Media commentary on Butch Jones hire

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StoneJackBaller writes:

Looks to me like Butch Jones should've been the first person we went after. He wanted the job. He's hungry to prove himself. He is a REAL coach, unlike our last coach. Oh yeah, and people (recruits) love him, unlike Derek what's his name.

mnvol writes:

The decision's been made, so I'm going to support Coach Jones until he gives me reason not to.

Can't spell bUTch without UT.

Ayres_Hall writes:

in response to StoneJackBaller:

Looks to me like Butch Jones should've been the first person we went after. He wanted the job. He's hungry to prove himself. He is a REAL coach, unlike our last coach. Oh yeah, and people (recruits) love him, unlike Derek what's his name.

Move on amigo. No sense is hanging around the smoldering dumpster blaming everything on someone else.

usafvol writes:

in response to StoneJackBaller:

Looks to me like Butch Jones should've been the first person we went after. He wanted the job. He's hungry to prove himself. He is a REAL coach, unlike our last coach. Oh yeah, and people (recruits) love him, unlike Derek what's his name.

I think you're right on this one. He's proven he can win with 2 different teams and thats good enough for me. Many will argue that he won against lesser talent than the SEC but they should remember that he won with lesser talent as well.

StoneJackBaller writes:

in response to Ayres_Hall:

Move on amigo. No sense is hanging around the smoldering dumpster blaming everything on someone else.

I didn't think there were any Dooley supporters left. Amazing.

Orangeblood13 writes:

watch it Stone Jack, Ayers smells of negativity

lemme_axya_this writes:

in response to StoneJackBaller:

I didn't think there were any Dooley supporters left. Amazing.

You kind of sound like Walt, Toddy, Glenn Ford, and the rest of that crew.

Vol43 writes:

in response to Ayres_Hall:

Move on amigo. No sense is hanging around the smoldering dumpster blaming everything on someone else.

Making a spreadsheet with names of all the naysayers so when Coach Jones is successful and you try to climb inboard, I'll remind you

CCLC writes:

in response to mnvol:

The decision's been made, so I'm going to support Coach Jones until he gives me reason not to.

Can't spell bUTch without UT.

...who names their kid "Butch"?

Vol43 writes:

in response to CCLC:

...who names their kid "Butch"?

Well I would presume his parents did, why?

lemme_axya_this writes:

in response to CCLC:

...who names their kid "Butch"?

Who names their son Herschel?

StoneJackBaller writes:

in response to CCLC:

...who names their kid "Butch"?

It's actually his nickname...his real name is Lyle Allen Jones, Jr.

StoneJackBaller writes:

in response to lemme_axya_this:

Who names their son Herschel?

Mr. and Mrs. Walker

NomDePlume (Inactive) writes:

Egads! This article kind of scared me a bit: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20...|newswell|text|Sports|s

Food for thought. I still support him, but if he Kiffens us I there's gonna be a problem.

VolGrad writes:

CBJ, Contact Vonn Bell now if you haven't already. Derrick Green should be near the top of that list as well.

Go Vols!

VolGrad writes:

in response to NomDePlume:

Egads! This article kind of scared me a bit: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20...|newswell|text|Sports|s

Food for thought. I still support him, but if he Kiffens us I there's gonna be a problem.

Well, he hasn't "Kiffen"-ed any of his other schools, so he's probably not going to "Kiffen" us. That article takes some things CBJ did and said and neatly molds them in a negative light. Why? Regardless of how and when a "successful" head coach leaves a school, there are going to be feelings of betrayal and a sense that the coach was hypocritical about his level of commitment to the school. You won't hear that about an "unsuccessful" coach as they are usually fired. And in this case, CBJ never left a school after his very first year on the job as did Kiffen after his mildly successful year at Tennessee.

So I don't see any parallels here.

The writer, Paul Daugherty may have every right to "feel" the way he does. But his expressions of those emotions are not necessarily factual statements. Else, I seriously doubt the apparent bulk of Butch's team there at Cincy would have applauded his new opportunity at Tennessee as they did. Apparently they felt he had always been honest and straight-forward with them and was now proud for him. They also realized it was much because of their own success that he now had that opportunity. What? Are they going to turn bitter now? I seriously doubt it. The writer did not so much as offer a single quote from one of his former players. It is written more like an editorial, one's own subjective opinion on the matter. He essentially criticizes Butch for trying to find a better job, something most of us do quite often even while spouting the praises of our current employer or company, either verbally (sales) or non-verbally (daily commitment to the quality of our own work). That itself seem hypocritical of the writer himself.

