Sporting News: Duke, North Carolina to SEC a real possibility

North Carolina's Quinshad Davis (14) races ahead of the Maryland defense on a 50-yard pass completion from quarterback Bryn Renner for a third-quarter touchdown during an NCAA college football game Saturday, Nov. 24, 2012, in Chapel Hill, N.C. North Carolina won 45-38. (AP Photo/The News & Observer, Robert Willett) MANDATORY CREDIT

North Carolina's Quinshad Davis (14) races ahead of the Maryland defense on a 50-yard pass completion from quarterback Bryn Renner for a third-quarter touchdown during an NCAA college football game Saturday, Nov. 24, 2012, in Chapel Hill, N.C. North Carolina won 45-38. (AP Photo/The News & Observer, Robert Willett) MANDATORY CREDIT

A story published on Wednesday by Matt Hayes of the AOL/Sporting News was mainly focused on whether the University of Maryland could get out of its $50 million exit fee to the Atlantic Coast Conference as it moves to the Big 10, but it was a secondary topic that has begun to generate the most buzz.

Hayes said that the general consensus is that Clemson and Florida State are waiting to see how successful Maryland can be at reducing its payment, with both schools having a not-so-secret eye on the Big 12.

If Maryland can get the payment reduced, the expectation is that the Tigers and Seminoles will almost certainly jump to the Big 12, leaving the remnants of the ACC in scramble mode.

The widespread belief is that North Carolina and Duke are pledged to one another to do whatever the other does, and in this case that means likely choosing between the Big 10 and the SEC, with Hayes quoting a source as saying that the Tar Heels and Blue Devils have been in contact with the SEC for "the last three years."

Read Hayes' original story (focused more on the Maryland-buyout part) here.

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Jakevol writes:

TV ratings would go up getting into the NC. market. Ratings two weeks ago by Charlotte Observer showed NC was the top watched football team in NC followed by Duke,, which was interesting that Duke was second. They sure do carry a great round ball tradition.

voloffaith writes:

Kayucky and Dukey in the same bball conference..hmmmmmmmm...oh yeah tarred heels too

mocsandvolsfan writes:

"Nothin' stays the same"

BigOrangeSports writes:

This would be very good for SEC Basketball. I think it would hurt UT in Football recruiting. We do quite a bit of recruiting in NC currently. It would also mean Mizzou would most likely move to the West division to allow space in the East for those two teams, which may not be such a bad thing.

lemme_axya_this writes:

Cal decided he'd had enough of Indiana. If the Dukies and Tar Heels join the SEC he'll bolt KY for Prairie View A&M.

Southland writes:

the sec wants Va Tech and one of the North Carolina teams look for NC STate and neither of the ones mentioned in this article

mbible1utk#324980 writes:

adding Duke would improve the conference's academic standing....good add.

arkyvol writes:

duke and n.c. to the sec isn't going to happen. both suffer from the longhorn syndrome, i.e. they're ashamed of their historical ties to the south, and consider themselves too good to associate with institutions like tennessee and arkansas, where most of the supporters consider higher education with the same ardor they do a root canal, and at best, a necessary pretext to field a football team.

HopeisNotaCourseofAction writes:

Well ole Coach Cut may come back to Neyland after all...

CrankE writes:

Missouri in the SEC is a mystery unless you look at the academics. Which would explain UNC and Duke if they join as well.

In economic terms, bubbles inflate until they burst. Dot.Com bubble, tech bubble, housing bubble, Higher education, and now...sports. I believe that the higher education bubble and the sports bubble are close to going kaboom and shifting the market back to a much lower level.

For the ACC to give a haircut on the exit fee is a relaxing of the spine that the other, stronger conference members will recognize and act upon. And why did Maryland even decide to go? Because a) Maryland is in an enormous debt hole and b) The Big Ten (actual size 12) flashed a bunch of money and promised to make it rain all up in there. That unlealthy debt level makes an institution individually vulnerable and a conference corporately unstable. (Glad UTAD decided to get their own house in order-even if it makes the tenured, pompous, professors go, "tsk".)

Back to the SEC though, why are there no Florida institutions being considered? Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee have two member institutions per state. So did Georgia and Louisiana when GT and Tulane were in. Why not Florida-the most populous state in the conference? Why should UF have absolutely no in-state competition in the conference? Slive ought to be peppered with this question until he turns red.

