Jay Greeson: Is Gruden the right solution for the Vols?

Jon Gruden has become a hot item on the coaching wish list this season. 

(Associated Press)

Jon Gruden has become a hot item on the coaching wish list this season. (Associated Press)

The questions about Jon Gruden and the University of Tennessee have consumed the state.

Will he come? Will he go to Philadelphia? Will he stay at ESPN?

It's impossible to know unless you are in the power-broker meetings reserved for folks with the really good seats on Saturday and the checking accounts measured by commas rather than zeros.

It hit such a high-water mark on the Sea of Disbelief that the air waves Wednesday were filled with erroneous reports that renowned UT booster Jim Haslam III would include an ownership piece of his newly purchased Cleveland Browns as part of the deal to lure Gruden to Knoxville.

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volipop3#328757 writes:

Seems like a good choice for me!

CCLC writes:

How ironic is it that three years removed from the HC at LATECH..... SOD is gone from UT and LaTech is in the top 20 and Sonny Dykes is nominated for Coach of the Year. It's a crazy world.
"

Gwinnett Daily Post

Richt, Muschamp Coach-of-the-year semi-finalists

Monday, November 19, 2012

ATHENS, Ga. — University of Georgia Head Coach Mark Richt and University of Florida Head Coach Will Muschamp are among 16 semi-finalists for the Maxwell Football Club's Coach-of-the-Year award.

MFC President Ron Jaworski announced the finalists Monday. Texas A&M Head Coach Kevin Sumlin rounds out the list of Southeastern Conference coaches named Monday, according to the SEC website.

The other coaches nominated are:

Dave Doeren, Northern Illinois

Sonny Dykes, Louisiana Tech

Darrell Hazell, Kent State

Brian Kelly, Notre Dame

Chip Kelly, Oregon State

Mike MacIntyre, San Jose State

Urban Meyer, Ohio State

Jim Mora, UCLA

Will Muschamp, Florida

Bill O'Brien, Penn State

Mark Richt, Georgia

Mike Riley, Oregon State

David Shaw, Stanford

Bill Snyder, Kansas State

Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M

Dabo Swinney, Clemson

©2012 Gwinnett Daily Post Desktop Site

BigOrangeSports writes:

I don't particularly care to see Gruden at UT. This will be only a short term fix before he moves on to something else, IMO. I do like Jimbo, IF his OC follows his DC to KY and we can keep Chaney and some of his crew. I didn't see any major problems with our Offense this year and as Fisher is an O-type guy, I hope he comes in looking to build a crew and retains some of our current ones.

volbike writes:

Only about 1/3 of the coaching positions are open at SEC schools. LOL
Volbike’s Law that no matter how improved the facilities, coaches, recruits, contributions, concessions, whatever, for every game played there will still be an equal number of losses and wins.
When put together with AmFlyer’s corollary about MAC and Southern Conference schools and the like SEC (and maybe all schools) have to win a minimum of three of four non-conference games and at least ½ their conference games to get to 7-5 on average.
When you have at least four schools winning 10 games almost every year that does not leave enough wins for the rest.
Now how many schools anymore would be satisfied going 7-5 every year?
As I have said many times the coaching carousel is going to spend faster and faster.
Few school will compromise success for sentimentality of hiring alums.
Coaches will feel no loyalty to any school not that they should.
The really successful coaches will be lured by greater challenges at other schools or taking a shot at the pros.
The unsuccessful coaches will……. well we know they will be selling life insurance while living off the guarantees.
I doubt many if any coaches will ever last 12-13 years at a school like Mark Richt has any more.
The salaries are still escalating……….
The greatest fear of SEC coaches is the possibility of going to a 9 game conference schedule which reduces the creampuffs by 25%!
I think the Little Ten, Big Twelve, and Pac 12 have already decided to go to 9.
It is great fro the season ticket holders.
If so there will hardly ever be a significant out of conference opponent except the in-state rivals at SC, GA, and FL.

