John Adams: Vols playing at a level that could get their coaches fired

John Adams
Tennessee defensive coordinator Sal Sunseri signals to his players during the game against Alabama at Neyland Stadium Saturday, Oct. 20, 2012. (ADAM BRIMER/NEWS SENTINEL)

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Tennessee defensive coordinator Sal Sunseri signals to his players during the game against Alabama at Neyland Stadium Saturday, Oct. 20, 2012. (ADAM BRIMER/NEWS SENTINEL)

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When Tennessee begins its video work for Saturday's game with South Carolina, it should start with the season opener.

The Vols looked like a top-25 team when they beat North Carolina State 35-21 in the Georgia Dome. Can you still remember that after four consecutive SEC losses?

The victory seems even better now. N.C. State has lost only one other game, upped its record to 5-2 and won back-to-back games against then third-ranked Florida State and Maryland, which also has a winning record.

But UT no longer looks like the team that beat N.C. State by two touchdowns. It looks more like the 5-7 team of 2011 and the 6-7 team of 2010.

You know what I mean if you watched the Vols roll over against the Tide in the second half of a 44-13 loss.

There's no shame in losing to No. 1 Alabama. It was the manner in which they lost, lowering their level of performance with almost each passing play (no pun intended).

The Tennessee team that beat N.C. State is capable of winning four of its last five games, maybe even upsetting the Gamecocks, and playing in a bowl. The UT team that was outscored 21-3 in the second half by Alabama is capable of losing another seven games and getting its entire coaching staff fired in the process.

If this team loses six or seven games, the coaching staff deserves to be fired. The defensive staff should be the first to go.

Every time an opponent sends a football airborne, you expect the sky to fall on the Tennessee defense. For all of UT's failures in recent years, I can't recall so many receivers being so open as they were against Alabama. And no, I haven't forgotten last year's Arkansas game. At least, the Vols were closer to the Hogs when they made all those catches.

UT's defense made Alabama freshman wide receiver Amari Cooper look like Arkansas' Joe Adams, Florida's Percy Harvin or any other All-SEC receiver that you can remember cruising touchdown-bound through the Tennessee secondary in recent years.

It's not just about the defense, though. It's not just about the coaching, either.

UT's most heralded players entering this season were quarterback Tyler Bray and wide receiver Justin Hunter, both of whom have to play well if the Vols are to beat a team as good as South Carolina, even if the Gamecocks are fighting through injuries.

Bray and Hunter didn't play nearly well enough against the Tide.

Bray completed fewer than 50 percent of his passes and threw two costly interceptions. And don't be misled by Hunter's statistics — four catches for 70 yards. Three of the catches and 64 of the yards came after Alabama took a 30-10 lead late in the third quarter. His second-quarter drop of what should have been a long completion to the Tide 10-yard line provided the poster play for UT's offense.

Not only did the Vols lose to Alabama, they showed enough frailties to prove they could lose to almost anyone on their schedule, including Troy, which is better than the Akron team that played them to a virtual standstill for three quarters.

But the season doesn't have to continue down a disastrous path.

The Vols still have time on their side. They also have enough talent to win four of their last five games, keep their coaches employed and — with the help of a bowl game — win eight games for the first time since 2007. But they just can't talk their way into a successful finish.

They have to execute — just as they did in the season opener, just as they did for almost three quarters against unbeaten Florida, and just as they did in a comeback against Georgia. Otherwise, the season will only get worse.

And if the Vols need a reminder as to how bad it could get, the N.C. State video won't help them. They need to take another look at last season's Kentucky game.

John Adams is a senior columnist. He may be reached at 865-342-6284 or adamsj@knoxnews.com. Follow him at http://twitter.com/johnadamskns.

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whatthe84 writes:

I know the popular opinion on this weekend was not positive. I saw a different game I guess. I saw a defense that was spot on at the begining of the game. I saw a Tyler Bray who had fire in his eyes during the first series. With this week we begin South Carolina week and another giant foe no doubt looms in Columbia. The Orange men and I say men will take the field at Williams Brice as an underdog of about 6 points I predict. Tyler Bray will rise to the occasion and charcoal the yard birds with his sharp sword he carries strapped to his long side. Our defense is much to stout for the SC offense that is mistake prone. Steve Spurrier aka the Ole Ball Coach will be out of his league when CDD strolls onto the field without his crutches and inspires the Volunteer nation with his gritty toughness. The team will rally around CDD and pull off a win for the ages. A win that might bring home a goal post to K-town. Ole Rocky top will prevale and the rest of the season will be all Dubs with a momentum into next year that will be climaxed with the crystal ball being hoisted at the BCS National Championship. Go Big Orange, keep chopping the wood CDD and believe in each other and the mighty Volunteer nation!!!!! Wait till next year, we have a couple of red shirt freshman who will dominate the D line. Next year the trifecta will be complete: SEC East, SEC Championship, and the BCS National Championship!!!!!!! FACT!

