John Adams: Argument can be made South Carolina is better job than UT

John Adams
South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier calls out to his team before its NCAA college football game against LSU in Baton Rouge, La., Saturday, Oct. 13, 2012. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier calls out to his team before its NCAA college football game against LSU in Baton Rouge, La., Saturday, Oct. 13, 2012. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

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If both the Tennessee and South Carolina coaching jobs would come open at the end of the season, which one would you prefer?

The answer would have been so easy before the 2005 season in which a talented, experienced Tennessee team was a consensus top-10 pick.

As for the Gamecocks, they had just made another coaching change after losing at least five games for the 14th time in 16 years.

During the same 16 years, UT never won fewer than eight games and failed to finish in The Associated Press Top 25 only once.

But since South Carolina hired Steve Spurrier, the programs are no longer football worlds apart. As the teams prepare to meet Saturday in Columbia, you could even argue that Spurrier has helped make South Carolina a better coaching job than UT.

What Spurrier has accomplished doesn't compare to what Nick Saban has done at Alabama. Spurrier's progress has been more gradual and led to no conference or national championships. Yet you can't compare South Carolina to Alabama any more than you can compare it to UT at its peak.

From 1892 through 2004, the Gamecocks played in a grand total of 11 bowls. In seven seasons under Spurrier, they have played in six. He already has won more bowl games at South Carolina than any other coach in school history.

South Carolina is 6-23-3 all-time against Florida. It's 3-5 under Spurrier.

It's 17-46-2 all-time against Georgia, but 4-4 under Spurrier.

It's 6-22-2 all-time against UT, but 4-3 under Spurrier.

He might not have damaged the Vols as greatly as he did when he coached Florida to SEC dominance in the 1990s, but he has added to their growing list of problems. South Carolina's usual place on UT's schedule has been the Saturday after Alabama. That once was regarded as a scheduling break for the Vols.

Not anymore. South Carolina has won three of the last four games in the series, contributing to what has become a brutal October for the Vols, who have dropped to 3-4 after a 2-0 start.

The SEC East was so much easier in the 1990s when Florida and Tennessee usually could determine divisional championships between themselves. First, Georgia became a factor; then, South Carolina.

Tennessee still has accomplished so much more than South Carolina in football. And it has a bigger stadium and better facilities.

Even though South Carolina hasn't been as successful, it also has a passionate fan base. The recruiting base is a bigger plus than its fan base, especially for a coach trying to decide between the two jobs — South Carolina's or UT's.

Spurrier hasn't proved you can win a championship at South Carolina. He has made the job much more appealing, though.

Tennessee will be reminded of that this weekend. A victory that was once taken for granted by UT would now qualify as a major upset.

It also would be the biggest victory of the Derek Dooley era.

John Adams is a senior columnist.

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voodoo101 writes:

So trade jobs with the writer that Spurrier loves to hate. Then you can smother Spurrier with reverence, and your life will be at peace - never having to tell "your" local school that it needs a new coach or that it's team has no chance against the next opponent. We'll show up at the airport or wherever and wave you a fond farewell. Oh, and take Climer with you.

AZ_Vol writes:

Adams, how much does an employer pay a hack like you?

Reading your columns is akin to manuring a ten-acre field with sparrowshite.

BigOrangeFever76 (Inactive) writes:

Sending loads of good karma to the Vols for an upset of the LameCocks on Saturday. The team needs it.....the coaches need it....the Vol Nation needs it. Somebody step the **** up on Saturday and be a leader!!!!!

suttree writes:

Adams is just messing with us. He knows the fan base smells blood and that web traffic is up the last few days. He and other KNS staffers probably have an over/under bet going to see how many posts get 'removed' on this story.

I still think of South Carolina as an independent. Like Dabo said "There's only one Carolina and that's in Chapel Hill . . . And USC is on the West Coast."

DavidB writes:

Is anyone else shocked that Hart has not had a press conference. I check daily to see if anyone has reported on it but so far nothing.

I wish he would either come out and say that Dooley has his full support or that due to our results in the past 3 seasons he will be interviewing Dooleys replacement.

I tend to feel like he must be either interviewing or at least putting out calls and wants to keep it as quiet as possible so the current players and coaches do not just quit for the remainder of the season.