CCLC writes:

"Did anyone in Tennessee ever actually see Gruden coach or know the history of what he did to the Buccaneers? He took over a stacked Tony Dungy / Monte Kiffin lead team, gave it a worse offense than it had before and then road that defense to the Super Bowl in which the defense outscored the Raiders offense. Following the Super Bowl Gruden wanted to prove to everyone that HE could win the Super Bowl without Dungy’s players which is why he did stupid stuff like let Warren Sapp walk and cut John Lynch. He chased off the GM of the team that built it from the ground up so he could bring in his hand picked GM. Since that pesky non-idiot GM was no longer there to stop him he used up the freed cap space to sign 35-year old offense linemen and running backs. In the end Tampa hasn’t won a playoff game since that Super Bowl, which was won with Tony Dungy’s team and Monte Kiffin’s defense. If I was in Tennessee I’d hope that Gruden stayed far away, which I’m guessing he will do since it’s always about Gruden. He loves letting his name getting attached to stuff since he has to be the star, but at the end of the day you’d be better off taking any random qualified candidate."

tomatosoup writes:

Alright folks....like most, I'm getting tired of all the coaching rumors that seem be surrounding this program. Yesterday, I was so convinced that an announcement would be made by the end of my workday that Grudent was coming....only be let down AGAIN! Today, I'm on another bandwagon of sorts...what does anyone think about Al Golden possibly coming to UT from the U? I've read allot this morning that leads me to believe Golden has an interview with Dave Hart today and wasn't sure what to think right off the bat. After doing some research on Golden, I'm actually thinking he might be the "home run" I've been waiting for. Yes, Gruden would be a great "flash" right away and would really jump start our recruitng program but honestly.....everything I've read this morning abut Golden says he wold be an awesome fit. It appears that everywhere this dude has gone, great things have happend to their programs! Alright....here goes my excitement again! Go Vols and come on Dave Hart....bring Golden to K'town! Go Vols!!!

orange_eVOLution writes:

Thanks for asking, Jay. YES.

gglardon50#417841 writes:

It is going to be Ron Zonk!!!!!!! The Tennessee Zookers-sounds good.

secondcreek writes:

Reposting from yesterday-

Even the knoxnews.com site makes a case for hiring the head coach of Northern Illinois University, Dave Doeren:

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/nov...

Proven winner, NIU Huskies ranked #19 in AP top 25 final regular season poll. He would be a lot cheaper than the celebrity coaches (Gruden), ones with a lot of baggage (Petrino), and better than the has-beens whose names have been tossed around.

From Wikipedia-

The Dave Doeren Era (2011-present)
Despite fears that losing Jerry Kill to the Golden Gophers might hurt the Huskies, under Coach Doeren the Huskies have actually improved their level of performance. The Huskies went 11-3 in Doeren's first season, and won their first MAC Championship since 1983 in a thrilling 23-20 comback win against Ohio, while also defeating the Arkansas State Red Wolves in a come-from-behind thriller in the 2012 GoDaddy.com Bowl.

As of 2012, NIU has won 10 conference and 3 division titles, appeared in twelve Division I-A and College Division Bowl Games (winning five), and has accumulated over 500 wins and an all-time winning mark that is above .500.

Through their first 12 games of the 2012 season, NIU has compiled an 11-1 record and has clinched their third consecutive MAC West Divisional Championship. They will also play in their third consecutive MAC Championship Game.

smugolf08 writes:

This just in...I will be serving Coca Cola at all the Tennessee games next year..didn't need another issue to complain about

CrankE writes:

"...five years from now will it be just a sizzle hire or will it be Tennessee's solution. Because we all know they are not necessarily the same thing."

Outstanding! +1000

This is the concern I have for UT right now. We don't need a coach who gives us this great "sugar rush high." What UT needs is a coach who can build a strong foundation which is tied into solid rock, not another sand castle that will only be swept away by the tide (or Tide if you like).

Kim JonGruden may be the sexiest coaching hire in the world (according to The Onion and several Chinese Communist Party Newsletters), but he has NOT been the head coach of a college team. Almost everything I hear regarding Gruden just screams "sugar rush."

Dooley was learning through on the job training. Whoever UT hires this time must absolutely, no doubt, 100% KNOW THAT HE KNOWS THAT HE KNOWS how to run a college football program, coach the team and win.

mocsandvolsfan writes:

in response to CCLC:

How ironic is it that three years removed from the HC at LATECH..... SOD is gone from UT and LaTech is in the top 20 and Sonny Dykes is nominated for Coach of the Year. It's a crazy world.
"

Gwinnett Daily Post

Richt, Muschamp Coach-of-the-year semi-finalists

Monday, November 19, 2012

ATHENS, Ga. — University of Georgia Head Coach Mark Richt and University of Florida Head Coach Will Muschamp are among 16 semi-finalists for the Maxwell Football Club's Coach-of-the-Year award.

