Penn State vacates Outback Bowl win over Tennessee

Penn State vacated 112 wins and late coach Joe Paterno vacated 111 on Monday, including one over Tennessee.

The Nittany Lions upset four-point favorite UT 20-10 in the Outback Bowl in Tampa, Fla., on Jan. 1, 2007.

The game is best remembered — and painfully so — by Tennessee fans for running back Arian Foster's fourth-quarter fumble that was returned 88 yards for a touchdown by Penn State defender Tony Davis.

The game's pivotal play came as the Vols were on the march looking to break a 10-10 tie that had stood since the second quarter.

Paterno, watching from the press box due to a broken leg, earned his 363rd career win.

Paterno's career 409 wins now stand at 298 after the NCAA sanctions. Tennessee does not get credit for another victory or the loss taken away. The Vols record for 2006 remains 9-4.

Paterno gets to keep Penn State's other two bowl wins over UT, in the 1992 Fiesta Bowl and in the 1994 Florida Citrus Bowl.

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VolinCalif writes:

I said it on another post. But I really hope we get a load of talent from PS Xfers.

keepitreal4vols writes:

I'm sure all the Penn State victims are happy for UT's new statistics. Thanks KNS, you are truly an award winning newpaper. *sarcasm*

NashvillePreds writes:

Lost a GF over this game. She was from Cali, and never understood TN football.
After I pretty much destroyed a futon after Foster's fumble, it was the beginning of the end.
"Serenity now, serenity now"

cobragolfer writes:

That's the only way the mighty Vols won't lose a Bowl Game!!

NashvillePreds writes:

in response to cobragolfer:

That's the only way the mighty Vols won't lose a Bowl Game!!

Explain Tennessee's 25 bowl victories.
Please "wow" us with your superior cognitive abilities...

RunningWithTheVols writes:

Interesting to hear analysts saying having 65 scholarship players is a killer for a program. Dooley has been playing short-handed due to all of the departures during the end of Fulmer and Kiffin's tenure.

I love Fulmer but everything started going downhill when he lost Kirby ?, Cutcliffe, and Garner.

Live in Raleigh and NCSU fans are talking trash. I see a tight win for the Vols, though, if our kicking game is not a disaster.

brod writes:

should have won the da** game anyway.

ArmyDad writes:

in response to cobragolfer:

That's the only way the mighty Vols won't lose a Bowl Game!!

It's still a loss for UT. Penn State vacated the win, but it isn't a forfeit giving UT a win.

Vacate and forfeit mean two different things.

Vol-in-GA writes:

I'm not sure how anyone celebrates a vacated win by another program. It would be like Bobby Bowden now celebrating being the wins leader. It was given to you, you didn't actually earn it. Just my opinion.

chuckfromwoodberry writes:

in response to NashvillePreds:

Lost a GF over this game. She was from Cali, and never understood TN football.
After I pretty much destroyed a futon after Foster's fumble, it was the beginning of the end.
"Serenity now, serenity now"

LOL! +1 Been there, done that!

CrankE writes:

Even now, the NCAA is spineless. Since 1987, the NCAA has let many deserving programs escape the hangman's noose. Now they must appear to be Timely and Relevant and In Charge!

PSU covered this up for years for the sake allowing Paterno to increase his win totals. (Say, am I the only one who thought it odd that the lid finally blew off of this mess right after Paterno got his dinger to pass Robinson?)

For that reason, those wins ought to be forfeit.

All.

