UT tops SEC for recruiting expenses

The University of Tennessee men's sports teams aren't churning out national champions like other SEC schools, but the Vols are clear champions when it comes to their recruiting budget.

According to the website BusinessofCollegeSports.com, UT men's teams spent more than $1.8 million on recruiting in the 2010-11 year. That's tops in the SEC by a substantial margin.

Auburn was No. 2, spending a little more than $1.5 million, according to the website.

By comparison, the Lady Vols spent $417,252, the second highest total in the SEC. Auburn was the SEC's top spender on the women's side, with a budget of $586,728.

The recruiting budget data is based on information that schools provide to the U.S. Department of Education. "Although this data is not perfect, it is the only data available for both public and private institutions," the website says.

Highest recruiting expenses, 2010-11

1. Tennessee: $2,296,023 (Men’s: $1,878,771/Women’s: $417,252)

2. Auburn: $2,117,645 (Men’s: $1,530,917/Women’s: $586,728)

3. Notre Dame: $2,070,316 (Men’s: $1,612,608/Women’s: $457,708)

4. Alabama: $1,694,202 (Men’s: $1,339,537/Women’s: $354,665)

5. Georgia: $1,540,743 (Men’s: $1,039,220/Women’s: $501,523)

6. Florida: $1,501,899 (Men’s: $1,065,716/Women’s: $436,183)

7. Georgia Tech: $1,489,599 (Men’s: $1,173,904/Women’s: $315,695)

8. Arkansas: $1,480,557 (Men’s: $1,060,500/Women’s: $420,057)

9. Michigan: $1,480,357 (Men’s: $1,039,948/Women’s: $440,409)

10. Texas: $1,470,389 (Men’s: $989,370/Women’s: $481,019)

Ranking the SEC

1. Tennessee $2,296,023

2. Auburn $2,117,645

3. Alabama $1,694,202

4. Georgia $1,540,743

5. Florida $1,501,899

6. Arkansas $1,480,557

7. Kentucky $1,260,065

8. Vanderbilt $1,068,482

9. Ole Miss $982,959

10. LSU $927,990

11. Missouri $861,859

List only included top 50 schools. Totals for Mississippi State, Texas A&M and South Carolina were not included.

Source: The Business of College Sports (http://businessofcollegesports.com)

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volsmith writes:

We ought to be doing better, if that's the case.

murrayvol writes:

LSU's getting considerable bang for the buck. It pays to raise your own.

BruisedOrange writes:

Demographics and geography. Got no choice but to.

Tacamo01 writes:

UT is doing good to get the recruits they have. Florida, Texas and California were listed as the having the best football players out of HS. Takes a strong sell on the program and many trips to get kids to uproot and travel far. Especially when each state has outstanding programs of there own usually in the top 25. Takes $$$.

wallingdad writes:

in response to Tacamo01:

UT is doing good to get the recruits they have. Florida, Texas and California were listed as the having the best football players out of HS. Takes a strong sell on the program and many trips to get kids to uproot and travel far. Especially when each state has outstanding programs of there own usually in the top 25. Takes $$$.

why doesn't tennessee have a decent product coming out of HS? I realize that we do have some great players but not many. why does Ga or Alabama have better athletes on the whole. is the HS system flawed in tennessee? I really have often wondered why we lag behind so many states.

madmax22 writes:

Of course Bammar and Auburn's money goes directly to the recruits.

TheFuj writes:

The state of TN is a challenge. Part of TN is 8 hours away. Seems like Knox county did away with middle school football because of costs. Not sure if that is the case, but if so, that will always hurt Knox county kids. We use to get more kids out of SC, but Clemson and SC get most of the top talent. GA, AL, AU get Georgia and Alabama talent. We do need better recruiters. I am sure Coach Baggett is a good man, just not sure he could reel in the young players nowadays. Recruiting is the name of the game.

kdaff51 writes:

in response to volsmith:

We ought to be doing better, if that's the case.

Not really. Compare UT and FLA. We (UT) have to go further to get kids because our instate talent isn't that good whereas Fl just walks out the back door and hand picks em....same could be said for BAMA, GA, etc......

Halls3 writes:

in response to TheFuj:

The state of TN is a challenge. Part of TN is 8 hours away. Seems like Knox county did away with middle school football because of costs. Not sure if that is the case, but if so, that will always hurt Knox county kids. We use to get more kids out of SC, but Clemson and SC get most of the top talent. GA, AL, AU get Georgia and Alabama talent. We do need better recruiters. I am sure Coach Baggett is a good man, just not sure he could reel in the young players nowadays. Recruiting is the name of the game.

