David Climer: UT racking up more buyouts than wins

Tennessee head coach Derek Dooley watches play against Vanderbilt at Vanderbilt Stadium in Nashville on Saturday, Nov. 17, 2012. Vanderbilt defeated Tennessee 41-18. (AMY SMOTHERMAN BURGESS/NEWS SENTINEL)

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Tennessee head coach Derek Dooley watches play against Vanderbilt at Vanderbilt Stadium in Nashville on Saturday, Nov. 17, 2012. Vanderbilt defeated Tennessee 41-18. (AMY SMOTHERMAN BURGESS/NEWS SENTINEL)

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When he is identified and hired, the new football coach will be the highest-paid person at the University of Tennessee.

The second-highest paid person at UT?

The former football coach.

For winning 15 games and losing 21 times over the past three seasons, Derek Dooley walks away from Vol Ball with $5 million in parting gifts. In January, Dooley will start collecting monthly installments of $104,166.66 through 2016.

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Comments » 23

2Geezy writes:

I don't understand why these schools/teams give coaches these big buyouts (really its a big bonus) for not getting the job done. That is so stupid, and something should be done to stop it.

shipperman#280095 writes:

I don't understand why KNS gives this Nashville dude space in their paper

Volunatic writes:

File this under "Duh".

sctnvol writes:

Nothing liking kicking someone when they are down. He's as bad as Mark Wiedmer with Times-Free Press in Chattanooga.

Pistolpete13579 writes:

Climer cries about getting a new coach. Then cries about the buyouts .......
Climer the town crier and clown has spoken

Clowns never lie...... (sorry Witchie)

CoverOrange writes:

in response to 2Geezy:

I don't understand why these schools/teams give coaches these big buyouts (really its a big bonus) for not getting the job done. That is so stupid, and something should be done to stop it.

I understand the big payouts, to prevent being fired on a whim, but what I don't understand is the lack of a minimal performance clause.

6972 writes:

$104 K a month for not working anymore...I am now in the process of looking for a job where I am paid not to work....and I'll settle for just a $100 K a month. No point in being greedy. Who would write that contract?

No more buyouts! Perform and get paid! Fail and be fired! There is not a person (or very few) reading this, if they were fired would get a dime. I am not angry about DD's buyout, just mystified by all these buyouts!I think it borders on the absurd for the reason I have stated.

LovinMyVols writes:

Fulmer did great things for this University. It doesn't matter what side of the argument you come down on on if he should have been fired. The man brought a National Championship...I don't begrudge him his buyout. I look at it more as a parting gift for some really great years.

Dooley's buyout on the other hand....

antonio14313 writes:

in response to Pistolpete13579:

Climer cries about getting a new coach. Then cries about the buyouts .......
Climer the town crier and clown has spoken

Clowns never lie...... (sorry Witchie)

exactly! david climer is a complete idiot. plain and simple. go vols.

t

arkyvol writes:

that the vols find themselves on the verge of football irrelevance is not the legacy of the fulmer-kiffin-dooley fiasco. the real disaster was mike hamilton, the a.d. equivalent of ebola or lassa fever.

cltvol writes:

in response to LovinMyVols:

Fulmer did great things for this University. It doesn't matter what side of the argument you come down on on if he should have been fired. The man brought a National Championship...I don't begrudge him his buyout. I look at it more as a parting gift for some really great years.

Dooley's buyout on the other hand....

I'll go along with that. I think he would still be here, if he had somehow re-lit his fire after he got rich or if he could have come up with a quality successor to Cutcliffe. I think the two go hand in hand.

vfl76 writes:

Well we have helped Cutcliffe sign an extension till 2019. College are running scared of UT stealing their coaches. Memphis will probably be next...HaHa!

ChiefOrangeblood writes:

in response to CoverOrange:

I understand the big payouts, to prevent being fired on a whim, but what I don't understand is the lack of a minimal performance clause.

