Kenny Hall won't play in SEC tournament

Martin keeps suspended center on sidelines

Tennessee forward Kenny Hall (20) shoots as South Carolina forward Carlton Geathers (45) and guard Damien Leonard (32) defend during the second half at Thompson-Boling Arena Tenn., Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2012.  Tennessee won 69-57 over South Carolina.  (ADAM BRIMER/NEWS SENTINEL)

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Tennessee forward Kenny Hall (20) shoots as South Carolina forward Carlton Geathers (45) and guard Damien Leonard (32) defend during the second half at Thompson-Boling Arena Tenn., Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2012. Tennessee won 69-57 over South Carolina. (ADAM BRIMER/NEWS SENTINEL)

Tennessee coach Cuonzo Martin announced Monday that the suspension of junior center Kenny Hall will be extended through the SEC men's basketball tournament.

Hall was suspended indefinitely on Feb. 15, right before the Vols' home win over Arkansas, for conduct detrimental to the team.

UT opens the SEC tournament in New Orleans at 7:30 p.m. on Friday (TV: WVLT) against the winner of Thursday's first-round game between No. 7-seed Ole Miss (18-12, 8-8) and No. 10 Auburn (15-15, 5-11).

UT beat the Rebels 73-60 on Feb. 22 in Thompson-Boling Arena and scored a 64-49 home win over Auburn on Jan. 28.

Hall, who has not played in the past six game or practiced with the team, started the two games before his suspension and was averaging 6.2 points, 4.5 rebounds and 20 minutes per contest this season.

Martin said Sunday that Hall's return to the team would be contingent on how he operates within undisclosed guidelines.

"It depends on his everyday activities and if he does the things he's supposed to do,'' Martin said. "It's evaluated day-by-day.''

Mike Griffith covers Tennessee men's basketball. Follow him at http://twitter.com/MikeGriffith32

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Witch_Doctors writes:

Witch Doctor say if this had been Dooley, Hyams would be reporting he was secretly ON the team! haha
Bones never lie.

Flabbergasted writes:

I hope Hall comes back next year, but if not, maybe we can pick up another player that would contribute in 2012/2013. Who knows? He might not be the only player that doesn't come back next year. I trust the coach.

brod writes:

not good. team is playing good, but still could use hall.

John_10065 writes:

in response to Flabbergasted:

I hope Hall comes back next year, but if not, maybe we can pick up another player that would contribute in 2012/2013. Who knows? He might not be the only player that doesn't come back next year. I trust the coach.

If he is being evaluated day to day and it's up to him to do what the coach wants to get back on the team and it's been this long and he still hasn't done what is required...do we really want him back?

VolunteerLifer writes:

Notice what Coach Martin did NOT say: he did not say Kenny would be suspended for an NIT or NCAA appearance by the team. He did not say Kenny would be suspended from the team this entire season. He did not say Hall was in danger of being dismissed from the program altogether.

Snapshot writes:

Anyone know what he is suspended for? Evidently it is not bad enough to kick him off the team. Just wondering.

RememberWhen writes:

in response to John_10065:

If he is being evaluated day to day and it's up to him to do what the coach wants to get back on the team and it's been this long and he still hasn't done what is required...do we really want him back?

"we"???? didn't know "we" had any votes!!

keepitreal4vols writes:

in response to VolunteerLifer:

Notice what Coach Martin did NOT say: he did not say Kenny would be suspended for an NIT or NCAA appearance by the team. He did not say Kenny would be suspended from the team this entire season. He did not say Hall was in danger of being dismissed from the program altogether.

And he did NOT say what Kenny Hall did.

