Mike Strange: Vols are headed back up draft board

Mike Strange

There was a time when a small bus was required to transport a University of Tennessee NFL draft class.

These days, a Harley-Davidson will do. This past draft weekend, you didn't even need to hook up a sidecar.

Consider three of the past four drafts:

2009: Robert Ayers went in the first round and the Vols were done.

2011: Luke Stocker in the fourth round, Denarius Moore in the fifth.

2012: Malik Jackson, on the 137th pick, to Denver in the fifth round. Temple had more picks than Tennessee.

Now, consider this: From 1990-2003, the Vols averaged 7.1 draftees per year.

Eight of those 14 classes boasted eight or more selections.

Even considering some of those earlier drafts lasted longer than the present seven rounds, the burden of evidence suggests — no, it shouts — that the UT program has experienced a precipitous decline in elite talent.

I realize this isn't breaking news. The Vols' precipitous decline on the playing field is the most scrutinized topic in our part of the world.

Sometimes in sports, numbers lie. Or, at least, they don't tell the whole story.

In this case, they pretty much tell it like it is. Tennessee was an elite program through the 1990s and into the early 2000s because it had elite talent.

That's not to diminish the coaching acumen of Phillip Fulmer and his staff, nor the benefit of playing in one of the best home-field atmospheres in college football.

Both of the above were contributing factors to being able to attract such elite talent.

For the sake of compari

son, I offer Tennessee's basketball program.

For six seasons, Bruce Pearl was able to achieve unprecedented success, both in the regular season and come tournament time. And he did it with minimal contribution from NBA-level talent.

Pearl had C.J. Watson his first year and Tobias Harris his last. That's it.

Football is different, the data would have us believe. The Dane Bradshaw-Chris Lofton formula doesn't carry you as far. You need John Hendersons.

If there's a head-scratcher in Tennessee's relation to the NFL, it's the 2010 draft.

Six Vols were selected, including first-rounders Eric Berry and Dan Williams, Montario Hardesty in the second, a fourth- and two fifth-rounders. With those guys in place, how did the 2008 season go so wrong?

Tennessee's best draft is up for debate. Was it 2000, with two first-rounders and five second-rounders and a third?

Was it '92, with two firsts, two seconds and a third? How about Peyton Manning's draft in '98, with three firsts and two thirds?

Some would say 2002, with three firsts, two thirds and 10 overall.

From there, to one and done.

UT's recent turmoil is well documented. It's worth noting that Jackson, the only 2012 draftee, was a Derek Dooley acquisition.

Not everyone is on board with Dooley's strategizing or his persona. But it's hard for even his critics to nay-say his recruiting in a tough situation.

The prediction here is that when the 2013 and 2014 drafts roll around, Tennessee will be stepping out of the shadows again.

There might even be a first-rounder (or several) on the way up.

If the aerial circus UT fans envision for Tyler Bray, Justin Hunter and Da'Rick Rogers comes to fruition in 2012, all three juniors might have an early-entry decision to make.

Mychal Rivera, Herman Lathers, Dallas Thomas and Prentiss Waggner are a productive senior season away from being draftable.

The offensive line and the defense are sprinkled with young players who have the tools to one day get a hug from Roger Goodell at Radio City Music Hall.

The Vols are going to be back in the draft business. A bus might be overdoing it, but somebody ought to get a van ready for 2013.

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TheOpinion writes:

Amen.

But people will keep being idiots and blame Dooley for not being able to win with guys who are about as athletic as John Adams is funny.

HtownVol writes:

Please dont talk about Bray/Hunter/Rogers entering early.

I am sure Rogers will jump no matter what but man I would love to have Hunter and Bray for 2 more years.

More than anything this proves that Fulmer lost his job because he stopped recruiting.

GO VOLS

Bigger_Al writes:

Just looking at the roster last season, it was obvious that UT couldn't send much quantity to the NFL because they had 9 scholly Sr's and 13 scolly Jr's. Some of them (Herman Lathers, Ben Martin) were out or battling major injuries. As the 45 or so upcoming Sophomores and Juniors age a bit, bigger draft days are ahead.

