Arkansas football coach John L. Smith facing bankruptcy

FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. (AP) — John L. Smith always believed real estate development was the safest investment of all, saying "you may not make money, but you won't lose money."

The Arkansas coach has had to rethink that philosophy in recent years after several of his land deals went bust in Kentucky. Smith told The Associated Press that he is making plans to declare bankruptcy, perhaps during the upcoming season.

"There have been some sleepless nights trying to get this resolved," Smith said. "There comes a point in time where you say 'Enough is enough,' and I want it cleaned up and whatever we have to do, we have to do."

Smith, also a former coach at Michigan State and Louisville, was hired in April to replace Bobby Petrino, who was fired after revelations that he had hired his mistress to a position in the football department and given her $20,000 in gifts. Smith was an Arkansas assistant for three seasons under Petrino before leaving in December to become the coach at his alma mater, Weber State.

Following Petrino's firing, Smith approached Arkansas athletic director Jeff Long about the job as was later signed to a 10-month, $850,000 contract. Long said Smith was up front about his financial problems during the hiring process, and he was comfortable the issues wouldn't affect Smith's ability to coach the Razorbacks.

"Certainly, initially, I had concerns, but as he explained the situation to me, it clearly became a bad investment," Long said. "There's a large differentiation for me between what we had just gone through and someone who had made a bad financial decision and put himself in a financial difficulty. But at the same there, there was nothing inappropriate other than he had engaged in a risky financial deal."

Smith said his land investments began through acquaintances while he was the coach at Louisville from 1998-2002, starting with one subdivision development and evolving from there.

As the real estate market began to slow several years ago, Smith said, he and his partners faced a difficult time maintaining their investments.

"It just got big," Smith said, who described his stake as being in the "multi-millions."

"It was a situation where we all made a little and said, 'Well, that's good. Let's see if we can make a little more,'" he said. "At that point, the bank was willing to give away money. We got in over our head with land, and then the bubble burst and all this land value dropped and we couldn't sustain it."

Smith wasn't sure exactly how much money he owed to creditors, including some of his former partners, but he has started preparing to declare bankruptcy now. He wasn't 100 percent certain he'll have to declare, but said "that's where I am proceeding to get my plate cleaned up."

One of Smith's former partners, John Mason, filed for bankruptcy in December in Kentucky, listing Smith as one of his creditors. Mason's attorney, Julie Ann O'Bryan, didn't immediately respond to e-mails sent by The Associated Press on Tuesday, but in his bankruptcy filing he listed liabilities totaling between $10 million and $50 million.

Mason's filing listed $250,000 in debt to one of Smith's investment limited liability corporations, while also listing an unknown amount of debt to Smith personally. The filing also listed numerous banks as creditors, with Fifth Third Bank in North Carolina listed as the largest. Barbara Grimsley, a spokeswoman for Fifth Third Bank, said Tuesday it was the bank's policy not to comment on customer accounts.

Smith is represented by attorney Jim Dowden in Little Rock and has representation in Kentucky.

"I think everybody got into this real estate deal, hoping to make a bunch of money," Dowden said. "Just like there are prominent families in northwest Arkansas that did, but unfortunately the recession hit and here we are."

Smith said the primary reason he's talking now is so his personal financial problems don't become a distraction during the season. The Razorbacks are expected to begin the season ranked in the top 10, with Heisman Trophy candidates at quarterback (Tyler Wilson) and running back (Knile Davis).

"From a personal standpoint, I don't want the university being embarrassed, but I'm not embarrassed," Smith said. "It's something that's happened. I made some mistakes, and to be honest with you, I'm a football coach, not a businessman."

Long, who is continuing to research potential candidates for a long-term solution as head coach — including Smith — said he doesn't believe Smith's personal financial problems will influence his ability to coach.

"I think the people that want to make more out of it than there is here will do that, regardless," Long said. "But I think those will be the minority. This is clearly to me a man who has made a poor financial choice, and I think if we look across our society today, especially in these times, we will see many very good people leading their organizations who have made some poor financial decisions. That's the way I see it."

