Jay Greeson: What if Bruce Pearl still led UT Vols?

— Heading into the regular-season finale, the Tennessee Volunteers are a long shot for the NCAA men's basketball tournament. Barring the team's first Southeastern Conference tournament title since the Reagan administration, it seems unlikely that Cuonzo Martin and the Vols will be invited even with a win today against Vanderbilt.

That we're even discussing the Vols and the postseason without waiting for the punch line is a testament to the job Martin has done in his first season in Knoxville. In fact, forget the SEC honors: If Martin somehow finds a way to get these Vols -- a collection of misfit pieces picked to finish 11th in the 12-team SEC before the season -- he deserves national coach of the year recognition.

But as good as Martin has been, would these Vols be better if Bruce Pearl had not been fired? Remember that before running crossways with and lying to the NCAA, Pearl reached a high-water mark with UT basketball, reaching seven straight NCAA tournaments and coming within a basket of reaching the Elite Eight for the first time in program history.

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FanNotSheep writes:

We will never know. And it doesn't matter now. You can compare potential rosters but you have no way of knowing which players would or would not be on the team if Pearl had stayed. You also don't know what kind of stipulations the AD would have put on him to keep his job, so it could have been just as stressful as last season. Let's stop with the what-ifs and just concentrate on the team and the coach we have. They are playing a big game and a whole lot is riding on it. The last thing we need is to create more division in the fan base. Don't you have any teams to cover in Chattanooga?

NelsonKent writes:

If Pearl were the coach we would have 3 more wins at minimum.

SummittsCourt writes:

Just another stupid article written by another stupid "writer". Why even go there?

BIGORANGEDOG writes:

Who could even care about this subject. Find something worth wild to put out

JayTee writes:

In six years Pearl never signed a quality point guard.
The bigger question should be if BP was still coach would Stokes be at UT?

1vavolfan writes:

I agree with Greeson, if Pearl doesn't flame out last year its just a matter of time. Where I do disagree is with the Chris Jones and Tobias HArris assessment. Jones went the JUCO route because of grades and would not have qualified. Harris was a projected mid-1st rounder. An honest coach tells this kid to go and take the guaranteed money. I do think we would have kept Hopson and added Kevin Ware. Hopson could have been 1st team All-SEC.

The team is probably predicted preseason to finish in the top 5 of the SEC but finishes in the middle of the pack. I don't see Maymon, McCrae, or Golden playing at their current level with CBP as coach, or even Tatum playing this well on defense. At the time what looked like losing our savior has turned into a blessing in disguise. UT is in much better hands now.

Sir_Spanky writes:

The elevated play of the players still on the team that you mentioned is a better deal for us as opposed to not having that, but having Scotty Hopson. Hopson made a large mistake leaving early.

Flabbergasted writes:

I think we are better off with Martin. Martin is well respected nationwide which bodes well for future recruiting and the image of the University of Tennessee.

dvols writes:

Alimony's would be a top five nail salon....and sea doo sales would still be increasing..

RoadTrip writes:

No disrespect, but who gives a shart Greeson? Coach Zo has made lemonade out of lemons, which wasn't happening with Pearl any more. He messed up and flamed out. Coach Zo's good character and competency will guide him and the Vols for a long, successful ride.

volinlouisvilleky writes:

If "Ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas"! lET IT GO!!!!!

VolzsFan writes:

More stupid comments from the galaxtically stupid posters as well as a nerd writer.

-First, they went to 6 straight NCAA tournaments. One for every year.
-They did make the schools first Elite Eight. They where one point from the Final Four.
-He said they would be in the SEC's top 3. If they win today they will be 2nd.
-The ignorance of fans and writers saying this is a rag time bunch is a joke. Virtually every player on the team was a 4 star and top 100 recruit. This is not even close to making lemons out of lemonade.
-Stokes was a silent commit to Pearl and he has said that. To think he would not be here is just ignorance.
-Tobias and Scotty might have came back. With that no skills Maymon out of the way and better skilled players in, they would have been a top 3 seed.
-Pearl did more with UT basketball than anyone in school history by a mile. He took what was considered a coaching graveyard and showed that it can be an elite program. One of the VERY few to reach 6 straight NCAAs. Finish in the top 5 in attendance. Have as many Sweet 16s as just about any other school in America during that stretch.
-Our fans seem to cuss the success of the best coaches this school has seen and applaud the guys going 500. That is why this is the dumbest fan base in America.
-I like Martin and think he will do well. He will not do as well as Pearl when he was left a program full of 4 star top 100 kids and a new legacy to the program including the best facilities in America. Just like no one again in UT history will ever do or come close, to the success of the Great Hall of Famer Phil.

