Vanderbilt gets second SEC coach fired

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Tennessee coach Derek Dooley leaves the field after the loss to Vanderbilt at Vanderbilt Stadium in Nashville on Saturday.

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AMY SMOTHERMAN BURGESS/NEWS SENTINEL Tennessee coach Derek Dooley leaves the field after the loss to Vanderbilt at Vanderbilt Stadium in Nashville on Saturday.

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For the second time in three weeks last Saturday, Vanderbilt pummeled an SEC opponent that used to have its way with the Commodores.

And for the second Sunday in November, the embattled head coach of the losing team was handed his walking papers.

Tennessee’s Derek Dooley and Kentucky’s Joker Phillips were likely on their way out. But when their athletics directors and fan bases watched a rebuilt Vanderbilt program on the way up hang 40 or more points on their floundering teams, an immediate response was triggered.

The coaching change for which Vanderbilt could end up being most responsible in 2012 hasn’t happened yet. Auburn’s Gene Chizik still has his job for the moment, though most have been forecasting his departure since a 17-13 loss on Oct. 20 in Nashville.

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VOLS34 writes:

Dooley was gone long before the Vandy game....

asleep#212036 writes:

I'm from Nashville and it's ridiculous that the Dores have gotten so cocky. This season they have yet to beat a BCS team with a winning record and yet they seem to think they are getting people "fired". Philips wasn't fired at Kentucky, his contract wasn't extended and that's a big difference. Dooley was going to be fired anyway, the powers-that-be were simply waiting to see if we could make a bowl game. Apparently our players were savvy enough to see the writing on the wall and mailed it in in Nashville. I now live in north Alabama near engineer-rich Huntsville, prime Auburn country. Beating Vanderbilt would not have saved Chizik's job nor did that loss cost him his job. Excluding 2010, with Cam and Tuberville's 24 seniors, his record at Auburn will be 19-19, not exactly lights out. Like Dooley, he was a bad hire in retrospect, a man with limited HC experience and who had a losing record at that. I think the real issue is that Vanderbilt is, was, and always will be bottom tier and yes, losing to them is so humiliating that teams might consider firing their coach for no other reason than a loss to them. However, in none of these cases was that the situation. Settle down Vandy fans, you are not now, nor will you ever be, relevant in the upper levels of the SEC in football. Go Vols!!!

Dickattrade writes:

I will not read this garbage but will assume what it says.. kiss my grits Nashville writer. This saga was over long before the Vandy game.
Enjoy what little you have going now because it will be over much sooner that you expect.Remember who you are!!!!! VFL

madrigal writes:

Why is it so hard for people to accept that Vandy football could actually become respectable? Get over it and move on...

sec_fan writes:

in response to asleep#212036:

I'm from Nashville and it's ridiculous that the Dores have gotten so cocky. This season they have yet to beat a BCS team with a winning record and yet they seem to think they are getting people "fired". Philips wasn't fired at Kentucky, his contract wasn't extended and that's a big difference. Dooley was going to be fired anyway, the powers-that-be were simply waiting to see if we could make a bowl game. Apparently our players were savvy enough to see the writing on the wall and mailed it in in Nashville. I now live in north Alabama near engineer-rich Huntsville, prime Auburn country. Beating Vanderbilt would not have saved Chizik's job nor did that loss cost him his job. Excluding 2010, with Cam and Tuberville's 24 seniors, his record at Auburn will be 19-19, not exactly lights out. Like Dooley, he was a bad hire in retrospect, a man with limited HC experience and who had a losing record at that. I think the real issue is that Vanderbilt is, was, and always will be bottom tier and yes, losing to them is so humiliating that teams might consider firing their coach for no other reason than a loss to them. However, in none of these cases was that the situation. Settle down Vandy fans, you are not now, nor will you ever be, relevant in the upper levels of the SEC in football. Go Vols!!!

Vanderbilt didn't say they got them fired Jeff Lockridge. It is actually and insult saying Vanderbilt is so bad that the coach gets fired if they lose they them. Dooley was gone after the lose to Missouri, and Joker was gone after only 18,000 fans showed up for the game.

