Numbers don't tell whole story for Tyler Bray

Tennessee's quarterback Tyler Bray (8) throws to a receiver in the second quarter of an NCAA college football game against Vanderbilt on Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011, in Knoxville, Tenn. (AP Photo/Wade Payne)

Tennessee's quarterback Tyler Bray (8) throws to a receiver in the second quarter of an NCAA college football game against Vanderbilt on Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011, in Knoxville, Tenn. (AP Photo/Wade Payne)

Tyler Bray on spring practice and his improvement at QB

Pretty numbers might be nice to look at, but they're not a requirement for Jim Chaney.

The Tennessee offensive coordinator likes to experiment in scrimmages, testing out different routes, throwing the ball deep and seeing what works best for his quarterback.

That can lead to some unattractive looking statistics in the spring, though perhaps that wasn't the sole reason for a few ugly outings for Tyler Bray during camp a year ago. But regardless of what goes in the box score from the first scrimmage of camp this morning at Neyland Stadium, the intangibles the junior starter plays with figure to be more important for the Vols.

"Quite honestly, we would have liked for him to have performed better last fall and last spring, and he seems a lot more mature and a lot more driven than he ever has," Chaney said during his media session on Wednesday. "I just want him to go out there and be the best football player he can be. He plays the quarterback spot, so he has to have a little bit more control of the offense, and I think he does.

"As far as all the numbers and things, I'm trying things in spring football that we might not do, but when else do you look at them? I might throw three Deep-seven Shake routes with him. If you throw those at 1-out-of-3, you're damn lucky. You guys see 33 percent and go, 'My God, he's horrible.' "

Despite some uneven results during the first two scrimmages at this time last year, it wasn't

the numbers released from those closed workouts that seemed to generate a couple questions about his development heading into his sophomore season. Even if the numbers didn't count, it was Bray's 5-of-30, 122-yard outing in the Orange and White Game that stirred questions about his maturity and willingness to embrace competition every time he stepped on the field.

But the reviews from the winter conditioning program and six practices so far have been positive, and he has a prime opportunity to back it up as the Vols near the midway point of spring.

"I think what you're talking about is maturity," Chaney said. "You noticed that with Tyler, I noticed that with a lot of our kids — I see the maturity of our offense being a little greater right now. They seem more driven, more focused to work on details and I think they understand that they feel like they're going to be good, but they also now understand that they've got to go to work.

"Every day we're coming out here and competing, and every day (Bray) has got to show his maturity and his right to earn the spot to be our quarterback. Every day he's got to earn that."

The Vols have two young quarterbacks pushing him now, with both sophomore Justin Worley and early enrollee Nathan Peterman drawing praise from the coaching staff and giving them some depth under center.

Bray is the clear favorite at the top of the depth chart after piling up some gaudy numbers when healthy in games that actually count during his two seasons with the program. And while his progress could easily continue without the benefit of eye-catching stats in scrimmages, Chaney said he wouldn't mind trying the alternative this time.

"Everybody says things like that, that you learn through some of the bad things that take place," Chaney said. "I think it's possible to learn through good things.

"I'd much rather have him throw 75 percent last year and learn a lot of lessons that way instead of what took place."

Austin Ward covers Tennessee football. Follow him at http://twitter.com/Vols_Beat and http://blogs.knoxnews.com/ward

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SevenT writes:

After TB's subpar performance last year in Lexington I must say..."bring it Tyler"...after all we will counter with a Wide Receiver at QB.

CoverOrange writes:

So now we know, it takes three minutes to log out and relogin under an alternate troll screen name and make another pithy post.

voloffaith writes:

Sad the site POLICE don't see as defamatory or abusive when someone takes an individuals name and disrespects it so blatantly. So "moron" is acceptable when attached to the Coaches name? Does that make his mother Mrs. Mor....you get the picture? Mer lot is always disrespectful and gets a free pass again and again...staff member?