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Tau_of_Tennessee writes:

A wise man once told me to never mistake a bull market for brains. Real estate is like any other asset, subject to the vagaries of supply and demand.

springtx_vol writes:

That is why I am a Dave Ramsey fan. Don't go into debt to try to make money. Cash is king. Yes, you may not make a lot of money quickly by leveraging assets, but you will never be in debt up to your eyeballs, either.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

And I thought UT paid on the low end..

Vols20 writes:

Reading stuff like this ticks me off! I promise the following is not to boast but to make a point? My wife and I are both in education and make comfortable living, but obviously nothing close to to the millions that Coach Smith has made in his career. We are in our 30s and have zero debt except for our home. We paid for two Master's degrees and paid off two vehicles in the first five years we were married, and continue to, put a portion in Roth IRA, put back for kid's college funds, add to an emergency fund, and we give 10 percent to the Lord. I don't feel sorry for this guy one bit. He has made millions of dollars, and is filing bankruptcy. A little responsibility goes a long way!

Vols20 writes:

Sorry for grammatical errors in last post. I am typing on an iPad and not too efficient with it.

lemme_axya_this writes:

in response to Vols20:

Sorry for grammatical errors in last post. I am typing on an iPad and not too efficient with it.

With all due respect, his story isn't nearly as ridiculous as some.
(Antoine Walker and Scottie Pippen come to mind)
As far as grammatical errors go, they're is know excuse four them on this sight;

SevenT writes:

John L Smith had it made when he was at Louisville. The whole town loved him and he had some very good seasons.

He got sucked into the real estate developer's web of "big bragging mouth with the borrowed bucks" they used John L because he had equity. Now he is paying the price for playing with the snakes.

RoadTrip writes:

in response to Vols20:

Reading stuff like this ticks me off! I promise the following is not to boast but to make a point? My wife and I are both in education and make comfortable living, but obviously nothing close to to the millions that Coach Smith has made in his career. We are in our 30s and have zero debt except for our home. We paid for two Master's degrees and paid off two vehicles in the first five years we were married, and continue to, put a portion in Roth IRA, put back for kid's college funds, add to an emergency fund, and we give 10 percent to the Lord. I don't feel sorry for this guy one bit. He has made millions of dollars, and is filing bankruptcy. A little responsibility goes a long way!

Similar story, different occupations, different ages. Now that we are around 60, we look back and smile. Tithed to church and retirement. Stayed out of debt except for the home mortgage. Retired in our 50s. No debt, nice home, retirement funds are set, still tithing. Not bragging either, just know that if you do what makes sense and is right by scriptures, it will work out well for you. The expressions of 'a fool and his money are soon parted' and 'do not be a servant of debt' come to mind.

Dave Ramsey speaks truth. JLS and others like him should listen.

BluezVol writes:

If you believe the real estate mess occurred in 2008, you're wrong. It erupted in 2008. The seeds were planted in the mid-90s. The WSJ had an excellent article a couple of years ago which detailed the path that has led us to where we are today. "Irrational exuberance" didn't just have a field day in stocks/bonds - it hit real estate as well.

Henley-Street-Bridge writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

And I thought UT paid on the low end..

No Coach Dooley and Martin, you're paid about what you've delivering on the field, less than average in wins vs losses.

murrayvol writes:

in response to springtx_vol:

That is why I am a Dave Ramsey fan. Don't go into debt to try to make money. Cash is king. Yes, you may not make a lot of money quickly by leveraging assets, but you will never be in debt up to your eyeballs, either.

Likewise. Just wish Dave had come along about 20 years earlier. I guess he had to go bust before becoming a true believer.

murrayvol writes:

in response to Henley-Street-Bridge:

No Coach Dooley and Martin, you're paid about what you've delivering on the field, less than average in wins vs losses.

And now a word from the intellectually bankrupt.

mountainbrook writes:

in response to Henley-Street-Bridge:

No Coach Dooley and Martin, you're paid about what you've delivering on the field, less than average in wins vs losses.