Classof72 writes:

The thing speaks for itself.

Moesart writes:

No use in firing anyone right now. Might as well play out the season.

gobigorange1 writes:

Agreed.

mdvol writes:

Doom and gloom Adams is back.

Times are tough but I will offer this....

The VOLS are catching SCAR at a really good time. They are coming off two tough losses and are out of the SEC East picture. The air is out of the balloon in Columbia. Lattimore is back this week but not 100%.

VOLS will be an underdog but an upset at South Carolina could still lead to an 8-4 record and a bowl.

cltvol writes:

if we don't beat SC that darn Spurrier will be able to claim 2 ut head coach scalps,,,don't like it but believe it to be true

vettefool writes:

in response to mdvol:

Doom and gloom Adams is back.

Times are tough but I will offer this....

The VOLS are catching SCAR at a really good time. They are coming off two tough losses and are out of the SEC East picture. The air is out of the balloon in Columbia. Lattimore is back this week but not 100%.

VOLS will be an underdog but an upset at South Carolina could still lead to an 8-4 record and a bowl.

I love optimistic people, they make the world a better place. but come on now.

cltvol writes:

in response to mdvol:

Doom and gloom Adams is back.

Times are tough but I will offer this....

The VOLS are catching SCAR at a really good time. They are coming off two tough losses and are out of the SEC East picture. The air is out of the balloon in Columbia. Lattimore is back this week but not 100%.

VOLS will be an underdog but an upset at South Carolina could still lead to an 8-4 record and a bowl.

thought the same thing today,,could happen, hope it does

kwcoach writes:

Tennessee will be massivly out coached by SC. That's the plain unfortunate truth.

arkyvol writes:

in response to Moesart:

No use in firing anyone right now. Might as well play out the season.

if they don't axe him soon, we can kiss off another recruiting season (although for the moment, we're south of vandy in that department).

tennisvol writes:

SC will be ready for the Vols and the ole ball coach will not stop at running the score up as the Tide did. Saban showed a lot of class by not running the score up on the Vols.

TheRealDragonSlayer writes:

Anyone can go and check out all the comments I have made in the past, and you will see that I have stuck with this head coach no matter what. But the time has come to really put loyalty aside and look at what is really happening here.

What I see is that Tyler Bray is not cut out for high pressure games. He just isnt, and he has been given way too many chances. The reason I am now down on Coach Dooley is because he should have had the guts and the smarts to bench Bray. Justin Worley may be a better QB under pressure situations...but we will never know because we have been so sky-high on Bray that we are failing to see a glaring weakness of his. But we can be excused for that failure...a coaching staff cannot.

I really believe that with Bray benched, we will see a fire in Worley, and if Bray does have to come back, we will see a fire in Bray...he will respect our coaching staff for having the guts to bench him.

I want our team to have the best chance. And as crazy as this might sound, I do believe that we need to bench Bray for us to have that chance. Yes, there are other problems as well...but a team really begins and ends with the QB.

tnoutlaw2001#228008 writes:

That's the problem with the schedule and this team/staff. If they do win the next 4 or even 3 out of 4 and qualify for a bowl people will actually think the light bulb came on and everything will be roses next year.

It won't get any better. Just look at the depth and promise of the new comers.

If Bray, Hunter, Patterson leave early, or if one gets injured this team has no one capable of filling their shoes.

This will be no different next year as not one of the younger guys has showed any flashes of being a difference maker, and the older ones will be leaving.

Call me negative or whatever, but I want UT to improve not stay the same or sink even lower.

jobrando#216494 writes:

I look for Chaney to be acting before end of week. Dooley will be out before the SC game. The damage is done. That kind of showing aganst Bama proves we are no better off than we were three years ago.

VolzsFan writes:

On one hand, everyone needs to learn that the truth is the truth and not positive or negative spin determined by your perspective.

Truth:
No team in America would beat Georgia, Florida, Miss State, South Carolina and Alabama. Those teams will beat up on each other a bit but no Oregon, USC, Notre Dame, Kansas State, etc. would beat any of them really much less all of them. Why is UT held to a higher standard? Because your expectations where sent unrealistically through the roof by the great Hall of Famer.

Truth:
Hamilton with the help of a few money guys caused this situation.

Truth:
The state of Tenn does not have high school athletes to compete with anyone in D1. Where are they going to go and get the players that Georgia, SC, Bama, LSU and Florida want? Are they going into their state and bringing them to UT? No. Only one person could and did do that and he is a new Hall of Famer.