If I am not mistaken we are still paying Fulmer for another year or two. If Hart does fire Dooley after the South Carolina game as rumours have been going around, then what is everyones thoughts on bringing Fulmer in as the coach for the remainder of the season. No contract. If no major name takes the Fulmer would stay.

chuckfromwoodberry writes:

in response to DavidB:

Is anyone else shocked that Hart has not had a press conference. I check daily to see if anyone has reported on it but so far nothing.

I wish he would either come out and say that Dooley has his full support or that due to our results in the past 3 seasons he will be interviewing Dooleys replacement.

I tend to feel like he must be either interviewing or at least putting out calls and wants to keep it as quiet as possible so the current players and coaches do not just quit for the remainder of the season.

If I am not mistaken we are still paying Fulmer for another year or two. If Hart does fire Dooley after the South Carolina game as rumours have been going around, then what is everyones thoughts on bringing Fulmer in as the coach for the remainder of the season. No contract. If no major name takes the Fulmer would stay.

Your proposal is preposterous. Beyond preposterous. Just plain st st st stupid.

ETownVol writes:

If Dooley's won/loss record is grounds for dismissal then Adams' record of 1 good column out of 20 should be a no-brainer. Why KNS keeps this clown around, I'll never know. His journalism abilities mirror my 10 year old's ability to coach a college football team.

suttree writes:

in response to DavidB:

Is anyone else shocked that Hart has not had a press conference. I check daily to see if anyone has reported on it but so far nothing.

I wish he would either come out and say that Dooley has his full support or that due to our results in the past 3 seasons he will be interviewing Dooleys replacement.

I tend to feel like he must be either interviewing or at least putting out calls and wants to keep it as quiet as possible so the current players and coaches do not just quit for the remainder of the season.

If I am not mistaken we are still paying Fulmer for another year or two. If Hart does fire Dooley after the South Carolina game as rumours have been going around, then what is everyones thoughts on bringing Fulmer in as the coach for the remainder of the season. No contract. If no major name takes the Fulmer would stay.

Fulmer still owns some of this mess. No way would Hart ever go getting himself caught up in the past with a big family name . . . he's been there already with Bobby Bowden.

You have to think that Hart has been getting his ducks in a row since Kentucky. The move should be made after Kentucky. With SC a stretch and Mizzou and Vandy looking iffy at this point there is no greater good served by pulling the trigger now.

......and CaveMan...... If you are questioning wearing your UT hat then by all means put it in the trash. You probably should never have been wearing it in the first place.

cc623 writes:

Arguments can be made that anybody with a pulse is better than John Adams...

ETownVol writes:

in response to CaptainCaveman:

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You shouldn't post things like this. Mr. Bray doesn't like bandwagon fans like you. :p

rockypop writes:

in response to CaptainCaveman:

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Instead of blaming Dooley, why don't you give a shout out to Mike Hamilton? Why should Dooley be blamed for taking a job that pays over four times as much as his deal with LaTech with a huge buyout to boot? People like you would take that deal in a heartbeat, so why shouldn't Dooley?

GoVols_16 writes:

The subtitle of this article should be: "Currently... but Never Mind... The South Carolina Job Is Not Soon to Be Vacated {{Come on, Folks; I've Got Deadlines & Nothing Better to Write About}}

voodoo101 writes:

in response to rockypop:

Instead of blaming Dooley, why don't you give a shout out to Mike Hamilton? Why should Dooley be blamed for taking a job that pays over four times as much as his deal with LaTech with a huge buyout to boot? People like you would take that deal in a heartbeat, so why shouldn't Dooley?

There is a lot of misplaced anger that should be directed at Hammy, the Incompetent, and his handlers. And we certainly shouldn't forget "We don't need your kind of quarterback" Kiffin. Blaming Dooley is like blaming the struggling courier bringing the bad news. Hammy obviously didn't get the thing about changing horses in midstream or having a Plan B when you dump Plan A.

TigerShark10 writes:

When is enough, enough???? What is the fascination with bringing in an AD and coaches who have no ties to UT and no knowledge of what it means to truly be a Volunteer.We now routinely lose to teams in the SEC that we dominated in the not too distant past. It's time to get rid of the interlopers and hire an AD like Phil Fulmer, a head coach like Peyton Manning and a defensive coordinator like John Chavis. Men who understand and have the passion needed. Break the bank and go after the best, pay whatever it takes. I've been a contributor and season ticket holder since 1979.It's embarrassing to watch the decline and mediocre team that we have become.