FWBVol writes:

If you are dumb enough to believe this trasg about Vandy getting Dooley fired then it's easy to say Tennessee has been responsible for getting the last 20 Commodore coaches fired.

Yes, Vandy is on an upswing, but I'd be surprised if James Franklin isn't being courted by much more illustrious programs than Vanderbilt and will be gone no later than the 2013 season. Then it will be back to business as normal in Nashville.

underthehill writes:

in response to madrigal:

Why is it so hard for people to accept that Vandy football could actually become respectable? Get over it and move on...

Vandy has a coach who is obviously responsible for their improvement.. expect Vandy to do everything reasonable to keep him..he appears to be an excellent recruiter..had the best recruiting class last year in Vandy's history and an even better one lined up this year..hoping Vandy loses their coach so UT can again beat them seems to be a poor solution to the problem...Improving your own product would be better...

Colliervol writes:

in response to madrigal:

Why is it so hard for people to accept that Vandy football could actually become respectable? Get over it and move on...

It's not hard to accept that Vandy is "respectable" for the moment. But there are degrees of "respectable" when you haven't beaten a team with a winning record. When Franklin goes to greener pastures (which he will at some point), we shall see if they can remain there.

However, to use a headline of "Vandy gets second coach fired" is absolutely ludicrous. UT was done well before they got to Nashville and just went through the motions. What got Dooley fired was 4 and 19 in the conference and 0 and 15 against Top 25 foes. Heck, two of the four wins that he had were against Vandy so what does that tell you. Absolutely hilarious to think that Vandy was the impetus behind it. They just happened to be in the right place at the right time when the wheels totally came off.

Orange_Juiced writes:

I only ever knew one Vandy fan in my lifetime and I have lived in TN within 200 miles of Nashville for 49 years. I have known plenty of Vandy alumni...but only one fan...and he was a snarky elitist with a "Vanderbilt...THE University of Tennessee" bumper sticker on his beamer. Point is that I am sure that there are a few out there that wear the "Vandy got Dooley Fired" mantra as a badge of honor. And yes DD's fate had been sealed before the Vandy game...but it was Vandy that was the proverbial "straw" that brought about the hours later firing. Vandy beat the Vols...Dooley fired the next day. I do hope they wear it as a badge of honor because as "asleep" and a few others have pointed out--getting beaten by Vandy gets your coach fired. e.g. your coach must really suck if you get beat by Vandy. It won't be long before they figure out their badge of honor is really a "kick me" sign on their backs because that's just the way it is when you are Vandy

Red_October writes:

I think the writer is giving Vandy waaaaay too much credit. Dooley was gone, regardless of the Vandy / UT outcome.

dvols writes:

TN, Arkansas, Auburm, Kentucky need coaches;

which could possibly open up 4 more schools looking for a coach...Im sure coach Franklin will land nicely somewhere..

underthehill writes:

in response to Colliervol:

It's not hard to accept that Vandy is "respectable" for the moment. But there are degrees of "respectable" when you haven't beaten a team with a winning record. When Franklin goes to greener pastures (which he will at some point), we shall see if they can remain there.

However, to use a headline of "Vandy gets second coach fired" is absolutely ludicrous. UT was done well before they got to Nashville and just went through the motions. What got Dooley fired was 4 and 19 in the conference and 0 and 15 against Top 25 foes. Heck, two of the four wins that he had were against Vandy so what does that tell you. Absolutely hilarious to think that Vandy was the impetus behind it. They just happened to be in the right place at the right time when the wheels totally came off.