Blue_Duck_Vol writes:

Well there are the numbers... Now let's see how the trolls completely ignore them

Navaloranges writes:

I predict a short comment list. Either that or a long one with Poser after Poser giving us their "facts" as to why Strange is off base.

Most of us have known this for a while. When Dooley first came here, before the POSERS took over the site, most everybody on here was talking about the talent decline and the tough road Dooley had ahead. Now that we're seeing progress and a real talent jump, the POSERS are geting more and more relentless.

In reality, the lying and spinning by the FRAUDS is just further proof we're finally on our way out of the woods. Dooley HAS done a very good job rebuilding this team. Especially with what he's been up against.

DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho writes:

in response to Navaloranges:

I predict a short comment list. Either that or a long one with Poser after Poser giving us their "facts" as to why Strange is off base.

Most of us have known this for a while. When Dooley first came here, before the POSERS took over the site, most everybody on here was talking about the talent decline and the tough road Dooley had ahead. Now that we're seeing progress and a real talent jump, the POSERS are geting more and more relentless.

In reality, the lying and spinning by the FRAUDS is just further proof we're finally on our way out of the woods. Dooley HAS done a very good job rebuilding this team. Especially with what he's been up against.

How will you ever be able to see UT's eventual success with your nose buried so firmly in Dooley's posterior?

DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho writes:

in response to RockyMountainVol:

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Maybe you should let Dooley win a game against an SEC team not named Vanderbilt before you start celebrating Dooley's championship victories.

Also, nobody questions his recruiting. He's a great recruiter. I would love for him to be UT's recruiting coordinator. He's just a pathetic Head Coach.

thevoice writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

Maybe you should let Dooley win a game against an SEC team not named Vanderbilt before you start celebrating Dooley's championship victories.

Also, nobody questions his recruiting. He's a great recruiter. I would love for him to be UT's recruiting coordinator. He's just a pathetic Head Coach.

Seeing how many are discussing the recruiting efforts by Dooley, I assume most are on board with the star system, the virtually exclusive rating system by which classes are ranked. If we have a bad recruiting year, of course the stars don't mean anything. Back on subject... since we play in the SEC, 8 of our games are against such teams, and we don't play powerhouse non-conference teams, isn't really the only thing that matters how we fare against other SEC teams, both on the field and in recruiting? No one has said things would be easy, but until we recruit well in our own conference...

Are you referring to Dooley being a great recruiter nationally or in the SEC or in general? We've been scraping the bottom 25% in the SEC recently. Hard to win SEC games that way.

asleep#212036 writes:

I still don't know how good a head coach Dooley is or how far he can go at UT or elsewhere. But I was a bit shocked by the numbers in the article and it bears out what I have thought all along. Coaching is important but without raw materials, all the coaching in the world won't beat the Alabamas, LSUs, and Georgias of our conference (should beat Kentucky though but that's another rant!!). Dooley's issue this year is simple: he's got several key seniors with 30+ starts, a class full of NFL caliber juniors, also with experience beyond their years, and, finally, freshman and sophomore classes with enough talent to hang with all but the elite of the elite (Bama and LSU) in the SEC. Why is that a problem for DD? Because he no longer has a reasonable excuse for not winning games. He has the upper class-men he needs for leadership and lots of talented reserves coming along. The schedule is demonstrably easier than in years past. His "system" is in its 4th year. The fan base is excited and money is flowing from administration to make it happen. Nope, ol' DD had better win early and often or he'll need to mothball those orange pants sooner rather than later. Here's hoping it all comes together - I'm cautiously optimistic. Go Vols!!!

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

in response to thevoice:

Seeing how many are discussing the recruiting efforts by Dooley, I assume most are on board with the star system, the virtually exclusive rating system by which classes are ranked. If we have a bad recruiting year, of course the stars don't mean anything. Back on subject... since we play in the SEC, 8 of our games are against such teams, and we don't play powerhouse non-conference teams, isn't really the only thing that matters how we fare against other SEC teams, both on the field and in recruiting? No one has said things would be easy, but until we recruit well in our own conference...