ReVolver writes:

If you cannot bring the ca$h to land a major superstar hire...do not let Dooley go yet.

Otherwise, its just the same situation all over again.

RickyVols writes:

When Spurrier leaves SC, they will go back to being a cellar dweller in the SEC. When Dooley's leaves UT, they will rise back to being a consistently top ranked team. Adams should take a job with the SC paper that follows the Gamecocks so he too can fade away to obscurity. What a stupid article.

voodoo101 writes:

in response to TigerShark10:

When is enough, enough???? What is the fascination with bringing in an AD and coaches who have no ties to UT and no knowledge of what it means to truly be a Volunteer.We now routinely lose to teams in the SEC that we dominated in the not too distant past. It's time to get rid of the interlopers and hire an AD like Phil Fulmer, a head coach like Peyton Manning and a defensive coordinator like John Chavis. Men who understand and have the passion needed. Break the bank and go after the best, pay whatever it takes. I've been a contributor and season ticket holder since 1979.It's embarrassing to watch the decline and mediocre team that we have become.

Peyton Manning isn't ready to give up his current career. While I agree very much UT ties, the only ex-Vol current head coach who comes to mind is Daryl Dickey, and his team isn't as high on the pecking order as La Tech. Just because of the connection - the school and the coaching line - I'd give him a chance, but most of the posters here would throw him back as too small to keep.

MikeNPS writes:

Wow! John Adams tries to claim that a coaching job at South Carolina is better than a coaching job at Tennessee. I think a more accurate comparison would be that a sports writer position at a junior high school newspaper requires better skills than Mr. Adams possesses. My personal opinion is that the guy is a moron.

BigOrangeFreak writes:

I dig alot of your stuff John, but this one's entirely off the mark.

Comparing the Gamecocks to the Vols is like comparing horse-apples to Big Oranges. Notwithstanding Tennessee's recent failures, the jobs are worlds apart.

Tennessee's facilities, fan-base, merchandising, and television appeal siginicantly outclass South Carolina. The comment about recruiting is off-base as well. When Tennessee's recruiting is hitting on even half of it's cylinders, it can outdistance Carolina.

That being said, I'm sure Carolina FANS are enjoying the product more than we are right about now.

voodoo101 writes:

in response to TigerShark10:

When is enough, enough???? What is the fascination with bringing in an AD and coaches who have no ties to UT and no knowledge of what it means to truly be a Volunteer.We now routinely lose to teams in the SEC that we dominated in the not too distant past. It's time to get rid of the interlopers and hire an AD like Phil Fulmer, a head coach like Peyton Manning and a defensive coordinator like John Chavis. Men who understand and have the passion needed. Break the bank and go after the best, pay whatever it takes. I've been a contributor and season ticket holder since 1979.It's embarrassing to watch the decline and mediocre team that we have become.

Totally off subject, but just one of those things. Type "75th FIS" in Google or whatever you use for searches and look at the Wikipedia entry.

tnoutlaw2001#228008 writes:

It's a mute question. Hands down UT is the better job. Not to take a shot at South Carolina, but in no way does it measure up in any measurement from facilities, to location, and geographic area. It's why Florida, and Texas, even USC have advantages. Location, location, location. Then comes facilities and the rest.

BankerVol writes:

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Bigger_Al writes:

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Bigger_Al writes:

BTW, I have to continue on Adam's hypocracy and idiocy. His column that called for Phillip Fulmer's firing was based on off-the-field issues. Yet, as Lane Kiffin's sole recruiting class morphed into a legal-based mass exodus Adams actually reaches into that noxious pot to pine how much better UT could be if the kid with no morals was still the man at UT. What a pathetic hypocrite is John Adams.

WetumpkaThumpa writes:

That's STUPID!!!

gobigorange5090 writes:

in response to TigerShark10:

When is enough, enough???? What is the fascination with bringing in an AD and coaches who have no ties to UT and no knowledge of what it means to truly be a Volunteer.We now routinely lose to teams in the SEC that we dominated in the not too distant past. It's time to get rid of the interlopers and hire an AD like Phil Fulmer, a head coach like Peyton Manning and a defensive coordinator like John Chavis. Men who understand and have the passion needed. Break the bank and go after the best, pay whatever it takes. I've been a contributor and season ticket holder since 1979.It's embarrassing to watch the decline and mediocre team that we have become.