Bigger_Al writes:

Day by day. Would be good to have the big body, but opens the door for Miller to get PT. And Miller can shoot the J.

johnlg00 writes:

I know lots of us are frustrated that no details have come out about this situation. However, the situation is clearly complicated for a number of reasons. For one thing, it could harm Hall's reputation if the details came out. We can assume it is not a criminal matter or he would have been arrested or charged with something and we WOULD know about that. I THINK we can assume it isn't a matter of academic dishonesty or, again, that would be part of an administrative action that would likely be public, if not in all its details. So let's assume it is some relatively trivial matter of failing to comply with internal team rules. If so, it is somewhat encouraging that, as someone else said, Hall and Martin are still working through the situation together and all may turn out well enough in the end. In any case, it speaks well for the solidarity of the program that no one has talked out of school, so to speak. It is nearly always better to work out issues within the family than it is to air everybody's dirty laundry in public, so people aren't locked into public positions that are difficult to backtrack on.

thevoice writes:

Hmm. Sounds like Hall is repeatedly (every day) violating team rules. I wonder if Martin's handling of this case has actually helped this team. We'll never know, but I like everything about Martin.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to 10seVol85:

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That kid is a rising senior in HS so he won't be available for next year anyway, after which the Vols will have several scholarships to offer. That guy may only be a 3-star now, but he will have all of next year to rise in the ratings and he already has several offers from good programs. Big kids can blossom a lot quicker than smaller ones, especially if he just had a recent growth spurt and hasn't fully learned how to handle his new height. He might also be a bit thin and lacking strength, two things that could change a lot in the year and half to go before he enters college.

jt45 writes:

I hope everything gets worked out and he returns
to the team a better student athlete.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to thevoice:

Hmm. Sounds like Hall is repeatedly (every day) violating team rules. I wonder if Martin's handling of this case has actually helped this team. We'll never know, but I like everything about Martin.

Not necessarily; Martin may have stipulated that he has to do, or maybe NOT do, whatever it is for a number of days in a row, or something like that, before he is satisfied that Hall deserves to be back on the team. As long as the team understands what the situation is and no one doubts what rules are involved or what the penalties are for breaking them, it can only help the team going forward, both internally and for what it says publicly about Martin as a tough but fair disciplinarian.

jakethevolguy writes:

in response to johnlg00:

That kid is a rising senior in HS so he won't be available for next year anyway, after which the Vols will have several scholarships to offer. That guy may only be a 3-star now, but he will have all of next year to rise in the ratings and he already has several offers from good programs. Big kids can blossom a lot quicker than smaller ones, especially if he just had a recent growth spurt and hasn't fully learned how to handle his new height. He might also be a bit thin and lacking strength, two things that could change a lot in the year and half to go before he enters college.

Are you sure he's a senior in HS. If so, he would be playing in college somewhere next year. Maybe he's a junior which would mean he'll be a senior in HS NEXT year.

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctor say if this had been Dooley, Hyams would be reporting he was secretly ON the team! haha
Bones never lie.

In NO WAY can Dooley be compared to Cuonzo. Dooley wouldn't have suspended a key player at such a pivotal moment as Zo did. Matter of fact, can't remember when was the last time Dooley suspended any meaningful players for any games. On the other hand, Zo suspended Hall at a VERY KEY moment in the season. A time where we were scratching and clawing to get into the NIT/NCAA tournament. And the funny thing is...This team actually got BETTER when Hall was suspended. Maybe Dooley could learn from this. Make a statement and sit your troublesome players. Don't give them time off in the offseason while everyone else is working their butts off (Janzen, DaRick). Sit their azzes come gametime. Believe it or not, your team morale and results might just improve, even if it's a key player.

Again, didn't really plan on discussing Dooley when I came on here. But This is an area in which Dooley has failed miserably, and IMO has FAR more to do with his results than the youth and talent.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to jakethevolguy:

Are you sure he's a senior in HS. If so, he would be playing in college somewhere next year. Maybe he's a junior which would mean he'll be a senior in HS NEXT year.

The term I used is RISING senior; that means he is GOING to be a senior, i.e., just finishing his junior season. I see you know the difference, so you just didn't read my post closely enough.

John_10065 writes:

in response to RememberWhen:

"we"???? didn't know "we" had any votes!!

Did I say anything about voting? Oh wait! "We" are just fans, "we" aren't supposed to have an opinion!