The stupidity of the vocal minority of Vol Fans makes it very embarrassing to be a fan.

Enjoy the change!!LOL!!

Bigger_Al writes:

Jay - The "Carter Administration" is actually correct - 1979. Would have been much better point if you got that right. Reagan was in office through 1988.

And since we now seem to be living the 2nd term of the Carter Administration, maybe this is a harbinger of big things in New Orleans for the Vols!

crappieking writes:

in response to VolzsFan:

More stupid comments from the galaxtically stupid posters as well as a nerd writer.

-First, they went to 6 straight NCAA tournaments. One for every year.
-They did make the schools first Elite Eight. They where one point from the Final Four.
-He said they would be in the SEC's top 3. If they win today they will be 2nd.
-The ignorance of fans and writers saying this is a rag time bunch is a joke. Virtually every player on the team was a 4 star and top 100 recruit. This is not even close to making lemons out of lemonade.
-Stokes was a silent commit to Pearl and he has said that. To think he would not be here is just ignorance.
-Tobias and Scotty might have came back. With that no skills Maymon out of the way and better skilled players in, they would have been a top 3 seed.
-Pearl did more with UT basketball than anyone in school history by a mile. He took what was considered a coaching graveyard and showed that it can be an elite program. One of the VERY few to reach 6 straight NCAAs. Finish in the top 5 in attendance. Have as many Sweet 16s as just about any other school in America during that stretch.
-Our fans seem to cuss the success of the best coaches this school has seen and applaud the guys going 500. That is why this is the dumbest fan base in America.
-I like Martin and think he will do well. He will not do as well as Pearl when he was left a program full of 4 star top 100 kids and a new legacy to the program including the best facilities in America. Just like no one again in UT history will ever do or come close, to the success of the Great Hall of Famer Phil.

The stupidity of the vocal minority of Vol Fans makes it very embarrassing to be a fan.

Enjoy the change!!LOL!!

"The stupidity of the vocal minority of Vol Fans makes it very embarrassing to be a fan."

I agree, you're stupidity is embarrassing. Go pull for someone else. Go coach ZO and GBO!

rockytom writes:

I thought Coach Pearl was absolutley great.
I think Coach Martin was just what we needed when UT needed to regroup. I think Coach Martin is a great coach.
Now,Coach Pearl is gone and we have Coach Martin. Let's get behind him and give him the support he deserves. And let's cut out silly articles like this one.

Moesart writes:

Why waste time talking about Bruce Pearl? Tell us what Lane Kiffin is doing today, same thing. I expected a .500 bb record this season and they have done a little better in a tough situation. Next season will be better.

tovolny writes:

An item like this is unfair to everybody. WHY write up something like this? KNS NEEDs a PERSON IN CHARGE SO THAT 'stuff" like this is screened out. One era ended another has begun. Don't mix stuff up. No one cares what katsup on chocolate ice cream take like...SO, why even discuss it??????

born2ride writes:

Bruce Pearl brought excitement to UT basketball. He took the Vols to the Elite 8 and Sweet 16 - where we had never advanced before. He brought in top players (Harris & Hopson) and made UT an elite program.

Conzo Martin is winning with Pearl's players. Stokes fell into his lap and signed mostly because of Pearl's and Forbes' effort. Martin is the first coach ever to lose to Austin Pee Pee. If it was not for the Florida wins this season would be a flop.

There is no comparison. Pearl was a great coach. Martin is an unknown.

RockyBears2009 writes:

stop writing articles about 'what if' fulmer and pearl were still coaching! stop stalking lane kiffin at usc. get over the past and move on.
dooley and martin are our coaches now. get over it and move on-
it just shows a lack of journalism talent to keep publishing articles like these KNS.

OwensboroVol writes:

in response to VolzsFan:

More stupid comments from the galaxtically stupid posters as well as a nerd writer.