Why would you hire a coach with NO coaching experience? Didnt Bama try that a few years ago? Best I remember it didnt work. As for AD, I was all for hiring Fulmer to replace Hamturd. Hire Dan Mullen from Miss State. He has proven himself and he wouldnt break the bank.

UTistheOLEMISSoftheEAST writes:

Of course SC is a better coaching job than ut. Just look how far down the coaching ladder ut had to go to hire Dooley. ut is considered a joke and no coach with any success would take a chance on ut. ut is stuck right where they belong: behing UF, SC, and UGA, on par with Missouri and Vandy and just slightly (we hope - lol) ahead of UK.

The truth hurts.

EIGHT

cloudodust writes:

In this game it's all about the here and now, not the when and then. Spurrier is a proven commodity and in that regard, yeah. SC might look to be a better job today vs yesterday. Life at USCe post-Spurrier may just resort back to where it once belongs. CDD, well, let's hope he makes a solid move toward that happy place called Winnersville Saturday...

HallowedHill writes:

This article is pointless and uncalled for.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

Okay, if you take history away and compare only winning records in the last 3 years or so..In my opinion you could say especially in the mid to late 90's that UF was a better job than Bama. But UF in reality is a flash in the pan in comparison to Bama. Carolina is not even close to what UF is by comparison and not even in the same stratosphere with UT overall. that would be like saying Okie State is now better than Texas, new upgraded facilities and recent success on the field doesn't mean you have arrived long term..JMO!

Vo2Vol writes:

in response to CaptainCaveman:

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Then take it off and go support someone else. We have lost to some good teams with scholarship players. You are not qualified to judge.

Hacker38 writes:

I find it funny when someone speaks the truth, that they're call trolls, or worse. Tennessee hasn't been relevent in football in so long its not funny, but yet Koolaid drinkers still spout every year, "We can go 10-2" them blame the world when its another 6-6 - 7-5 or 8-4.. Get over yourself, Tennessee isn't the job it used to be, not saying it can't be again, but now it's a bottom feeder in the SEC

VolzsFan writes:

The SEC East was so much easier in the 1990s...that is because Phil and Steve got all the players that are now going to Georgia, LSU and South Carolina.

SC is now and will going forward be a better program than UT. IT comes down to one thing....recruiting base. No coach can win without difference makers and this state does not make them.

VolzsFan writes:

in response to suttree:

Fulmer still owns some of this mess. No way would Hart ever go getting himself caught up in the past with a big family name . . . he's been there already with Bobby Bowden.

You have to think that Hart has been getting his ducks in a row since Kentucky. The move should be made after Kentucky. With SC a stretch and Mizzou and Vandy looking iffy at this point there is no greater good served by pulling the trigger now.

......and CaveMan...... If you are questioning wearing your UT hat then by all means put it in the trash. You probably should never have been wearing it in the first place.

FULMER OWNS SOME OF THIS MESS?

If you count being the most successful coach in school history, a first ballott Hall of Famer, the reason the stadium was expanded, setting a new glass ceiling at UT that no long term fan ever thought was possible, having half of all of UT's 10 win seasons, averaging almost 10 wins per year, will produce double the NFL Hall of Famer's that the school produced in it's history, taking UT from a mediocre program with a big stadium and a lot of fans and only one bogus National Title in 1951 to a college football player then yea, he owns it LOL!!!

You do not go from a traditional 65% winning program to a 75% winning program, change the standard, spoil the fans and then own some mess. His ownership is that he did not keep his job and keep his legit top 5 recruiting and had to watch Lane lose 44 kids.

I am sure you are a young fan and thinks it is a program that you have seen from 1992 on and think it was always that way but history tells us different.

You need a guy that can go to other states and get kids the big boys want. Not many of those in the profession and we ran off the best one in history.

Does he own it? Yes, he spoiled you and made you believe it would always be that good. He set a new standard.