Fulmer was way overpaid by that standard since he had 2 losing seasons in his last 4 years.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to Henley-Street-Bridge:

No Coach Dooley and Martin, you're paid about what you've delivering on the field, less than average in wins vs losses.

Were you home-schooled by Carl Childers??

volvann writes:

in response to RoadTrip:

Similar story, different occupations, different ages. Now that we are around 60, we look back and smile. Tithed to church and retirement. Stayed out of debt except for the home mortgage. Retired in our 50s. No debt, nice home, retirement funds are set, still tithing. Not bragging either, just know that if you do what makes sense and is right by scriptures, it will work out well for you. The expressions of 'a fool and his money are soon parted' and 'do not be a servant of debt' come to mind.

Dave Ramsey speaks truth. JLS and others like him should listen.

Both posts are great, now if only liberals and politicians would read and listen to Ramsey's material, this country would have no debt and people would be working instead of waiting on hand-outs. By the way, we proudly quit my wife out of her medical professional job last August by following Ramsey's plan and now she can occupy her seat in the stadium every weekend.

Vols20 writes:

in response to volvann:

Both posts are great, now if only liberals and politicians would read and listen to Ramsey's material, this country would have no debt and people would be working instead of waiting on hand-outs. By the way, we proudly quit my wife out of her medical professional job last August by following Ramsey's plan and now she can occupy her seat in the stadium every weekend.

Proud for you and your wife. You lived like no one else so that you can now live like no one else. I hope you guys enjoy the 2012 football season. I think Coach Dooley and staff will have em ready. Go Vols!

RoadTrip writes:

in response to BluezVol:

If you believe the real estate mess occurred in 2008, you're wrong. It erupted in 2008. The seeds were planted in the mid-90s. The WSJ had an excellent article a couple of years ago which detailed the path that has led us to where we are today. "Irrational exuberance" didn't just have a field day in stocks/bonds - it hit real estate as well.

Excellent post. The WSJ article was correct. Been there, done that. Saw it unfold and advised some that should have known better to refrain. They didn't and paid a big price.

pdhuff#552644 writes:

in response to murrayvol:

And now a word from the intellectually bankrupt.

I have found alum cans to pay me up to $24.00 a month.

Note the "up to".

RoadTrip writes:

in response to volvann:

Both posts are great, now if only liberals and politicians would read and listen to Ramsey's material, this country would have no debt and people would be working instead of waiting on hand-outs. By the way, we proudly quit my wife out of her medical professional job last August by following Ramsey's plan and now she can occupy her seat in the stadium every weekend.

Looks like there are at least 3 of us on this thread that can back Dave up. Proud for and of both of you.

Folks need to learn to appreciate how much sweeter life is without the stress of debt. That is very much unlike our government and politicians that think they can borrow their way out of debt.

Do good with what you have and somehow you end up with more than you ever dreamed you would receive. It's a God thing.

TKO writes:

He should have dated Petrino.....lol

RoadTrip writes:

in response to Vols20:

Proud for you and your wife. You lived like no one else so that you can now live like no one else. I hope you guys enjoy the 2012 football season. I think Coach Dooley and staff will have em ready. Go Vols!

You and Volann just went in my "good folks" file on this site. I am hoping that CDD had an epiphany since the end of last season about what he needs to do to take the program to the next level. My observations are that he has. I don't see any short cuts being taken. Could be a really good year on the hill that sets the stage for national prominence again.

TallHillBillyVol writes:

I kind of feel a bit (again, a bit) sorry for this guy. American capitalism is about taking risks. 5 out of 5 businesses everyone traded with today exists because someone took a risk. If no one takes a risk and aspires to more, then it's not America anymore. Aren't we the land of opportunity? Of course, an educated, smart risk is the best risk to take.

tapeworm writes:

in response to TallHillBillyVol:

I kind of feel a bit (again, a bit) sorry for this guy. American capitalism is about taking risks. 5 out of 5 businesses everyone traded with today exists because someone took a risk. If no one takes a risk and aspires to more, then it's not America anymore. Aren't we the land of opportunity? Of course, an educated, smart risk is the best risk to take.