On topic, Mr. Bray is entering his junior year so there should be signs of increased maturity. All three initial comments are from those of the negative persuasion. That is allowed,but two continually bust the user agreement and they just keep on keepin on with site police pass. Nuff said...feel sorry for them....do you guys look forward to Easter? Does the resurrection do anything for you? Not evidenced by how you disparage others so easily....sacrifice was made so sinners would not have to spend an eternity in a Christless hell,but they could know joy unspeakable from a forgiven,reconciled position with their judge/creator. Hopefully for many on this site a blessed Easter!

tennrich1 writes:

in response to Sammy_Burklows_Revenge:

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Are you the same sissy that posted first with the Dooleave moniker or are you a "zeke gotta be like meke" lapper? Just wondering for future reference....boy this is too easy!!!

givehim6 writes:

5 post, no optimism at all. A few saying as long as CDD is coach Bray and UT are doomed, wow you all would make mary poppons hang her self, sorry about the spell, my checker does not do names. I hope a year under Bray's belt was good for Bray and the UK loose let him know if you do not play well you lose.

lemme_axya_this writes:

I'm pretty sure that Bray was Kiffins number 4 choice as a QB prospect. Nick Montana, Jake Heaps, and Jesse Scroggins all turned him down. Bray's only offer at the time was San Diego State. Point being, if he never becomes a quality SEC QB ,it may be that he just wasn't good enough. If he does become a good one the credit must go to Dooley and Chaney.

BleednUrnge81 writes:

in response to MerlotGoVols:

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Lay off the Merlot, Merlot. Support our boys or hush up. GBO

givehim6 writes:

in response to voloffaith:

Sad the site POLICE don't see as defamatory or abusive when someone takes an individuals name and disrespects it so blatantly. So "moron" is acceptable when attached to the Coaches name? Does that make his mother Mrs. Mor....you get the picture? Mer lot is always disrespectful and gets a free pass again and again...staff member?

On topic, Mr. Bray is entering his junior year so there should be signs of increased maturity. All three initial comments are from those of the negative persuasion. That is allowed,but two continually bust the user agreement and they just keep on keepin on with site police pass. Nuff said...feel sorry for them....do you guys look forward to Easter? Does the resurrection do anything for you? Not evidenced by how you disparage others so easily....sacrifice was made so sinners would not have to spend an eternity in a Christless hell,but they could know joy unspeakable from a forgiven,reconciled position with their judge/creator. Hopefully for many on this site a blessed Easter!

a blessed and happy Easter to you my friend, HE IS RISEN!

RashaadSalabeb writes:

Bray will be fine and the Vols will be fine! Screw all of you naysayers! The Mighty Vols are going to kick some ARSE this year! Yeah, you dang straight they are. I know some of you tinker bells out there think if you keep running them down they will stay down. Ain't going to happen! We will make a serious showing this year! You can count on that!

Rock on you MIGHTY VOLS!!!!!!

voloffaith writes:

in response to MerlotGoVols:

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Didn't say off topic...zip...strike one...I do understand THE TRUTH...zip...strike two...Then you just were DEFAMATORY to me me calling me a "lukewarm liar." zip...STRIKE THREE you're out!!! ladies and gentlmen we now have an opening for a 'salt' inspector....oh btw by their fruit you will know them....while you're strolling back to the dugout ponder this...I ain't spewed as I'm under the blood of Christ!!!

The final judge has declared me innocent as ONE has paid my debt IN FULL!!!!

voloffaith writes:

in response to givehim6:

a blessed and happy Easter to you my friend, HE IS RISEN!

HE IS RISEN INDEED!!! Merl got mad and tried to take me down, but my joy keeper said it was all lies.... TYJ!!!

