John Adams: Tennessee's resolve in big games hasn't made comeback

John Adams
Florida running back Mike Gillislee (23) runs for yardage as he's defended by Tennessee defensive back Prentiss Waggner (23) in the third quarter of an NCAA college football game on Saturday, Sept. 15, 2012, in Knoxville, Tenn. Florida won 37-20. (AP Photo/Wade Payne)

Florida running back Mike Gillislee (23) runs for yardage as he's defended by Tennessee defensive back Prentiss Waggner (23) in the third quarter of an NCAA college football game on Saturday, Sept. 15, 2012, in Knoxville, Tenn. Florida won 37-20. (AP Photo/Wade Payne)

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Tennessee has changed its talent level in football. It hasn't changed its mind-set.

You saw that last Saturday when Florida zoomed past the Vols in the fourth quarter for a 37-20 victory.

Once Tennessee fell behind, it kept falling. Never mind that there were almost 10 minutes left in the game when Florida took a 14-point lead. The Vols couldn't have looked any more helpless if they had been down by 41.

That wasn't an aberration. It's the continuation of a theme.

You probably have heard the phrase, "Same old Vandy," You might have said it yourself while watching the Commodores turn a potentially promising victory into a predictable defeat.

The Vols have become just as predictable.

Think of all the fourth-quarter comebacks they have managed in the last five years. Ok, think harder.

Still nothing? I'll help: "Same old Vandy."

Last season, the Vols rallied to tie the Commodores with 6:27 to play, then prevailed in overtime. That's their marquee comeback since the program went south in 2008.

Forget fourth-quarter comebacks. There's only one other second-half comeback during that period. The Vols won in overtime after overcoming a seven-point Kentucky advantage in 2009.

Coming back against Kentucky and Vanderbilt isn't comparable to coming back against Florida, which has won eight consecutive games against UT. Once the Gators started rolling, the Vols rolled over.

Given their history, why wouldn't they?

This team is more talented and confident than coach Derek Dooley's first two teams. But it wasn't confident enough to come back against Florida.

Players can gain confidence by becoming faster and stronger. They also can become more confident through preparation. But their confidence soars when they overcome adversity in the heat of battle.

Remember all the comebacks in UT's national championship 1998 season. The Vols beat Syracuse and Arkansas on their last drive. They came from behind in the last nine minutes to defeat Mississippi State in the SEC championship game.

You don't have to go back that far. Look what Auburn did two years ago in winning the national title. It came from 17 points down to beat Clemson and from 24 points down to beat Alabama.

Comebacks don't typically come from mysterious sources. They're often just a matter of the best players making their best plays.

Tee Martin and Al Wilson did that for the Vols in 1998. Cam Newton and Nick Fairley did it for Auburn two years ago.

But UT's most talented players didn't deliver once the Vols fell behind against Florida. Wide receiver Justin Hunter dropped what should have been an easy completion for a first down. Wide receiver Cordarrelle Patterson failed to make a difficult catch on a deep throw from Tyler Bray. And the usually accurate Bray too often was off-target.

So, instead of a comeback, all you got were the same old Vols.

John Adams is a senior columnist. He may be reached at 865-342-6284 or adamsj@knoxnews.com. Follow him at http://twitter.com/johnadamskns

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WetumpkaThumpa writes:

Last season the Vols couldn't muster enough energy after halftime, as they would usually fold early in the third quarter (or before in some games, See Arkansas). At least this season some progress has been made in that we are now getting smashed in the fourth quarter. That's fifteen less minutes to get the brains beaten in by the Georgia's, Florida's and Alabama's of the SEC. Progress has been made.

SouthALVol writes:

Since 2008, by my count, UT are 2-20 against the better teams in the SEC: UA; UF; LSU; AU; UGa; USC; and ARK. I grew up in AL through the 11 game losing streak and was plenty sick of it. Now I'm living through lengthy streaks against UA (again) and UF, our two most hated "rivals", although neither can be considered that anymore because we haven't beaten them lately.
We have the depth and talent now we haven't had for a few years. Why are the second half drubbings continuing? Is it lack of confidence on the part of the players, or is it lack of effectiveness in coaching? Whatever it is I hope a solution can be found within the next two weeks.
Still some cautious optimism it can be turned around or this UF game was a freak occurrence. Go Vols.