MFC President Ron Jaworski announced the finalists Monday. Texas A&M Head Coach Kevin Sumlin rounds out the list of Southeastern Conference coaches named Monday, according to the SEC website.

The other coaches nominated are:

Dave Doeren, Northern Illinois

Sonny Dykes, Louisiana Tech

Darrell Hazell, Kent State

Brian Kelly, Notre Dame

Chip Kelly, Oregon State

Mike MacIntyre, San Jose State

Urban Meyer, Ohio State

Jim Mora, UCLA

Will Muschamp, Florida

Bill O'Brien, Penn State

Mark Richt, Georgia

Mike Riley, Oregon State

David Shaw, Stanford

Bill Snyder, Kansas State

Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M

Dabo Swinney, Clemson

©2012 Gwinnett Daily Post Desktop Site

Yeh? Well Dooley probably made more money than most of those on the list. He also had as good an offense as MOST of those. Too bad he only saw the "long-view" as far as the defense(or lack of) was concerned.

mocsandvolsfan writes:

in response to CrankE:

"...five years from now will it be just a sizzle hire or will it be Tennessee's solution. Because we all know they are not necessarily the same thing."

Outstanding! +1000

This is the concern I have for UT right now. We don't need a coach who gives us this great "sugar rush high." What UT needs is a coach who can build a strong foundation which is tied into solid rock, not another sand castle that will only be swept away by the tide (or Tide if you like).

Kim JonGruden may be the sexiest coaching hire in the world (according to The Onion and several Chinese Communist Party Newsletters), but he has NOT been the head coach of a college team. Almost everything I hear regarding Gruden just screams "sugar rush."

Dooley was learning through on the job training. Whoever UT hires this time must absolutely, no doubt, 100% KNOW THAT HE KNOWS THAT HE KNOWS how to run a college football program, coach the team and win.

It's the "sandcastles" that are built in a day.
To build on a good foundation you need the time to do so. Ask Pete Carroll.

That said I can't say I believe we should have kept Dooley. Not after losing so many games strictly on the defensive choice.

ournextguest writes:

in response to gglardon50#417841:

It is going to be Ron Zonk!!!!!!! The Tennessee Zookers-sounds good.

And you last name must be Depshet

Dickattrade writes:

No one seems to be aware of a dark horse candidate who could rise to the top if a few big name coaches reject us..Keep in mind the name of ....Darrell Hazell.
Could be the answer to our needs.. Please don't laugh befor you do your research....VFL

CCLC writes:

in response to mocsandvolsfan:

Yeh? Well Dooley probably made more money than most of those on the list. He also had as good an offense as MOST of those. Too bad he only saw the "long-view" as far as the defense(or lack of) was concerned.

Soooooo you are making a case for an overpaid Offensive Coordinator?

chrisvol4ut writes:

in response to mocsandvolsfan:

It's the "sandcastles" that are built in a day.
To build on a good foundation you need the time to do so. Ask Pete Carroll.

That said I can't say I believe we should have kept Dooley. Not after losing so many games strictly on the defensive choice.

OMG, someone still thinks Dooley should be our coach!? This is the funniest thing I have ever seen. Dooley sabbotagged your program during the Vandy game you fool. Were you proud of that effort against Kentucky last year? Yeah, lets keep him around. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

proudveteran writes:

in response to BigOrangeSports:

I don't particularly care to see Gruden at UT. This will be only a short term fix before he moves on to something else, IMO. I do like Jimbo, IF his OC follows his DC to KY and we can keep Chaney and some of his crew. I didn't see any major problems with our Offense this year and as Fisher is an O-type guy, I hope he comes in looking to build a crew and retains some of our current ones.

I agree with you that Gruden would only be a short term fix. Although he may be a good football coach, I have doubts about him in college football. I too favor Jimbo Fisher as he is both a person with character and coaching ability. Fisher would be our best long term opportunity to restore the "Mighty Orange" to prominence. Keeping Chaney and his offensive staff is extremely important...UT does not need to install another offensive system that will take two years to accomplish with losses in the first year. Hire Fisher, keep Chaney and the offensive staff and bring in some defensive coaches that are recruiters as well as being coaches.