You are correct East Tennessee is all rec league until high school. However, there is still at least 5-10 D-1 prospects who come out of the East Tennessee area each year. Lock the Top 5 up in this area, take the next best 5 in middle/west, hammer North Georgia, Western North Carolina, South Virginia, & then cherry pick a couple from Florida, Texas, Alabama, etc. & you could have a very good team. Remember, back in the day many UT players were from the area, tended to play harder for the school, & were more successful at the end of the day b/c of it.

troken writes:

Must be a lot of lunches/dinners and playing golf... Sure not #1 classes in recruiting or even close...

hcjournals#206623 writes:

It will pay off. Money very well spent....Go Big..........Or......................You know.....

Orange_Pants_Buy_One_Get_One_Free writes:

Yet ut will sign the 6th or 7th best class in the SEC on Feb. 1. Not much bang for your buck.

The mediocrity will continue.

RustyVol writes:

in response to Halls3:

You are correct East Tennessee is all rec league until high school. However, there is still at least 5-10 D-1 prospects who come out of the East Tennessee area each year. Lock the Top 5 up in this area, take the next best 5 in middle/west, hammer North Georgia, Western North Carolina, South Virginia, & then cherry pick a couple from Florida, Texas, Alabama, etc. & you could have a very good team. Remember, back in the day many UT players were from the area, tended to play harder for the school, & were more successful at the end of the day b/c of it.

Nope you are wrong about that. Every county around Knox Co. except Loudon and McMinn have middle school programs coached by coaches other than dads. Most also have rec leagues and little league teams also, but kids when they are old enough and in the correct grade play middle school. The private schools in Knox Co. (Webb, Grace, and Catholic) also have middle school programs in place.
As for why the why the state does not produce D1 talent the likely cause is most of the schools outside the bigger cities just don't get the student/players that the cities do. Plus most of the schools in the outlying cities are AAA or below. Almost every college coach that I have known never recruits a AAA or lower player because they just haven't played the level of competition that they need. Unless of course a kid is Herschel Walker then everyone is after them. lol.

crimsonviper writes:

in response to BodeaneVol:

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Your post looks like the gov's nose..Can't keep it out of other peoples biz.

TheFuj writes:

in response to Halls3:

You are correct East Tennessee is all rec league until high school. However, there is still at least 5-10 D-1 prospects who come out of the East Tennessee area each year. Lock the Top 5 up in this area, take the next best 5 in middle/west, hammer North Georgia, Western North Carolina, South Virginia, & then cherry pick a couple from Florida, Texas, Alabama, etc. & you could have a very good team. Remember, back in the day many UT players were from the area, tended to play harder for the school, & were more successful at the end of the day b/c of it.

Maybe at best 5 D-1 players in East TN, but really never think 10. GA has the players, but most are Atlanta and South. Western Carolina produces very little D-1.
I do think surrounding counties have middle school football. Most schools are not very big though, so just does not promote D-1 talent.
Rec ball cost money. If you just have a few not play, that cuts into the talent pool.

TheFuj writes:

in response to Halls3:

You are correct East Tennessee is all rec league until high school. However, there is still at least 5-10 D-1 prospects who come out of the East Tennessee area each year. Lock the Top 5 up in this area, take the next best 5 in middle/west, hammer North Georgia, Western North Carolina, South Virginia, & then cherry pick a couple from Florida, Texas, Alabama, etc. & you could have a very good team. Remember, back in the day many UT players were from the area, tended to play harder for the school, & were more successful at the end of the day b/c of it.

Also, when we say D-1 talent, I mean SEC D-1 talent.

Confucius writes:

A fool and his money are soon parted.

oldster writes:

All that money and the Vols are so desperate that they spend more of it, one of the few remaining visits they are allowed, and one of the few remaining scholarshiipt to a two star defensive end. We fans were hoping for a great, last minute recruiting coup such as Dooley has pulled off before. Oh well, I am becoming used to having my hopes for UT athletics crushed.

ClemCash writes:

Just wish some of that cash would land a 5-star recruit every now and again. Our two biggest rivals, UF and Alabama, land 5-stars seemingly at will, both with 3 this year ( so far). Fulmer could land 5-star kids regularly!

volaholic45 writes:

Looks like evidence of trying to me. GBO

Halls3 writes:

in response to TheFuj:

Maybe at best 5 D-1 players in East TN, but really never think 10. GA has the players, but most are Atlanta and South. Western Carolina produces very little D-1.
I do think surrounding counties have middle school football. Most schools are not very big though, so just does not promote D-1 talent.
Rec ball cost money. If you just have a few not play, that cuts into the talent pool.