VolFanInTheBoro (Inactive) writes:

in response to MerlotGoVols:

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Your and Sammy's schtick is getting old

DannyVol writes:

Let me preface the following by saying that I think we have a chance to be surprisingly good this year. That said, as far as quarterbacks are concerned, I don't like the concept of routinely putting guys in impossible situations in practice just for the sake of experimenting and with the idea that it makes "routine" plays easier in games. Frustration has never been a good teaching tool in my humble opinion. That's why in basketball, when a player is in a slump, a good coach almost always tells that player to get to the basket for layups or get to the foul line to build confidence. I realize that attempting difficult throws is sometimes necessary in order to stretch a good defense, but the "layups" are certainly never a given in the heat of battle either. I just personally think that we might be doing a little too much of "let's see what he CAN'T do" instead of challenging Bray to do all the things he does so well at a higher rate.

Orangeblood13 writes:

in response to MerlotGoVols:

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dude can you please just stfu

you like an old granny, nag nag nag nag nag

givehim6 writes:

in response to MerlotGoVols:

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Wrong about what?

decades_vol (Inactive) writes:

Merlot, Seven, and Sammy. You can plug in the names Larry, Moe and Curly for any of these, in any order that you choose. And don't forget Shemp, good old Bodeane. Woop oop oop oop! Boink! Cut it out, will ya?! What a bunch of clowns. That can't see any possibility of Tennessee having a decent season, or to put it more bluntly, they do not care. They obviously want to see UT have a bad year again, so that they can claim to have something relevant to say. This is a very challenged group, a bunch of sad sacks, to be sure, especially when they do not take their happy pills. Add doesitmatter to this mix and you will see cracked faces of stone in their group photo.

thevoice writes:

in response to decades_vol:

Merlot, Seven, and Sammy. You can plug in the names Larry, Moe and Curly for any of these, in any order that you choose. And don't forget Shemp, good old Bodeane. Woop oop oop oop! Boink! Cut it out, will ya?! What a bunch of clowns. That can't see any possibility of Tennessee having a decent season, or to put it more bluntly, they do not care. They obviously want to see UT have a bad year again, so that they can claim to have something relevant to say. This is a very challenged group, a bunch of sad sacks, to be sure, especially when they do not take their happy pills. Add doesitmatter to this mix and you will see cracked faces of stone in their group photo.

Say what you want to about the clowns, but folk like you are seemingly dedicating your effort and attention and falling prey to them every time you reply, acting exactly as they want you to. Isn't it time to grow up and leave the adolescents alone? Not trying to be ugly, just tired of the back and forth, board-clogging, meaningless immature drivel. I know, I should just go to the pay site.

Coach_K writes:

Where were all of these this our coach we will support him no matter what, when we actually had a coach who won us a national championship and won 80% of his games over a 20 yr period? I suspect they are they same ones saying we had become "stale". Lie in your bed and STFU! You called for this. You got it! Now because we have become "spoiled" under the man you love to hate, you feel a need to call all us "Fulmerites" and all the other the bs names you see fit. You call us trolls, I say you are the trolls.

Now when we call for a losing coach, bad p.r. man, and obvious mis-manganger of talent ie:coaches, players, staff, and media, we are the trolls? Wake up and look in the mirror. HE IS THE HEAD COACH, EVERYTHING IS ON HIM! IT'S HIS JOB! Now with that said I realize and understand the situation he came into. I was excited as any1 else when he came in. I thought the Ala game under CLK proved Neyland's maxims to the fullest. Had we had a staff that could teach a block or at least back the kick up three yards, I wouldn't have had to hear it from all the bandwagon "Mount Cody" fans.

When CDD came in he was supposed to be the "teams" guru, it was and I qoute..."gonna be his baby". Ask your self this....have we gotten any better in that phase?

Ask any Ala fan last year, they were worried at the half last year. Ask an LSU fan, same story. A smart man which I beleive CDD is, can come up with a good plan (see the first half of both those games). A good coach ADJUSTS at the half, (see both those games).