VOLFLIAM writes:

in response to CaptainCaveman:

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Hey idiot...Don't wear your hat !!!

tnsportsman writes:

John, you just explained very well why a GREAT HEAD COACH MATTERS! It's not Tennessee vs SC as schools, It's a TOP NAMED HEAD COACH at SC vs the (Mid Major Hamilton Mad Experiment) Dooley, LMAO!

Ask AR and the Saints if a Great Head Coach Matters?

GO VOLS, VFL!

thl#355403 writes:

"Even though South Carolina hasn't been as successful, it also has a passionate fan base."
Folks, I am a Tennessee native son living in South Carolina and I can tell you Gamecocks fans are Gamecocks fans win, lose, or draw. They don't shift to other teams if they have a down year or two. They don't fire a good coach (much less the winningest active coach in the NCAA) if he doesn't go 12-0 every year. They buy tickets and show up and yell for their Gamecocks and wear their Gamecock gear all year around. They've given Steve Spurrier 8 years to fix the program and it's just now starting to click, but you can bet your Tennessee ballcap that if he wins them a national championship they won't be screaming to fire him if he doesn't do it every year after that.
I wear orange every gameday and have for over 50 years, even though the last 25 in SC I always have to explain that I'm NOT a Clemson fan. The only thing about Tennessee I'm ashamed of is the spoiled, fairweather, we-gotta-have-results-NOW fans. If Phil had coached USC instead of UT he'd still be the coach, they'd have winning seasons most years and there'd be a statue of Phil on the quad. You spoiled brats wanted Phil fired and he was. Now after Kiffen, Knute Rockne couldn't have the Vols turned back around in the time you've given Dooley. And if you fire Dooley you won't have the money to hire a quality coach because any quality coach that would come to Tennessee has a death wish. Do you miss Phil yet? You can bet he doesn't miss you.

bigdisbig writes:

There are some schools that are known for great football teams in the past. Bama, Ga, Notre Dame, Fla, Oklahoma, Tn etc. Basketball schools are the likes of UCLA, Ky, Uconn, Kansas etc.
THere are some schools such as Bama who throw out the money for a great coach such as Saban and their program becomes a championship contender......same thing happened at Kentucky when they hired Calipari.

With that said, although Dooley is a great guy he is NOT the coach for the Volunteers. A great coach would have won THIS YEAR. This is the year for Dooley and he has shown he just cannot win in the SEC.
If Tennessee wants to build championship teams then they MUST ante up the money and go buy a great coach. Every coach has a price.
ITs like an investment. If you buy cheap stock you will get cheap returns most likely.

What did they really expect with Dooley? Justin Wilcox saw the writing on the wall and he bolted.
Like him or not, Dooley cannot and WILL NOT turn this program around. HE IS THE PROBLEM.

MooseandSquirrelVol writes:

An argument can be made that poop don't stink.
There's a big difference between having a better coach and being a better coaching job.

Central_IL_Vol writes:

in response to voodoo101:

So trade jobs with the writer that Spurrier loves to hate. Then you can smother Spurrier with reverence, and your life will be at peace - never having to tell "your" local school that it needs a new coach or that it's team has no chance against the next opponent. We'll show up at the airport or wherever and wave you a fond farewell. Oh, and take Climer with you.

LIKE x 1,000!

Central_IL_Vol writes:

in response to AZ_Vol:

Adams, how much does an employer pay a hack like you?

Reading your columns is akin to manuring a ten-acre field with sparrowshite.

Before we make a coaching change, let's buyout Adams and rid Knoxville of a BLOVIATING IDIOT!

BigOrangeDan writes:

in response to CaptainCaveman:

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Go back to your cave and start drinking again. You are pathetic and a troll. Building a great program takes time and the way it was left for Dooley it may take more time. You are no fan and I would say you never played a down in any organized sport in your life. Go back to your trailer park and enjoy the view. Leave the comments to the professionals!

brokebackvol writes:

in response to VolzsFan:

FULMER OWNS SOME OF THIS MESS?

If you count being the most successful coach in school history, a first ballott Hall of Famer, the reason the stadium was expanded, setting a new glass ceiling at UT that no long term fan ever thought was possible, having half of all of UT's 10 win seasons, averaging almost 10 wins per year, will produce double the NFL Hall of Famer's that the school produced in it's history, taking UT from a mediocre program with a big stadium and a lot of fans and only one bogus National Title in 1951 to a college football player then yea, he owns it LOL!!!