RoyaltyVol writes:

I still say Jimbo Fisher is our next coach. Fla St DC Stoops takes Kentucky job, OC Coley at Fla St considering OC job at Kentucky, Jimbo isnt happy at Fla St. One thing for sure, Jimbo Fisher wont be at Fla St next year and he will be in the SEC.

SummittsCourt writes:

Mike Singeltary?

mocsandvolsfan writes:

in response to CCLC:

Soooooo you are making a case for an overpaid Offensive Coordinator?

lmao...Dooley's probably happy for the time being. Let's don't spoil that.

tennrich1 writes:

in response to BigOrangeSports:

I don't particularly care to see Gruden at UT. This will be only a short term fix before he moves on to something else, IMO. I do like Jimbo, IF his OC follows his DC to KY and we can keep Chaney and some of his crew. I didn't see any major problems with our Offense this year and as Fisher is an O-type guy, I hope he comes in looking to build a crew and retains some of our current ones.

Actually my thinking is generally along these lines HOWEVER we DO need a short term fix and then we can deal with another coaching change if that happens....So if we get the chance to have, say, a Gruden I think you gotta pull the tigger and go with it as long as you can...shoots life back into a program that desperately needs it not to mention a huge boost in recruiting...but alas I dont think that will happen....

mocsandvolsfan writes:

in response to chrisvol4ut:

OMG, someone still thinks Dooley should be our coach!? This is the funniest thing I have ever seen. Dooley sabbotagged your program during the Vandy game you fool. Were you proud of that effort against Kentucky last year? Yeah, lets keep him around. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I don't really feel the need to defend what you THINK I said, I realize it's just bait to increase the posts.

There is no where in my statement that even hints that I said we should have kept Dooley.

Read the whole post before you respond. Otherwise you're the one who is the "fool".hehe

we couldn't have kept Dooley anyhow because I think he quit coaching about mid-way through the season(it seemed).

I apologize for going above your head.

6972 writes:

in response to smugolf08:

This just in...I will be serving Coca Cola at all the Tennessee games next year..didn't need another issue to complain about

Good to know, I was concerned about that and I will be continuing to provide toilet paper in all the johns. That just about covers the necessities.

6972 writes:

Side note:ESPN site reports that Strong has been contacted by Auburn which he denies.
Ky filled their spot....Auburn, Ark, and the Vols slots still open. Got to be a lot going on behind the scenes.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to SummittsCourt:

Mike Singeltary?

Yeah, he failed at Baylor and San Fran, UT should be a piece of cake..NOT!!

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to secondcreek:

Reposting from yesterday-

Even the knoxnews.com site makes a case for hiring the head coach of Northern Illinois University, Dave Doeren:

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/nov...

Proven winner, NIU Huskies ranked #19 in AP top 25 final regular season poll. He would be a lot cheaper than the celebrity coaches (Gruden), ones with a lot of baggage (Petrino), and better than the has-beens whose names have been tossed around.

From Wikipedia-

The Dave Doeren Era (2011-present)
Despite fears that losing Jerry Kill to the Golden Gophers might hurt the Huskies, under Coach Doeren the Huskies have actually improved their level of performance. The Huskies went 11-3 in Doeren's first season, and won their first MAC Championship since 1983 in a thrilling 23-20 comback win against Ohio, while also defeating the Arkansas State Red Wolves in a come-from-behind thriller in the 2012 GoDaddy.com Bowl.

As of 2012, NIU has won 10 conference and 3 division titles, appeared in twelve Division I-A and College Division Bowl Games (winning five), and has accumulated over 500 wins and an all-time winning mark that is above .500.

Through their first 12 games of the 2012 season, NIU has compiled an 11-1 record and has clinched their third consecutive MAC West Divisional Championship. They will also play in their third consecutive MAC Championship Game.

Sounds like a guy using the other guys talent to me..Bill Battle-esque.

FearTheVols1252 writes:

in response to gglardon50#417841:

It is going to be Ron Zonk!!!!!!! The Tennessee Zookers-sounds good.

Zook jokes = old. Walmart has originality on sale... go buy some.