10Vol85 writes:

There are various reasons for late game fades:

1 - Inadequate coaching adjustments
2 - Lack of will/perseverence
3 - Lack of strength and/or conditioning
4 - Lack of depth

## 3 and 4 can be fixed over time with proper recruiting and development. (I was hoping, perhaps vainly, to see improvements this year based on those factors).

I believe what we saw Saturday was #2. I saw players that appeared to quit. They appeared to be just going through the motions. I don't pretend to know the reasons and I know they put in a lot of work throughout the year so I hate to criticize their efforts but that's what it looked like. Great coaches do not tolerate #2. That is why you often see immediate results when bring in someone like Neyland. Great coaches instill players with "intestinal fortitude" from day one. It has nothing to do with the age or experience of the players. If we're still dealing with it in year 3, we've got problems. I've heard nothing to indicate Coach Dooley recognizes it as such and am pessimistic about the likelihood of seeing any correction (as much as I would like to be wrong).

PUL4VOLS writes:

6. The Gators are not a 17 point better team.

claiborneh writes:

7. The Gators have a better athletic department, weather, and thinner tan girls on campus

claiborneh writes:

7. The Gators have a better athletic department, warmer weather, and more thin tan girls on campus

claiborneh writes:

7. The Gators have a better athletic department, the most fertile recruiting ground in the country, warmer weather, and more thin tan girls on campus

VolMoment writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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Surely you mean the defensive coordinator! That is if you know anything about football.

GoVols_16 writes:

I would love it if Bray would be benched for the rest of the season & let Worley have the team. Bray looked like HE quit the other night. Plus, with his character issues off the field, I don't think he is a leader; I don't think Bray has the fortitude to get it done when the going gets tough.

Worley may not be on the same level talent-wise, but it would be cool if Dooley pulled a Spurrier (Terry Dean) & gave the reigns to Worley. Chances are Dooley will be gone at the end of the year & Bray will be gone. Worley would be that far ahead of the game next year.

AlexAndersonAAradio writes:

16 Bray didn't quit. He got rattled. Just like Adams points out in the article, the team yet has the confidence to overcome adversity. 2 second half comebacks in 5 years? Then those are just overcoming 7 point leads vs VAndy and Ky. See this program isn't even used to these type of games. Gameday, favored to beat a top 20 team, atmosphere. Give them a little more time. Don't strangle yourself wondering about the future of this program. It'll be clear in a few weeks.

ScottEmge writes:

UT head football coach Jon David Gruden. I like the sound of that. He wouldn't tolerate a team quitting in the second half when they get behind, an immature brat QB who pouts, quits, and has zero leadership ability or a kickers who can't nail an extra point.

DeltaCharlie3 writes:

in response to PUL4VOLS:

6. The Gators are not a 17 point better team.

You're right, if not for the mercy kneel down at the end of the game while driving deep into UT territory, they're a 24-point better team.

3volfan writes:

in response to ScottEmge:

UT head football coach Jon David Gruden. I like the sound of that. He wouldn't tolerate a team quitting in the second half when they get behind, an immature brat QB who pouts, quits, and has zero leadership ability or a kickers who can't nail an extra point.

nice thought, BUT, Tampa Bay quit on him. he was leading the division, by like 3 games the other year, and they laid down against.............the raiders. so gruden isn't exempt from his players "quitting" on him. unfortunately, i think it is still a talent level thing. we are getting beat on a regular basis, by teams that are outrecruting us every february. till that turns around, and we get a couple of top 5 or 6 recruiting classes, coaching change isn't gonna do anything, other than set us back another 3 to 5 years.

Classof72 writes:

"Fatigue makes cowards of us all."
-George S. Patton, often quoted by Vince Lombardi

It's depth and number of reps. Our 'ones' are mostly good enough, but there isn't nearly enough quality depth. We're outnumbered in SEC games vs contenders. We also have no running back. Look at the difference A J Johnson made in the offensive backfield. We need speed in the secondary and a whole bunch of mo' better 'oneA's and 'two's on defense.