111.

of.

them.

tensie2004 writes:

Coach Dooley, Get on the first available airplane and make a trip to Happy Valley as fast as you can. We have alot of needs and maybe you can talk a punter, kicker, and some defensive linemen to come to Tennessee. Just like a candy shop, the NCAA has opened the door to let athletes leave Penn State without sitting out a year even if the school that they are transfering to doesn't have a scholarship to give at this time. Get on that plane!!!!~

ULTIMATEVOLUNTEER writes:

in response to cobragolfer:

That's the only way the mighty Vols won't lose a Bowl Game!!

why are vandy fans on a UT site?

laraccoon writes:

in response to Vol-in-GA:

I'm not sure how anyone celebrates a vacated win by another program. It would be like Bobby Bowden now celebrating being the wins leader. It was given to you, you didn't actually earn it. Just my opinion.

i would think most people would probably agree with you . some people take sports so out of context they would probably rationalize it as a victory they really deserve and are proud of . look at that Updyke dude from bama , he thought Auburn did something wrong in his mind when they beat the Tide ,and they should pay . most who play the game dont even take it out of context like some fans do .

Wayfarer writes:

I agree with the sanctions except the money unless the NCAA is going to giving the money to the victims. Why should the NCAA benefit from this tragedy? Wonder how LeRoy Thompson feels about choosing Penn State now.

FLVOL_79 writes:

Wow Penn State just got hammered. Makes UF and Bama look like choir boys.

jcherrie#219531 (Inactive) writes:

in response to Wayfarer:

I agree with the sanctions except the money unless the NCAA is going to giving the money to the victims. Why should the NCAA benefit from this tragedy? Wonder how LeRoy Thompson feels about choosing Penn State now.

"....The money will be donated to charitable organizations affiliated with child abuse protection and prevention"

bigfan865 writes:

in response to Wayfarer:

I agree with the sanctions except the money unless the NCAA is going to giving the money to the victims. Why should the NCAA benefit from this tragedy? Wonder how LeRoy Thompson feels about choosing Penn State now.

The money is not going to the NCAA!
It is not going to specific victims of Sandusky either.
It is going to organizations that help many victims of sexual abuse.

CoverOrange writes:

What NCAA rule did PSU violate? Please provide the chapter and section number.

If PSU's coach, AD and president had done what they should have back then, how would PSU's football record have been any different? Not sure what it was they thought they were protecting. More likely protecting from lawsuits against PSU than PSU football.

MetroplexMojo writes:

in response to CoverOrange:

What NCAA rule did PSU violate? Please provide the chapter and section number.

If PSU's coach, AD and president had done what they should have back then, how would PSU's football record have been any different? Not sure what it was they thought they were protecting. More likely protecting from lawsuits against PSU than PSU football.

NCAA Section - 10.1 Unethical Conduct.

Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member, which includes any individual who performs work for the institution or the athletics department even if he or she does not receive compensation for such work

Do you agree that it is unethical to knowingly cover up a child rapist for 13 years while providing an office and facilities for him to continue to rape boys?

traderjoe writes:

I hope Dooley is smart enough to put Penn St on the schedule for the next 4 years, maybe replacing a tough team like Ky.

MooseandSquirrelVol writes:

in response to tensie2004:

Coach Dooley, Get on the first available airplane and make a trip to Happy Valley as fast as you can. We have alot of needs and maybe you can talk a punter, kicker, and some defensive linemen to come to Tennessee. Just like a candy shop, the NCAA has opened the door to let athletes leave Penn State without sitting out a year even if the school that they are transfering to doesn't have a scholarship to give at this time. Get on that plane!!!!~

I could be wrong, but I don't think a coach at one school can initiate contact with a player at another school even under these circumstances.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to VolinCalif:

I said it on another post. But I really hope we get a load of talent from PS Xfers.

I believe we were neck in neck with some PSU (Pedophile Sandusky University) recruits..Now may be we can get them to transfer or raid the 2013 class..GBO!!

DonK37920 writes:

in response to Vol-in-GA:

I'm not sure how anyone celebrates a vacated win by another program. It would be like Bobby Bowden now celebrating being the wins leader. It was given to you, you didn't actually earn it. Just my opinion.

Agree. Still feels like a loss to me and this doesn't change it.
At least when Bama had to forfeit their wins for getting caught cheating yet again,we could honestly say they had to cheat to win and had an unfair advantage. Not that it made those losses better after the fact but at least there was some sort of competitive disadvantage.
With something so horrible and creepy as this, the win is really irrelevant and who really cares anyway?