FearTheVols1252 writes:

in response to CCLC:

"Did anyone in Tennessee ever actually see Gruden coach or know the history of what he did to the Buccaneers? He took over a stacked Tony Dungy / Monte Kiffin lead team, gave it a worse offense than it had before and then road that defense to the Super Bowl in which the defense outscored the Raiders offense. Following the Super Bowl Gruden wanted to prove to everyone that HE could win the Super Bowl without Dungy’s players which is why he did stupid stuff like let Warren Sapp walk and cut John Lynch. He chased off the GM of the team that built it from the ground up so he could bring in his hand picked GM. Since that pesky non-idiot GM was no longer there to stop him he used up the freed cap space to sign 35-year old offense linemen and running backs. In the end Tampa hasn’t won a playoff game since that Super Bowl, which was won with Tony Dungy’s team and Monte Kiffin’s defense. If I was in Tennessee I’d hope that Gruden stayed far away, which I’m guessing he will do since it’s always about Gruden. He loves letting his name getting attached to stuff since he has to be the star, but at the end of the day you’d be better off taking any random qualified candidate."

You can't always translate NFL success/failure to college. Spurrier was a horrible NFL coach, but great for college. Saban was 'ok' (to be kind) in the NFL, and he's currently the best coach in CFB.

I think there are definite question marks with Gruden, but I think the reward definitely out-weighs the risk.

dvhill100 writes:

I am also not sold on Gruden. It seems to be a binary solution with NFL coaches to the college ranks. They are either really good or really bad. Not much inbetween. Gruden would be a pretty good catch for recruiting, but not sure if he can win consistently in the college ranks.

123forVOLS writes:

There are definite question marks with Gruden. I loved the article which referred to all the talk as Grumors. But I will venture on to say there will be some definite questions no matter who is hired. Let's just wait and see. Folks going on and on about Dooley's Don'ts is unbecoming and a lot embarrassing. He's gone for heaven's sake! Finally, if we find ourselves genuinely comparing Dooley to the next hire, we are in a heap, heap of Big Trouble. Peace to all.

Ayres_Hall writes:

Gruden would only be a short term solution. 5 years if lucky. But if he were the HC for 5 years then we'd be right back to where we want to be.

CCLC writes:

in response to FearTheVols1252:

You can't always translate NFL success/failure to college. Spurrier was a horrible NFL coach, but great for college. Saban was 'ok' (to be kind) in the NFL, and he's currently the best coach in CFB.

I think there are definite question marks with Gruden, but I think the reward definitely out-weighs the risk.

Critical point that you seem to be ignoring here. The OBC and the Sabanator had both won NC in the college ranks and wanted to take their show to the bigs. Now what exactly has SOC done in the college ranks that makes him worthy of putting out all those mattress fires in Knoxvegas???????

CCLC writes:

in response to Ayres_Hall:

Gruden would only be a short term solution. 5 years if lucky. But if he were the HC for 5 years then we'd be right back to where we want to be.

Well this is where you are at and I don't think 5 years of Chucky's son changes that.
Just sayin'

Gat:http://georgiasports.blogspot.com/201...

vol49 writes:

I'm not too sold on Hart's comment about the next coach needing HC experience. The last one didn't seem to have any.

gillblog writes:

To me, the problems with Petrino are no more of a downside to him than the problems with Gruden. Different sets of baggage but the same number and weight of bags for both.

In the end, either would be bad for UT because either would dump the program and move on in 2-3 years and then we're back where we started.

Thus we can see, the best chance for finding what Greeson calls the "solution" will have to come from a short list of coaches with brief experience and at least moderate success. This doesn't look good.

rocky_topper writes:

The real question should be "Is Gator Cheek and Bama Hart the right solution for the Vols?"

RememberWhen writes:

I've been bashing folks for talking about stuff "they know from sources" and I stand by those comments,,,however,,, from a person actually in the room during talks comes this tidbit...

Hart is the hold-up. A deal is in place but Hart has concerns about Gruden's moral compass.

Now, believe what you want to believe but that is the word and as a believer in what Hart is trying to do with the department as a whole, I would not put his name out here like this if I had any doubts about the person that said this. So, there you go....bash, argue, scream, cry,,,,I don't really care - just sayin' what KNS either doesn't know or won't report.

RememberWhen writes:

in response to grimpmeister:

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maybe not the best option but not a bad thought at all.

