing UK and Vandy?? And who are these coaches that have had it much worse and turned programs around in their second year?? Speaking of pathetic, is that your middle name?

allvols4life writes:

in response to STstatefarmVOLS:

This years recruiting class will be just fine. Dooley will have the players that "HE" wants and thank the Lord you have nothing to do with that....Also, where are these posts you speak of where ANYONE has stated that the Martin, Buffalo, Montana, UAB, Memphis, and MTSU wins were signature wins?? I am on here quite a bit and I haven't seen one comment that said that?? Also, WHO is basing UK and Vandy?? And who are these coaches that have had it much worse and turned programs around in their second year?? Speaking of pathetic, is that your middle name?

We can ask this person all kinds of questions that he/she will avoid. I asked the same question above about coaches having it worse. This person chooses to spew nonsense and tries to stir the pot against Coach Dooley.

hueypilot writes:

Lyles will sing like a canary on several programs. Wouldn't be surprised if he had an accident sometime in the near future.

Soon, the man indirectly responsible for Lane Kiffin's leaving will be out of work. Jack Del Rio walked into Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver's office for his performance review with a faxed contract offer from USC tucked in his back pocket a couple of years ago. If Weaver would fire him, Del Rio could pick up the several million dollars difference between his NFL salary and the USC offer and he would be "made whole" as the union pukes like to say. But Wayne isn't stupid. Not a good NFL owner, but not a dodo, an didn't take the bait, Del Rio stayed in Jacksonville, and now USC, not wanting to look like Tennessee when we hired Kiffin, or Alabama when they lost Franchione, had to jump quick on someone who wouldn't turn them down.

So I guess we owe a big thanks to Jack otherwise we could be looking at a Miami-like set of sanctions.

Packer_Park_Orange (Inactive) writes:

in response to allvols4life:

Oh look...the resident clown...I mean resident troll is responding to himself again. Please give us some proof of the coaches that have had it worse and turned the program around in the 2nd year. I want to hear your logic behind that statement. I am waiting.

You want proof that all this "we're too young", it takes 3 years, Dooley inherited the worst mess nonsense is just that...How bout our own back yard.

In 1964 Doug Dickey took over as coach of UT..He followed a coach who had run the program into the ground (Bowden Wyatt)...much worse than Fulmer left...Like Kiffin, in 1963 there had been a 1 year interim... Jim McDonald..Unlike Kiffin, McDonald did nothing...Refused to scrap the Single Wing...sending Tennessee natives Steve Spurrier and Steve Sloan to Florida and Alabama.

In 1965, Dickey's 2nd year he had a team with more "youth and inexperience" than Dooley's.

In 1965, Dickey in his 2nd year, faced off against 5 coaches with national championships under their belts...Bear Bryant, Johnny Vaught, Paul Dietzel, Shug Jordan, and Bobby Dodd.

In 1965, Dickey in his 2nd year faced off against 5 coaches now in the College Football Hall of Fame...Bryant, Dodd, Vaught, Jordan and Tommy Prothro.

In 1965, Dickey, in his 2nd year didn't play 4 cupcakes like Dooley...His non conference schedule included 7th ranked Ga. Tech and 4th ranked UCLA...which featured future Heisman winner Gary Beban and defeated national cochampion Michigan State in The Rose Bowl.

In 1965, Dickey, in his 2nd year man-upped against ranked teams...Beating 4th ranked UCLA, beating 7th ranked Ga Tech, tying #1 Alabama (the other national co-champ) in Birmingham, and whipping a nationally ranked Kentucky team.

The SEC in 1965, Dickey's 2nd year, was tougher than today...Of 11 teams, 7 finished in the top 20 (not 25)...Alabama (national champions), Ole Miss, Georgia, Kentucky, Florida, LSU and...Oh yes...Tennessee.

In 1965, Dickey's 2nd year, his "youthful and inexperienced" starting sophomore quarterback went down with a midseason injury...to be replaced with another "youthful and inexperienced" sophomore quarterback.

In 1965, Dickey's 2nd year, during the middle of the season..3 of Dickey's top assistants were killed in a train wreck.

Throughout all of this "mess that he inherited", a brutal schedule, injuries to his top players, losing his staff...all Dickey did in his 2nd year was lose 1 game, tie the national champions (on their turf) and finish ranked 7th in the nation.

Now...let the Dooley excuses continue...But don't ever say it can't be done in his 2nd year...And don't call what we're watching, with Dooley, Tennessee Football.

allvols4life writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

You want proof that all this "we're too young", it takes 3 years, Dooley inherited the worst mess nonsense is just that...How bout our own back yard.