-First, they went to 6 straight NCAA tournaments. One for every year.
-They did make the schools first Elite Eight. They where one point from the Final Four.
-He said they would be in the SEC's top 3. If they win today they will be 2nd.
-The ignorance of fans and writers saying this is a rag time bunch is a joke. Virtually every player on the team was a 4 star and top 100 recruit. This is not even close to making lemons out of lemonade.
-Stokes was a silent commit to Pearl and he has said that. To think he would not be here is just ignorance.
-Tobias and Scotty might have came back. With that no skills Maymon out of the way and better skilled players in, they would have been a top 3 seed.
-Pearl did more with UT basketball than anyone in school history by a mile. He took what was considered a coaching graveyard and showed that it can be an elite program. One of the VERY few to reach 6 straight NCAAs. Finish in the top 5 in attendance. Have as many Sweet 16s as just about any other school in America during that stretch.
-Our fans seem to cuss the success of the best coaches this school has seen and applaud the guys going 500. That is why this is the dumbest fan base in America.
-I like Martin and think he will do well. He will not do as well as Pearl when he was left a program full of 4 star top 100 kids and a new legacy to the program including the best facilities in America. Just like no one again in UT history will ever do or come close, to the success of the Great Hall of Famer Phil.

The stupidity of the vocal minority of Vol Fans makes it very embarrassing to be a fan.

Enjoy the change!!LOL!!

Be careful! Don't you know that the posters on this board have no stomach for the truth. The fact is, C. Martin could not be a graduate assistant for Bruce Pearl. Had Bruce received the support that the University secretly gave to Lane Kiffin he would still be Coach and We would be looking at another run deep into the NCAA Tournament. Not only did Burce Pearl win, but His brand of Basketball was enjoyable to watch and brought the fans out. I, too, like Martin, but he was not ready for this job and had to learn. This cost this team a sure bid to the NCAA. They are coming along, but I will be interested to see how they compete against top notch competition. Bruce Pearl borrowed a saying from Ray Mears which went something like anyone, any place, any time. Somehow, that doesn't seem to be the case any longer at UT, in Football or Basketball.

voloffaith writes:

in response to RockyTopUT:

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Momma gonna wash your mouth out with soap since you are being so disrespectful....Don't have to like the coach,but disrespect shows more about you than many care to know. Oh BTW when the resident braintrust is thru adoring self remember he got notification of being canned that week prior to the game or did that very important fact escape ewe for a brief moment? He isn't here so it is a mute point. Leave it at mute without the blatant disrespect....Goodday RTU.

BigOrangeSmoker writes:

IF Pearl was still our coach...we would wouldnt have to worry about being on the edge of NCAA tourny,we'd be in like flint.Martin dont make a pimple on Pearls arse

slb#1351874 writes:

in response to MerlotGoVols:

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What if a Bullfrog had wings?

alfrizzle097 writes:

Its relevant because its INTERESTING TO THINK ABOUT and honestly a good bench mark to measure Martin by. Honestly, we would probably have had a better OVERALL year because we would have avoided losses in the nonconference while the guys were learning Martin's system. Remember how Alabama came on late last year? Same deal with the Vols this year.

I don't think Martin compares unfavorably with Pearl at all in terms of getting high level play from his players if you are going by the second half of the season this year.

Hard to say where Tatum, Golden, etc would be if they had some continuity in the off season. I'm thinking probably better on offense for the majority of the year but not as good on defense.

In some ways I think Harris would hurt on offense because with that big of a talent gap you get sucked into a one man offense. Team game.

Dunno. I loved the Pearl years excepting the scandal and ensuing underperformance. I am enjoying watching this group when they take care of the ball too.

HAMILTON KNEW HIS BASKETBALL. For whatever his other shortcomings were, both basketball hires were unpopular at first and were SOUNDLY embraced by the end of the coach's first year.

IBAVolFan writes:

in response to VolzsFan:

More stupid comments from the galaxtically stupid posters as well as a nerd writer.