RememberWhen writes:

in response to secondcreek:

Reposting from yesterday-

Even the knoxnews.com site makes a case for hiring the head coach of Northern Illinois University, Dave Doeren:

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/nov...

Proven winner, NIU Huskies ranked #19 in AP top 25 final regular season poll. He would be a lot cheaper than the celebrity coaches (Gruden), ones with a lot of baggage (Petrino), and better than the has-beens whose names have been tossed around.

From Wikipedia-

The Dave Doeren Era (2011-present)
Despite fears that losing Jerry Kill to the Golden Gophers might hurt the Huskies, under Coach Doeren the Huskies have actually improved their level of performance. The Huskies went 11-3 in Doeren's first season, and won their first MAC Championship since 1983 in a thrilling 23-20 comback win against Ohio, while also defeating the Arkansas State Red Wolves in a come-from-behind thriller in the 2012 GoDaddy.com Bowl.

As of 2012, NIU has won 10 conference and 3 division titles, appeared in twelve Division I-A and College Division Bowl Games (winning five), and has accumulated over 500 wins and an all-time winning mark that is above .500.

Through their first 12 games of the 2012 season, NIU has compiled an 11-1 record and has clinched their third consecutive MAC West Divisional Championship. They will also play in their third consecutive MAC Championship Game.

let's see now...Jerry Kill was a hot name a few years ago...left NIU for Minnesota...and how has that worked out??? So you're suggesting hiring his replacement at NIU who while having success is STILL a mid-major coach with relatively little HC experience. Sorry, but I believe we've seen that movie - it didn't end well.

secondcreek writes:

in response to SummittsCourt:

Mike Singeltary?

Good guy and a great player with the Bears...but he was awful as head coach for the San Francisco 49ers during his three years there. He was fired then the next year Jim Harbough took the 49ers to the NFC West Title and a loss away from the Super Bowl-with the same team that Singletary had basically.

underthehill writes:

in response to rocky_topper:

The real question should be "Is Gator Cheek and Bama Hart the right solution for the Vols?"

I think there is more evidence to indicate they are not than there is to indicate they are..going to be real interesting how the lawsuits that resulted from the merger turn out..I will be surprised if UT does not settle or lose ..and I think Hart hired Sunseri and set his salary despite what he may say..

shulessjo writes:

UT is on the verge of this becoming a media circus. Nobody wins if this occurs.

MathMan1973 writes:

Does anyone else feel frustrated that the VOLS are dragging their feet on selecting a new coach, while every other school is proactively reviewing and interviewing candidates? Who will be left to hire? I am sure that no coach is waiting on the VOLS to call...

civilianvol_formerly_marinevol writes:

Hart needs to introduce Petrino as the new coach within a week so he can get started on recruiting. He is clearly the best coach available and this really doesn't need to drag out any longer.

LovinMyVols writes:

Isn't it amazing that just a month ago the second season was starting and the conventional wisdom was Dooley would get another year if he won out?

Most of the rumour mill still points to Gruden, I think. Regardless of who UT hires, it should be a big step up from what we had.

gobigorange5090 writes:

in response to CCLC:

"Did anyone in Tennessee ever actually see Gruden coach or know the history of what he did to the Buccaneers? He took over a stacked Tony Dungy / Monte Kiffin lead team, gave it a worse offense than it had before and then road that defense to the Super Bowl in which the defense outscored the Raiders offense. Following the Super Bowl Gruden wanted to prove to everyone that HE could win the Super Bowl without Dungy’s players which is why he did stupid stuff like let Warren Sapp walk and cut John Lynch. He chased off the GM of the team that built it from the ground up so he could bring in his hand picked GM. Since that pesky non-idiot GM was no longer there to stop him he used up the freed cap space to sign 35-year old offense linemen and running backs. In the end Tampa hasn’t won a playoff game since that Super Bowl, which was won with Tony Dungy’s team and Monte Kiffin’s defense. If I was in Tennessee I’d hope that Gruden stayed far away, which I’m guessing he will do since it’s always about Gruden. He loves letting his name getting attached to stuff since he has to be the star, but at the end of the day you’d be better off taking any random qualified candidate."