In 1964 Doug Dickey took over as coach of UT..He followed a coach who had run the program into the ground (Bowden Wyatt)...much worse than Fulmer left...Like Kiffin, in 1963 there had been a 1 year interim... Jim McDonald..Unlike Kiffin, McDonald did nothing...Refused to scrap the Single Wing...sending Tennessee natives Steve Spurrier and Steve Sloan to Florida and Alabama.

In 1965, Dickey's 2nd year he had a team with more "youth and inexperience" than Dooley's.

In 1965, Dickey in his 2nd year, faced off against 5 coaches with national championships under their belts...Bear Bryant, Johnny Vaught, Paul Dietzel, Shug Jordan, and Bobby Dodd.

In 1965, Dickey in his 2nd year faced off against 5 coaches now in the College Football Hall of Fame...Bryant, Dodd, Vaught, Jordan and Tommy Prothro.

In 1965, Dickey, in his 2nd year didn't play 4 cupcakes like Dooley...His non conference schedule included 7th ranked Ga. Tech and 4th ranked UCLA...which featured future Heisman winner Gary Beban and defeated national cochampion Michigan State in The Rose Bowl.

In 1965, Dickey, in his 2nd year man-upped against ranked teams...Beating 4th ranked UCLA, beating 7th ranked Ga Tech, tying #1 Alabama (the other national co-champ) in Birmingham, and whipping a nationally ranked Kentucky team.

The SEC in 1965, Dickey's 2nd year, was tougher than today...Of 11 teams, 7 finished in the top 20 (not 25)...Alabama (national champions), Ole Miss, Georgia, Kentucky, Florida, LSU and...Oh yes...Tennessee.

In 1965, Dickey's 2nd year, his "youthful and inexperienced" starting sophomore quarterback went down with a midseason injury...to be replaced with another "youthful and inexperienced" sophomore quarterback.

In 1965, Dickey's 2nd year, during the middle of the season..3 of Dickey's top assistants were killed in a train wreck.

Throughout all of this "mess that he inherited", a brutal schedule, injuries to his top players, losing his staff...all Dickey did in his 2nd year was lose 1 game, tie the national champions (on their turf) and finish ranked 7th in the nation.

Now...let the Dooley excuses continue...But don't ever say it can't be done in his 2nd year...And don't call what we're watching, with Dooley, Tennessee Football.

So...wheres the proof that Wyatt had ran the program into the ground worse than Fulmer? Also, that pathetic 1963 team that you talk about went 5-5. Thats about the same level as Kiffin's one year here. I want more proof. How was the 1965 team more youthful and inexperienced. Is that your opinion or fact? I am not saying that Dooley is the next Joe Paterno or even Phil Fulmer (just for you). I am saying that he deserves a chance to turn around what the above mentioned Fulmer left him. You are not giving him that chance and thats fine. Its a free country and you have every right to disapprove of MY coach. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and allow him the time he needs to pull the program out of the ditches that Fulmer had driven it into.

Voloyalty writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

You want proof that all this "we're too young", it takes 3 years, Dooley inherited the worst mess nonsense is just that...How bout our own back yard.

In 1964 Doug Dickey took over as coach of UT..He followed a coach who had run the program into the ground (Bowden Wyatt)...much worse than Fulmer left...Like Kiffin, in 1963 there had been a 1 year interim... Jim McDonald..Unlike Kiffin, McDonald did nothing...Refused to scrap the Single Wing...sending Tennessee natives Steve Spurrier and Steve Sloan to Florida and Alabama.

In 1965, Dickey's 2nd year he had a team with more "youth and inexperience" than Dooley's.

In 1965, Dickey in his 2nd year, faced off against 5 coaches with national championships under their belts...Bear Bryant, Johnny Vaught, Paul Dietzel, Shug Jordan, and Bobby Dodd.

In 1965, Dickey in his 2nd year faced off against 5 coaches now in the College Football Hall of Fame...Bryant, Dodd, Vaught, Jordan and Tommy Prothro.

In 1965, Dickey, in his 2nd year didn't play 4 cupcakes like Dooley...His non conference schedule included 7th ranked Ga. Tech and 4th ranked UCLA...which featured future Heisman winner Gary Beban and defeated national cochampion Michigan State in The Rose Bowl.