I think you are right to say it wasn't just the loss to Vandy that got Dooley fired but didn't Hart indicate UT would have kept Dooley another year if they had beat Vandy, Ky and won a bowl..could be wrong ..but I thought that may have happened due to the money situation..anyway..it appears you are wrong to say it is not hard to accept Vandy is respectable at the moment..I watched Vandy play several games this year and they are a well coached team that plays their hearts out till the final horn..unlike the current Vols..this is not easy for UT fans who are used to seeing Vandy teams overwhelmed by superior talent and unable to make up the difference with coaching and effort..now Franklin is starting to get good recruiting classes and if that continues..the next hurdle Vandy has to overcome is the perception they should lose to higher ranked teams and game deciding calls will not go their way..this year against S Car..Vandy had a pass interference against them that was not called which would have give them the ball at the S Car 40 with 2 min on the clock..I think your comment on this was you didn't like to see this happen to any team..I don't either..I like to see games decided by players and coaches ..not officials..the best way for UT to catch and pass Vandy is to put a better product on the field..not hope they lose their coach..

MathMan1973 writes:

in response to underthehill:

I think you are right to say it wasn't just the loss to Vandy that got Dooley fired but didn't Hart indicate UT would have kept Dooley another year if they had beat Vandy, Ky and won a bowl..could be wrong ..but I thought that may have happened due to the money situation..anyway..it appears you are wrong to say it is not hard to accept Vandy is respectable at the moment..I watched Vandy play several games this year and they are a well coached team that plays their hearts out till the final horn..unlike the current Vols..this is not easy for UT fans who are used to seeing Vandy teams overwhelmed by superior talent and unable to make up the difference with coaching and effort..now Franklin is starting to get good recruiting classes and if that continues..the next hurdle Vandy has to overcome is the perception they should lose to higher ranked teams and game deciding calls will not go their way..this year against S Car..Vandy had a pass interference against them that was not called which would have give them the ball at the S Car 40 with 2 min on the clock..I think your comment on this was you didn't like to see this happen to any team..I don't either..I like to see games decided by players and coaches ..not officials..the best way for UT to catch and pass Vandy is to put a better product on the field..not hope they lose their coach..

You hit the nail on the head! UT sidewalk fans are known to "build their VOLS up by attempting to tear their opponents down". The best Team and their Coaches won on Saturday night 41 to 18. P.S. If Vandy had not played conservatively, they would have scored 60+ points...

snuffysmiff writes:

in response to dvols:

TN, Arkansas, Auburm, Kentucky need coaches;

which could possibly open up 4 more schools looking for a coach...Im sure coach Franklin will land nicely somewhere..

Since Vandy is a private school it doesn't have to disclose James Franklin's salary, but it is said by some to be 3 million dollars, which is more than Dooley's salary at UT, more than Steve Spurrier's, and more than Dan Mullen's. Believable? I don't know, and there is no way you can know unless you have inside information. VU raised the bar quite high for him if they are paying that kind of cash for a coordinator elevated to HC.

MathMan1973 writes:

I have not heard one Vandy fan echo this sentiment about getting a coach fired...Vandy is EXTREMELY HAPPY WITH Coach Franklin, his Staff and the VU Football Team...UT fans WAKE UP and understand it is about talent and character on and off the football field! Good luck in hiring your next coach. I am sure that you are tired of the revolving door that your program has become. It is time to solidify your role as a solid second tier SEC football program...The glory days are gone for UT football...

MathMan1973 writes:

in response to snuffysmiff:

Since Vandy is a private school it doesn't have to disclose James Franklin's salary, but it is said by some to be 3 million dollars, which is more than Dooley's salary at UT, more than Steve Spurrier's, and more than Dan Mullen's. Believable? I don't know, and there is no way you can know unless you have inside information. VU raised the bar quite high for him if they are paying that kind of cash for a coordinator elevated to HC.

Franklin definitely appears to be worth whatever he is being paid!

NeylandWest writes:

in response to Colliervol:

It's not hard to accept that Vandy is "respectable" for the moment. But there are degrees of "respectable" when you haven't beaten a team with a winning record. When Franklin goes to greener pastures (which he will at some point), we shall see if they can remain there.

However, to use a headline of "Vandy gets second coach fired" is absolutely ludicrous. UT was done well before they got to Nashville and just went through the motions. What got Dooley fired was 4 and 19 in the conference and 0 and 15 against Top 25 foes. Heck, two of the four wins that he had were against Vandy so what does that tell you. Absolutely hilarious to think that Vandy was the impetus behind it. They just happened to be in the right place at the right time when the wheels totally came off.