Thanks for clearing that up for me skippy.

wagee12 writes:

in response to Rich_Is_Re-born:

In NO WAY can Dooley be compared to Cuonzo. Dooley wouldn't have suspended a key player at such a pivotal moment as Zo did. Matter of fact, can't remember when was the last time Dooley suspended any meaningful players for any games. On the other hand, Zo suspended Hall at a VERY KEY moment in the season. A time where we were scratching and clawing to get into the NIT/NCAA tournament. And the funny thing is...This team actually got BETTER when Hall was suspended. Maybe Dooley could learn from this. Make a statement and sit your troublesome players. Don't give them time off in the offseason while everyone else is working their butts off (Janzen, DaRick). Sit their azzes come gametime. Believe it or not, your team morale and results might just improve, even if it's a key player.

Again, didn't really plan on discussing Dooley when I came on here. But This is an area in which Dooley has failed miserably, and IMO has FAR more to do with his results than the youth and talent.

Thanks so much for your expert (?) opinion on CDD and a classic But Monkey! You are obviously anti-Dooley and frankly you negatrons are really getting tedious and boring.

Witch_Doctors writes:

in response to Rich_Is_Re-born:

In NO WAY can Dooley be compared to Cuonzo. Dooley wouldn't have suspended a key player at such a pivotal moment as Zo did. Matter of fact, can't remember when was the last time Dooley suspended any meaningful players for any games. On the other hand, Zo suspended Hall at a VERY KEY moment in the season. A time where we were scratching and clawing to get into the NIT/NCAA tournament. And the funny thing is...This team actually got BETTER when Hall was suspended. Maybe Dooley could learn from this. Make a statement and sit your troublesome players. Don't give them time off in the offseason while everyone else is working their butts off (Janzen, DaRick). Sit their azzes come gametime. Believe it or not, your team morale and results might just improve, even if it's a key player.

Again, didn't really plan on discussing Dooley when I came on here. But This is an area in which Dooley has failed miserably, and IMO has FAR more to do with his results than the youth and talent.

Witch Doctor was knocking Hyams reporting..lol
Bones never lie.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to Rich_Is_Re-born:

In NO WAY can Dooley be compared to Cuonzo. Dooley wouldn't have suspended a key player at such a pivotal moment as Zo did. Matter of fact, can't remember when was the last time Dooley suspended any meaningful players for any games. On the other hand, Zo suspended Hall at a VERY KEY moment in the season. A time where we were scratching and clawing to get into the NIT/NCAA tournament. And the funny thing is...This team actually got BETTER when Hall was suspended. Maybe Dooley could learn from this. Make a statement and sit your troublesome players. Don't give them time off in the offseason while everyone else is working their butts off (Janzen, DaRick). Sit their azzes come gametime. Believe it or not, your team morale and results might just improve, even if it's a key player.

Again, didn't really plan on discussing Dooley when I came on here. But This is an area in which Dooley has failed miserably, and IMO has FAR more to do with his results than the youth and talent.

Good points. I have said many times that I HOPE Dooley does well this year because I don't want to have to start over yet again with our--what?--fourth coach in six years. However, I agree completely that a coach has to be ruthless with rule-breakers and slackers if he expects everybody else to toe the line. The players CANNOT get the idea that the rules aren't the same for everybody. Players can and should be treated as individuals WITHIN a well-defined system, but they can't be allowed to flout the system entirely by deciding for themselves when, how, and how hard to play and practice. The right kind of players don't WANT the system to break down, and all we have heard from Dooley is that he wants players who will follow the rules and work and play as a team. It's "put or shut up" time for Dooley in several ways. Any coach who is willing to sacrifice basic principles of program-building for the sake of a season or favored individuals doesn't deserve a program in the first place.

carbonzip writes:

If Stokes can handle Ezelie, he can handle just about anybody in the college game.

Witch_Doctors writes:

in response to carbonzip:

If Stokes can handle Ezelie, he can handle just about anybody in the college game.