Weatherman writes:

Great academic institutions...would definitely make sec basketball as dominant as it's football already is!

RoyaltyVol writes:

Would be a major boost for BB in the SEC, and a couple teams UT might actually beat in football, I like it!

westknoxrepub writes:

in response to CrankE:

Missouri in the SEC is a mystery unless you look at the academics. Which would explain UNC and Duke if they join as well.

In economic terms, bubbles inflate until they burst. Dot.Com bubble, tech bubble, housing bubble, Higher education, and now...sports. I believe that the higher education bubble and the sports bubble are close to going kaboom and shifting the market back to a much lower level.

For the ACC to give a haircut on the exit fee is a relaxing of the spine that the other, stronger conference members will recognize and act upon. And why did Maryland even decide to go? Because a) Maryland is in an enormous debt hole and b) The Big Ten (actual size 12) flashed a bunch of money and promised to make it rain all up in there. That unlealthy debt level makes an institution individually vulnerable and a conference corporately unstable. (Glad UTAD decided to get their own house in order-even if it makes the tenured, pompous, professors go, "tsk".)

Back to the SEC though, why are there no Florida institutions being considered? Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee have two member institutions per state. So did Georgia and Louisiana when GT and Tulane were in. Why not Florida-the most populous state in the conference? Why should UF have absolutely no in-state competition in the conference? Slive ought to be peppered with this question until he turns red.

Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky, Georgia, and now probably Texas A&M have a pact to veto in state additions to the conference. Florida doesn't want Florida State or Miamia in, South Carolina doesn't want Clemson in, Kentucky doesn't want Louisville in, Georgia doesn't want Georgia Tech in and I would guess Texas A&M opposes Texas getting in, those five schools voting against something would defeat a proposal.

brokendownoldvol writes:

Please no. Everyone can't be in the SEC.

tennrich1 writes:

This would work perfectly IMO....football in the SEC will stay strong no matter who joins the conference but if Duke and NC join our basketball ratings would go off the charts...probably see two networks strike up a deal with the SEC...including ESPN and FOX sports along with CBS.....

tennrich1 writes:

in response to westknoxrepub:

Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky, Georgia, and now probably Texas A&M have a pact to veto in state additions to the conference. Florida doesn't want Florida State or Miamia in, South Carolina doesn't want Clemson in, Kentucky doesn't want Louisville in, Georgia doesn't want Georgia Tech in and I would guess Texas A&M opposes Texas getting in, those five schools voting against something would defeat a proposal.

Actually those days are gone...EVERYTHING is dollars driven and there's no way those schools would turn down the opportunity to make, oh say, another 10 Million in revnue sharing....Today is a new day...Market driven in every area of life...

tennrich1 writes:

in response to arkyvol:

duke and n.c. to the sec isn't going to happen. both suffer from the longhorn syndrome, i.e. they're ashamed of their historical ties to the south, and consider themselves too good to associate with institutions like tennessee and arkansas, where most of the supporters consider higher education with the same ardor they do a root canal, and at best, a necessary pretext to field a football team.

Talking Ole school thinking...read this!!!!!

budd#207344 writes:

NC and Duke are NOT coming to the SEC.

thevoice writes:

Dooley would have liked this... two more SEC wins, maybe.

RoyaltyVol writes:

in response to budd#207344:

NC and Duke are NOT coming to the SEC.

Don't be so sure, ACC is falling apart quickly.

Halls3 writes:

in response to CrankE:

Missouri in the SEC is a mystery unless you look at the academics. Which would explain UNC and Duke if they join as well.

In economic terms, bubbles inflate until they burst. Dot.Com bubble, tech bubble, housing bubble, Higher education, and now...sports. I believe that the higher education bubble and the sports bubble are close to going kaboom and shifting the market back to a much lower level.

For the ACC to give a haircut on the exit fee is a relaxing of the spine that the other, stronger conference members will recognize and act upon. And why did Maryland even decide to go? Because a) Maryland is in an enormous debt hole and b) The Big Ten (actual size 12) flashed a bunch of money and promised to make it rain all up in there. That unlealthy debt level makes an institution individually vulnerable and a conference corporately unstable. (Glad UTAD decided to get their own house in order-even if it makes the tenured, pompous, professors go, "tsk".)