So true, so very true. But please don't tell too many Vandy fans about this! It could completely ruin their holidays and deflate their golden egos!

Bless their heart...when Vandy wins a football game they remind me of the little boy that just got his first kiss and doesn't know who to tell first.

MathMan1973 writes:

in response to Orange_Juiced:

I only ever knew one Vandy fan in my lifetime and I have lived in TN within 200 miles of Nashville for 49 years. I have known plenty of Vandy alumni...but only one fan...and he was a snarky elitist with a "Vanderbilt...THE University of Tennessee" bumper sticker on his beamer. Point is that I am sure that there are a few out there that wear the "Vandy got Dooley Fired" mantra as a badge of honor. And yes DD's fate had been sealed before the Vandy game...but it was Vandy that was the proverbial "straw" that brought about the hours later firing. Vandy beat the Vols...Dooley fired the next day. I do hope they wear it as a badge of honor because as "asleep" and a few others have pointed out--getting beaten by Vandy gets your coach fired. e.g. your coach must really suck if you get beat by Vandy. It won't be long before they figure out their badge of honor is really a "kick me" sign on their backs because that's just the way it is when you are Vandy

The last time UT played in Nashville, I sat beside a number of drunk arrogant VOL fans...This year, I sat by a few arrogant VOL fans...A thought for a coach that would fit right in with the Vol nation is Bobby Petrino...A truly arrogant a**.

snuffysmiff writes:

in response to MathMan1973:

Franklin definitely appears to be worth whatever he is being paid!

Next year tells the tale with Franklin and Vandy. I think he has quite a bit of graduation losses after this season. If he fields a good team next season then I'd say pay the man. There does seem to be a whole different attitude about serious football at VU nowadays.

MathMan1973 writes:

in response to snuffysmiff:

Next year tells the tale with Franklin and Vandy. I think he has quite a bit of graduation losses after this season. If he fields a good team next season then I'd say pay the man. There does seem to be a whole different attitude about serious football at VU nowadays.

I agree...

underthehill writes:

in response to NeylandWest:

So true, so very true. But please don't tell too many Vandy fans about this! It could completely ruin their holidays and deflate their golden egos!

Bless their heart...when Vandy wins a football game they remind me of the little boy that just got his first kiss and doesn't know who to tell first.

ESPN appeared more than willing to tell the whole country about it..I think they praised the job Franklin is doing..how 9 4* players were attending, Vandy has the #15 recruiting class on Rivals etc..I'm sure they had something good to say about UT ..but I didn't catch what it was..again let me say..UT has to improve the product on the field to change the current image of UT football...

MathMan1973 writes:

in response to underthehill:

ESPN appeared more than willing to tell the whole country about it..I think they praised the job Franklin is doing..how 9 4* players were attending, Vandy has the #15 recruiting class on Rivals etc..I'm sure they had something good to say about UT ..but I didn't catch what it was..again let me say..UT has to improve the product on the field to change the current image of UT football...

I listened to ESPN...There were three UT related comments...UT was blown out by Vandy, UT fired Derek Dooley and it would be a major struggle for UT to get a top notch coach to replace CDD...

By the way, Vandy players made two of the top ten highlight plays for college football this weekend!

orangecountyvols writes:

Title town and fellow Lizard trolls,

What's going on on the Florida website/websites? Do you even have one?????
We acknowledge your constant presence here along with the now suddenly 'powerhouse' Vandy fans who have come out of the closets with a few wins ( except for South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, and not having to play Alabama, LSU and the like ).

We've long noted the appeal trolls have had with the site. Hardly any Tennessee fans lower themselves to stalk on rivals' sites.
That's the price Vols have to pay for winning so many games over the years. These Florida and Vandy fans know now is the time to flaunt themselves.........while they can.