What y'all fail to see is...its because I LOVE UT that I want to see us moving in the right direction. Have we gone forward since Phat Phil? POINT BLANK NO! Why wait? To keep from having turnover? uhh hello...we had almost complete turnover THIS year! Why do you defend a loser when you were and ARE so willing to dis a tru VFL...fan, player, asst coach, oc, head coach?

TheVolSnake writes:

The Past: I remember two years ago at this time and up to the middle of the season a lot of “So Called” Vol fans wanted Bray to play. I had posted several times first of all he was 6’6” and 180 pounds and didn’t have the experience and the last thing you would want to do is put a young QB in a situation where he would have been hurt or lose complete confidence, also at that time we had mostly a freshman from line. Then when the schedule lessened he played and played well.

Last year he played very well and till he was injured lead the SEC in passing yards, but has a problem of play action and reading some of the best defenses in the nation (as did most QB’s) only once in a while does about every 10 year or so a P. Manning come in that can read defenses from the start. Most QBs don’t understand how to fully read defenses till Jr. or Sr. year.

Now: Bray has 2 years of learning behind him and has a ton of experience he will be much better at reading the defenses, I am fairly sure that the coaches have been working with him on play action. He has some of if not the best receivers in the country (Hunter, D. Rodgers, Howard, Groom, Bowles, Patterson, Dallas, Rivera, Downs, Clear and Z Rodgers) has running backs that are fast and can catch the ball. He has a mostly Jr. O. Line and will be much improved this year both Pass blocking and Run blocking.

All this being said we should lead the SEC if not the nation on offence, our passing game should be lights out. Our offence should be very explosive this year and will be very fun to watch.

From all I have read on the net our defense is showing great promise and has the ability to be dominating.

This is Brays third year he is still learning so for all you nay sayers wait till you see the Vol’s this year and you will see a dramatic improvement.

Go Vol's

TheVolSnake writes:

in response to Salma_Hayek_is_my_Wife:

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He was not a 100% from the broken hand and had been sick for several days prior to the game and also was running a high temp during the game. Dooley admitted he shouldn't have kept in in but Bray gave us the best chance to win. You anti Bray persons look at one game and declare him a failure and he is no good.

Get over the KY game they have 1 in 27 years, every team gets luckily ever once in while or there would be no upsets in football, or any sport for that matter.

Go Vols

TitanandVolfan4life writes:

Now is the time to experiment with new things you might want to throw in now and then during the season to catch a team off guard.

You have to try new things to see what your players can and can't do and in the game isn't the time to experiment.

Bray can be better IF he's working hard and studying to learn how to read the D but far too many times he can't read the D and calls a run when there's 8 in the box to stuff the run so Bray was part of the problem with our run game.

Football experts always say it takes 3 years or longer to teach good run blocking to O linemen but that pass blocking is easy.

Our pass blocking has been very good and I expect improvement at our run blocking this season especially if Bray can read the D alot better and call the right checkoffs.

I certainly DO see improvement and we ARE back on the right road again so the haters will just have to eat crow the next couple of years as we get better and better.

The massive coaching change on the D WAS planned by CDD since he's wanted to switch to the 3-4 since day 1 but couldn't get the right coaches when he first came here and only had 2 weeks to hire a coaching staff and the main guys he wanted were tied down to contracts that Tennessee wasn't going to pay to buy out.

If you haven't seen the coaching interview from a few days ago on CSS then go to youtube and find it and you'll see real fast why CDD wanted his old friend CSS to leave AlaBummer and come to Tennessee to run our D but had to wait until he was available.

Anyone that watches the interview of CSS and doesn't get fired up simply doesn't know football and isn't a Tennessee fan.

VFL...GBO!!!

FLVOL_79 writes:

in response to BodeaneVol:

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Weird..had better numbers than any gator QB in the past 2 years.....and played half the games..ouch.

wigmeister writes:

in response to MerlotGoVols:

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You, sir, are an idiot! Nuff said.