Many of you need to accept the new reality at UT. It is the same old pre 1992 reality. It is okay. West Point, Harvard among others had to accept their fate and UT will have to understand they are and will be a mediocre second tier SEC program. Now all the know nothing internet tough guys will scream THIS IS UT BABY! blah blah blah. They do not understand that to beat these teams you have to go and get some difference makers that the big boys want. Until then enjoy the tailgates.

Final Truth:
Bray is a fraud. He is the main reason they are in the shape they are in when it comes to competing. He is nowhere near the top half of SEC QBs. His numbers vs. the SEC prove that very clearly.

P.S. There is not a certain win left on the schedule. Not one. Including Troy and UK. Missouri and Vandy will be favored most likely. USC will squash this bunch. But hoops is one the way and you all can whine about UT not being ranked in the top 10 IN THE SEC in recruiting at that point.

VolzsFan writes:

in response to jobrando#216494:

I look for Chaney to be acting before end of week. Dooley will be out before the SC game. The damage is done. That kind of showing aganst Bama proves we are no better off than we were three years ago.

Yes, we where one season removed from a 10 win season and an SEC Championship game appearance.

The horrible slide of UT from 2000-2008.
76-38 record.
66.7%. 19th in America.
Alabama 47.8%. 71st in America.

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/r...

Further on the horrific 2000-2008 (9 seasons)

4 - 10+ win seasons.
1 - 9 win season, 2 - 8 win seasons.

7 of the 9 seasons where 8+ wins.
4 times they won or tied for first in the East.

The schedule was much more demanding then with no gimme game like you see now with 12 game schedule (most then where still 11 game schedules).
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT UT WILL NEVER AGAIN DO AS WELL IN THE FUTURE AS THEY DID DURING THESE HORRIFIC 9 YEARS!!!!! NEVER!!!!

Vols_fan_27 writes:

What was the point of this article? Is there any information that we didn't already know? Just don't see the point to keep beating the dead horse here... One thing I will say is that I will continue to support the VOLS and their Coaches no matter who that may be. Right now, it is what it is, but the last thing we need to do as fans is abandon our team. They need to know that at a very minimum, when everyone else in the country doubts them, the people in Volunteer country still support them. If we don't, we are as much to blame as anyone else, because then, we as fans have not done our job. Don't get me wrong, I am not happy with the past few weeks either, but I am not giving up on them either.... just sayin'...GBO!

jobrando#216494 writes:

in response to VolzsFan:

On one hand, everyone needs to learn that the truth is the truth and not positive or negative spin determined by your perspective.

Truth:
No team in America would beat Georgia, Florida, Miss State, South Carolina and Alabama. Those teams will beat up on each other a bit but no Oregon, USC, Notre Dame, Kansas State, etc. would beat any of them really much less all of them. Why is UT held to a higher standard? Because your expectations where sent unrealistically through the roof by the great Hall of Famer.

Truth:
Hamilton with the help of a few money guys caused this situation.

Truth:
The state of Tenn does not have high school athletes to compete with anyone in D1. Where are they going to go and get the players that Georgia, SC, Bama, LSU and Florida want? Are they going into their state and bringing them to UT? No. Only one person could and did do that and he is a new Hall of Famer.

Many of you need to accept the new reality at UT. It is the same old pre 1992 reality. It is okay. West Point, Harvard among others had to accept their fate and UT will have to understand they are and will be a mediocre second tier SEC program. Now all the know nothing internet tough guys will scream THIS IS UT BABY! blah blah blah. They do not understand that to beat these teams you have to go and get some difference makers that the big boys want. Until then enjoy the tailgates.

Final Truth:
Bray is a fraud. He is the main reason they are in the shape they are in when it comes to competing. He is nowhere near the top half of SEC QBs. His numbers vs. the SEC prove that very clearly.

P.S. There is not a certain win left on the schedule. Not one. Including Troy and UK. Missouri and Vandy will be favored most likely. USC will squash this bunch. But hoops is one the way and you all can whine about UT not being ranked in the top 10 IN THE SEC in recruiting at that point.

Agree with all except recruiting. Get a big name coach and they will come from all over the country. UT is a great institution.