Back to the SEC though, why are there no Florida institutions being considered? Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee have two member institutions per state. So did Georgia and Louisiana when GT and Tulane were in. Why not Florida-the most populous state in the conference? Why should UF have absolutely no in-state competition in the conference? Slive ought to be peppered with this question until he turns red.

Because only 1 school (FSU) from Florida would ever be considered. FSU doesn't want any of the SEC. Some people may say why not Miami but what in the world would they bring to the table that the SEC would want.

Tennfan4075 writes:

I as a Vol fan, do not like the addition of anymore schools to the conference especially two so close geographically. Vol FB is already on the mat and having enough trouble getting up. Adding two schools in NC would further deplete what little HS talent available within the state to draw SEC level players from, requiring even more out-of-state recruiting. The addition of NC and Duke could be the death sentence for Vol FB and BB on a competitive level. The SEC could eliminate the BB tournament and have a two game play-off between KY, Duke and NC for conference champion. I also would not believe GA and SC would be in favor of the additions.

UkJarhead writes:

in response to lemme_axya_this:

Cal decided he'd had enough of Indiana. If the Dukies and Tar Heels join the SEC he'll bolt KY for Prairie View A&M.

Yes, UK is afraid to play teams. SOS is among Top 10 every year. We play UNC, Louisville, Indiana (One year break cause Cal is a lil pig headed about location) each year. Throw in a Baylor, Duke, Maryland.... Yes, UK basketball scared. Does your mom know your using computer? Shouldn't you be in school?

mocsandvolsfan writes:

in response to Halls3:

Because only 1 school (FSU) from Florida would ever be considered. FSU doesn't want any of the SEC. Some people may say why not Miami but what in the world would they bring to the table that the SEC would want.

Central Forida? Tampa? S. fla.? Isn't there a Jack St. in Fla.?? Destin Community?? I like Destin. Orlando somethin' or nuther? I love Orlando.

As for Georgia. You got Georgia Southern? Ga. Tech. I suppose. uhhhh uhhhh What's that school Ohhhh Acworth college....that's not it...Kennessaw State!

In NC? Davidson? NCSt? hmmmmm Western Carolina I suppose. Are they a real school?

WHY don't we just keep things the way they are. I don't personally care about any money to be made...well unless?

6972 writes:

in response to Tennfan4075:

I as a Vol fan, do not like the addition of anymore schools to the conference especially two so close geographically. Vol FB is already on the mat and having enough trouble getting up. Adding two schools in NC would further deplete what little HS talent available within the state to draw SEC level players from, requiring even more out-of-state recruiting. The addition of NC and Duke could be the death sentence for Vol FB and BB on a competitive level. The SEC could eliminate the BB tournament and have a two game play-off between KY, Duke and NC for conference champion. I also would not believe GA and SC would be in favor of the additions.

I think you might be right about it hurting our recruiting. I also agree that SC and Ga might well be opposed to it.

6972 writes:

Duke and NC in the SEC: it brings on mixed emotions like seeing your mother-in-law going over a cliff in your new Mercedes.

123forVOLS writes:

I have always felt UNC is a fit for the SEC. They have been one of my non-Vol favorites over the years. Duke, well that would be instant upgrade in basketball and scare the hound(no Smokey implied)out of KY. It will be interesting to see how all of this shakes out.

brauhuff#295403 (Inactive) writes:

I would rather have Oklahoma/ Oklahoma State or Virginia Tech/ NC State or Virginia/ North Carolina

lemme_axya_this writes:

in response to 6972:

Duke and NC in the SEC: it brings on mixed emotions like seeing your mother-in-law going over a cliff in your new Mercedes.

That is funny....full coverage on the Mercedes?

lemme_axya_this writes:

in response to UkJarhead:

Yes, UK is afraid to play teams. SOS is among Top 10 every year. We play UNC, Louisville, Indiana (One year break cause Cal is a lil pig headed about location) each year. Throw in a Baylor, Duke, Maryland.... Yes, UK basketball scared. Does your mom know your using computer? Shouldn't you be in school?

Yeah, he was a lil "pigheaded" about playing the VOLS in Memphis every other year too. If he hadn't felt threatened by Tennessee then, or Indiana now, he wouldn't care where they played.

Allme writes:

I think NC would be a great add. Better then Va. or Va Tech. They were better then Mizzo who would have though Mizzo in the SEC East. NC would be great and I like them better then Duke, I think NC state would be a good school but NC and Duke are more prominent.They would help in BB, and other sports male and Female sports. Good Academics

MikeNPS writes:

While I understand the reasons schools will change conferences, I personally preferred the conference alignments the way they were 10-15 years ago.