Are you referring to Dooley being a great recruiter nationally or in the SEC or in general? We've been scraping the bottom 25% in the SEC recently. Hard to win SEC games that way.

His first class was 5th in the conference and his second was 6th. His third class was looking pretty good until several assistants took other jobs. I'm not going to get into or speculate on their reasons for leaving or whether their leaving was Dooley's fault, but that really hit the 2012 class hard. Signing the #17 class in the country (which is, BTW, 6th in the conference, counting the new additions) amonst the uncertainty caused by assistant coaches, who had been doing a lot of the recruiting, leaving and the public uncertainty (and media coverage of such) caused by 2 losing seasons and a program apparently in a bad period of instability, was nothing short of miraculous in my humble opinion.

I'm not sure what the "bottom 25% in the SEC" means to you, but where I come from, the bottom 25% of a 12-team SEC would be #10, #11, and #12, and the bottom 25% of a 14-team conference would be #11, #12, #13 and #14. So far, Dooley hasn't even come close to that part of the conference. He has been solidly in the top half (or in the second 25% if you like) with all three classes.

Considering the state of the program he inherited, and the things that have happened in it since, that's damn good recruiting.

Timbo_Slice writes:

in response to 10seVol85_Part_Deux:

His first class was 5th in the conference and his second was 6th. His third class was looking pretty good until several assistants took other jobs. I'm not going to get into or speculate on their reasons for leaving or whether their leaving was Dooley's fault, but that really hit the 2012 class hard. Signing the #17 class in the country (which is, BTW, 6th in the conference, counting the new additions) amonst the uncertainty caused by assistant coaches, who had been doing a lot of the recruiting, leaving and the public uncertainty (and media coverage of such) caused by 2 losing seasons and a program apparently in a bad period of instability, was nothing short of miraculous in my humble opinion.

I'm not sure what the "bottom 25% in the SEC" means to you, but where I come from, the bottom 25% of a 12-team SEC would be #10, #11, and #12, and the bottom 25% of a 14-team conference would be #11, #12, #13 and #14. So far, Dooley hasn't even come close to that part of the conference. He has been solidly in the top half (or in the second 25% if you like) with all three classes.

Considering the state of the program he inherited, and the things that have happened in it since, that's damn good recruiting.

Good point! Don't know where some of these posters got their math skills from but they always seem to exagerate facts so they can bash Dooley. You forgot to mention that his first class was put together after only a month or so on the job. That was also a miraculous recruiting job. Yes, Kiffin was responsible for getting some commits out of that class, but he also tried to take them with him to USC, and you have to give Dooley credit for holding that class together.
I'm not here to say Dooley is a great coach, that remains to be seen, but this article sure does put the last two seasons into perspective.
Go Vols!

flatrock writes:

in response to slaw_way:

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Get over the UK loss- stuff happens (Peyton lost to lowly Memphis State- and he was surrounded by NFL talent)...One other SEC win? Without your starting QB? Your best WR ?Your best LB ? An incredibly-weak OLine? No pass rush? The worst kicker and punter combo in the SEC? Let me see, Vols should've beaten Alabama? LSU? Arkansas? South Carolina? Georgia? At Florida ? Not a chance!
It will get better, however. Go Vols!

hueypilot writes:

The draft figures don't lie. Can't do it without players and the cupboard was largely bare. Even Jackson was playing out of position, a big end asked to do the work of a DT in the SEC. This year is the do better or go home year for DD. He knows it, we know it. Let's just see how it plays out.

CarlChilders writes:

Pointless article with the absence of upperclassmen on the roster.

DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho writes:

in response to thevoice:

Seeing how many are discussing the recruiting efforts by Dooley, I assume most are on board with the star system, the virtually exclusive rating system by which classes are ranked. If we have a bad recruiting year, of course the stars don't mean anything. Back on subject... since we play in the SEC, 8 of our games are against such teams, and we don't play powerhouse non-conference teams, isn't really the only thing that matters how we fare against other SEC teams, both on the field and in recruiting? No one has said things would be easy, but until we recruit well in our own conference...