WelovePat writes:

in response to MathMan1973:

You hit the nail on the head! UT sidewalk fans are known to "build their VOLS up by attempting to tear their opponents down". The best Team and their Coaches won on Saturday night 41 to 18. P.S. If Vandy had not played conservatively, they would have scored 60+ points...

Really? Vandy beat what was already deemed to be a cruddy team. Beat a team that seems to be invinsible when they are on top of their game and then we will talk!!

jt45 writes:

Cicada Bugs get to see the light about as often
as Vandy gets a win against the Vols.

They then wither away and croak .

They will be back in another 13 to 17 yrs.

AllforTenn writes:

in response to madrigal:

Why is it so hard for people to accept that Vandy football could actually become respectable? Get over it and move on...

Vandy's season may be respectable for Vandy fans, but not for the rest of the SEC (well, maybe Kentucky - which is a team on Vandy's level).

MathMan1973 writes:

in response to AllforTenn:

Vandy's season may be respectable for Vandy fans, but not for the rest of the SEC (well, maybe Kentucky - which is a team on Vandy's level).

"...and for now both Vandy and Kentucky own the VOLS"

AllforTenn writes:

in response to MathMan1973:

I have not heard one Vandy fan echo this sentiment about getting a coach fired...Vandy is EXTREMELY HAPPY WITH Coach Franklin, his Staff and the VU Football Team...UT fans WAKE UP and understand it is about talent and character on and off the football field! Good luck in hiring your next coach. I am sure that you are tired of the revolving door that your program has become. It is time to solidify your role as a solid second tier SEC football program...The glory days are gone for UT football...

You wish. Tennessee is a known football program which will live way above Vandy. Second tier? All programs have periods of losing. How about Alabama and its years of losing before Saban, was it a "second tier" program? Vandy is still, and will always be, second tier.

AllforTenn writes:

in response to MathMan1973:

"...and for now both Vandy and Kentucky own the VOLS"

One year each. Now go back to 20+ years of losing.

MathMan1973 writes:

in response to WelovePat:

Really? Vandy beat what was already deemed to be a cruddy team. Beat a team that seems to be invinsible when they are on top of their game and then we will talk!!

I would use hammered rather than beat...ROFL

Let's talk when the VOLS play in their next bowl game...probably a few years down the road...LOL

MathMan1973 writes:

in response to AllforTenn:

You wish. Tennessee is a known football program which will live way above Vandy. Second tier? All programs have periods of losing. How about Alabama and its years of losing before Saban, was it a "second tier" program? Vandy is still, and will always be, second tier.

For a "known program", wasn't it a shame that UT had to BEG CDD to take the job three years ago...P.S. For a "known program", I find it strange that Coach Cutcliff has already removed his name from consideration. Again, I say UT is and will remain second tier...Vandy may also be second tier; however, they have already won five SEC games this year. What is UT's SEC record this year ZERO AND SEVEN? If memory serves me right...Football Teams are measured on their current records (i.e. UT, Kentucky and Auburn tied for LAST IN THE SEC)

Orange_Juiced writes:

in response to MathMan1973:

I would use hammered rather than beat...ROFL

Let's talk when the VOLS play in their next bowl game...probably a few years down the road...LOL

I've only ever known one Vandy fan in my 49 years...oh wait...

I knew this guy who was a Vandy fan. You are a lot like him. I have no doubt that he would come to a Vols message board to gloat about a win and he too would put on the persona that he was only here to speak the truth and be magnanimous. Yeah right...where were you last year...and the year before...and the previous 29 years out of the past 31...

MathMan1973 writes:

in response to Orange_Juiced:

I've only ever known one Vandy fan in my 49 years...oh wait...

I knew this guy who was a Vandy fan. You are a lot like him. I have no doubt that he would come to a Vols message board to gloat about a win and he too would put on the persona that he was only here to speak the truth and be magnanimous. Yeah right...where were you last year...and the year before...and the previous 29 years out of the past 31...

I was right here and took the s*** from your Dumba** CDD and VOL fans...Remember CDD's You Tube rant and UT cheer...Orange_Juiced remember "Payback is a B****". You will find this out when you have to hire another lack luster coach. ROFL

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