SevenT writes:

in response to CoverOrange:

What NCAA rule did PSU violate? Please provide the chapter and section number.

If PSU's coach, AD and president had done what they should have back then, how would PSU's football record have been any different? Not sure what it was they thought they were protecting. More likely protecting from lawsuits against PSU than PSU football.

WHAT?

This is a criminal coverup of homosexual child rape by an assistant coach and a coverup by Paterno on Penn State property. You should be smart enough to understand the extent of laws and NCAA rules that were broken. Are you a typical UT fan?

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

Wasn't Sandusky coaching when UT lost the Citrus Bowl game in 93?? You know darn well he was molesting children then as well..I'm certain that's why Heath Shuler had such a bad passing day, Ol Jerry made him nervous..We need that loss taken off also..Just sayin'

arkyvol writes:

reminds me of a quote by darryl royal when the ncaa took away a win by the switzer led sooners over his longhorns. it was something to the effect that, 'my players know who won that game. so do their players. that ain't gonna change.'

Munsterlander writes:

Maybe it's just me, but it strikes me as very unseemly to try to benefit from these particular circumstances. Plenty of good players still out there.

VOLtage writes:

I'm still hurting from the 31-13 beatdown to Penn State at the 1994 Citrus Bowl. Still remember the come back next year Shuler banner hanging from the upper deck. Any chance they can vacate this one also.

MetroplexMojo writes:

in response to CoverOrange:

What NCAA rule did PSU violate? Please provide the chapter and section number.

If PSU's coach, AD and president had done what they should have back then, how would PSU's football record have been any different? Not sure what it was they thought they were protecting. More likely protecting from lawsuits against PSU than PSU football.

6.01.1 Institutional Control.

The control and responsibility for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be exercised by the institution itself and by the conference(s), if any, of which it is a member. Administrative control or faculty control, or a combination of the two, shall constitute institutional control.

PSU lost institutional control (per NCAA statute) the day the athletic department administration (the institution) agreed to cover up the actions of the pedophile solely at the urging of Coach Paterno.

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

in response to VolinCalif:

I said it on another post. But I really hope we get a load of talent from PS Xfers.

No matter how many of their players may want to transfer right away, a lot of them won't be able to. At least, not if they need/want a scholarship. This late in the game, how many big-time programs actually have scholarships available? They'd have to find a school that doesn't already have 85 players on scholarship and doesn't already have 25 no scholarship in their class. That's not an easy find at this time of year. Freshman players would have the best chance, if a school has a player signed who doesn't qualify. Otherwise, they'd have to be willing and able to redshirt.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to Munsterlander:

Maybe it's just me, but it strikes me as very unseemly to try to benefit from these particular circumstances. Plenty of good players still out there.

Dude, do you think anybody cared about UT when we were going through 3 coaching changes?? These losers at PSU were hiding rape/molestation cases, losing recruits is the least of worries..You reap what you sow and no empathy from this Vol fan..GBO!!

MetroplexMojo writes:

in response to 10seVol85_Part_Deux:

No matter how many of their players may want to transfer right away, a lot of them won't be able to. At least, not if they need/want a scholarship. This late in the game, how many big-time programs actually have scholarships available? They'd have to find a school that doesn't already have 85 players on scholarship and doesn't already have 25 no scholarship in their class. That's not an easy find at this time of year. Freshman players would have the best chance, if a school has a player signed who doesn't qualify. Otherwise, they'd have to be willing and able to redshirt.

Per NCAA website...

Additionally, the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limits for programs to which these football student-athletes transfer, provided they reduce proportionately in the next year. For example, the limit is 25 new scholarships per year to a total of 85 scholarships. If the limits are waived in 2012-13 to accommodate one Penn State student-athlete who wishes to transfer to a particular school already at the limits, in 2013-14 the school will be limited to 24 new scholarships and 84 total scholarships

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

in response to MetroplexMojo:

6.01.1 Institutional Control.

The control and responsibility for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be exercised by the institution itself and by the conference(s), if any, of which it is a member. Administrative control or faculty control, or a combination of the two, shall constitute institutional control.