You do not go from a traditional 65% winning program to a 75% winning program, change the standard, spoil the fans and then own some mess. His ownership is that he did not keep his job and keep his legit top 5 recruiting and had to watch Lane lose 44 kids.

I am sure you are a young fan and thinks it is a program that you have seen from 1992 on and think it was always that way but history tells us different.

You need a guy that can go to other states and get kids the big boys want. Not many of those in the profession and we ran off the best one in history.

Does he own it? Yes, he spoiled you and made you believe it would always be that good. He set a new standard.

Good post! I agree, we had to suffer through some rough days back when Majors was taking over from Bill Battle...

Look folks, Dooley might not be the answer for the program but he's gone about things in a respectful, clean way from all appearances, so get off his back.

Fulmer did indeed take UT to the next level, his fault was that he wasn't able to stay there forever, things stagnated and he lost his job. I still respect ole Phil and wish him all the best. I agree that he should have been the new AD and not some guy from FSU/Bama.

As far as Adams, take off your orange-colored sunglasses for a while and read what OTHER people who KNOW what's going are saying, and you might be surprised. The UT job is NOT easy, mostly due to the recruiting issues. the SC job looks appetizing because of what Spurrier and Holtz before him were able to do there in recent years. UT's job is not very appealing because of where it is now, not as it was in the 90's. Wake up and smell the coffee!

Oh and anyone who threatens to throw a UT cap in the trash never should have had it to begin with - rotten sidewalk fans that are no better than that nutjob that poisoned Auburn's trees!

joevol33 writes:

in response to suttree:

Fulmer still owns some of this mess. No way would Hart ever go getting himself caught up in the past with a big family name . . . he's been there already with Bobby Bowden.

You have to think that Hart has been getting his ducks in a row since Kentucky. The move should be made after Kentucky. With SC a stretch and Mizzou and Vandy looking iffy at this point there is no greater good served by pulling the trigger now.

......and CaveMan...... If you are questioning wearing your UT hat then by all means put it in the trash. You probably should never have been wearing it in the first place.

Fulmer has nothing to do with this mess, everybody is gone who he had anything to do with. Coaches, player's, where u even get that i don't know. People like u are what lost him his job hope u are happy now.

NashvillePreds writes:

All Adams proves here is Spurrier has revitalized a dormant program. I do not believe the SC job itself presents a better opportunity for success than TN.

terrytennessee writes:

Why does one always read about other schools in other states always having a much larger recruiting base than the University of Tennessee? Are there not as many high schools in this state? Are the high school coaches in Tennessee not as good, & therefore not turning out as many skilled players for the college game? Or are the homegrown kids just not as football savvy as their counterparts in the surrounding states?

UTVolWarrior98 writes:

Why does Adams hate UT so much? I really am not a big fan of his. Back in 2005, he totally disrespected my hometown of Detroit when hosted the Super Bowl. He was trashing my own hometown..making fun of it. I called his direct line and left him a doosey of a message..wasnt very nice lol

MooseandSquirrelVol writes:

in response to terrytennessee:

Why does one always read about other schools in other states always having a much larger recruiting base than the University of Tennessee? Are there not as many high schools in this state? Are the high school coaches in Tennessee not as good, & therefore not turning out as many skilled players for the college game? Or are the homegrown kids just not as football savvy as their counterparts in the surrounding states?

Why does one always read about other schools in other states always having a much larger recruiting base than the University of Tennessee?

1. Population density.
2. Population distribution.
Memphis is one of, if not the largest
metropolitan areas of the state and is in
closer proximity to Alabama, Arkansas,
Mississippi and MSU than it is to UT.
Add to that the pressure kids in
Memphis are under to focus first on BB and
stay away from UT, and it's like Memphis
in another state altogether.

UTVolWarrior98 writes:

He never said one bad thing about Detroit again...

RememberWhen writes:

no no no John! while SC has improved you gotta remember the state the FL, GA and TN programs have been in the last couple of years - not what they were in the heyday. THAT has as much to do with SC's rise as their own improvement does. Guarantee that SC will be back in their traditional 4th spot in the East beginning NEXT year!

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