Per Doug Mathews, until they get mo' better players, they better zone up and help out that secondary. Don't blitz so much.

Vandy is an excellent example. They lack numbers, and so often compete for a half or so, then wear out. It's not rocket science. It's recruiting.

wigmeister writes:

Progress has been made, I agree. However, there isn't a player on the team that didn't have their heads between their knees. Body language says a lot. The quarterback, junior, offensive leader, nothing! Where were the captains on the sideline exhorting their team! Nothing! I am hoping for a turnaround, but unless this team changes its mindset, drastically, it will be tough. When you are labeled losers against the tough teams, no one is going to help you change that. You have to dig deep individually, and as a team. We have no true leaders like Peyton, or a guy like Ray Lewis that would just as soon take your head off if you don't perform.

This will not be solved against Akron or Troy. It can only get worse there. This must be solved against the SEC teams. And as much as we want to see our team win, until this team stops feeling sorry for itself, it won't happen.

SouthPaVol writes:

in response to 10Vol85:

There are various reasons for late game fades:

1 - Inadequate coaching adjustments
2 - Lack of will/perseverence
3 - Lack of strength and/or conditioning
4 - Lack of depth

## 3 and 4 can be fixed over time with proper recruiting and development. (I was hoping, perhaps vainly, to see improvements this year based on those factors).

I believe what we saw Saturday was #2. I saw players that appeared to quit. They appeared to be just going through the motions. I don't pretend to know the reasons and I know they put in a lot of work throughout the year so I hate to criticize their efforts but that's what it looked like. Great coaches do not tolerate #2. That is why you often see immediate results when bring in someone like Neyland. Great coaches instill players with "intestinal fortitude" from day one. It has nothing to do with the age or experience of the players. If we're still dealing with it in year 3, we've got problems. I've heard nothing to indicate Coach Dooley recognizes it as such and am pessimistic about the likelihood of seeing any correction (as much as I would like to be wrong).

couldn't agree more, and from my seat Saturday, I saw #2 as well. We have struggled in the second half for two years now. I was elated when we beat NC State 10-7 in the 2D half, but that is the only game I remember us winning the 2D half in.

Half time speeches should never be technical--or boring. Our boys are tired; their boys are tired. Players should start the 3D qtr with a will to win the 2D half, whether we are up by 20 points or down 20. We need a team attitude where players LIVE for the 4th qtr. They can't wait to hold up 4 fingers, knowing that if the game is close when starting the 4th qtr, then we got it--because we want it more; we need this win; and we are willing to give everything we got until game's end to get it. We don't need lawyer-speak at half time; we need motivation.

My left-handed comment: If our team gets outplayed in the 4th qtr, then I recommend a #10 boot in the backside. We're not solving algebra problems here, we're trying to win a football game! Go Vols!

BigOrangeFever76 (Inactive) writes:

In my opinion....Bray quit. When the General quits, then the soldiers quit. The look in his eyes. His body language. He walked off the field after a series and went straight to the bench instead of trying to rally the troops. He was the first one off the field after the game. Yep..he QUIT. I would like to see Worley get the Akron start. He needs the reps because if we get behind in the UGA game...we know how Bray will respond.

SummittsCourt writes:

Lets not forget the Vols were up 20-13 in the third quarter. That is progress despite the collaspe of the rest of the game. In the past the Vols didn't have leads on top teams in the third quarter. They were struggling to stay in games at halftime.

It's a work in progress. Things will get better as the season goes along. Trust me, that big signature win is coming and that will change things.

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

in response to 3volfan:

nice thought, BUT, Tampa Bay quit on him. he was leading the division, by like 3 games the other year, and they laid down against.............the raiders. so gruden isn't exempt from his players "quitting" on him. unfortunately, i think it is still a talent level thing. we are getting beat on a regular basis, by teams that are outrecruting us every february. till that turns around, and we get a couple of top 5 or 6 recruiting classes, coaching change isn't gonna do anything, other than set us back another 3 to 5 years.