You're 100% correct. Get ready for many Vols fans to disagree with you. They act like Gruden is a god.

lafollette37766 writes:

in response to CrankE:

"...five years from now will it be just a sizzle hire or will it be Tennessee's solution. Because we all know they are not necessarily the same thing."

Outstanding! +1000

This is the concern I have for UT right now. We don't need a coach who gives us this great "sugar rush high." What UT needs is a coach who can build a strong foundation which is tied into solid rock, not another sand castle that will only be swept away by the tide (or Tide if you like).

Kim JonGruden may be the sexiest coaching hire in the world (according to The Onion and several Chinese Communist Party Newsletters), but he has NOT been the head coach of a college team. Almost everything I hear regarding Gruden just screams "sugar rush."

Dooley was learning through on the job training. Whoever UT hires this time must absolutely, no doubt, 100% KNOW THAT HE KNOWS THAT HE KNOWS how to run a college football program, coach the team and win.

You just summed it up. There is a world of difference between the NFL and NCAA football game. In the NFL you have a huge staff that does everything including emptying the trash can. The NCAA you have limited staff and have to empty your own trash can. In the NFL you get players with huge sums of cash. You do that in the NCAA you get put on probation and lose scholarships. You have to sell the potential player on the school. UT would be better off with a proven college coach. Gruden would be a big name and that would go over with recruiting but he would have to learn the college rules all over. Just look at Lame Brain Kiffin, he came from the NFL and UT is on probation until 2015 because of him.

jjsteel writes:

in response to RememberWhen:

I've been bashing folks for talking about stuff "they know from sources" and I stand by those comments,,,however,,, from a person actually in the room during talks comes this tidbit...

Hart is the hold-up. A deal is in place but Hart has concerns about Gruden's moral compass.

Now, believe what you want to believe but that is the word and as a believer in what Hart is trying to do with the department as a whole, I would not put his name out here like this if I had any doubts about the person that said this. So, there you go....bash, argue, scream, cry,,,,I don't really care - just sayin' what KNS either doesn't know or won't report.

I can see where Hart would be skeptical that Gruden would bolt for a different job. (RE the other coach who bailed after one year) On the other hand, I would hope that with the ego Gruden has this would motivate him to attempt to surpass all other coaches accomplishments at UT. Which would mean longevity would be required.

VOLSONTHECOMEBACK writes:

I feel that if UT hired Gruden what qb or skilled position player on offense would not want to come to UT. Number one, Gruden will have the resources and facilities to honor his commitment to the athletes mother that he will make her son the best student athlete he can be. Number 2, Gruden has mad connections to the NFL and has a long track record of evaluating rookies (especially quarterbacks). If Gruden were to come into a recruit's house and say his mother, "I believe your kid will be a first rounder given that he works hard and sells into my system". Given that Gruden's speciality is evaluating NFL players, what recruit would not be intrigued by that statement? I remember hearing Nick Saban saying the same thing to Landon Collins and he seemed to listen. I'm sure there are a lot of coaches that tell the players what they want to hear and say a lot of fluff, but I believe that it means nothing unless the source has a history of developing and knowing talent. Number 3, Gruden will hire NFL assistant coaches that will be of high caliber. Those are the 3 biggest strengths with hiring Gruden.

Here are the biggest weaknesses:

UT will have to throw the bank in order to get Gruden and cover his assistants' salaries

How long will Gruden stay at UT until he considers running to an NFL team

If UT throws the bank at Gruden and he is unsuccessful after 3 seasons, what's next

How will Gruden's NFL coaching experience translate to college?

Out of all the weaknesses just mentioned, I believe the money aspect is the strongest. Gruden must be overly impressive in the interview process and needs credible backing with how he will get the program back on track for UT to pay him what he wants. If UT were to pay him some ridiculous salary, say $8 million a year, UT will go under if the football program doesn't improve. I'm a huge supporter of Gruden and believe that NFL coaching experience usually translates well to the college level. However, UT must have a contingency plan and a way for Gruden to honor his contract before they sign any papers. If UT is smart, they will guarentee him the money that he wants only if he meets the criteria on the contract. He should get a middle of the road to high baseline salary that will enable UT to recover if Gruden is not successful. If he meets the criteria on the contract, give him whatever he wants. I believe that you have to spend money in order to make money, but you have to have a contingency plan in case things fold. Despite Gruden's weaknesses, I think he is our strongest candidate to get UT back on track.

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