PSU lost institutional control (per NCAA statute) the day the athletic department administration (the institution) agreed to cover up the actions of the pedophile solely at the urging of Coach Paterno.

Although that makes sense, and may be the rule the NCAA was using, what they did at PSU had nothing to do with athletics really. It's just that it involved personnel in that department. It's a very fine line. In my opinion, it was criminal activity, and outside the NCAA's charter. I can only see it being an NCAA matter if it's a breach of a professional conduct type of rule.

I don't like that the NCAA laid the hammer down on PSU without due process. Normally, the university has a chance to respond to NCAA charges/allegations, before a committee.

I also don't like that the NCAA has, once again, severely punished a lot of people who had nothing to do with the crimes, and didn't even have any knowledge of them.

I've read that they've been docked 10 scholarships/year for four years. That's 40 current high school kids who won't be able to get a scholarship. If there are 3,000 total scholarships/year out there to FBS schools, then you can cut that number by 10/year for the next four years, and those 40 kids are just SOL. I know, 10 out of 3,000 doesn't seem like much, but it does if you're one of those 10.

Is PSU like UT? UT's athletic department contributes a bunch of money to non-athletic programs every year. Does PSU's do that? If so, those programs are going to suffer too.

I just think, let the law punish the offenders. This is a legal matter, not an NCAA matter. There's no need to punish so many innocent people just to be PC and look good in the media, NCAA.

Vol_in_Mich writes:

The Vols pretty much suck, But they're not preverts! I don't really think this would have been covered up in the SEC. I never liked Penn State & "Joe Pa's" better than everyone else attiude! (sp?)

woodwr#217203 writes:

1991 was the heartbreaker.

Before 1995 Florida game the worst collapse in Tennessee history.

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

in response to MetroplexMojo:

Per NCAA website...

Additionally, the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limits for programs to which these football student-athletes transfer, provided they reduce proportionately in the next year. For example, the limit is 25 new scholarships per year to a total of 85 scholarships. If the limits are waived in 2012-13 to accommodate one Penn State student-athlete who wishes to transfer to a particular school already at the limits, in 2013-14 the school will be limited to 24 new scholarships and 84 total scholarships

Ok. Didn't know that. However, why would they reduce to 84 total? That doesn't make sense. That's punishing the school that takes them. It would make sense if they limmited you to 24 new scholarships, but you should have to be back to the normal 85 total next year.

MetroplexMojo writes:

in response to 10seVol85_Part_Deux:

Although that makes sense, and may be the rule the NCAA was using, what they did at PSU had nothing to do with athletics really. It's just that it involved personnel in that department. It's a very fine line. In my opinion, it was criminal activity, and outside the NCAA's charter. I can only see it being an NCAA matter if it's a breach of a professional conduct type of rule.

I don't like that the NCAA laid the hammer down on PSU without due process. Normally, the university has a chance to respond to NCAA charges/allegations, before a committee.

I also don't like that the NCAA has, once again, severely punished a lot of people who had nothing to do with the crimes, and didn't even have any knowledge of them.

I've read that they've been docked 10 scholarships/year for four years. That's 40 current high school kids who won't be able to get a scholarship. If there are 3,000 total scholarships/year out there to FBS schools, then you can cut that number by 10/year for the next four years, and those 40 kids are just SOL. I know, 10 out of 3,000 doesn't seem like much, but it does if you're one of those 10.

Is PSU like UT? UT's athletic department contributes a bunch of money to non-athletic programs every year. Does PSU's do that? If so, those programs are going to suffer too.

I just think, let the law punish the offenders. This is a legal matter, not an NCAA matter. There's no need to punish so many innocent people just to be PC and look good in the media, NCAA.

The institutional control rules have been enacted to make sure there is a separation of duties between the coaches and the athletic dept. administration (to ensure compliance with the rules). Once the athletic department decided not to let the authorities know about the pedophile at the urging of Paterno, the school lost all institutional control.