Funny how you conviniently leave out facts. That Tampa team had 5 of their front 7 injured during that period of "let down". On top of that, after much speculation and distraction, Monte Kiffen had announced he was leaving for Tennessee. I think anyone with a brain could look back and say that Tampa screwed the pooch by letting Gruden go. But if it makes you feel better, keep lying to yourself and others.

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

Prior to the season John Adams was saying the Vols were gonna be 9-3. When he was saying that I never felt he meant it. I felt like he was setting them up for the verbal kill thru the media once they fell short. The season isn't over John, so I suggest you stick with them and stick with your pick. They need your support more than ever now, being that most of the other folks who made such hold predictions are now looking for life jackets in an attempt to jump ship.

VOLet_parking writes:

If any of you guys/girls listen to ESPN radio, John Gruden does a voiceover commercial for Corona. It's the "find your beach" contest, and in that commercial he specifically says that his personal beach would be tailgating in Green Bay, or Knoxville in the sea of orange. I don't know if someone wrote that for him or not, but the fact that he mentions UT is encouraging IMO.

DeltaCharlie3 writes:

in response to BigOrangeFever76:

In my opinion....Bray quit. When the General quits, then the soldiers quit. The look in his eyes. His body language. He walked off the field after a series and went straight to the bench instead of trying to rally the troops. He was the first one off the field after the game. Yep..he QUIT. I would like to see Worley get the Akron start. He needs the reps because if we get behind in the UGA game...we know how Bray will respond.

I think you folks are being a little harsh on Bray. I look at it more as surrendering, instead of quitting.

After about the 8th time getting slammed to the ground, he simply waved the white flag for the sake of self-preservation. Quit, surrender, basically the same thing, but I think the UF defense FORCED him to, which would make it more of a surrender scenario.

bljvol writes:

in response to titletownz:

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Go troll on your own sit FLORDUH nut case

bljvol writes:

SAME OLE JOHN ADAMS NEVER nothing positive to say about the Volunteers go find a job where people actually care about what you say like say FLORDUH

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

in response to VOLet_parking:

If any of you guys/girls listen to ESPN radio, John Gruden does a voiceover commercial for Corona. It's the "find your beach" contest, and in that commercial he specifically says that his personal beach would be tailgating in Green Bay, or Knoxville in the sea of orange. I don't know if someone wrote that for him or not, but the fact that he mentions UT is encouraging IMO.

People just ASSUME Gruden wouldn't want this job. Times change and if offered, John Gruden would be VERY interested in this job.

On the other hand...the fact that Bray didn't watch the film of the 4th quarter against UF tells me all I need to know about him as a QB and Dooley as a coach. It should not have been an option. Bray said he didn't watch the film because "that's not who we are". Perhaps that's why they didn't watch the film from the Arkansas game last year, which I'll NEVER understand. Then they got to the UK game and found out that is who they were. This is sickening, disheartening, a has meltdown written all over it.

3volfan writes:

in response to Classof72:

"Fatigue makes cowards of us all."
-George S. Patton, often quoted by Vince Lombardi

It's depth and number of reps. Our 'ones' are mostly good enough, but there isn't nearly enough quality depth. We're outnumbered in SEC games vs contenders. We also have no running back. Look at the difference A J Johnson made in the offensive backfield. We need speed in the secondary and a whole bunch of mo' better 'oneA's and 'two's on defense.

Per Doug Mathews, until they get mo' better players, they better zone up and help out that secondary. Don't blitz so much.

Vandy is an excellent example. They lack numbers, and so often compete for a half or so, then wear out. It's not rocket science. It's recruiting.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!! i've been saying this since saturday, halfway thru the 3rd quarter. we didn't lose that game saturday, we lost it in february. and until we recruit with or better than the, floridas, lsu, alabuma, georgia, south carolina,.........well quite frankly, 98% percent of the time, talent wins. just a fact of life with sports. the new york yankees syndrome

TrouserCough writes:

Baaa Baaa

3volfan writes:

in response to Rich_Is_Re-born:

Funny how you conviniently leave out facts. That Tampa team had 5 of their front 7 injured during that period of "let down". On top of that, after much speculation and distraction, Monte Kiffen had announced he was leaving for Tennessee. I think anyone with a brain could look back and say that Tampa screwed the pooch by letting Gruden go. But if it makes you feel better, keep lying to yourself and others.