HopeisNotaCourseofAction writes:

Past: Woulda done better if O line was not so young, injury to best WR, blah blah blah

Coulda done better if QB wasn't hurt, coulda read defenses better, yatta yatta yatta

Present: Shoulda do better this year since the O line has experience, QB has experience, new/better coaches, and a great UT RB coach! so maybe a no shizam run threat this year, great stable of receivers, easier schedule.

Future: more W's than L's (3 cream puff non conf with ga state, troy and akron) shoulda get us half way to a 6 win season, and let's be competitive the whole game against all the SEC teams, and not get blown out 3 times like last year (lsu,arky, bubba), and have an SEC win or 2 over someone in addition to candy and ukitten, and when we do beat those 2, not act like we just won the NC. No excuses, this year is THE year, if not, pinch it off.

abnerPeabody writes:

in response to givehim6:

5 post, no optimism at all. A few saying as long as CDD is coach Bray and UT are doomed, wow you all would make mary poppons hang her self, sorry about the spell, my checker does not do names. I hope a year under Bray's belt was good for Bray and the UK loose let him know if you do not play well you lose.

Your spell checker errors on other words also.

Bubba_Knows writes:

in response to lemme_axya_this:

I'm pretty sure that Bray was Kiffins number 4 choice as a QB prospect. Nick Montana, Jake Heaps, and Jesse Scroggins all turned him down. Bray's only offer at the time was San Diego State. Point being, if he never becomes a quality SEC QB ,it may be that he just wasn't good enough. If he does become a good one the credit must go to Dooley and Chaney.

Bray, when healthy, has already proven to me he is an NFL talent. He was out several weeks and then came back too soon and tried to throw with a broken finger. He couldn't grip the ball - kind of critical.

Bubba_Knows writes:

in response to Salma_Hayek_is_my_Wife:

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Just be glad Hunter went down to injury early in the game. You don't have a secondary that can guard Hunter and Rogers (both NFL talents) on the field at the same time. We have also added the #1 Juco WR in the Nation to the fold, so it should be an incredible show against the Gators in Neyland this year.

Bubba_Knows writes:

in response to voloffaith:

Didn't say off topic...zip...strike one...I do understand THE TRUTH...zip...strike two...Then you just were DEFAMATORY to me me calling me a "lukewarm liar." zip...STRIKE THREE you're out!!! ladies and gentlmen we now have an opening for a 'salt' inspector....oh btw by their fruit you will know them....while you're strolling back to the dugout ponder this...I ain't spewed as I'm under the blood of Christ!!!

The final judge has declared me innocent as ONE has paid my debt IN FULL!!!!

What's with all the zips Zippy?

Bubba_Knows writes:

in response to SevenT:

After TB's subpar performance last year in Lexington I must say..."bring it Tyler"...after all we will counter with a Wide Receiver at QB.

Bray was playing after a broken finger and couldn't even grip the ball. Give the man a break. Jez!

Bubba_Knows writes:

in response to TheVolSnake:

He was not a 100% from the broken hand and had been sick for several days prior to the game and also was running a high temp during the game. Dooley admitted he shouldn't have kept in in but Bray gave us the best chance to win. You anti Bray persons look at one game and declare him a failure and he is no good.

Get over the KY game they have 1 in 27 years, every team gets luckily ever once in while or there would be no upsets in football, or any sport for that matter.

Go Vols

Agree about Bray 100%. Idiots need to stay off of him. Man couldn't even grip the ball after the broken finger and he was sick during the KY game. The rest of the team does not have that excuse and played like $#%&.

voloffaith writes:

in response to Bubba_Knows:

What's with all the zips Zippy?

Baseball scenario....he whiffed on three things...the fastball went by fast thus ZIP....feel better now that zipped properly......It's Friday and Sunday is coming...who can explain that one today?