Witch Doctor say Ezelie as big as anyone he will ever face and pretty much pushed him all over the court on both sides. Witch Doctor say it must sting when a "high school" kid does that. lol.
Bones never lie.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to 10seVol85:

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I confess that I might have jumped the gun on the Dooley situation specifically, since I don't know any more than the "rumors" you mentioned about dissension on the team or some such. I stand by the essence of my other remarks, in the general sense of "if the shoe fits, wear it".

However, in answer to one of your other points, I absolutely WOULD suspend a key player who did wrong before a key game if I had made it clear in advance just what kind of offenses would warrant such a suspension. If you want to run a program, you have to spell out these things in advance and then you have to stick to them, NO MATTER WHAT. Having a program MEANS that you have standards for important things, but the standards don't mean anything if you don't hold people to them, from the top down.

RoadTrip writes:

in response to Snapshot:

Anyone know what he is suspended for? Evidently it is not bad enough to kick him off the team. Just wondering.

Weed per off the record sources. Not the first time either.

Witch_Doctors writes:

in response to RoadTrip:

Weed per off the record sources. Not the first time either.

Poison ivy?. lol
Bones never lie.

BigOrangeSmoker writes:

Maybe Kenny will go ahead and eith go pro or transfer to a team that appericates his talent,this is a disgrace

Witch_Doctors writes:

in response to BigOrangeSmoker:

Maybe Kenny will go ahead and eith go pro or transfer to a team that appericates his talent,this is a disgrace

Witch Doctor say maybe the Thrifty Nickle will hire you away from KNS? lol
Bones never lie.

thevoice writes:

in response to johnlg00:

Not necessarily; Martin may have stipulated that he has to do, or maybe NOT do, whatever it is for a number of days in a row, or something like that, before he is satisfied that Hall deserves to be back on the team. As long as the team understands what the situation is and no one doubts what rules are involved or what the penalties are for breaking them, it can only help the team going forward, both internally and for what it says publicly about Martin as a tough but fair disciplinarian.

I get your point. Martin said things were evaluated day-to-day. I just surmised that potentially things could be back to good any day now.

Witch_Doctors writes:

in response to BigOrangeSmoker:

Maybe Kenny will go ahead and eith go pro or transfer to a team that appericates his talent,this is a disgrace

Witch Doctor just flip the first page on your past post.. KNS for sure
DEC 23rd you whined

"yeah your right this was a great sign for the team but martin aint got what it takes to coach...this kid is good enough he dont need a coaching coach,thank god.He will teach martin a thang or two"
HAHAHAHAHA Witch Doctor say how did that work?
Bones never lie.

Witch_Doctors writes:

*dont get so thin-skinned either. if you guys can dish it out..take like men. Witch Doctor say everyone knows..
Bones never lie.
*anyone seen TJ lately? He started calling them out and I aint seen him.

41_14gbo writes:

Mr. Hall's error in judgement is serving him and all others on this team. As well as alerting the parents of prospective players that Coach Martin is a coach/parent and not a cheerleader. Hall's loss has motivated others to play well and helped them realized how good they might actually have it. It should also be noted that Coach's defensive philosophy is also his 'life' philosophy... nothing worth having is easily gained. If only Hopson could have known how much he would have learned by staying in school.

volcycle writes:

in response to Rich_Is_Re-born:

In NO WAY can Dooley be compared to Cuonzo. Dooley wouldn't have suspended a key player at such a pivotal moment as Zo did. Matter of fact, can't remember when was the last time Dooley suspended any meaningful players for any games. On the other hand, Zo suspended Hall at a VERY KEY moment in the season. A time where we were scratching and clawing to get into the NIT/NCAA tournament. And the funny thing is...This team actually got BETTER when Hall was suspended. Maybe Dooley could learn from this. Make a statement and sit your troublesome players. Don't give them time off in the offseason while everyone else is working their butts off (Janzen, DaRick). Sit their azzes come gametime. Believe it or not, your team morale and results might just improve, even if it's a key player.

Again, didn't really plan on discussing Dooley when I came on here. But This is an area in which Dooley has failed miserably, and IMO has FAR more to do with his results than the youth and talent.