Are you referring to Dooley being a great recruiter nationally or in the SEC or in general? We've been scraping the bottom 25% in the SEC recently. Hard to win SEC games that way.

In general.

VolzsFan writes:

Layne had 8 NFL picks on his team and he was favored in 9 games and won 7.

Nobody will ever go to other states and pull players that the big SEC teams want the way Phil did. No other UT coach will put Georgia, LSU, USC etc. in the mediocre manner the way Phil did.

NashvillePreds writes:

I don't believe all UT fans believe there will be an "aerial circus" in 2012. It always seems like we're one excuse away from disaster with Dooley.
I, for one, don't really see that changing in 2012.

SevenT writes:

in response to Navaloranges:

I predict a short comment list. Either that or a long one with Poser after Poser giving us their "facts" as to why Strange is off base.

Most of us have known this for a while. When Dooley first came here, before the POSERS took over the site, most everybody on here was talking about the talent decline and the tough road Dooley had ahead. Now that we're seeing progress and a real talent jump, the POSERS are geting more and more relentless.

In reality, the lying and spinning by the FRAUDS is just further proof we're finally on our way out of the woods. Dooley HAS done a very good job rebuilding this team. Especially with what he's been up against.

NAVALLEMON

You are so far out in left field it is truly amazing. There is zero evidence of "progress" except in your world. There is a weak coach who does not have the respect of his AD, players, assistant coaches or fan base. At some point even you should come to the understanding it is what it is.

AllforTenn writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

Maybe you should let Dooley win a game against an SEC team not named Vanderbilt before you start celebrating Dooley's championship victories.

Also, nobody questions his recruiting. He's a great recruiter. I would love for him to be UT's recruiting coordinator. He's just a pathetic Head Coach.

And what makes you an expert on his coaching? Save your ignorant posts for some other topic.

Navaloranges writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

How will you ever be able to see UT's eventual success with your nose buried so firmly in Dooley's posterior?

Yeah, just ignore that little pesky rebuilding thing. As I've stated many times, I'm a VOL fan so Dooley, or any other coach that took ove this debacle, deserves a fair chance.

Who has their head in the sand? YOU do TROLL. Go back to your florida board, you don't belong here anyway little boy.

Navaloranges writes:

in response to SevenT:

NAVALLEMON

You are so far out in left field it is truly amazing. There is zero evidence of "progress" except in your world. There is a weak coach who does not have the respect of his AD, players, assistant coaches or fan base. At some point even you should come to the understanding it is what it is.

Strange just laid out the FACT that the last 2 years have been a talent problem, not a coaching problem. If you choose to be a DA and ignore FACTS, go ahead. You're not even a VOL fan. You're just a freaking uk fan that has nothing better to do than irritate REAL Vol fans on their site. In other words, you have no life, and very little college football knowledge, IF ANY.

Navaloranges writes:

in response to thevoice:

Seeing how many are discussing the recruiting efforts by Dooley, I assume most are on board with the star system, the virtually exclusive rating system by which classes are ranked. If we have a bad recruiting year, of course the stars don't mean anything. Back on subject... since we play in the SEC, 8 of our games are against such teams, and we don't play powerhouse non-conference teams, isn't really the only thing that matters how we fare against other SEC teams, both on the field and in recruiting? No one has said things would be easy, but until we recruit well in our own conference...

Are you referring to Dooley being a great recruiter nationally or in the SEC or in general? We've been scraping the bottom 25% in the SEC recently. Hard to win SEC games that way.

UT finished 5th in one service and 6th in another. That's in the TOP 50% any way you slice it. That's is considered GREAT recruiting by any and every pundit consideriing what Dooley has been up against during the last two years of MAJOR rebuilding. The theory is, and it most likely WILL be proven as fact, if Dooley can stay in the top 13-14 nationally in recruiting with .500 seasons, and during a rebuilding process, he will do even better when the process starts producing wins. It's not hard to figure out unless you're just ignoring the obvious for POSER/TROLL effect.