Time will tell, but I don't think this specific article should warrant any such fears of a "Kiffen" like move by CBJ.

Vol43 writes:

in response to VolGrad:

Well, he hasn't "Kiffen"-ed any of his other schools, so he's probably not going to "Kiffen" us. That article takes some things CBJ did and said and neatly molds them in a negative light. Why? Regardless of how and when a "successful" head coach leaves a school, there are going to be feelings of betrayal and a sense that the coach was hypocritical about his level of commitment to the school. You won't hear that about an "unsuccessful" coach as they are usually fired. And in this case, CBJ never left a school after his very first year on the job as did Kiffen after his mildly successful year at Tennessee.

So I don't see any parallels here.

The writer, Paul Daugherty may have every right to "feel" the way he does. But his expressions of those emotions are not necessarily factual statements. Else, I seriously doubt the apparent bulk of Butch's team there at Cincy would have applauded his new opportunity at Tennessee as they did. Apparently they felt he had always been honest and straight-forward with them and was now proud for him. They also realized it was much because of their own success that he now had that opportunity. What? Are they going to turn bitter now? I seriously doubt it. The writer did not so much as offer a single quote from one of his former players. It is written more like an editorial, one's own subjective opinion on the matter. He essentially criticizes Butch for trying to find a better job, something most of us do quite often even while spouting the praises of our current employer or company, either verbally (sales) or non-verbally (daily commitment to the quality of our own work). That itself seem hypocritical of the writer himself.

Time will tell, but I don't think this specific article should warrant any such fears of a "Kiffen" like move by CBJ.

Good points. I thought the piece showed a little sour grapes. The fact that the squad gave applause says much about Butch. Go Vols

bfowler1161#262198 writes:

Commitment goes both ways, from the coach to the university and its fans, and from the school and fans back to the coach. It is very possible he could "bail" for his "dream" job. It is also possible that after three years we are shouting for his ouster the way we did Dooley's. The days of a coach staying at a school for more then a decade are now the exception rather than the norm. Unfortunately our society no longer allows for a process to work. We want instant gratification. And with the money now being tossed about for college athletics, the administration, fans, etc should have some expection of being competitive. Only time will tell if this is a good hire. He is in a profession and has reached a level the expection of being fired one day is the reality.

laraccoon writes:

some of those feeds make it sound like they were surprised Jones left Cincy .he interviewed with other schools , surely that must have been some kind of red flag he had other interests !

VolFanInTheBoro (Inactive) writes:

in response to CCLC:

...who names their kid "Butch"?

who would name their daughter Winstead

wagee12 writes:

Not many educated opinions above from so called media. How long has Woodpecker been in town anyway, three, four months? Climer the poarch monkey, he is boring and predictable. Ha, ha, the press does a story on the press reactions. Classic. They talk to themselves a lot don't they?

Vol_in_Mich writes:

Give it up Jack, you're outnumbered. I'm not really sure Butch made the right choice. I know is's just a bunch of Keyboard Kommandos & kids on these boards, but damn! The Vols have the best coach they could get, the only one dumb enough to want the job, maybe the next Miles or Saban & all they want to do is (a word I can't say on here)before he even gets started. He's a winner, not some sorry azzed lawyer with a name & Southern accent pretending to be a coach.
There are a lot of East Tennessee people in SW Mich who read these boards & you hillbillies are embarrasing the heII out of us.
I'm going back to VN, they're not much smarter, just a little more mature.
Give em HeII Butch!

wallingdad writes:

in response to NomDePlume:

Egads! This article kind of scared me a bit: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20...|newswell|text|Sports|s

Food for thought. I still support him, but if he Kiffens us I there's gonna be a problem.

"Kiffin" as a verb. that's funny. kind of reminds me of the upper blue bloods who "summer" at the hamptons and "winter in Orlando". you know....the "grey poupon" crowd. somehow I do not see Coach Jones in that crowd..