In 1965, Dickey, in his 2nd year man-upped against ranked teams...Beating 4th ranked UCLA, beating 7th ranked Ga Tech, tying #1 Alabama (the other national co-champ) in Birmingham, and whipping a nationally ranked Kentucky team.

The SEC in 1965, Dickey's 2nd year, was tougher than today...Of 11 teams, 7 finished in the top 20 (not 25)...Alabama (national champions), Ole Miss, Georgia, Kentucky, Florida, LSU and...Oh yes...Tennessee.

In 1965, Dickey's 2nd year, his "youthful and inexperienced" starting sophomore quarterback went down with a midseason injury...to be replaced with another "youthful and inexperienced" sophomore quarterback.

In 1965, Dickey's 2nd year, during the middle of the season..3 of Dickey's top assistants were killed in a train wreck.

Throughout all of this "mess that he inherited", a brutal schedule, injuries to his top players, losing his staff...all Dickey did in his 2nd year was lose 1 game, tie the national champions (on their turf) and finish ranked 7th in the nation.

Now...let the Dooley excuses continue...But don't ever say it can't be done in his 2nd year...And don't call what we're watching, with Dooley, Tennessee Football.

In 2008, Tennessee lost to Wyoming. Let's try to stay a little more relevant. Things have changed quite a bit in college football since they started wearing helmets.

MGVOL22 writes:

in response to Packer_Park_Orange:

You want proof that all this "we're too young", it takes 3 years, Dooley inherited the worst mess nonsense is just that...How bout our own back yard.

In 1964 Doug Dickey took over as coach of UT..He followed a coach who had run the program into the ground (Bowden Wyatt)...much worse than Fulmer left...Like Kiffin, in 1963 there had been a 1 year interim... Jim McDonald..Unlike Kiffin, McDonald did nothing...Refused to scrap the Single Wing...sending Tennessee natives Steve Spurrier and Steve Sloan to Florida and Alabama.

In 1965, Dickey's 2nd year he had a team with more "youth and inexperience" than Dooley's.

In 1965, Dickey in his 2nd year, faced off against 5 coaches with national championships under their belts...Bear Bryant, Johnny Vaught, Paul Dietzel, Shug Jordan, and Bobby Dodd.

In 1965, Dickey in his 2nd year faced off against 5 coaches now in the College Football Hall of Fame...Bryant, Dodd, Vaught, Jordan and Tommy Prothro.

In 1965, Dickey, in his 2nd year didn't play 4 cupcakes like Dooley...His non conference schedule included 7th ranked Ga. Tech and 4th ranked UCLA...which featured future Heisman winner Gary Beban and defeated national cochampion Michigan State in The Rose Bowl.

In 1965, Dickey, in his 2nd year man-upped against ranked teams...Beating 4th ranked UCLA, beating 7th ranked Ga Tech, tying #1 Alabama (the other national co-champ) in Birmingham, and whipping a nationally ranked Kentucky team.

The SEC in 1965, Dickey's 2nd year, was tougher than today...Of 11 teams, 7 finished in the top 20 (not 25)...Alabama (national champions), Ole Miss, Georgia, Kentucky, Florida, LSU and...Oh yes...Tennessee.

In 1965, Dickey's 2nd year, his "youthful and inexperienced" starting sophomore quarterback went down with a midseason injury...to be replaced with another "youthful and inexperienced" sophomore quarterback.

In 1965, Dickey's 2nd year, during the middle of the season..3 of Dickey's top assistants were killed in a train wreck.

Throughout all of this "mess that he inherited", a brutal schedule, injuries to his top players, losing his staff...all Dickey did in his 2nd year was lose 1 game, tie the national champions (on their turf) and finish ranked 7th in the nation.

Now...let the Dooley excuses continue...But don't ever say it can't be done in his 2nd year...And don't call what we're watching, with Dooley, Tennessee Football.

Saw on another post that you said you went to UT, that you lived in Gibbs Hall...Also you stated that you received cars, basically saying that were a high profile Tennessee football player....Well I would like to call complete BS on that because TRUE VOLS don't trash their school....Basically thats all I have to say to you.

Central_IL_Vol writes:

in response to MrDonCorleone:

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Why don't you crawl back in the swamp with the other bottom-feeder Gator fans. Florida fans are becoming increasingly as rotten as Bammer fans when it comes to lack of class. Florida fans are just slightly above the Bammer Morons. Go back to the swamp sites and stay out of here!

I wish there were still ties where I could hope for one in the Bammer-Florida game; but I guess I will choose the lesser of two evils and pull for the, gulp, Gators!

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