You "fans" can ignore the fact that we've been in major rebuilding mode for the last 2 years until the cows come home. Ignoring and denying FACTS don't change them.

rtrchatt writes:

For the most part Alabama and UT are fighting over very few recruits each year.
Draw what conclusions you want but Saban has won 55 games in 5 years and he will retire from UA. Look how he is changing the SEC. Fla and Awbarn turning to pro style systems. UT trying to implement a 34 defense. Frankly any season Bama does not win 10 games under his direction will be a disappointment. He simply is without match in evaluating prep talent and player development at the college level.

hikerdude writes:

in response to Navaloranges:

Strange just laid out the FACT that the last 2 years have been a talent problem, not a coaching problem. If you choose to be a DA and ignore FACTS, go ahead. You're not even a VOL fan. You're just a freaking uk fan that has nothing better to do than irritate REAL Vol fans on their site. In other words, you have no life, and very little college football knowledge, IF ANY.

Hate to say it but I half way agree with Naval on this one. I agree that lack of talent has been a problem. When Dooley got here we had few players on the roster that could play with any of the good SEC teams. Dooley seems to be fixing that pretty well given all the problems surrounding the program. Whether we have a coaching problem, though, is still very much up in the air.

hikerdude writes:

Oops. I meant to reply to Naval's 10:17 post, not his 10:20 post.

Navaloranges writes:

in response to hikerdude:

Oops. I meant to reply to Naval's 10:17 post, not his 10:20 post.

I know you've been hard on Dooley in the past, maybe that's why you "hate" to agree with me. BUT, I haven't been cheerleading Dooley the way the POSERS are accussing me. I, also, believe Dooley has to prove himself as a coach. My big thing is the Dooley trashing. The man hasn't had a real chance to compete yet, so how can you trash him? That has been my stance since day one. The trolls call me a Dooley apologist because they are purposfully twisting my defense of the coaching position during this rebuilding period, with the coach himself.

To ME, there is no reason what so ever to belittle Dooley. He started with less than nothing as far as a SEC roster goes, has had to endure two losing seasons BECAUSE of that fact, and has done a masterful job of getting our roster BACK to a competing level. I believe that NOW is the time we start to "judge" Dooley on his SEC coaching performance.

The Doolittle this, the losing record that, and all the BS that goes along with it CANNOT be a seerious VOL fans' way of supporting their team. SO, I brand these losers and TROLLS and POSERS, like they SHOULD be branded.

CroKev writes:

It's all Dooley's fault...

Voltman writes:

Dooley deserves a chance with no more ridicule about how he is doing his job until after this upcoming season is over. trolls need to stop acting like anyone who supports dooley is delusional. Every one of us who support dooley know and are willing to support dooley being fired after this season if it doesnt turn out too good were not idiots but stop calling the drawing ugly and a failure before its even completely been painted A good painting has multiple coats of paint on it not just a couple. The painting will be complete come the first game this year and we will know if its ugly or not until then you are for Dooley and the Vols or against long term success of the program

CroKev writes:

Voice / Handicapped / Bodeane / Wall-E / Goodest / Saliva's Husband / et al.

OK, here's the challenge: If UT wins 8 or more games this year, you all promise to stay off GoVolsXtra for 1 year. If they win 7 or less, then I promise to stay off for a year. Of course, this assumes that we're all men of integrity (i.e., won't change our screen names). I'm confident in my claims; how about you?

murrayvol writes:

in response to asleep#212036:

I still don't know how good a head coach Dooley is or how far he can go at UT or elsewhere. But I was a bit shocked by the numbers in the article and it bears out what I have thought all along. Coaching is important but without raw materials, all the coaching in the world won't beat the Alabamas, LSUs, and Georgias of our conference (should beat Kentucky though but that's another rant!!). Dooley's issue this year is simple: he's got several key seniors with 30+ starts, a class full of NFL caliber juniors, also with experience beyond their years, and, finally, freshman and sophomore classes with enough talent to hang with all but the elite of the elite (Bama and LSU) in the SEC. Why is that a problem for DD? Because he no longer has a reasonable excuse for not winning games. He has the upper class-men he needs for leadership and lots of talented reserves coming along. The schedule is demonstrably easier than in years past. His "system" is in its 4th year. The fan base is excited and money is flowing from administration to make it happen. Nope, ol' DD had better win early and often or he'll need to mothball those orange pants sooner rather than later. Here's hoping it all comes together - I'm cautiously optimistic. Go Vols!!!