-First, they went to 6 straight NCAA tournaments. One for every year.
-They did make the schools first Elite Eight. They where one point from the Final Four.
-He said they would be in the SEC's top 3. If they win today they will be 2nd.
-The ignorance of fans and writers saying this is a rag time bunch is a joke. Virtually every player on the team was a 4 star and top 100 recruit. This is not even close to making lemons out of lemonade.
-Stokes was a silent commit to Pearl and he has said that. To think he would not be here is just ignorance.
-Tobias and Scotty might have came back. With that no skills Maymon out of the way and better skilled players in, they would have been a top 3 seed.
-Pearl did more with UT basketball than anyone in school history by a mile. He took what was considered a coaching graveyard and showed that it can be an elite program. One of the VERY few to reach 6 straight NCAAs. Finish in the top 5 in attendance. Have as many Sweet 16s as just about any other school in America during that stretch.
-Our fans seem to cuss the success of the best coaches this school has seen and applaud the guys going 500. That is why this is the dumbest fan base in America.
-I like Martin and think he will do well. He will not do as well as Pearl when he was left a program full of 4 star top 100 kids and a new legacy to the program including the best facilities in America. Just like no one again in UT history will ever do or come close, to the success of the Great Hall of Famer Phil.

The stupidity of the vocal minority of Vol Fans makes it very embarrassing to be a fan.

Enjoy the change!!LOL!!

Totally agree. Martin will never have the success Pearl had at UT. Yes he may go to the NCAA every two or possibility three years but that is the best you will get from him.

IBAVolFan writes:

Good articile and right on with your assessment.

VolunteerLifer writes:

This writer is missing the big picture. Pearl had realized that he could only go so far with his full court pressing style, and he was trying to transition himself and his players to a half-court game on the style of the elite teams. It was easy for him to recruit wing players and power forwards, but it was hard for him to recruit point guards and centers for his half court style. After all, why should a really talented one of those trust their future to Pearl when he had never really run a good half-court program before? His problem was in finding the right way to make the transition. He had to win with the half court style before those necessary recruits would come, and he couldn't win with the half court style until they decided to come. I believe he would have struggled a lot, and would have had a bad rep after the ncaa thing, and probably wouldn't have made the successful transition. But that is not an indictment of Pearl, in fact it is the opposite. Pearl could have always taken the easy way and continued playing his fan-popular full court style and had a successful and long career here. But he wanted the brass ring, and that he risked a very safe position to reach for it is a testament to him.

givehim6 writes:

First let me say too much time is spent doing this "what if'" by KNS that leads to 2nd guessing by fans, which leads to the confusion in the Volnation. We need to get behind the coaches/team we have and quit this fussing about the maybees in life. Only thing I can say is, UT is better having Martin for the SEC tournement, but better with Pearl in the NCAA. Pearl acted like he cared less about the SEC, but came alive for the NCAA.

FanNotSheep writes:

in response to VolunteerLifer:

This writer is missing the big picture. Pearl had realized that he could only go so far with his full court pressing style, and he was trying to transition himself and his players to a half-court game on the style of the elite teams. It was easy for him to recruit wing players and power forwards, but it was hard for him to recruit point guards and centers for his half court style. After all, why should a really talented one of those trust their future to Pearl when he had never really run a good half-court program before? His problem was in finding the right way to make the transition. He had to win with the half court style before those necessary recruits would come, and he couldn't win with the half court style until they decided to come. I believe he would have struggled a lot, and would have had a bad rep after the ncaa thing, and probably wouldn't have made the successful transition. But that is not an indictment of Pearl, in fact it is the opposite. Pearl could have always taken the easy way and continued playing his fan-popular full court style and had a successful and long career here. But he wanted the brass ring, and that he risked a very safe position to reach for it is a testament to him.

You could be right but I thought Pearl just had never been at a program that could realistically get guys like Hopson and Harris, etc. You coach the players you have, but Pearl's ability to coach the type of defense that denies the other team to even in-bound the ball was what separated him from everyone else. I felt he took a couple of guys that did not fit his style because he was blinded by other facets of their game. But whatever the reason, Tennessee was much better with the right type of defenders even if they had fewer recruiting stars.

Razzle writes:

in response to Flabbergasted:

I think we are better off with Martin. Martin is well respected nationwide which bodes well for future recruiting and the image of the University of Tennessee.