Umm......didn't Dooley kick Janzen Jackson off of the team?

carbonzip writes:

I like it that Martin doesn't single out players for public criticism. Nobody has to "step up" after a loss and everybody gets credit after a win. It was worth all the frustration this season to see Tatum play the way he did on Saturday. Taylor didn't do a lot against us this time. I hope Hall makes a comeback.

Ironcity writes:

in response to RoadTrip:

Weed per off the record sources. Not the first time either.

Their is a standard policy of missed games for weed and athletes at UT. Not sure what it is but it is out of the hands of the coaches as to how short it can be. A coach can however extend it if he believes he should. In this case I don't know if anyone knows for sure whats truly going on with KH.

I like Hall and think he is a good player however that is the one position we are actually deep at with players who have essentially the same skill level and skill set as KH. I hope he gets himself straight and can help us again but if he can't the program will be in good hands.

I_Bleed_Orng writes:

in response to BigOrangeSmoker:

Maybe Kenny will go ahead and eith go pro or transfer to a team that appericates his talent,this is a disgrace

Moron.

Usually try not to throw insults around, but hey, if the shoe fits.

Witch_Doctors writes:

in response to I_Bleed_Orng:

Moron.

Usually try not to throw insults around, but hey, if the shoe fits.

Witch Doctor say go thru his old post. Witch Doctor say copy and repost and he becomes irrelevant. Witch Doctor say westknoxrepub/semiprohandcapper and the others past post are their kryptonite. lol
Bones never lie.

VolGrad writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctor say maybe the Thrifty Nickle will hire you away from KNS? lol
Bones never lie.

He He. WD, you've got your WorDs sharpened to a fine point today.

GBO!

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

in response to 10seVol85:

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Didn't say he should do it for big games. Was basically saying that Martin did it regardless. He did it at a very pivotal time in the season which could have really backfired on him. But he did it and the team actually got better.

As for Dooley, since when is giving Janzen the entire off season after MULTIPLE offenses helping when the ENTIRE team is busting their butts. And don't tell me there were not issues during the season, there were SERIOUS problems and he sat on his hands. Now there are still issues and if it doesn't stop it will affect the team. It's affected the team and the coaching staff. If you were a player who made good grades and kept you nose clean, yet another dude got 15 chances, then after b
Continually being disruptive and held out of camps, he walks right in and starts, how would you feel? There have been several chances for Dooley to live by his VFL motto, and he's not done it.

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctor just flip the first page on your past post.. KNS for sure
DEC 23rd you whined

"yeah your right this was a great sign for the team but martin aint got what it takes to coach...this kid is good enough he dont need a coaching coach,thank god.He will teach martin a thang or two"
HAHAHAHAHA Witch Doctor say how did that work?
Bones never lie.

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

in response to volcycle:

Umm......didn't Dooley kick Janzen Jackson off of the team?

He gave dude the entire offseason off. Not sure I've ever seen that. Wonder how that sat with the other hard working kids who just knew he was gonna start when he came back. The kids who would have gotten booted from the team if they did the same things he and DaRick have done.

mocsandvolsfan writes:

I'm assuming that everything will work out for the ncaas(or NIT). If the hope of SEC play didn't spark him maybe the big tourney(NCAA) will. NIT is not as big a tourney to me as SEC. But it'll be games played and some exposure too. anyhow I wish the best for Hall. He was really getting some good time in before the suspension. I agree that we actually played better without him but we may have played even better with him??LOL WHO KNOWS?

johnlg00 writes:

in response to BigOrangeSmoker:

Maybe Kenny will go ahead and eith go pro or transfer to a team that appericates his talent,this is a disgrace

You embarrass yourself on here every time you post, but that doesn't seem to stop you. It's not that Martin doesn't appreciate his basketball talents, it's that he appreciates his potential as a person MORE than he appreciates his talents. He wants him to change his life in a way that will benefit him forever rather than allow him to slide in the hope of winning another basketball game or two. That is a concept a person such as yourself probably can't understand. It is the reason why Martin has the respect he has from everybody worthwhile, while you are just, well, YOU, all alone in your miserable ignorance.