BufordTJustice writes:

Every Sunday morning I wake up and open the News-Sentinel on my phone and, with the excited anticipation of a child on Christmas morning, look for the headline "Dooley Era Ends In Loss To 'team x'... but, alas, I was disappointed yet again. No Red Ryder, no closer to respectable football. But its coming... and sooner rather than later.

philgreen5#410561 writes:

I have been a diehard VOLS fan since 1968, I thought this team would turn a corner this year and finish 8-4, maybe even 9-3. But I don't think this defense can stop a high school team. SC will be angry over its beat down by the Gators and looking to take it out on the VOLS. I think we are now looking at 6-6, and that may be a stretch because other teams are improving. I can't believe our talent level is this bad, it has to be coaching. I know these are college kids and I will always support the VOLS, but something needs to change before we fall further and accept just average. We are now in the bottom half of the SEC, if we do make a change, it needs to be a home run hire or we will go thru 8-10 years of this just like Bama did after Stallings.

volaholic45 writes:

I don't think fans are in a position to know all of the issues, but there needs to be a culture change over there. The fans don't really know what's going on in the kitchen, but we can sure tell that what they are serving up to us tastes horrible. Sloppy fundamentals, fragile psyches, lack of concentration, the adults losing control of the team to prima donna kids, bad game and clock management, missed assignments, too many men on the field, not enough men on the field, timeouts saved for screwups, and not only no improvement but regression. And Fred Flinstone up there in the pic has been an absolute disaster.

pcshowtime writes:

I see all the Dooley gang has come out. It took them about 8 hrs after the game. They had to get all their "Dooley excuses" lined up. Now that they have the excuses ready they are out beating the just one more year drum. By wednsday they will be back to calling me and others trolls and negative vols.

This is one of their excuses that is funny to me. If a 2010 recruited player screws up like Tyler Bray or Darick Rogers he is kiffens recruits. However if one plays good like stone on the offensive line then he is dooleys guy.

Another good one is "we do not have enough talent to play with other teams in the sec." I was wondering when in the last 30 years has Miss St ever had better recruits than UT. Yet we lose to miss st because they have a much better coach than we do. Dan mullen get everything out of his guys with less talent.

well I could go on and on. but glad to see the dooley boys are back out supporting that career loser. He will never post a .500 record no matter where he coaches.

All you need to know about dooley was shown last night before half time when he let a minute run off the clock and did not take a timeout. I guess he thinks you can save those thing for a rainy day. But the worst is in the 4th qt down by 34 he kicks a field goal from the 3 yd line. What a complete Chicken shot move.

Vols_fan_27 writes:

in response to pcshowtime:

I see all the Dooley gang has come out. It took them about 8 hrs after the game. They had to get all their "Dooley excuses" lined up. Now that they have the excuses ready they are out beating the just one more year drum. By wednsday they will be back to calling me and others trolls and negative vols.

This is one of their excuses that is funny to me. If a 2010 recruited player screws up like Tyler Bray or Darick Rogers he is kiffens recruits. However if one plays good like stone on the offensive line then he is dooleys guy.

Another good one is "we do not have enough talent to play with other teams in the sec." I was wondering when in the last 30 years has Miss St ever had better recruits than UT. Yet we lose to miss st because they have a much better coach than we do. Dan mullen get everything out of his guys with less talent.

well I could go on and on. but glad to see the dooley boys are back out supporting that career loser. He will never post a .500 record no matter where he coaches.

All you need to know about dooley was shown last night before half time when he let a minute run off the clock and did not take a timeout. I guess he thinks you can save those thing for a rainy day. But the worst is in the 4th qt down by 34 he kicks a field goal from the 3 yd line. What a complete Chicken shot move.

Don't think the Doolaid drinker need to come out... seems you have done your homework on thinking of plenty of excuses for them... Just sayin'... GBO!

TKO writes:

Fulmer as interim now.

DeltaCharlie3 writes:

in response to mdvol:

Doom and gloom Adams is back.

Times are tough but I will offer this....

The VOLS are catching SCAR at a really good time. They are coming off two tough losses and are out of the SEC East picture. The air is out of the balloon in Columbia. Lattimore is back this week but not 100%.

VOLS will be an underdog but an upset at South Carolina could still lead to an 8-4 record and a bowl.

I so hope you are right, that Dooley runs off an 8-4 record! Maybe then he'll get a raise and extension. I'd like to see him on the sidelines for another 4-5 years.

PHAT_VOL writes:

Well it was ugly last night. Rest assured the Gamecocks will not feel sorry for us after losing their last two in a row. Be warned if you have a weak stomach dont watch next weeks UMMM well game. It should resemble a game.

All of the east Tennessee S.S. fans should be very happy after next saturdays beat down. Also expect more odes and linguistic jabs by coach Gramps. We are all aware of just how much he dislikes his home state. Still bitter after all these years for not being offered a scholly by the Big Orange.

I do agree with WALT if the first half team shows up it could win four or five of its last games. It should be interesting to see what team shows up. Either way Dooley will return next season.

One other thing Tyler Bray has been in the cat bird seat since he arrived at U.T. I think it would do him good to make an observation from another view point next saturday at 12:30 and that would be from the side line. Yes, start Worley next saturday. This team deserves it.