VolGrad writes:

Just read something about Bobby Petrino getting hired by Western Kentucky. Now talk about the likelihood of a short term commitment....

arkyvol writes:

i'm beginning to think, is it possible, that we got the steal of the year?

VolGrad writes:

in response to arkyvol:

i'm beginning to think, is it possible, that we got the steal of the year?

Don't think we'll know for sure until this time next year, but staffing and recruiting success should give us some insights. I'm "all in" as a fan.

Go Vols! This is Big Orange Country!!!

lemme_axya_this writes:

in response to Vol_in_Mich:

Give it up Jack, you're outnumbered. I'm not really sure Butch made the right choice. I know is's just a bunch of Keyboard Kommandos & kids on these boards, but damn! The Vols have the best coach they could get, the only one dumb enough to want the job, maybe the next Miles or Saban & all they want to do is (a word I can't say on here)before he even gets started. He's a winner, not some sorry azzed lawyer with a name & Southern accent pretending to be a coach.
There are a lot of East Tennessee people in SW Mich who read these boards & you hillbillies are embarrasing the heII out of us.
I'm going back to VN, they're not much smarter, just a little more mature.
Give em HeII Butch!

You won't be missed, only the few who read your last comment will know you are gone. Hope you find a "pole" to your liking.

calvolfromkingsport writes:

in response to lemme_axya_this:

Who names their son Herschel?

Who names their kid ...axya?

VolGrad writes:

in response to laraccoon:

some of those feeds make it sound like they were surprised Jones left Cincy .he interviewed with other schools , surely that must have been some kind of red flag he had other interests !

Absolutely correct. Those schools know that when they hire their coaches. Besides if a coach is successful anywhere there is always that possibility. It is a business.

Vol_in_Mich writes:

in response to lemme_axya_this:

You won't be missed, only the few who read your last comment will know you are gone. Hope you find a "pole" to your liking.

Don't know what kind of "pole" you're talking about there Jr. You've been on here less than a year & this is the B.S. you post, kinda proves my point. I was born in 1948 in Chattanooga (that's in Tn, in case you don't know)I was raised in Tn, went to school in Tn. ect. So shut the F up. You & people like you are a pox on a great University & the state of Tennessee. Why do I even care?

chattabluetick writes:

in response to VolGrad:

CBJ, Contact Vonn Bell now if you haven't already. Derrick Green should be near the top of that list as well.

Go Vols!

Also Eric Berry's brothers. I can't remember if they are 2013 or 2014 recruing class.

tdvol1989 writes:

in response to NomDePlume:

Egads! This article kind of scared me a bit: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20...|newswell|text|Sports|s

Food for thought. I still support him, but if he Kiffens us I there's gonna be a problem.

Look, Kiffin's love of USC was known. It was one of those rare situations where no matter what college team he would have been coaching, he would have left for USC. As big of a jerk as he really is, I do not believe he was leaving UT as much as going to his dream job.

As for Jones, there is no way you could ever consider Cincy a destination job for a great coach. All the intangibles about UT and coaching in the SEC that it seemed none of the other candidates respected, he understood.

And, if you are looking at other jobs, which many people do, you would like to keep the one you have until you find the next one. Most sane people don't quit their current job before getting another. And, in many cases, they intend to leave only if they find a very specific opportunity.

Finally, I will say that I am very happy with Butch Jones, but we got lucky. I do not believe other coaches were turning down UT as much as Dave Hart and Jimmy Cheek rubbed others the wrong way.

lemme_axya_this writes:

in response to Vol_in_Mich:

Don't know what kind of "pole" you're talking about there Jr. You've been on here less than a year & this is the B.S. you post, kinda proves my point. I was born in 1948 in Chattanooga (that's in Tn, in case you don't know)I was raised in Tn, went to school in Tn. ect. So shut the F up. You & people like you are a pox on a great University & the state of Tennessee. Why do I even care?