CrankE writes:

in response to Tennfan4075:

I as a Vol fan, do not like the addition of anymore schools to the conference especially two so close geographically. Vol FB is already on the mat and having enough trouble getting up. Adding two schools in NC would further deplete what little HS talent available within the state to draw SEC level players from, requiring even more out-of-state recruiting. The addition of NC and Duke could be the death sentence for Vol FB and BB on a competitive level. The SEC could eliminate the BB tournament and have a two game play-off between KY, Duke and NC for conference champion. I also would not believe GA and SC would be in favor of the additions.

The way that the league has treated Tennessee in recent years, I seriously wonder if destroying UT isn't their ultimate objective. There are so many data points that seem to trend in that direction.

Slive is a great target for crticism and venom, but I think it's much more likely that he's just doing what his puppetmasters there in Birmingham, Alabama tell him to do. Consider that Alabama nearly earned the death penalty a decade ago. Wouldn't buying the league office be a great insurance policy to make sure that never happens again? Just saying. The brand of corruption that Larry P. Langford lived while Mayor of Birmingham is not a flaw in this state or this city, it is a feature.

UkJarhead writes:

in response to lemme_axya_this:

Yeah, he was a lil "pigheaded" about playing the VOLS in Memphis every other year too. If he hadn't felt threatened by Tennessee then, or Indiana now, he wouldn't care where they played.

You really should do some research. He just wanted to play the games in bigger venues since it was such a big game. He wanted his team to have experience in domes. He would rather play tough competition and get ready for March than just pile up wins. Its all about the titles. I would rather it be in our home gyms as do many UK fans, but we can't agree on everything.

RememberWhen writes:

Guess Roy and Mikey gettin a little nervous with Cuse, Pitt and the 'Ville coming...

lemme_axya_this writes:

in response to UkJarhead:

You really should do some research. He just wanted to play the games in bigger venues since it was such a big game. He wanted his team to have experience in domes. He would rather play tough competition and get ready for March than just pile up wins. Its all about the titles. I would rather it be in our home gyms as do many UK fans, but we can't agree on everything.

Look, I'm not being disrespectful to your team, just your coach. As for my research, Cal never made a secret of the fact that he didn't like the exposure that Bruce Pearl and the VOLS got by playing in Memphis. Is it possible that he may have similar motives for avoiding the Hoosiers?

civilianvol_formerly_marinevol writes:

Last year it was the Big 12 that was falling apart, and now the Big 12 seems to be getting stronger, and it's the ACC that is unraveling. But Duke in the SEC? Seriously?? Oh well, at least Vandy would no longer be able to claim academic superiority.

chuckfromwoodberry writes:

in response to UkJarhead:

Yes, UK is afraid to play teams. SOS is among Top 10 every year. We play UNC, Louisville, Indiana (One year break cause Cal is a lil pig headed about location) each year. Throw in a Baylor, Duke, Maryland.... Yes, UK basketball scared. Does your mom know your using computer? Shouldn't you be in school?

Once again we hear from the dumbest fanbase in sports.

jenna1009001 writes:

I am not sure I like the mega conferences that appear to be forming but put duke and North carolina in SEC not only will the sec win football national champonship on regular basis but also the basketball champonship

CarlChilders writes:

Eight teams in each division? Only two more would be needed in each for the SEC to split into two conferences and start the whole expansion thing over again. I'm joking of course, but I don't think it's that far fetched to someday see a trend towards shorter distances for teams to travel.

KCHS63 writes:

in response to thevoice:

Dooley would have liked this... two more SEC wins, maybe.

You mean like the last time he faced North Carolina?

ARANGEVOL writes:

in response to arkyvol:

duke and n.c. to the sec isn't going to happen. both suffer from the longhorn syndrome, i.e. they're ashamed of their historical ties to the south, and consider themselves too good to associate with institutions like tennessee and arkansas, where most of the supporters consider higher education with the same ardor they do a root canal, and at best, a necessary pretext to field a football team.

Are you a N.C. or DUKE grad.?

UkJarhead writes:

in response to lemme_axya_this:

Look, I'm not being disrespectful to your team, just your coach. As for my research, Cal never made a secret of the fact that he didn't like the exposure that Bruce Pearl and the VOLS got by playing in Memphis. Is it possible that he may have similar motives for avoiding the Hoosiers?