Last jab. All of a sudden following Kansas states lead at the head coaching job dosen't sound so bad. Now does it?

Forever a VOL!!

jobrando#216494 writes:

in response to pcshowtime:

I see all the Dooley gang has come out. It took them about 8 hrs after the game. They had to get all their "Dooley excuses" lined up. Now that they have the excuses ready they are out beating the just one more year drum. By wednsday they will be back to calling me and others trolls and negative vols.

This is one of their excuses that is funny to me. If a 2010 recruited player screws up like Tyler Bray or Darick Rogers he is kiffens recruits. However if one plays good like stone on the offensive line then he is dooleys guy.

Another good one is "we do not have enough talent to play with other teams in the sec." I was wondering when in the last 30 years has Miss St ever had better recruits than UT. Yet we lose to miss st because they have a much better coach than we do. Dan mullen get everything out of his guys with less talent.

well I could go on and on. but glad to see the dooley boys are back out supporting that career loser. He will never post a .500 record no matter where he coaches.

All you need to know about dooley was shown last night before half time when he let a minute run off the clock and did not take a timeout. I guess he thinks you can save those thing for a rainy day. But the worst is in the 4th qt down by 34 he kicks a field goal from the 3 yd line. What a complete Chicken shot move.

If they are are smart they will be coming on this site with differant handles and joining the fire dooley train now

BufordTJustice writes:

And for those crying for more time for Dooley's supposed master plan to all come together, look at the date on your Ziggy Calenders. Then realize that at this late date, our recruiting class is ranked 4 spots below Vanderbilt. Yes, Vanderbilt. Peabody. The Commode-doors. The Doolster's plan simply AINTGONNAHAPPEN

chad954ut writes:

in response to whatthe84:

I know the popular opinion on this weekend was not positive. I saw a different game I guess. I saw a defense that was spot on at the begining of the game. I saw a Tyler Bray who had fire in his eyes during the first series. With this week we begin South Carolina week and another giant foe no doubt looms in Columbia. The Orange men and I say men will take the field at Williams Brice as an underdog of about 6 points I predict. Tyler Bray will rise to the occasion and charcoal the yard birds with his sharp sword he carries strapped to his long side. Our defense is much to stout for the SC offense that is mistake prone. Steve Spurrier aka the Ole Ball Coach will be out of his league when CDD strolls onto the field without his crutches and inspires the Volunteer nation with his gritty toughness. The team will rally around CDD and pull off a win for the ages. A win that might bring home a goal post to K-town. Ole Rocky top will prevale and the rest of the season will be all Dubs with a momentum into next year that will be climaxed with the crystal ball being hoisted at the BCS National Championship. Go Big Orange, keep chopping the wood CDD and believe in each other and the mighty Volunteer nation!!!!! Wait till next year, we have a couple of red shirt freshman who will dominate the D line. Next year the trifecta will be complete: SEC East, SEC Championship, and the BCS National Championship!!!!!!! FACT!

i started to suggest removal for this comment ! Just stupid !

VolFanInTheBoro (Inactive) writes:

in response to pcshowtime:

I see all the Dooley gang has come out. It took them about 8 hrs after the game. They had to get all their "Dooley excuses" lined up. Now that they have the excuses ready they are out beating the just one more year drum. By wednsday they will be back to calling me and others trolls and negative vols.

This is one of their excuses that is funny to me. If a 2010 recruited player screws up like Tyler Bray or Darick Rogers he is kiffens recruits. However if one plays good like stone on the offensive line then he is dooleys guy.

Another good one is "we do not have enough talent to play with other teams in the sec." I was wondering when in the last 30 years has Miss St ever had better recruits than UT. Yet we lose to miss st because they have a much better coach than we do. Dan mullen get everything out of his guys with less talent.

well I could go on and on. but glad to see the dooley boys are back out supporting that career loser. He will never post a .500 record no matter where he coaches.

All you need to know about dooley was shown last night before half time when he let a minute run off the clock and did not take a timeout. I guess he thinks you can save those thing for a rainy day. But the worst is in the 4th qt down by 34 he kicks a field goal from the 3 yd line. What a complete Chicken shot move.

other than the first poster I didn't read anything like what you posted

snafu14u#241639 writes:

Simple questions. 1) how much $$$$ and 2) where does it come from? It's easy to spend others people's money. Just asking. BonzaiVol

JimmyJoe writes:

in response to JBVols1698:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

Maybe not.... But let's give it a try....oh and by the way... Don't ever mention those two quarterbacks in the same breath again...ever.

TheCopper writes:

in response to DeltaCharlie3:

I so hope you are right, that Dooley runs off an 8-4 record! Maybe then he'll get a raise and extension. I'd like to see him on the sidelines for another 4-5 years.