Likewise. Good post.

givehim6 writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

Maybe you should let Dooley win a game against an SEC team not named Vanderbilt before you start celebrating Dooley's championship victories.

Also, nobody questions his recruiting. He's a great recruiter. I would love for him to be UT's recruiting coordinator. He's just a pathetic Head Coach.

In same manner maybe the Trools and Possers that have tryed to take over the TRUE Vols web site should wait untill the 2012 season starts to bash CDD and our Vols. You guy need new material I have been hereing the same line of bull for over a year now, remember last fall about Nov. the big line you guys used about CDD's reasons for loses were getting old? Same now, your constant babbling over the same phooey is old.

murrayvol writes:

in response to CroKev:

Voice / Handicapped / Bodeane / Wall-E / Goodest / Saliva's Husband / et al.

OK, here's the challenge: If UT wins 8 or more games this year, you all promise to stay off GoVolsXtra for 1 year. If they win 7 or less, then I promise to stay off for a year. Of course, this assumes that we're all men of integrity (i.e., won't change our screen names). I'm confident in my claims; how about you?

Give it up CroKev. These guys aren't going anywhere.

Too much low hanging fruit.

Newrandyt writes:

I'm not going to take sides with either the trolls or the ones on line with Big Orange blinders. I will say that I live in Atlanta in the middle of enemy territory, so I get a different perspective than those here who still live in Big Orange country. That said, here are my feelings based on what I have seen. (and for the record, the Dawgs think Dooley is the new resurrection for TN).

I just don't see the improvement you are seeing. Is it Dooley's fault, I don't know (although a couple of the losses this last two seasons were winnable). Do I think that Dooley is going to lead us to the promised land...don't see that either. Alabama and LSU are strengthening even from the top they are already on. Florida will come back. We should be able to pick off GA once in awhile, but they have beaten us silly in their recruiting, since Richt came, even though we have had some success with them (untill they got rid of our best weapon, Willy Martinez). I think we will always hold our own against the bottom feeders in the SEC East, but not right now seeing the dominance we once had there...and SC is still SC, they don't know how to win for long.

I am not seeing anything that will get us out of the bottom half of the SEC East. Do I think we will drop even further, no, but not seeing anything that will elevate us either. Please feel free to educate me on what I am missing.

murrayvol writes:

The jury's still out on CDD due primarily to a star crossed first year (wins vs LSU and NC that morphed into losses) and Kentuckygate last year.

Fair or not, he needs to show dramatic progress in 2012 or a significant portion of the fanbase will be howling for John Gruden et al.

UTKin1992 writes:

Who cares about "heading back up the draft board"? Hows about heading back up the win column?

If the Vols win 10 games and no senior gets drafted...so what? We won 10 games. Yipee. I'm a University of Tennessee fan, not an NFL fan.

Navaloranges writes:

in response to UTKin1992:

Who cares about "heading back up the draft board"? Hows about heading back up the win column?

If the Vols win 10 games and no senior gets drafted...so what? We won 10 games. Yipee. I'm a University of Tennessee fan, not an NFL fan.

Ummm, I think one has a lot to do with the other. As a matter of fact, I think that's the point of the article.

Brac_Jack writes:

Do you miss Phil Fulmer NOW!!!!!

jhayes0926#638474 writes:

here come the trolls.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to Navaloranges:

I know you've been hard on Dooley in the past, maybe that's why you "hate" to agree with me. BUT, I haven't been cheerleading Dooley the way the POSERS are accussing me. I, also, believe Dooley has to prove himself as a coach. My big thing is the Dooley trashing. The man hasn't had a real chance to compete yet, so how can you trash him? That has been my stance since day one. The trolls call me a Dooley apologist because they are purposfully twisting my defense of the coaching position during this rebuilding period, with the coach himself.