Bubba_Knows writes:

in response to voloffaith:

Baseball scenario....he whiffed on three things...the fastball went by fast thus ZIP....feel better now that zipped properly......It's Friday and Sunday is coming...who can explain that one today?

Happy Easter to you Zippy!

traderjoe writes:

Does anyone have a lot of confidence in Chaney? Last year was the worst I've seen a UT offense play since I started attending games in 1970. Coaching had to have been a factor.

voloffaith writes:

in response to Bubba_Knows:

Happy Easter to you Zippy!

Zippity do da zippity day my my what a wonderful day..... Blessed Easter to B_K !!

volinlm writes:

in response to MerlotGoVols:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

Thanks for your continuing support. You know,sarcasm is the lowest form of humor.

cooper65#432178 writes:

in response to Coach_K:

Where were all of these this our coach we will support him no matter what, when we actually had a coach who won us a national championship and won 80% of his games over a 20 yr period? I suspect they are they same ones saying we had become "stale". Lie in your bed and STFU! You called for this. You got it! Now because we have become "spoiled" under the man you love to hate, you feel a need to call all us "Fulmerites" and all the other the bs names you see fit. You call us trolls, I say you are the trolls.

Now when we call for a losing coach, bad p.r. man, and obvious mis-manganger of talent ie:coaches, players, staff, and media, we are the trolls? Wake up and look in the mirror. HE IS THE HEAD COACH, EVERYTHING IS ON HIM! IT'S HIS JOB! Now with that said I realize and understand the situation he came into. I was excited as any1 else when he came in. I thought the Ala game under CLK proved Neyland's maxims to the fullest. Had we had a staff that could teach a block or at least back the kick up three yards, I wouldn't have had to hear it from all the bandwagon "Mount Cody" fans.

When CDD came in he was supposed to be the "teams" guru, it was and I qoute..."gonna be his baby". Ask your self this....have we gotten any better in that phase?

Ask any Ala fan last year, they were worried at the half last year. Ask an LSU fan, same story. A smart man which I beleive CDD is, can come up with a good plan (see the first half of both those games). A good coach ADJUSTS at the half, (see both those games).

What y'all fail to see is...its because I LOVE UT that I want to see us moving in the right direction. Have we gone forward since Phat Phil? POINT BLANK NO! Why wait? To keep from having turnover? uhh hello...we had almost complete turnover THIS year! Why do you defend a loser when you were and ARE so willing to dis a tru VFL...fan, player, asst coach, oc, head coach?

Did you consider the fact that ALA and LSU had more talent and depth? We have to overcome several years of instability and negative press. We couldn't have beaten Bama last year with Vince Lombardi coaching. I have and continue to support our coach, but expect to see improvement this year with at least four SEC wins.

Go Vols!

brokendownoldvol writes:

If Bray's recievers stay healthy, I think Bray will break the single season passing record with no problem.

GerryOP writes:

in response to givehim6:

a blessed and happy Easter to you my friend, HE IS RISEN!

Hallelujah! ... Amen.

Coach_K writes:

in response to cooper65#432178:

Did you consider the fact that ALA and LSU had more talent and depth? We have to overcome several years of instability and negative press. We couldn't have beaten Bama last year with Vince Lombardi coaching. I have and continue to support our coach, but expect to see improvement this year with at least four SEC wins.

Go Vols!

Absolutly they have more talent and depth. They also have coaches who can adjust on the fly. I think CDD is to smart for his own good. He is afraid to deviate from "the plan". After an hour and half to see what they are doing we should be able to read and react. Don't get me wrong I want Dooley and Co to kick arse this year. I just don't have any reason to believe they will.

asleep#212036 writes:

in response to Coach_K:

Where were all of these this our coach we will support him no matter what, when we actually had a coach who won us a national championship and won 80% of his games over a 20 yr period? I suspect they are they same ones saying we had become "stale". Lie in your bed and STFU! You called for this. You got it! Now because we have become "spoiled" under the man you love to hate, you feel a need to call all us "Fulmerites" and all the other the bs names you see fit. You call us trolls, I say you are the trolls.