Yawn! Boring.

JimmyJoe writes:

in response to whatthe84:

I know the popular opinion on this weekend was not positive. I saw a different game I guess. I saw a defense that was spot on at the begining of the game. I saw a Tyler Bray who had fire in his eyes during the first series. With this week we begin South Carolina week and another giant foe no doubt looms in Columbia. The Orange men and I say men will take the field at Williams Brice as an underdog of about 6 points I predict. Tyler Bray will rise to the occasion and charcoal the yard birds with his sharp sword he carries strapped to his long side. Our defense is much to stout for the SC offense that is mistake prone. Steve Spurrier aka the Ole Ball Coach will be out of his league when CDD strolls onto the field without his crutches and inspires the Volunteer nation with his gritty toughness. The team will rally around CDD and pull off a win for the ages. A win that might bring home a goal post to K-town. Ole Rocky top will prevale and the rest of the season will be all Dubs with a momentum into next year that will be climaxed with the crystal ball being hoisted at the BCS National Championship. Go Big Orange, keep chopping the wood CDD and believe in each other and the mighty Volunteer nation!!!!! Wait till next year, we have a couple of red shirt freshman who will dominate the D line. Next year the trifecta will be complete: SEC East, SEC Championship, and the BCS National Championship!!!!!!! FACT!

Uh... "Fire in his Eyes" Bray went three and out his first two series's. And was pretty much 0 for every big play he was faced with. Are you sure you were on the right channel?

shipperman#280095 writes:

in response to VolzsFan:

Yes, we where one season removed from a 10 win season and an SEC Championship game appearance.

The horrible slide of UT from 2000-2008.
76-38 record.
66.7%. 19th in America.
Alabama 47.8%. 71st in America.

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/r...

Further on the horrific 2000-2008 (9 seasons)

4 - 10+ win seasons.
1 - 9 win season, 2 - 8 win seasons.

7 of the 9 seasons where 8+ wins.
4 times they won or tied for first in the East.

The schedule was much more demanding then with no gimme game like you see now with 12 game schedule (most then where still 11 game schedules).
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT UT WILL NEVER AGAIN DO AS WELL IN THE FUTURE AS THEY DID DURING THESE HORRIFIC 9 YEARS!!!!! NEVER!!!!

You fail to mention that during those 9 years, Fulmer's winning percentage against the top 25 was .325. That along with his laziness got him fired.

Olcrow writes:

in response to snafu14u#241639:

Simple questions. 1) how much $$$$ and 2) where does it come from? It's easy to spend others people's money. Just asking. BonzaiVol

exactly,Dooley has a 5 million buyout for the first 5 years,then in year 6 it goes to 4 million and year 7, 2.5 million.Jimmy Haslam will put up the money to hire Gruden but it won't be for the Knoxville team,better start rooting for Cleveland.

shipperman#280095 writes:

in response to Olcrow:

exactly,Dooley has a 5 million buyout for the first 5 years,then in year 6 it goes to 4 million and year 7, 2.5 million.Jimmy Haslam will put up the money to hire Gruden but it won't be for the Knoxville team,better start rooting for Cleveland.

Don't forget, Daddy Jim has more money than Jimmy 3

JWilly writes:

Virtually no UT fan denys that DD is a failure. When and how he leaves is the question...but I, for one, want no part of any rehire P. Fulmer movement.

cdamna1 writes:

I wish Dooley would explain why he let the time expire at the end of the first half last night when we had time outs and were down 14. That was troubling.......

PUL4VOLS writes:

in response to VolzsFan:

Yes, we where one season removed from a 10 win season and an SEC Championship game appearance.

The horrible slide of UT from 2000-2008.
76-38 record.
66.7%. 19th in America.
Alabama 47.8%. 71st in America.

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/r...

Further on the horrific 2000-2008 (9 seasons)

4 - 10+ win seasons.
1 - 9 win season, 2 - 8 win seasons.

7 of the 9 seasons where 8+ wins.
4 times they won or tied for first in the East.

The schedule was much more demanding then with no gimme game like you see now with 12 game schedule (most then where still 11 game schedules).
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT UT WILL NEVER AGAIN DO AS WELL IN THE FUTURE AS THEY DID DURING THESE HORRIFIC 9 YEARS!!!!! NEVER!!!!

I just hope you and I live long enough for you to Eat those last words in your post. You have no idea who the next coach is or how the next 9 years will go for the Vols. Get over Philip Fulmer. He was great but is no longer the head coach. I defy you to go hire him tomorrow and see what he can do with this mess. Your negative futuristic prediction is pathetic. By the way, the time to see who really supports a program is when it's struggling. People like you prove where your loyalty is...living in the past. Get over it and let the Vols get on with it. One more time PHILIP FULMER IS GONE, GONE, GONE! Do I need to type it again? GONE!