To ME, there is no reason what so ever to belittle Dooley. He started with less than nothing as far as a SEC roster goes, has had to endure two losing seasons BECAUSE of that fact, and has done a masterful job of getting our roster BACK to a competing level. I believe that NOW is the time we start to "judge" Dooley on his SEC coaching performance.

The Doolittle this, the losing record that, and all the BS that goes along with it CANNOT be a seerious VOL fans' way of supporting their team. SO, I brand these losers and TROLLS and POSERS, like they SHOULD be branded.

Exactly what I have been saying all along. The trolls and posers will NEVER realize--or at least never admit--what a lack of talent Dooley inherited. I will agree with anybody that proof that Dooley is a great coach right now is thin on the ground. However, he would have had to be a MIRACULOUS coach to win with what he had. NOW we will BEGIN to see whether he is a great coach or a terrible one or something in between. In the meantime, he is the VOLS coach and as long as he serves in that capacity, he has my full support.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

UT finally has depth with upperclassmen and that ability to reload if Jr's jump ship to the NFL..I'm believing UT has come out of the doldrums and is ready to compete like they are expected to do..And if they do (which I'm almost certain they will) Dooley deserves all the credit, you can't blame the man for all the ills and not credit him with the positive..Just a thought & HBTV!!

Madkels writes:

in response to HtownVol:

Please dont talk about Bray/Hunter/Rogers entering early.

I am sure Rogers will jump no matter what but man I would love to have Hunter and Bray for 2 more years.

More than anything this proves that Fulmer lost his job because he stopped recruiting.

GO VOLS

Plus, Fulmer couldn't beat Florida with that talent. And as time passed and recruiting dropped (after Cut left) he couldn't win any of the big games or bowls. Not knocking Fulmer, just stating facts.

DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho writes:

in response to Navaloranges:

Yeah, just ignore that little pesky rebuilding thing. As I've stated many times, I'm a VOL fan so Dooley, or any other coach that took ove this debacle, deserves a fair chance.

Who has their head in the sand? YOU do TROLL. Go back to your florida board, you don't belong here anyway little boy.

Naval...some people drink the Doolaid. You mix it up and serve it.

Dooley deserves his salary, per his contract and that's about all he deserves.

He is paid to win. Not paid to make excuses or paid to make sure the players are washing correctly or screw up his first coaching staff hires or make WWII references or comment on modern gardening techniques.

Had he shown ANY ability to improve the overall play of this team from Year 1 to Year 2, then I would agree with you, but he didn't.

He was a loser coach at La Tech and he's a loser coach at UT. But, it's ok. You are in the minority on this issue. Your boy wins this year or he takes his $4 mil parachute and goes back to being a middle management administrator, which he is actually very good at.

vols2#227315 writes:

Can not wait tell doodley squat is gone and get a real coach in.

Ayres_Hall writes:

Those are the facts. Less talent than Temple AND playing in the SEC. Yikes!

But I'm sure some of you will argue with facts.

Navaloranges writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

Naval...some people drink the Doolaid. You mix it up and serve it.

Dooley deserves his salary, per his contract and that's about all he deserves.

He is paid to win. Not paid to make excuses or paid to make sure the players are washing correctly or screw up his first coaching staff hires or make WWII references or comment on modern gardening techniques.

Had he shown ANY ability to improve the overall play of this team from Year 1 to Year 2, then I would agree with you, but he didn't.

He was a loser coach at La Tech and he's a loser coach at UT. But, it's ok. You are in the minority on this issue. Your boy wins this year or he takes his $4 mil parachute and goes back to being a middle management administrator, which he is actually very good at.

"You are in the minority on this issue."

Spoken like a true TROLL.

You are a Troll. In the world of TROLLS I am in the minority. I talk to actual Vol fans every day. AT LEAST 9 out of 10 REAL Vol fans understand we're rebuilding and that Dooley needs, and WILL GET, enough time to turn around a program that was at rock bottom upon his arrival.

Football ignorant statements like yours about that particualr opinion being in the minority are well known to be the ramblings of POSERS and TROLLS such as yourself. This is the ONLY vol football site where you will find so much anti-Vol discourse. FACT.

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