Now when we call for a losing coach, bad p.r. man, and obvious mis-manganger of talent ie:coaches, players, staff, and media, we are the trolls? Wake up and look in the mirror. HE IS THE HEAD COACH, EVERYTHING IS ON HIM! IT'S HIS JOB! Now with that said I realize and understand the situation he came into. I was excited as any1 else when he came in. I thought the Ala game under CLK proved Neyland's maxims to the fullest. Had we had a staff that could teach a block or at least back the kick up three yards, I wouldn't have had to hear it from all the bandwagon "Mount Cody" fans.

When CDD came in he was supposed to be the "teams" guru, it was and I qoute..."gonna be his baby". Ask your self this....have we gotten any better in that phase?

Ask any Ala fan last year, they were worried at the half last year. Ask an LSU fan, same story. A smart man which I beleive CDD is, can come up with a good plan (see the first half of both those games). A good coach ADJUSTS at the half, (see both those games).

What y'all fail to see is...its because I LOVE UT that I want to see us moving in the right direction. Have we gone forward since Phat Phil? POINT BLANK NO! Why wait? To keep from having turnover? uhh hello...we had almost complete turnover THIS year! Why do you defend a loser when you were and ARE so willing to dis a tru VFL...fan, player, asst coach, oc, head coach?

Please, please, please - forget Fulmer. It's over and there will never be agreement on whether he needed to go or not (I say yes, but who cares what I think?). Bottom line is that the team Dooley inherited absolutely lacked SEC depth and in many positions, SEC first team talent. Our talent level has been sketchy since Fulmer's last year. That said, I think Dooley could have won more games if he had more experience at the SEC level and enough clout to get his players to buy in. He didn't on either account and here we sit. However, he now has two years experience under his belt, the talent level and depth have definitely improved since 2008, and he has brought in some coaches who have either the clout (Sunseri and Pittman) or the panache (Graham) to get the players' attention and respect. So to all the naysayers who think the program is doomed since Fulmer left, which is ridiculous, or the blind optimists who hope the Dooley name and the Neyland maxims will in and of themselves make us winners, I say you're both wrong. The truth is somewhere in the middle and Dooley and company have about 8 months left in the experiment to see if they can figure it out. With the schedule we have, eight wins should be the minimum for another try. Any less and I think no matter how painful we have to move on - again! We'll see. If you're a troll, your life is pretty sad if you feel compelled to trash other fans on their site - I feel sorry for you. For the rest of us, we might consider being a little kinder to our fellow Vols fans over a difference of opinion. After all, in this season we should remember that National Champions or 0-12, it's just football. Go Vols!!!

VolzsFan writes:

in response to 10seVol85:

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Thank you for quoting what some guy who has never played a sport and writes garbage for a living has to say. What we do know is that the football professionals that evaluate talent for a living and decide on who to offer a scholarship, all turned him down. The only D1 scholarships he received was San Diego State, Fresno State and Tennessee. That is not the offer list of a top prospect. He was a mediocre prospect and he has been a mediocre college QB. You must accept the truth to be able to live with it.

GerryOP writes:

in response to DannyVol:

Let me preface the following by saying that I think we have a chance to be surprisingly good this year. That said, as far as quarterbacks are concerned, I don't like the concept of routinely putting guys in impossible situations in practice just for the sake of experimenting and with the idea that it makes "routine" plays easier in games. Frustration has never been a good teaching tool in my humble opinion. That's why in basketball, when a player is in a slump, a good coach almost always tells that player to get to the basket for layups or get to the foul line to build confidence. I realize that attempting difficult throws is sometimes necessary in order to stretch a good defense, but the "layups" are certainly never a given in the heat of battle either. I just personally think that we might be doing a little too much of "let's see what he CAN'T do" instead of challenging Bray to do all the things he does so well at a higher rate.