I agree that a buyout can prevent a coach from being fired on a whim. With the pressure that comes along college athletics, that is understandable. What I do not understand is paying a buy out for a firing that was the result of misconduct, as is the case with Bruce Pearl. If a coach lies, cheats etc, and the offence is bad enough to warrant being fired, the coach should not be entitled to a buy out.
Additionally, if a buy out is in the contract, minimum job expectations should also be included for the coach to be eligible to receive that money. In my job, I am motivated in part by the fear of losing my job if I don't perform to expectations. If I knew I would receive several years salary if I was fired for poor performance, I certainly would not be as motivated. At about mid-season, it seemed that Dooley lost some of his motivation and could see the writing on the wall. Instead of saying "I need to get it together and save my job" perhaps he said "Oh well, at least I get five million dollars!" That never helps a program in the long run, only hurts.

Vol_in_Mich writes:

Well, that was a waste of time.

VolGrad writes:

... and DC, you're trying my patience more than informing me of anything.

Go write a real story. How about a series: write a piece about each of the seniors? Find some information not many of us already know about, instead of just "editorializing," throwing more shards of broken glass around.

Go Vols! Beat the Wildcats!!!

SummittsCourt writes:

in response to 2Geezy:

I don't understand why these schools/teams give coaches these big buyouts (really its a big bonus) for not getting the job done. That is so stupid, and something should be done to stop it.

No school would be able to hire a coach without a clause it in. Would you go to work for someone knowing if you fail you will be fired? Well, most of us have to, but not if you didn't have to.

Imagine that. If you could take a job on contract and after 3 years they decided they wanted to can you and they still had to pay you for the next 2 years! We would all jump on that wouldn't we.

It is a sign of the times. So then, just imagine what the buyout clause is going to be for the next coach since this will be the fourth one in six years. No stability here.

arkyvol writes:

considering the money being offered for actually performing--usually referred to as the salary, i suspect there's more than one up and comer who'd take the job in an instant. what we've actually got is a variation on the star system that's all the rage on wall street and in corporate boardrooms now days--getting there is the only criteria. competence and performance are irrelevant.

Twelvethirtyone writes:

Please forgive my ignorance... but why are we so gung ho over Jon Gruden?
Sure he might bring an all star coaching staff, and maybe he brings a commanding presence... but at what cost?
Fact: Jon Gruden was successful on the Pro level and won a Super Bowl.
Ok, but does that guarentee success on the College level? And how soon before he would want to return to the Pro level?
Fact: Jon Gruden would most likely bring an all-star coaching staff.
Great.. but didn't Lane Kiffin already do that? Were we that much better with his staff?
Fact: Jon Gruden is an Offensive and Quarterback guru / genius.
But our offense is not broken? We average 36 points a game and over 450 yards per game. We would stand to lose an excellent OC in Chaney, a RB coach (Jay Graham) and Offensive Line Coach (Sam Pittman) that came in here and improved our running game tremendously since last year, and a QB Coach that recruits have said they love in Hinshaw.
Fact: Gruden would command at least $5M and probably over $6M a year.
Are there not other coaches interested in the UT Coaching position that would cost the university much less and be able to produce similar results. Hiring Gruden would not bring instant National Championships. Neither would hiring any other coach. So why not go with a Defensive minded coach that would command less money from UT and may agree to keep some or all of an Offensive coaching staff that has produced?

Anyway... with that in mind, here is my wish list for the next coach:

1. Charlie Strong. Charlie would command less money than my othr choices, and is considered to be popular among recruits and players. I'm thinking he would cost between $3M-4M per year...
2. Bob Stoops. Bob is proven n the college level to win. I don't think he has ny NC's, but h is great recruiter and he has several Conference Championships. He is not number 1 on my list solely because he would command $4-5M per year.
3. Jimbo Fisher. Jimbo is a good coach and an excellent recruiter. As I understand it, he's not too thrilled with his current coaching position and would seriously consider working for Hart again and helping Tennessee get back to the top 10 level. I am guessing we could get him for around $4M a year, which would be a slight raise in his current salary...

Is anybody else confused by all the Gruden-Mania running rampant? I want to win as much as anyone, but hiring Gruden does not make sense to me... :)

tovolny writes:

I WISH THE KNS's pair of JACKS would not include GOMER CLIMER's stupidity and ridicule on the GOVOLSXTRA site. I only know 2 or 3 people at KNS that are Vol fans, so it probably won't happen.