Dittos

clvolfan writes:

in response to BIGORANGEDOG:

Who could even care about this subject. Find something worth wild to put out

Agreed,and these writers keep bring up the most absurd questions.No,they would not be better,McCrae would be gone and playing well somewhere else,and the VOLS could not win without him.

movinonup writes:

in response to rockytom:

I thought Coach Pearl was absolutley great.
I think Coach Martin was just what we needed when UT needed to regroup. I think Coach Martin is a great coach.
Now,Coach Pearl is gone and we have Coach Martin. Let's get behind him and give him the support he deserves. And let's cut out silly articles like this one.

You make way too much sense to be posting on this board....+1

FWBVol writes:

What all the Pearlites are forgetting is if Pearl was still here we wouldn't be talking about even an outside shot at the NCAA tournament because we would be on probation. Pearl got a three year show cause penalty, which wouldn't have allowed him to coach this year any way.

Pearl had a great run, but last year's team, even before Mike Hamilton took the air of the program before the NCAA game, faded down the stretch like a bachelor's shirt in a washing machine full of bleach.

It's amazing how so many people are singing Bruce Pearl's praises now when so many were critical of him playing his son so much the last two years. And the funny thing is, Steven Pearl is just the kind of guy that would fit in CCM's system. He's a hardnosed defensive minded player.

It's going to take a few years to tell what kind of recruiter Martin really is. He needs to have time to develop his program and brand as well as the time to build relationships with coaches in Tennessee...especially the Memphis area, that will pay off in recruiting.

I think Cuonzo Martin is going to do a great job at Tennessee for years to come.

The fact is nobody really knows if we would have been any better this year if Pearl had not been fired.

mocsandvolsfan writes:

Well unlike Greeson I liked Pearl. At least I thought he was a good coach and would have brought some players in to help. But Pearl flubbed up and I don't mind at all that he's gone. It's not about the coach's in the long run but about the schools and teaching young players to be men. I think Martin is great and will be for the future . I'm not worried about him flubbing up.

tuckerboys writes:

...and "what if" the CTFP had delivery drivers that could actually throw the paper in your driveway instead of a ditch at the front of your house. Maybe you could hire BP to show them how to accuratly lob the rag in your driveway! Go Coach Martin and Team!!

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

in response to OwensboroVol:

Be careful! Don't you know that the posters on this board have no stomach for the truth. The fact is, C. Martin could not be a graduate assistant for Bruce Pearl. Had Bruce received the support that the University secretly gave to Lane Kiffin he would still be Coach and We would be looking at another run deep into the NCAA Tournament. Not only did Burce Pearl win, but His brand of Basketball was enjoyable to watch and brought the fans out. I, too, like Martin, but he was not ready for this job and had to learn. This cost this team a sure bid to the NCAA. They are coming along, but I will be interested to see how they compete against top notch competition. Bruce Pearl borrowed a saying from Ray Mears which went something like anyone, any place, any time. Somehow, that doesn't seem to be the case any longer at UT, in Football or Basketball.

You get dumber and dumber on a daily basis. Zo nearly beat Pearl in Knoxville with 1/3 the talent last yr. Pearl was a great gameday coach and good recruiter. Martin is better at developing talent, and we shall see on the recruiting part. But they have different styles, yet I'm almost willing to bet in 6 yrs Zo will have put more guys in the NBA. Everyone on here is acting like Zo is a bum of a coach. Dude can coach, I don't know what it will take for everyone to see that.

As for the 4*s Pearl left, they were vastly underdeveloped. That had a lot to do with the early losses. You can't tell me Maymon, Golden, McBee, and McRay were NEAR the players they are now. And while he left some good players, he left Zo NOOOOO depth.

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

And by the way....Pearl would have a show cause and UT would be on probation if he were the coach. So no we wouldn't be better off.

Why is it on the day we play a HUGE game against Vandy, this junk is on here? And it's even worse that half the fans are trashing Zo right before this game. Most bashing Zo would cry like a baby if one even THOUGHT of saying anything about Dooley.

Razzle writes:

in response to Rich_Is_Re-born:

And by the way....Pearl would have a show cause and UT would be on probation if he were the coach. So no we wouldn't be better off.

Why is it on the day we play a HUGE game against Vandy, this junk is on here? And it's even worse that half the fans are trashing Zo right before this game. Most bashing Zo would cry like a baby if one even THOUGHT of saying anything about Dooley.

Rich these same Zo bashers have been at it since before the season started. Truth is they aren't really Tennessee fans and never have been.