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

in response to tennisvol:

SC will be ready for the Vols and the ole ball coach will not stop at running the score up as the Tide did. Saban showed a lot of class by not running the score up on the Vols.

What? Saban never let up. What are you talking about?

clvolfan writes:

in response to mdvol:

Doom and gloom Adams is back.

Times are tough but I will offer this....

The VOLS are catching SCAR at a really good time. They are coming off two tough losses and are out of the SEC East picture. The air is out of the balloon in Columbia. Lattimore is back this week but not 100%.

VOLS will be an underdog but an upset at South Carolina could still lead to an 8-4 record and a bowl.

I have been a Dooley supporter,and this article is not as you say"gloom and doom",but true reality to anyone who loves the VOLS.
How low can this program sink.I am one who second guesses the firing of CPF,so I won't.
But I'll tell you one thing-UT brass had better get it right this time>I don't know who is already on their list,but I say and bet my money that whoever it is had better hire the right defensive coach,some the caliber of Wade Phillips.That man might not have been a head coach,but he can flat coach defense-Go VOLS.

14th_rated_sec_coach writes:

There is a reason why before the season started the media ranked Dooley the 14th rated coach in the sec... He showed it last night when he quit right before the half. Then again on 3 and 1 he allows Chaney to try a 15 yard pass that has worked how many times this year? 0!!! Dooley is terrible and needs fired immediately. And don't give me this gruden phooey hes not coming. Petrino is realistic and would not cost a lot. He is a scumbag but hey Hart can keep him away from they volleyball team..also does anyone believe those 7 coaches bailed last year for lateral moves for less money because they knew Dooley was sinking faster than the titanic...

PUL4VOLS writes:

It's a pathetic fanbase which kicks its team and coaching staff when they are down. It is delusional to think Tennessee would beat FL, GA, Miss St, or Ala. this year. I know it is beyond painful to see how they lost but rebuilding is rebuilding. Keep on putting out the "fire him" junk and see how that bodes with trying to recruit. Obviously we all agree Dooley is not the answer. But he is like it or not, still the Vols' head coach until Dave Hart makes an announcement otherwise. Folks we do not need another Fulmer time. His best days are well behind. The funniest(not)thing about that is to see posters saying bring Fulmer and Chavis back. Does anyone really believe Chavis would come back? Whatever goes down, I say as I have said before, be sure you have the right replacement before listening to the insane, "fire him now" whiners! I am no Doolaid drinker nor anti-Dereker either. I just want what is best for the Volunteers. Right now, we have to hang tough and at the end of the season see what happens. Oh and along the way, the AD could at least make a few inquiries. But that is his call n ot ours.

senatorgip#470888 writes:

in response to CaptainCaveman:

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I totally agree with you Captain ! It blows my mind how many Vols fans continue to defend Dooley, the arrogant loser of a coach he is. I'm not talking about the mans character Dooley Defenders :). I'm speaking of his inept ability to coach and continue to play the blame game. I was so upset last night after hearing his interview that I almost exploded ! I even got into a heated argument with my best buddy who is preacher ! He was defending Dooley like many of our friends on this site ! I told him that we are not talking about firing a preacher, but rather a Football Coach who makes 2.2million a year with 3 million buyout ! How can people continue to feel sorry for and defend a guy that is 4-17 in SEC games and 0 forever against ranked teams ! I just don't understand it. I agree with you Captain that if Hart hires the right coach the recruits will want to come play at Tennessee. He needs to be fired this week and begin the process to hire new coach.

volaholic45 writes:

in response to cdamna1:

I wish Dooley would explain why he let the time expire at the end of the first half last night when we had time outs and were down 14. That was troubling.......

Didn't you hear Dooley postgame? Why try to be six or ten down at the half, when you can be down 13? Thirteen down at the half is really good! Sure, they gave it a go when Hunter dropped another layed in his lap that would have put us first and goal or better, but the coach knows you can't get a guy open two plays in a row.

KingDanno (Inactive) writes:

Could get the coaches fired? You think so?

Booley! Out with him and put in Fulmer as interim coach. He loves TN and understands the situation. We then go shopping. If we don't get a qualified person, let old Phil recruit for us and take those linemen under his wing (on a year by year basis. Hell, maybe one day after Manning retires with another ring he can come SOS. He loves the and understands the game probably better than anyone. We'd pay him handsomely too but it's not like he needs the money. Come on, this is unsatisfactory. I'm not a cynic. We won't loose to Kentucky again. We won't loose to Vandy and we better not loose to freakin Missou. But that won't save Dooley's job. We need impressive wins, especially at this point.