Penn State agreed to the findings of the Freeh report. Since they did not deny the findings, the NCAA accepted as fact (which helps mitigate some of the due process concerns I have).

Honestly, Penn State should have been forced to shut the program down for 3 years (one longer than SMU). We know that wasn't practical but the program that Joe Pa built should have been undone due to his illegal and morally wretched decision-making.

VolinCalif writes:

in response to MetroplexMojo:

Per NCAA website...

Additionally, the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limits for programs to which these football student-athletes transfer, provided they reduce proportionately in the next year. For example, the limit is 25 new scholarships per year to a total of 85 scholarships. If the limits are waived in 2012-13 to accommodate one Penn State student-athlete who wishes to transfer to a particular school already at the limits, in 2013-14 the school will be limited to 24 new scholarships and 84 total scholarships

The 24 limit makes sense but the drop to 84 doesn't,I would think that the 85 total would stand the next yer but you would have to limit your 25 count by the number you take from PS.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to 10seVol85_Part_Deux:

Although that makes sense, and may be the rule the NCAA was using, what they did at PSU had nothing to do with athletics really. It's just that it involved personnel in that department. It's a very fine line. In my opinion, it was criminal activity, and outside the NCAA's charter. I can only see it being an NCAA matter if it's a breach of a professional conduct type of rule.

I don't like that the NCAA laid the hammer down on PSU without due process. Normally, the university has a chance to respond to NCAA charges/allegations, before a committee.

I also don't like that the NCAA has, once again, severely punished a lot of people who had nothing to do with the crimes, and didn't even have any knowledge of them.

I've read that they've been docked 10 scholarships/year for four years. That's 40 current high school kids who won't be able to get a scholarship. If there are 3,000 total scholarships/year out there to FBS schools, then you can cut that number by 10/year for the next four years, and those 40 kids are just SOL. I know, 10 out of 3,000 doesn't seem like much, but it does if you're one of those 10.

Is PSU like UT? UT's athletic department contributes a bunch of money to non-athletic programs every year. Does PSU's do that? If so, those programs are going to suffer too.

I just think, let the law punish the offenders. This is a legal matter, not an NCAA matter. There's no need to punish so many innocent people just to be PC and look good in the media, NCAA.

10, you're the man, but I've got to disagree with your statement..When a University from HC,AD,VP and Pres/Dean cover up a crime this hideous it has breached morality/ethics clauses that would make this an NCAA violation..Also, if this story had hit the presses in 98 or 2001 it would have devastated recruiting and alumni support..So, in essence by not properly reporting gave them an edge in recruiting,receiving donations etc..Not to mention this would have tarnished PSU's squeaky clean image JoPa has so tactfully hidden from the public..Just a thought.

MetroplexMojo writes:

in response to VolinCalif:

The 24 limit makes sense but the drop to 84 doesn't,I would think that the 85 total would stand the next yer but you would have to limit your 25 count by the number you take from PS.

I assume that if you are at 85 scholarships currently and you sign 2 PSU players, that means you have 87 players on scholarship or two more than the limit. Since you are 2 more than the limit this year, you must reduce your limit for the next year by 2. (83)

Caspian writes:

I'll never forget the 1971 TN win over PS. PS had Lydell Mitchell and Franco Harris in the backfield and Hufnagel at QB. The week before the game, the PS newspapers were saying that they had hoped TN would have had a better record that year so that when PS beat them, it would look better for PS. Saying that people were pumped up for that game is an understatement. It looked a little grim initially, until Conrad Graham picked off a pitch out and ran it back for a touchdown. And the romp was on. Toilet paper rolls were streaming off the upper decks, and people were hugging strangers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2054Xt...

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

Penn State does have a junior punter who was #2 in the Big 10/11/12 last season. Averaged 42 yards, with a long of 69, compared to our dead last in the SEC, 104th in the country, matt Darr at 38.1 and a long of 53.