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Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

in response to volforeverandever:

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That is one interesting way of looking at it. I must say, I like it.

GerryOP writes:

in response to born2ride:

Bruce Pearl brought excitement to UT basketball. He took the Vols to the Elite 8 and Sweet 16 - where we had never advanced before. He brought in top players (Harris & Hopson) and made UT an elite program.

Conzo Martin is winning with Pearl's players. Stokes fell into his lap and signed mostly because of Pearl's and Forbes' effort. Martin is the first coach ever to lose to Austin Pee Pee. If it was not for the Florida wins this season would be a flop.

There is no comparison. Pearl was a great coach. Martin is an unknown.

Great coaches don't lie to the NCAA.

GerryOP writes:

in response to BigOrangeSmoker:

IF Pearl was still our coach...we would wouldnt have to worry about being on the edge of NCAA tourny,we'd be in like flint.Martin dont make a pimple on Pearls arse

If Pearl was still our coach, all we would hear about is Pearl and how remoseful he is for his errors ... and the program would be in the dumpster just like last year.

Witch_Doctors writes:

Witch Doctor say what if a real sports media reported our news?
just a thought..a very very nice thought. lol
Bones never lie.

pastor_VOLSfan writes:

I like Coach Pearl and the excitement he brought to UT basketball but if he was still the coach, we would wouldn't even be talking about a long-shot NCAA tourney bid, we would be on probation and not elegible for postseason play. I like what Coach Martin has done this year and looking forward to better things in years to come.

barefoot43 writes:

Bite me Vandy and Professional Handicapper (all you’re your screen names), Red Beans (all your screen names), Brett, Jeff Flowers (all your screen names)

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

SOME OF YOU BASHING COACH ZO LOOK LIKE REAL GENIUS' RIGHT ABOUT NOW!!!! I'm willing to bet Pearl's teams would have lost todays game at the FT line down the stretch.

crparker21 writes:

in response to OwensboroVol:

Be careful! Don't you know that the posters on this board have no stomach for the truth. The fact is, C. Martin could not be a graduate assistant for Bruce Pearl. Had Bruce received the support that the University secretly gave to Lane Kiffin he would still be Coach and We would be looking at another run deep into the NCAA Tournament. Not only did Burce Pearl win, but His brand of Basketball was enjoyable to watch and brought the fans out. I, too, like Martin, but he was not ready for this job and had to learn. This cost this team a sure bid to the NCAA. They are coming along, but I will be interested to see how they compete against top notch competition. Bruce Pearl borrowed a saying from Ray Mears which went something like anyone, any place, any time. Somehow, that doesn't seem to be the case any longer at UT, in Football or Basketball.

Ridiculous comments by both of you. Harris was gone, he said so himself. If Bruce was here he couldn't recruit for 2 years, the program would fall off the map after this year. We would have been hammered by the ncaa. As in lost scholies. We wouldn't have had one available for Stokes. Pearl is better suited for an underdog role. His first two teams would have run circles around the others. The product dramatically dropped off. I will agree the team had 4 stars, but none of them had done anything under Pearl. Maymon was a fat out of shape player, has carried the team at times this year. Every player has improved, something you never saw under Pearl. I loved Pearl while he was here, but don't miss now. He will never coach big time basketball again.

FWBVol writes:

in response to 10seVol85:

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I'll admit I might be wrong about Pearl and whether he could have stayed with the show cause, but it seems you agree with me that if Pearl were still the coach all of the tournament talk would be a moot point because of the sanctions against the program.

mivol writes:

I think that Pearl wanted to be another Calapari and get the 1 and done players. He didn't teach or grow his players in the way it seams that Martin does. I don't know how many times that I thought that the Vols played "stupid" while under Pearl yet I feel that this year's team plays with a lot of basketball intelligence, except for Golden during a couple of end game scenarios. I think Ut has definitely traded up even if the schemes are more blue collar than when under Pearl.

The article though, I think is idiotic and the writer is fishing for comments to fill a performance quota.

climberNeeds2workATwendys writes:

i guess Coach Martin has to paint his chest and bob up in down in the stands to get his critics to like him..i prefer coach Martin's coaching..defense..teaching(as in getting the players to get better as the season goes along)..class..and teaching them to make free throws at the end of the game..

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