Wouldn't it be great if the KNS people were as committed to UT as the Columbus Dispatch is to Ohio State. Go to buckeyextra.com sometime and you will marvel how great it could be in Knoxville. We UT fans are stuck with the jealousy of the Nashville people and the Chattanooga people, while being left with an inept bunch of managers at KNS.

Please, don't everybody start ragging me about wanting news through rose colored glasses. I just want HONEST stuff. I do not want a bunch of fabricated remarks from the jerks in Nashville and Chattanooga. They can write anything they want in their sports sections; but, I would like to see GoVolsXtra be a place where Vol fans could get honest, un-biased information.

tovolny writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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You need to check Climer's bio. Do you not know "for whom Climer roots?"

ChiefOrangeblood writes:

in response to Twelvethirtyone:

Please forgive my ignorance... but why are we so gung ho over Jon Gruden?
Sure he might bring an all star coaching staff, and maybe he brings a commanding presence... but at what cost?
Fact: Jon Gruden was successful on the Pro level and won a Super Bowl.
Ok, but does that guarentee success on the College level? And how soon before he would want to return to the Pro level?
Fact: Jon Gruden would most likely bring an all-star coaching staff.
Great.. but didn't Lane Kiffin already do that? Were we that much better with his staff?
Fact: Jon Gruden is an Offensive and Quarterback guru / genius.
But our offense is not broken? We average 36 points a game and over 450 yards per game. We would stand to lose an excellent OC in Chaney, a RB coach (Jay Graham) and Offensive Line Coach (Sam Pittman) that came in here and improved our running game tremendously since last year, and a QB Coach that recruits have said they love in Hinshaw.
Fact: Gruden would command at least $5M and probably over $6M a year.
Are there not other coaches interested in the UT Coaching position that would cost the university much less and be able to produce similar results. Hiring Gruden would not bring instant National Championships. Neither would hiring any other coach. So why not go with a Defensive minded coach that would command less money from UT and may agree to keep some or all of an Offensive coaching staff that has produced?

Anyway... with that in mind, here is my wish list for the next coach:

1. Charlie Strong. Charlie would command less money than my othr choices, and is considered to be popular among recruits and players. I'm thinking he would cost between $3M-4M per year...
2. Bob Stoops. Bob is proven n the college level to win. I don't think he has ny NC's, but h is great recruiter and he has several Conference Championships. He is not number 1 on my list solely because he would command $4-5M per year.
3. Jimbo Fisher. Jimbo is a good coach and an excellent recruiter. As I understand it, he's not too thrilled with his current coaching position and would seriously consider working for Hart again and helping Tennessee get back to the top 10 level. I am guessing we could get him for around $4M a year, which would be a slight raise in his current salary...

Is anybody else confused by all the Gruden-Mania running rampant? I want to win as much as anyone, but hiring Gruden does not make sense to me... :)

Jon Gruden would be great for UT's program simply for the ability he would have to recruit. Imagine being a highly ranked high school player with hopes of someday playing in the NFL (they all think they will play in the NFL at that age). You get visits from numerous coaches like Saban, Miles, Spurrier and Charlie Strong. Who would you be more likely to go with? Probably not Strong. We need a coach who can convince these players to go to UT. Grudden would bring that immediately and lets face it, games are easier to win when you have better players than the other team. UT's next coach needs to be someone who will intimidate other school's coaches as well as the fans, not someone who comes from a school who plays no one. Gruden can do that too.
The other coaches on your list would not save much money and would probably not really be interested anyway. Stoops aready has a great job in a good program for about the same money as he would get at UT.
Of course there are no guarantees that Grudden would be a great coach at UT, but there are no guarantees that anyone would. Bottom line, being in the SEC we need someone that can compare to Nick Saban and I thik, like many of us "Grudden-maniacs" that Chuckie can do just that.

calvolfromkingsport writes:

Sounds to me like Derek("have to be a dumb-$$ to resign")Dooley was a lot smarter than folks in E Tn gave him credit for. I wonder if Hammy gets a commission. I think Jerry Green played ol Hammy's boss the same way. Gotta love the charity from the top brass at the University of Tennessee.

slov writes:

in response to antonio14313:

exactly! david climer is a complete idiot. plain and simple. go vols.

t

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