Perception & reality are 2 different things. Perception is East Tennessee has no SEC talent when in reality we do. You are right maybe only 5 but still you have to land those kids. Just in recent memory Chad Pennington, the Colquitts, Cobb, Lee Smith, Harrison Smith, etc. have all made it to the NFL. Devrin young, the Reveiz brothers, Downs, Robinette, Aaron Douglas (God rest his soul), Toney, Mobley & others have made it to the SEC. Heck Bama has a kid from Powell & another is at Michigan State. That's quite a few players I can think of just off the top of my head. There are talented players here & most of the time these underrated kids check their ego at the door & play with heart. Da'Rick Rogers is a great player but his, along with others, ego is killing this team. I still say we have 10 kids in Tennessee who are D-1 talents every year.

rockytopinga writes:

Boy - All that money and nothing to show for it!!!

IndyVolFan writes:

A reason Tennessee does not have the kids, is the development all the way thru HS. Here in Indiana, they start Bantam at 4 and the high school coach is involved in the Bantam system. They run the exact same plays with the same terminology from 4 to 18. Also, our middle schools have 4 teams (7th A & B, 8th A & B). Plus we have 2 middle schools. Once a kids reaches HS, he is almost forbidden to play multiple sports and it is "encouraged" to go to a sports trainer ($100-250 per month) to work on strength, conditioning, and SPEED).

A couple of years ago we had 3 schools from our conference (Met. Ind Conf. - MIC) nationally ranked at one time (Warren Central, Carmel, and Center Grove).

We usually have between 3 to as many as 8 major D1 kids every year from just this conference. I saw the paper this week and I think there are about 20-30 kids getting D1 scholarships in the metro area.

I played at Volunteer up near Kingsport in the 80's and we didn't have the type of development or community commitment they have here today. Not a knock on Church Hill, there just wasn't the money available to field this kind of program. We had home-grown farm boys that worked hay during the summer to get stronger and never thought of trying to find a sports medicine facility to work on speed (I don't think any existed back then).

The other thing some of these big schools up here do is have a full-time recruiting coordinator on their staff. They assemble video and send them out to colleges. That's a big reason Warren Central has their entire starting 22 getting scholarships somewhere (http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&...). There aren't as many stars as some who gaze would like to see, but most of the Big 10 is filled with these 3-4 stars including Wisconsin's mauler OL. I really think the stars are garnered if the kid is fortunate enough to have parents who can afford to send him to a camp where he can be recognized. That's why I'm not as concerned as most who continually star gaze.

IndyVolFan writes:

Post continued:

The families do have to pay for this level of involvement. I have to pay $180-250 per kid per year to rent books and a big chunk of our taxes go to schools. Bantam FB is about $220 per year, baseball $150, and basketball $125. The fields for all MIC schools are the same as the Colts play on and several small colleges have told recruits that their facilities aren't as nice as what they had in HS.

I was in Dallas (Grapevine) for a conference last fall and they are even bigger down there. Until Tennesseans commit huge amounts of money to develop the kids, UT will have to look elsewhere most of the time to keep up with the Jones.

I really can't wait to move back to Knoxville (as soon as I can sell my house without losing my rear). I'm sick of the politics that come with this 'excellence'.

texasvols writes:

Go back and watch the nat. title game, 5 of the starters on both alabama/lsu were from tenn. and one of them was upshaw.

orangeman1 writes:

If UT had better relations with Memphis area schools UT wouldnt need to get as many out of state. Of course, most people in Memphis area dont like UT, but there is always alot of talent there. Nashville has a little and so does E TN. Too bad Kiffin or Dooley couldnt "lock down" the state.

snakeplissken writes:

in response to orangeman1:

If UT had better relations with Memphis area schools UT wouldnt need to get as many out of state. Of course, most people in Memphis area dont like UT, but there is always alot of talent there. Nashville has a little and so does E TN. Too bad Kiffin or Dooley couldnt "lock down" the state.

Our coaching staff hasn't had good relations with any school in the state because they don't know them. While other SEC staffs have raided our state attending high school football games on Friday nights, being seen by coaches and players, our staff has been at home. Dooley and his staff needs to get off their banking-hour butts!
To say there's no talent in this state is ridiculous. Odd that Alabama, Arkansas, Clemson, and Auburn got commitments this year from our Tennessee high schoolers - yet they weren't recruited by Tennessee???

manniesghost1903 writes:

Some day a head coach will come to UT to bring glory to the university's football program. In the meantime you can borrow my DVD's of UT vs Miami; UT vs Notre Dame and UT vs Florida State. Ah, Good Ole Days are gone forever! (Victor McLaughlin in "She Wore A Yellow Ribbon").

movinonup writes:

I am sitting here chanting "We're no. 1 ! We're no. 1 !" I know it's lame but it's been so long since I have been able to do this.......

absolutenill writes:

I really don't care how much we spent. If you want to keep me interested how about you find out HOW it was spent. That I AM curious about.