Interesting philosophy, but do you think maybe possibly that Chaney and his staff know more about this than we do? Just maybe?

Without meaning to contradict my suggestion that maybe Chaney knows more than we do, I suggest that if you routinely put guys in impossible situations in practice, sooner or later the impossible situations become possible.

Just a thought...

GerryOP writes:

in response to Coach_K:

Where were all of these this our coach we will support him no matter what, when we actually had a coach who won us a national championship and won 80% of his games over a 20 yr period? I suspect they are they same ones saying we had become "stale". Lie in your bed and STFU! You called for this. You got it! Now because we have become "spoiled" under the man you love to hate, you feel a need to call all us "Fulmerites" and all the other the bs names you see fit. You call us trolls, I say you are the trolls.

Now when we call for a losing coach, bad p.r. man, and obvious mis-manganger of talent ie:coaches, players, staff, and media, we are the trolls? Wake up and look in the mirror. HE IS THE HEAD COACH, EVERYTHING IS ON HIM! IT'S HIS JOB! Now with that said I realize and understand the situation he came into. I was excited as any1 else when he came in. I thought the Ala game under CLK proved Neyland's maxims to the fullest. Had we had a staff that could teach a block or at least back the kick up three yards, I wouldn't have had to hear it from all the bandwagon "Mount Cody" fans.

When CDD came in he was supposed to be the "teams" guru, it was and I qoute..."gonna be his baby". Ask your self this....have we gotten any better in that phase?

Ask any Ala fan last year, they were worried at the half last year. Ask an LSU fan, same story. A smart man which I beleive CDD is, can come up with a good plan (see the first half of both those games). A good coach ADJUSTS at the half, (see both those games).

What y'all fail to see is...its because I LOVE UT that I want to see us moving in the right direction. Have we gone forward since Phat Phil? POINT BLANK NO! Why wait? To keep from having turnover? uhh hello...we had almost complete turnover THIS year! Why do you defend a loser when you were and ARE so willing to dis a tru VFL...fan, player, asst coach, oc, head coach?

FWIW, the horse you insist on beating died a long time ago.

http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2011/10/3...

GerryOP writes:

in response to Salma_Hayek_is_my_Wife:

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Yup, it's terrible. We're ONLY 26-1 against UK over the last 27 years. 27 years ... that's longer than some of you dudes have been alive! Not too shabby.

allvol8 writes:

in response to givehim6:

a blessed and happy Easter to you my friend, HE IS RISEN!

He is risen indeed!

lemme_axya_this writes:

in response to Bubba_Knows:

Bray, when healthy, has already proven to me he is an NFL talent. He was out several weeks and then came back too soon and tried to throw with a broken finger. He couldn't grip the ball - kind of critical.

My comment was meant to be a shot at the people who still hail Kiffin as some kind of recruiting genius. The point I was trying to make was that the qbs that he preferred over Bray are all backups, two have already transferred . Bray whom he "settled" for is the best of the group. I would like to see him perform well against some of the SEC elite.

GerryOP writes:

in response to Salma_Hayek_is_my_Wife:

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Whodat?

lemme_axya_this writes:

in response to 10seVol85:

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Lemme axya this, if you have never seen me, how do you know I'm not a minority? What about my comments or questions makes it impossible for me to be African American?

givehim6 writes:

in response to abnerPeabody:

Your spell checker errors on other words also.

Thanks professor for pointing this out. This is a Vol sports site right? Yes I do not spell very well this is why I do have a spell checker, but if I ran every word I wrote by it I would be on the computer all day. Even though I am retired I do have a life besides being on the computer all day.

PUL4VOLS writes:

I'm glad we have Tyler Bray as qb THIS year, not considering what he DIDn't do last year but with some glimmer of hope he will step up THIS year. 2012, that is THIS year not 1977,1998, 2003, 2012. I am most interested in what happens THIS year. Does anyone have a question about that?

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