underthehill writes:

in response to johnlg00:

You embarrass yourself on here every time you post, but that doesn't seem to stop you. It's not that Martin doesn't appreciate his basketball talents, it's that he appreciates his potential as a person MORE than he appreciates his talents. He wants him to change his life in a way that will benefit him forever rather than allow him to slide in the hope of winning another basketball game or two. That is a concept a person such as yourself probably can't understand. It is the reason why Martin has the respect he has from everybody worthwhile, while you are just, well, YOU, all alone in your miserable ignorance.

In order to recognize the character Martin has and wants his players to have ..you have to have a bit of it yourself...you seem to be such a person..and one who recognizes those who are not..

abnerPeabody writes:

in response to John_10065:

If he is being evaluated day to day and it's up to him to do what the coach wants to get back on the team and it's been this long and he still hasn't done what is required...do we really want him back?

I don't believe we will see Kenny Hall anymore this year. He is not practicing with the team and is likely already out of playing shape and would not help anymore if he came back for NIT or NCAA tournaments. He is out for the SEC tourney as stated by Martin.

FanNotSheep writes:

UT is in better shape having made the jump to a 2-seed. Playing four games in four days would have been a much bigger problem with limited inside depth. Still, the fact that sticking to his guns could cost his team a huge win is proof we have a coach who puts a whole lot of stock in adherence to team rules.

The Vols control their fate. I don't think they have to beat Kentucky to get to the NCAA but please, let's not get upset in the opening round. I always worry the team with a game under its belt comes out of the gates fast in game 2. Whether they can sustain it for 40 minutes is another question. But if UT can win the first one, I ain't gonna be the guy to say they can't win the crown.

I already made the mistake of doubting this coach. I won't make the same mistake twice.

doctorvol#211700 writes:

in response to Bigger_Al:

Day by day. Would be good to have the big body, but opens the door for Miller to get PT. And Miller can shoot the J.

overall, Hall is much more valuable at this point than Miller and/or Yemi. He plays hard and is very good defensively. He was awesome the last home game in which he played.

voldog70 writes:

in response to Rich_Is_Re-born:

In NO WAY can Dooley be compared to Cuonzo. Dooley wouldn't have suspended a key player at such a pivotal moment as Zo did. Matter of fact, can't remember when was the last time Dooley suspended any meaningful players for any games. On the other hand, Zo suspended Hall at a VERY KEY moment in the season. A time where we were scratching and clawing to get into the NIT/NCAA tournament. And the funny thing is...This team actually got BETTER when Hall was suspended. Maybe Dooley could learn from this. Make a statement and sit your troublesome players. Don't give them time off in the offseason while everyone else is working their butts off (Janzen, DaRick). Sit their azzes come gametime. Believe it or not, your team morale and results might just improve, even if it's a key player.

Again, didn't really plan on discussing Dooley when I came on here. But This is an area in which Dooley has failed miserably, and IMO has FAR more to do with his results than the youth and talent.

I guess I would have to question your basketball knowledge if you think Hall was a key player. The team seems to be playing pretty good without him. May be a distraction if he were to come back!

VolunteerLifer writes:

in response to doctorvol#211700:

overall, Hall is much more valuable at this point than Miller and/or Yemi. He plays hard and is very good defensively. He was awesome the last home game in which he played.

I agree. Kenny has three years of competition at this level under his belt, is maturing physically, and is a good talent. Miller doesn't have the same experience although he's the same age and Yemi is a year or two behind Hall. I think he is a much better player than either of those two and is very important to the team long term, even if he has stupidly made himself absent for the short-term.

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

in response to voldog70:

I guess I would have to question your basketball knowledge if you think Hall was a key player. The team seems to be playing pretty good without him. May be a distraction if he were to come back!

Check his stats. Yes he's an important player. He plays tough D and is a good rebounder. We lack depth, so 5 pts and 5 reb per game off the bench is a big deal.

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