FWBVol writes:

in response to VolzsFan:

On one hand, everyone needs to learn that the truth is the truth and not positive or negative spin determined by your perspective.

Truth:
No team in America would beat Georgia, Florida, Miss State, South Carolina and Alabama. Those teams will beat up on each other a bit but no Oregon, USC, Notre Dame, Kansas State, etc. would beat any of them really much less all of them. Why is UT held to a higher standard? Because your expectations where sent unrealistically through the roof by the great Hall of Famer.

Truth:
Hamilton with the help of a few money guys caused this situation.

Truth:
The state of Tenn does not have high school athletes to compete with anyone in D1. Where are they going to go and get the players that Georgia, SC, Bama, LSU and Florida want? Are they going into their state and bringing them to UT? No. Only one person could and did do that and he is a new Hall of Famer.

Many of you need to accept the new reality at UT. It is the same old pre 1992 reality. It is okay. West Point, Harvard among others had to accept their fate and UT will have to understand they are and will be a mediocre second tier SEC program. Now all the know nothing internet tough guys will scream THIS IS UT BABY! blah blah blah. They do not understand that to beat these teams you have to go and get some difference makers that the big boys want. Until then enjoy the tailgates.

Final Truth:
Bray is a fraud. He is the main reason they are in the shape they are in when it comes to competing. He is nowhere near the top half of SEC QBs. His numbers vs. the SEC prove that very clearly.

P.S. There is not a certain win left on the schedule. Not one. Including Troy and UK. Missouri and Vandy will be favored most likely. USC will squash this bunch. But hoops is one the way and you all can whine about UT not being ranked in the top 10 IN THE SEC in recruiting at that point.

You need to go back a recheck your "Truths." Prior to 1992 Tennessee was still the second winningest football program in the Southeastern Conference behind Alabama. Even today, while we haven't kept pace with LSU and Florida as far as the national championships go, Tennessee is still the second winningest SEC program in terms of victories and conference championships. It was also a Top 10 school nationally in terms of wins and second only to Bama nationally in bowl appearances and wins.

I supported Phillip Fulmer and wish Hamilton and the other power brokers had given him another season, but to pretend that Tennessee was mired in mediocrity for the 100 years before Fulmer took over the program is down right ignorant.

West10Vol writes:

in response to VolzsFan:

On one hand, everyone needs to learn that the truth is the truth and not positive or negative spin determined by your perspective.

Truth:
No team in America would beat Georgia, Florida, Miss State, South Carolina and Alabama. Those teams will beat up on each other a bit but no Oregon, USC, Notre Dame, Kansas State, etc. would beat any of them really much less all of them. Why is UT held to a higher standard? Because your expectations where sent unrealistically through the roof by the great Hall of Famer.

Truth:
Hamilton with the help of a few money guys caused this situation.

Truth:
The state of Tenn does not have high school athletes to compete with anyone in D1. Where are they going to go and get the players that Georgia, SC, Bama, LSU and Florida want? Are they going into their state and bringing them to UT? No. Only one person could and did do that and he is a new Hall of Famer.

Many of you need to accept the new reality at UT. It is the same old pre 1992 reality. It is okay. West Point, Harvard among others had to accept their fate and UT will have to understand they are and will be a mediocre second tier SEC program. Now all the know nothing internet tough guys will scream THIS IS UT BABY! blah blah blah. They do not understand that to beat these teams you have to go and get some difference makers that the big boys want. Until then enjoy the tailgates.

Final Truth:
Bray is a fraud. He is the main reason they are in the shape they are in when it comes to competing. He is nowhere near the top half of SEC QBs. His numbers vs. the SEC prove that very clearly.

P.S. There is not a certain win left on the schedule. Not one. Including Troy and UK. Missouri and Vandy will be favored most likely. USC will squash this bunch. But hoops is one the way and you all can whine about UT not being ranked in the top 10 IN THE SEC in recruiting at that point.

Truth:

How soon you forget guys like Al Wilson, Chad Clifton, Trey Teague, John Fisher, Ramon Foster and several others from TN who played for the Vols and bled Orange. There are many others from TN who have gone to KY, GA, Auburn, Southern Cal, Ole Miss, and BAMA. Who came up with the idea TN doesn't produce D1 and NFL talent?

CrankE writes:

The players are playing to the level that they are coached.

Asked about Bray, Dooley's answer includes the phrase, "I don't know" 3 times.

Dooley-who is catching Joe Biden in the BFD Gaffe Department says after the loss, "We can't just stick our heads in our tail and go home."

Perhaps getting your heads OUT OF your tails?

Should have fired him in Lexington last year.

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