If you don't like personal insults directed at you, why do you still insult Dooley? I'll bet that sorry lawyer as you call him, knows the difference between a "pole" and a "poll".
I thought you were going back to Vol Nation.

therightstuff writes:

Well, i'll be a son of a bUTch.......

jjsteel writes:

Kiffen-ed should become a Websters term

racvol#234960 writes:

in response to NomDePlume:

Egads! This article kind of scared me a bit: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20...|newswell|text|Sports|s

Food for thought. I still support him, but if he Kiffens us I there's gonna be a problem.

Check out this article and see what a Cincinati player from Chattanooga and his father say about Jones.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/20...

Like what I hear!

govolsgo8586 writes:

Well now time to see how dedicated Tee Martin is to UT. Is he going to stay with that scumbag that bolted on UT and only cares about how he can recruit or is he going to come back to UT where he has fans who love him. I am a little concerned that he said that he is going to go back to SoCal to talk about it with his wife and then he said "we'll see what happens'' the only other logical explanation as to why he would say that is so he can have the time he needs to talk with Kiffen, the team, and his current recruits to let them know he is leaving to go to UT and he didn't want social media or the news telling them first. I just hope it wasn't him saying I need to get back to SoCal before I announce I am staying at USC so I am not around for the up roar for sticking with the slime that bolted on my alma mater lol. I guess we will find out in the next couple of days.

DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho writes:

As everyone is slobbering all over the new hire and pretending that they thought he should be the first choice overall, go back and reread some of these articles from when Dooley was hired:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/32...

http://norcalvol.wordpress.com/2010/0...

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/...

Everyone was really excited because Dooley wanted to be at UT and it mattered for NOTHING. Media didn't want to get their access cut off so they heaped praise on Dooley (and Kiffin before him). Everyone ignored his inability to win big games (just like Jones).

Admittedly, Jones has a better head coaching record overall than Dooley did coming in, but let's all remember how UT's fans love to convince themselves that they've just hired the second coming of Neyland every time we hire a new coach and ignore things like: Butch Jones has zero history recruiting SEC caliber players, his success has always come on the heels of Brian Kelly, and he's bringing a Big East caliber offensive and defensive coordinator to the SEC.

Skewer me as a troll if you want, but too often these message boards become an echo chamber and everyone loves commenting on his "character" of how UT is his dream job or he's a REAL coach (whatever the hell that means). In the end, he's going to run up against two deep, five star littered squads coached by the best in the world. All of these feel good compliments won't be worth much on saturdays in October, but I guess people like to enjoy while it's new.

Anyway...I'm going to be departing these boards because...why not? I'm tired of arguing with people about these mediocre football hires. People want to say "support the coach" without the coach actually winning or doing anything of note. Sorry. I graduated from UT, I didn't pledge my feudal loyalty to the AD's office.

So here's my prediction: In 4 years, Butch Jones will have beaten USC and UGA once apiece. He will have lost to UF and Bama each year. Inevitably, he will be fired in his fourth year because he won't be able to top more than 8 wins in a season. That's my prediction. Remember, it's easier to lose than win in the SEC.

Be sure to rip me for trying to be objective. Also, know that I don't care if he was the best coach we could get. That doesn't mean he will win SEC championships at UT.

Vol_in_Mich writes:

in response to lemme_axya_this:

If you don't like personal insults directed at you, why do you still insult Dooley? I'll bet that sorry lawyer as you call him, knows the difference between a "pole" and a "poll".
I thought you were going back to Vol Nation.

I checked in with VN & did my Bowl picks. Came back after supper. I didn't insult Dooley, I stated a well known fact & my opinion. Unlike some, I've never called him names like Dooleave, ect. I don't have time to think of them all. I really don't know where you came from recently & I don't really care if you are a new poster or just a new name for an old one (that's usually limited to the Fulmerites, but who knows)
I really don't give a poo (not my word) what you think about anything, but if you are really a Vol fan, you've got a guy that just may take you back to the promised land (beating Fla,)You should support him instead of showing your butt. If this don't work, who knows if anyone else worth a poot will ever come to K-ville.
Think about it, butt hole.
UT Vols, Home of butt chugging frat boys & booger eating university leaders. That's something my nephew will be proud of when he graduates this spring. Glad the younger one chose MTSU & my Granddaughter is a Jr at UGA.
So Poo on you!
Give em heII Butch!