My philosophy about risk as an independent business owner for over 40 years is:
• Never risk money you can't afford to lose

• The only safe risk is on yourself

• NEVER borrow money to risk on something you can't control

Vols20 writes:

in response to TallHillBillyVol:

I kind of feel a bit (again, a bit) sorry for this guy. American capitalism is about taking risks. 5 out of 5 businesses everyone traded with today exists because someone took a risk. If no one takes a risk and aspires to more, then it's not America anymore. Aren't we the land of opportunity? Of course, an educated, smart risk is the best risk to take.

I believe in capitalism 100%. However, this guy is not your average Joe who is starting a small business and trying to build it. We are talking about a guy who had wealth and was already living the American dream and got greedy. I can tell you this, pay me a million plus a year for one year, and my family will be set for life because there will be no reason to take big risks and I will manage my funds responsibly.

Couchdummy writes:

in response to murrayvol:

And now a word from the intellectually bankrupt.

Ha! MurrayV, I love your type of humor!!

fratricide08 writes:

He got conned. He won't be the first or the last. Sadly, doctors, coaches, sports stars, entertainers etc. --basically anyone with credibility and extra money to invest-- are targets for con men. These men pull it off not by promising riches (their targets already have wealth) but by making their mark think that they're making a responsible investment. A lot of folks don't realize that the reason so many sports stars wind up broke isn't partying or excess, although there are a those that definitely have that to blame, but by trusting people who present them with investment opportunities to grow their money. The same con targets doctors and even lawyers.

tennrich1 writes:

in response to tapeworm:

My philosophy about risk as an independent business owner for over 40 years is:
• Never risk money you can't afford to lose

• The only safe risk is on yourself

• NEVER borrow money to risk on something you can't control

My take exactly....I am sorry for this man BUT GREED is the reason for most of these bankruptcies...sound finanical principles will keep you out of serious debt EVERYTIME...and we are suppose to somehow feel sorry for them...I have a good friend who was warned over and over again during this frenzy about what would happen...ignored and 48 million dollars later with bankruptcy and double digit lost friends he's back at it again...and we wonder whats going on...

RoadTrip writes:

in response to tennrich1:

My take exactly....I am sorry for this man BUT GREED is the reason for most of these bankruptcies...sound finanical principles will keep you out of serious debt EVERYTIME...and we are suppose to somehow feel sorry for them...I have a good friend who was warned over and over again during this frenzy about what would happen...ignored and 48 million dollars later with bankruptcy and double digit lost friends he's back at it again...and we wonder whats going on...

Classic. Some folks just can't help themselves or learn from their own mistakes.

tnoutlaw2001#228008 writes:

in response to Vols20:

Reading stuff like this ticks me off! I promise the following is not to boast but to make a point? My wife and I are both in education and make comfortable living, but obviously nothing close to to the millions that Coach Smith has made in his career. We are in our 30s and have zero debt except for our home. We paid for two Master's degrees and paid off two vehicles in the first five years we were married, and continue to, put a portion in Roth IRA, put back for kid's college funds, add to an emergency fund, and we give 10 percent to the Lord. I don't feel sorry for this guy one bit. He has made millions of dollars, and is filing bankruptcy. A little responsibility goes a long way!

Totally agree with you and congrats on getting your education.

This is the problem with America, this man was making more than most AmericanS will ever make in a lifetime yet when he made a bad decision it's now time for everyone else to pick up the burden and carry his debt. People the reason banks,insurance, taxes go up is because idiots like this greedy Mr. Smith bail when they run into trouble and file bankruptcy. I think he should be told to sell off the land at a loss, take it like a man, and be a better wiser investor moving forward. He will file bankruptcy, and clear his debt, only to make a million dollar contract down the road coaching, it's total B.S.

DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho writes:

That $850,000 salary is going to make Coach Smith's bankruptcy hearings very interesting.

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