EXCUSE ME!? but thats just excuses. he won a super bowl that dungy built. and he inherited several tough hitters, and hall of famers. and monte hadn't "left" till the weekend following them losin their final game, to the raiders, which knocked them outta the playoffs. what about all of this you gotta have mental toughness to get it done? what more do you need as a PRO athlete than the chance of being division champs, and probably a big playoff bonus? don't start this name dropping stuff. it never happened before, and it isn't happening again. cowher, gruden, parcells, or vince lombardi himself aren't coming to knoxville.

3volfan writes:

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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so we outrecruited LSpUUU once. i know coaching them up is part of it, but don't you think when we were in our recent "heyday" that we had better talent? henderson, manning, haynesworth, price, grant, lewis, stephens....etc. these were and are NFL standouts. in recent years, we have had 1 maybe 2 a year. since these recruitin services are following like they do now, you can see how these teams just seem to out do those underneath them. unfortunately its just not there yet. i read a previous posters comment, of we have very adequate 1's, and i agree. BUT we do not in any way shape form or fashion, have adequate 2's or 3's for that matter. or any semblance of a running game. maybe they aren't being coached up, but you still aren't winning the recruiting battle.

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

in response to 3volfan:

EXCUSE ME!? but thats just excuses. he won a super bowl that dungy built. and he inherited several tough hitters, and hall of famers. and monte hadn't "left" till the weekend following them losin their final game, to the raiders, which knocked them outta the playoffs. what about all of this you gotta have mental toughness to get it done? what more do you need as a PRO athlete than the chance of being division champs, and probably a big playoff bonus? don't start this name dropping stuff. it never happened before, and it isn't happening again. cowher, gruden, parcells, or vince lombardi himself aren't coming to knoxville.

So having 5 of your front 7 defensive players including both DTs, Derrick Brooks and Barrett Ruud injured doesnt impact anything? 90% of the time when a coach announces he's leaving before the seasons end, the team comes out and lays an egg. We've seen this repeatidly at the college and pro level. You denying this just shows ignorance on your behalf. Blow smoke up the next dude's rear, I ain't bying it. Gruden is the man. He might never come here, but he's the man.

KENVOL writes:

Well it is hard to score when your quarterback quits on ya.

hueypilot writes:

in response to ScottEmge:

UT head football coach Jon David Gruden. I like the sound of that. He wouldn't tolerate a team quitting in the second half when they get behind, an immature brat QB who pouts, quits, and has zero leadership ability or a kickers who can't nail an extra point.

what is with the love affair with Chucky? Just because he was a GA at UT and spend 9 months here? What did he ever win of his own accord? The Super Bowl? His Super Bowl? Yeah right. Gruden won his one accomplishment with Tony Dungy's team and Lane's daddy's defense with an decrepit offense that was likely the most impotent to win a Super Bowl in modern times. Why would Gruden give up his gadfly gig where he can crack wise and have 21 year old quarterbacks gush over him? Not going to happen. Besides name the last successful NFL coach to have success in College? Carroll. He was an NFL coach who took a quick sabattical and USC doesn't count. Anyone can win there with the recruiting base.

licknpromise777#651578 writes:

in response to GoVols_16:

I would love it if Bray would be benched for the rest of the season & let Worley have the team. Bray looked like HE quit the other night. Plus, with his character issues off the field, I don't think he is a leader; I don't think Bray has the fortitude to get it done when the going gets tough.

Worley may not be on the same level talent-wise, but it would be cool if Dooley pulled a Spurrier (Terry Dean) & gave the reigns to Worley. Chances are Dooley will be gone at the end of the year & Bray will be gone. Worley would be that far ahead of the game next year.