I'm loaded or I wouldn't be messing with a turd like you!
Before you jump on my spelling. I told you that I was loaded.
I'm excited about Vol football like I am every fall. Maybe you should be too, even if it's not fall yet.

Vol43 writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

As everyone is slobbering all over the new hire and pretending that they thought he should be the first choice overall, go back and reread some of these articles from when Dooley was hired:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/32...

http://norcalvol.wordpress.com/2010/0...

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/...

Everyone was really excited because Dooley wanted to be at UT and it mattered for NOTHING. Media didn't want to get their access cut off so they heaped praise on Dooley (and Kiffin before him). Everyone ignored his inability to win big games (just like Jones).

Admittedly, Jones has a better head coaching record overall than Dooley did coming in, but let's all remember how UT's fans love to convince themselves that they've just hired the second coming of Neyland every time we hire a new coach and ignore things like: Butch Jones has zero history recruiting SEC caliber players, his success has always come on the heels of Brian Kelly, and he's bringing a Big East caliber offensive and defensive coordinator to the SEC.

Skewer me as a troll if you want, but too often these message boards become an echo chamber and everyone loves commenting on his "character" of how UT is his dream job or he's a REAL coach (whatever the hell that means). In the end, he's going to run up against two deep, five star littered squads coached by the best in the world. All of these feel good compliments won't be worth much on saturdays in October, but I guess people like to enjoy while it's new.

Anyway...I'm going to be departing these boards because...why not? I'm tired of arguing with people about these mediocre football hires. People want to say "support the coach" without the coach actually winning or doing anything of note. Sorry. I graduated from UT, I didn't pledge my feudal loyalty to the AD's office.

So here's my prediction: In 4 years, Butch Jones will have beaten USC and UGA once apiece. He will have lost to UF and Bama each year. Inevitably, he will be fired in his fourth year because he won't be able to top more than 8 wins in a season. That's my prediction. Remember, it's easier to lose than win in the SEC.

Be sure to rip me for trying to be objective. Also, know that I don't care if he was the best coach we could get. That doesn't mean he will win SEC championships at UT.

So you're really, really gone? For sure? This not a tease is it? You want us to beg, that's it, you want us to beg. Sorry charlie, not gonna happen. See ya in a few days

Colliervol writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

As everyone is slobbering all over the new hire and pretending that they thought he should be the first choice overall, go back and reread some of these articles from when Dooley was hired:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/32...

http://norcalvol.wordpress.com/2010/0...

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/...

Everyone was really excited because Dooley wanted to be at UT and it mattered for NOTHING. Media didn't want to get their access cut off so they heaped praise on Dooley (and Kiffin before him). Everyone ignored his inability to win big games (just like Jones).

Admittedly, Jones has a better head coaching record overall than Dooley did coming in, but let's all remember how UT's fans love to convince themselves that they've just hired the second coming of Neyland every time we hire a new coach and ignore things like: Butch Jones has zero history recruiting SEC caliber players, his success has always come on the heels of Brian Kelly, and he's bringing a Big East caliber offensive and defensive coordinator to the SEC.

Skewer me as a troll if you want, but too often these message boards become an echo chamber and everyone loves commenting on his "character" of how UT is his dream job or he's a REAL coach (whatever the hell that means). In the end, he's going to run up against two deep, five star littered squads coached by the best in the world. All of these feel good compliments won't be worth much on saturdays in October, but I guess people like to enjoy while it's new.

Anyway...I'm going to be departing these boards because...why not? I'm tired of arguing with people about these mediocre football hires. People want to say "support the coach" without the coach actually winning or doing anything of note. Sorry. I graduated from UT, I didn't pledge my feudal loyalty to the AD's office.

So here's my prediction: In 4 years, Butch Jones will have beaten USC and UGA once apiece. He will have lost to UF and Bama each year. Inevitably, he will be fired in his fourth year because he won't be able to top more than 8 wins in a season. That's my prediction. Remember, it's easier to lose than win in the SEC.

Be sure to rip me for trying to be objective. Also, know that I don't care if he was the best coach we could get. That doesn't mean he will win SEC championships at UT.