I would say its possible if it wasn't for the fact he wanted to keep the series going. He even offered to play in Indiana every year at the RCA dome. He just wanted the games in domes. Had Indiana agreed, the series would be in Hoosier Land every year.

notorange writes:

in response to chuckfromwoodberry:

Once again we hear from the dumbest fanbase in sports.

Can i see a copy of your mensa card please?

civilianvol_formerly_marinevol writes:

in response to arkyvol:

duke and n.c. to the sec isn't going to happen. both suffer from the longhorn syndrome, i.e. they're ashamed of their historical ties to the south, and consider themselves too good to associate with institutions like tennessee and arkansas, where most of the supporters consider higher education with the same ardor they do a root canal, and at best, a necessary pretext to field a football team.

There's a lot about the South to be proud of and a lot of history to be ashamed of, like the Civil War, lynchings, KKK, Jim Crow laws, segregated schools, denial of voting rights, etc. However, I think most SEC institutions outside of the States of Alabama and Mississippi have risen above that, and have been leaders of social progress. However, I still have a bitter feeling toward Duke for their handling of the lacrosse team incident, when they took the word of a prostitute over their own students, and betrayed their students. That was over six years ago, but I don't think the school made any effort to do the right thing after they tried to destroy the lives of many of their student athletes who were innocent. I guess you can't hold that against a school forever, but I would still like to see a very public apology.

VOLinATL writes:

in response to CrankE:

Missouri in the SEC is a mystery unless you look at the academics. Which would explain UNC and Duke if they join as well.

In economic terms, bubbles inflate until they burst. Dot.Com bubble, tech bubble, housing bubble, Higher education, and now...sports. I believe that the higher education bubble and the sports bubble are close to going kaboom and shifting the market back to a much lower level.

For the ACC to give a haircut on the exit fee is a relaxing of the spine that the other, stronger conference members will recognize and act upon. And why did Maryland even decide to go? Because a) Maryland is in an enormous debt hole and b) The Big Ten (actual size 12) flashed a bunch of money and promised to make it rain all up in there. That unlealthy debt level makes an institution individually vulnerable and a conference corporately unstable. (Glad UTAD decided to get their own house in order-even if it makes the tenured, pompous, professors go, "tsk".)

Back to the SEC though, why are there no Florida institutions being considered? Alabama, Mississippi, and Tennessee have two member institutions per state. So did Georgia and Louisiana when GT and Tulane were in. Why not Florida-the most populous state in the conference? Why should UF have absolutely no in-state competition in the conference? Slive ought to be peppered with this question until he turns red.

I agree about the bubble...at some point very soon, the ad dollars and TV money will top off an so down due to saturation and the lack of regional rivalries (which is what made college football so great). Then you wil have these schools like MD in the Big Ten and WVU in the Big 12 having to travel all over the place to play games, and no one will care (MD vs Iowa, Rutgers vs Wisconsin...I mean really).

lemme_axya_this writes:

in response to UkJarhead:

Yes, UK is afraid to play teams. SOS is among Top 10 every year. We play UNC, Louisville, Indiana (One year break cause Cal is a lil pig headed about location) each year. Throw in a Baylor, Duke, Maryland.... Yes, UK basketball scared. Does your mom know your using computer? Shouldn't you be in school?

In her 45 years on this earth, my mom never owned a computer.

SandySpringsVol writes:

This conference-go-round is getting ridiculous.

One of the things that makes college sports so popular is that they are steeped in history. When you start ripping that history apart along with some of the rivalries that come with it, the sports can't help but start losing some of their appeal.

UkJarhead writes:

in response to SandySpringsVol:

This conference-go-round is getting ridiculous.

One of the things that makes college sports so popular is that they are steeped in history. When you start ripping that history apart along with some of the rivalries that come with it, the sports can't help but start losing some of their appeal.

Amen, This is the problem with all this. Rivalries, tradition....All gone. Who is going to travel over 1,000 miles to watch their team play a conference game. Tailgating in enemy territory is one of the best parts of college football. Sad days. Just wake me next year and give me a cheat sheet to conferences.

UkJarhead writes:

in response to lemme_axya_this:

In her 45 years on this earth, my mom never owned a computer.

My condolences. God Bless your mama.

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