Oh, and he also hit 14 of 17 FGs.
(7-7 20-29 yds, 4-4 30-39 yds, 3-5 40-49 yds, 0-1 50+ yds, 82%)
Palardy:
(5-5 20-29 yds, 1-2 30-39 yds, 2-5 40-49 yds, 1-2 50+ yds, 64%)

Just sayin'

AlexAndersonAAradio writes:

Why does he get credit for Citrus Bowl? That was in 94'. Wasn't it from 93' on? I think the 93' PSU even had Sundusky on it

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to Caspian:

I'll never forget the 1971 TN win over PS. PS had Lydell Mitchell and Franco Harris in the backfield and Hufnagel at QB. The week before the game, the PS newspapers were saying that they had hoped TN would have had a better record that year so that when PS beat them, it would look better for PS. Saying that people were pumped up for that game is an understatement. It looked a little grim initially, until Conrad Graham picked off a pitch out and ran it back for a touchdown. And the romp was on. Toilet paper rolls were streaming off the upper decks, and people were hugging strangers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2054Xt...

Yeah, Ol JoPa whined that the humidity was a big factor in losing that game..No, it was the UT fb team that whipped your arse, not the humidity..GBO!!

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

in response to MetroplexMojo:

I assume that if you are at 85 scholarships currently and you sign 2 PSU players, that means you have 87 players on scholarship or two more than the limit. Since you are 2 more than the limit this year, you must reduce your limit for the next year by 2. (83)

I see that logic, but then they're discouraging schools taking the transfers, because it will hurt them in the future. They're allowing the waiver in order to help the athletes, so they aren't punished for PSU's transgressions that didn't involve them. It should just be a temporary waiver to the 85 limit or 25 limit for one year, then everything goes back to normal.

You should make that happen. Oh wait, you're not "greatest/gomer/toddyboy." Nevermind.

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

in response to AlexAndersonAAradio:

Why does he get credit for Citrus Bowl? That was in 94'. Wasn't it from 93' on? I think the 93' PSU even had Sundusky on it

The vacated wins start with the 1998 season.

lafollette37766 writes:

in response to tensie2004:

Coach Dooley, Get on the first available airplane and make a trip to Happy Valley as fast as you can. We have alot of needs and maybe you can talk a punter, kicker, and some defensive linemen to come to Tennessee. Just like a candy shop, the NCAA has opened the door to let athletes leave Penn State without sitting out a year even if the school that they are transfering to doesn't have a scholarship to give at this time. Get on that plane!!!!~

PLUS 1 TENSIE2004 Get up there Dooley and land a few of those players. Just 3 or 4 could make a difference between 5-7 and 9-3.

MetroplexMojo writes:

in response to 10seVol85_Part_Deux:

I see that logic, but then they're discouraging schools taking the transfers, because it will hurt them in the future. They're allowing the waiver in order to help the athletes, so they aren't punished for PSU's transgressions that didn't involve them. It should just be a temporary waiver to the 85 limit or 25 limit for one year, then everything goes back to normal.

You should make that happen. Oh wait, you're not "greatest/gomer/toddyboy." Nevermind.

I think they are doing the reduction in the later years to ensure that a school (such as Ohio State or Michigan) does not gain an unfair advantage by signing 10 kids from PSU. There should be some type of waiver if a school only signs 1 PSU player.

DonK37920 writes:

I think the NCAA did a good job with the penalties. By handling it this way, The NCAA is punishing the school while trying as best they can to minimize the damage to all the innocent bystanders that benefit from the games etc... By allowing them to play, at least the businesses around the stadium have a chance to survive by getting the business from game days. Also, all the schools that benefit from playing at Penn State or hosting them on their schedules don't have to scramble and redo their schedule completely. A lot of small schools rely on those OOC game payouts to play at schools like Penn State.
I wouldn't have opposed the death penalty, but doing it this way is just as bad for the school but allows all the ancillary poeple to go on without being punished for something they had nothing to do with. I still think it will hurt some of those people but not as much as if it all were completely shut down. And I like the money going to the charities.

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