"It's easier to lose than win in the SEC." It's also easier to whine than to be positive. As for me, I'm going to give him a chance. Do what you like. If that includes leaving, knock yourself out. Ain't nobody going to miss you. The real fans will be here trying our best to support the program.

orangecountyvols writes:

Guys,

Don't be to concerned with "Dwayne Elizabeth."
His 'predictions' are worthless here.

But that's par for the course with the trolls.

POTSVol (Inactive) writes:

in response to NomDePlume:

Egads! This article kind of scared me a bit: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20...|newswell|text|Sports|s

Food for thought. I still support him, but if he Kiffens us I there's gonna be a problem.

Those that read this article, did you notice the opinion poll at the bottom asking if the readers felt betrayed by Jones? The needle pointed convincingly to NO. LOL Their own readers didn't feel as bad about Jones leaving as Paul Daugherty does in the article.

I think the general public, even UC fans, see UC as a stepping stone program. Always has been, always will be.

orangecountyvols writes:

CollierVol,

Well said. Notice Dwayne Elizabeth sounds eerily like the 'un-professional handicapper.'
We all know how accurate that one is.

Best news however is that this troll will be departing the site. Makes for a really great day.

golfman1975 writes:

in response to CCLC:

...who names their kid "Butch"?

You put it on the tee and I am going to nail it about 350 yards, straight into you big wind...His mom and dad....If you need any more information all you have to do is ask.

golfman1975 writes:

Coming up next...what do the fans think about what the media says about the hire...STAND BY FOR NEWS!!!! I miss Paul Harvey! We would get the RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRest of the story!

VolGrad writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

As everyone is slobbering all over the new hire and pretending that they thought he should be the first choice overall, go back and reread some of these articles from when Dooley was hired:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/32...

http://norcalvol.wordpress.com/2010/0...

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/...

Everyone was really excited because Dooley wanted to be at UT and it mattered for NOTHING. Media didn't want to get their access cut off so they heaped praise on Dooley (and Kiffin before him). Everyone ignored his inability to win big games (just like Jones).

Admittedly, Jones has a better head coaching record overall than Dooley did coming in, but let's all remember how UT's fans love to convince themselves that they've just hired the second coming of Neyland every time we hire a new coach and ignore things like: Butch Jones has zero history recruiting SEC caliber players, his success has always come on the heels of Brian Kelly, and he's bringing a Big East caliber offensive and defensive coordinator to the SEC.

Skewer me as a troll if you want, but too often these message boards become an echo chamber and everyone loves commenting on his "character" of how UT is his dream job or he's a REAL coach (whatever the hell that means). In the end, he's going to run up against two deep, five star littered squads coached by the best in the world. All of these feel good compliments won't be worth much on saturdays in October, but I guess people like to enjoy while it's new.

Anyway...I'm going to be departing these boards because...why not? I'm tired of arguing with people about these mediocre football hires. People want to say "support the coach" without the coach actually winning or doing anything of note. Sorry. I graduated from UT, I didn't pledge my feudal loyalty to the AD's office.

So here's my prediction: In 4 years, Butch Jones will have beaten USC and UGA once apiece. He will have lost to UF and Bama each year. Inevitably, he will be fired in his fourth year because he won't be able to top more than 8 wins in a season. That's my prediction. Remember, it's easier to lose than win in the SEC.

Be sure to rip me for trying to be objective. Also, know that I don't care if he was the best coach we could get. That doesn't mean he will win SEC championships at UT.

Please don't claim to be objective while using broad statements like "everyone is slobbering all over the new hire" and "everyone was really excited because Dooley wanted to be at UT...."

I guess that would make you the "only" objective voice here. Well, don't look now, but your pomposity is showing.

CarlChilders writes:

Resentment coming from the program he left indicates they approved of the job he was doing. Few of us would turn down a lucrative job opportunity. Seriously UC fans, your P.O.'d and you can't even fill a 35,000 seat stadium?

VolFanInTheBoro (Inactive) writes:

in response to orangecountyvols:

CollierVol,

Well said. Notice Dwayne Elizabeth sounds eerily like the 'un-professional handicapper.'
We all know how accurate that one is.

Best news however is that this troll will be departing the site. Makes for a really great day.

Orangecounty, it would be nice if he would leave the site but I doubt it will happen. He will at least reappear with another user name

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