RealisticVol writes:

We're #1, we're #1 we're #1. Well we have to have something to chant about. : [

orangeman1 writes:

in response to absolutenill:

I really don't care how much we spent. If you want to keep me interested how about you find out HOW it was spent. That I AM curious about.

HOstesses aint cheap

bigdisbig writes:

in response to wallingdad:

why doesn't tennessee have a decent product coming out of HS? I realize that we do have some great players but not many. why does Ga or Alabama have better athletes on the whole. is the HS system flawed in tennessee? I really have often wondered why we lag behind so many states.

Like it or not, Tennessee is the "whitest" state in the south. Its a historic fact that most of the best football players are black. The majority of Tennessee's blacks are in Memphis and Memphis is not that UT friendly.

SewaneeVolFan writes:

I'm not sure why some folks are turning this into a negative. Would UT's recruiting be better if they spent less? Doesn't seem like that would make sense. Is it possible -- or even remotely desirable -- to decide that a recruit or a recruiting class is only worth this much money considering how many stars they get or how well they play in high school? That Goldman is worth X dollars and Santos Y dollars?

Recruiting is so far from exact that it can't really be called an art, much less a science at all. As we all know, its bases are that illusion called potential and the shifting sands of high school measurables. (There can't really be that many kids running 4.4's out there, can there?) No direct or one to one relationship exists -- or can exist, I'd think -- between the recruiting budget and the quality of the recruits. The recruitment money a school spends is really to get in the best POSITION to get a recruit, not to serve as a cost/benefit ratio.

But if that money is going towards bringing them in for visits, for visiting and calling the recruits, it would seem that whether you get the top recruits or not, you have better chances if you DO spend the money.

I have a very hard time believing that Coach Dooley and his staff work bankers' hours on their recruiting. I have been impressed with the results so far under HCDD, achieved under extremely difficult conditions (murderous SEC competition, losing record, coaching changes), and I continue to believe that this class will be better than the previous two and will contribute to even the naysayers agreeing as some point that the recruiting budget is money well spent.

Theo writes:

in response to jrod:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

How do you figure that nowhere in this article is the point you make discussed? Good God, what are we doing in our journalism schools?

Theo writes:

in response to wallingdad:

why doesn't tennessee have a decent product coming out of HS? I realize that we do have some great players but not many. why does Ga or Alabama have better athletes on the whole. is the HS system flawed in tennessee? I really have often wondered why we lag behind so many states.

Hmm, I hate to guess without checking the data but here goes.
I think Georgia has a higher population than TN.
I think Georgia has a higher minority population than TN.
I think you would find that there are perhaps more football recruits coming out of Alabama but maybe not basketball recruits. Football is king in Alabama. Would expect the reverse to be true in Ky. So I guess part is pure demographics and part is single sport emphasis.

VOLSFORLIFE writes:

in response to IndyVolFan:

A reason Tennessee does not have the kids, is the development all the way thru HS. Here in Indiana, they start Bantam at 4 and the high school coach is involved in the Bantam system. They run the exact same plays with the same terminology from 4 to 18. Also, our middle schools have 4 teams (7th A & B, 8th A & B). Plus we have 2 middle schools. Once a kids reaches HS, he is almost forbidden to play multiple sports and it is "encouraged" to go to a sports trainer ($100-250 per month) to work on strength, conditioning, and SPEED).

A couple of years ago we had 3 schools from our conference (Met. Ind Conf. - MIC) nationally ranked at one time (Warren Central, Carmel, and Center Grove).

We usually have between 3 to as many as 8 major D1 kids every year from just this conference. I saw the paper this week and I think there are about 20-30 kids getting D1 scholarships in the metro area.

I played at Volunteer up near Kingsport in the 80's and we didn't have the type of development or community commitment they have here today. Not a knock on Church Hill, there just wasn't the money available to field this kind of program. We had home-grown farm boys that worked hay during the summer to get stronger and never thought of trying to find a sports medicine facility to work on speed (I don't think any existed back then).

The other thing some of these big schools up here do is have a full-time recruiting coordinator on their staff. They assemble video and send them out to colleges. That's a big reason Warren Central has their entire starting 22 getting scholarships somewhere (http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&...). There aren't as many stars as some who gaze would like to see, but most of the Big 10 is filled with these 3-4 stars including Wisconsin's mauler OL. I really think the stars are garnered if the kid is fortunate enough to have parents who can afford to send him to a camp where he can be recognized. That's why I'm not as concerned as most who continually star gaze.

The one school system that would come close to what u have spoke of in Tn. is Maryville high school. They start kids out at 6 years of age on their attentions to develope the kids for the High school level. Yes many of the kids that can afford it will also have personal trainers. With the system they have in place is why they are the elite program in the state of the Tennessee.

RashaadSalabeb writes:

Good job UT! Let's go get the best there is out there! Put the word out....UT is coming your way!

Go Vols!

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