Are you on drugs??Jarvis Jones and GA would eat Worley alive..Only way to combat GA defense is with a fast thinking and quick release type QB..For the most part Bray is deadly accurate especially on long balls..Chaney did very little too help Bray once we entered desperation mode..Those out patterns Chaney kept calling were at least 10 to 15 yards to far down the field to be remotely successful and the WR's couldn't get separation because it's pretty easy to play the pass when the defense knew every play was gonna be a pass..Bray's biggest mistakes were he was having trouble reading which LB's were dropping back in coverage.On a lot of those throw aways Neal was wide open in the middle of the field but the rush was coming too fast for Bray to do anything but hone in on one WR..

RealisticVol writes:

Excellent article.

johnlg00 writes:

Just gotta say I don't see any way Gruden would be interested in getting back into coaching, especially in college. He may like Tennessee and he may enjoy tailgating there, but coaching at UT, or anywhere else for that matter, just doesn't seem likely. I laid out all the reasons why I think this way on one of the football threads, so I won't bore anybody with this further.

Suffice it to say, IMHO, that it is just NOT everybody's dream to jump into the high-pressure quagmire that is high-level college coaching these days. Gruden doesn't need the money or the fame and most certainly doesn't need the aggravation. I have never heard him even hint that he would like to get back into coaching. I would certainly support him if he came here, but I just don't see any way that is going to happen.

Sure, we could probably give him more money than he makes now at ESPN, maybe LOTS more, but most people who really achieve anything at a high level don't do it JUST for the money. People who already have a lot of money often look for other ways to distinguish themselves. They find out that there are other kinds of satisfactions in life that money can't buy; that in fact the unbridled pursuit of money can almost guarantee that they won't find them.

Many of the same considerations may well apply to such as Peterson, D'antonio, or others mentioned here. It is easier to win at Boise or at MSU than it is in the SEC. These guys may like living where they are. They have no history of coaching in the South. I don't doubt that there may be a guy out there who is dying for the UT job and might be successful at it if Dooley is let go, but not every problem in life can be solved just by throwing money at it.

3volfan writes:

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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i do agree with what your saying. BUT, what has won championships lately. not 2 and 3 star talent. look, i used to argue this same point, and finally realized, that talent will win more times than not. virginia tech is loaded with 2 and 3 star talent...........and they can't beat a ranked team. boise is the only team, which has done such, but they only have to do it once a year. not week in week out.

anything else you may have forgotton? its alot deeper than coaching. you get really good runnin back, and alot of problems are solved. your defense won't be near as tired, cause they won't be out there as much, cause we can sustain a drive in something other than the 1st half. your not one dimensional anymore. when push comes to shove, all their defense has to do is drop into a nickel or dime, and your done. so, yes there are a few key positions that we really still need talent at. and i am not for another coaching change, it doesn't work, ask alabama. they floundered for almost 15 years from that, before saint nick came along. so unless the big name coach, that can recruit is coming to Ktown, then don't even bother. it WILL set us back at least another 5 years.

3volfan writes:

in response to Rich_Is_Re-born:

So having 5 of your front 7 defensive players including both DTs, Derrick Brooks and Barrett Ruud injured doesnt impact anything? 90% of the time when a coach announces he's leaving before the seasons end, the team comes out and lays an egg. We've seen this repeatidly at the college and pro level. You denying this just shows ignorance on your behalf. Blow smoke up the next dude's rear, I ain't bying it. Gruden is the man. He might never come here, but he's the man.

ok your right..........the bucs didn't fire him, cause he wasn't that good without dungys guys around. they all quit on him. with his multiple rings and championships..........1....i am sure they just forgot to play. and being as the players could see into the future, that kiffys daddy was leaving, the next week, they decided to lay down. LOL i like gruden, and wouldn't have minded him 4 years ago, but it didn't happen and isn't going to happen,and don't personally see the love affair with him. he won 1 super bowl, on a team he took over for tony dungy..........kinda like barry switzer with the cowboys in the 90s. likeable guy, and could probably recruit, but it ain't happenin. we got what we got in a coach for a reason.....its what we could afford, for what we had. muschamp turned it down the week prior. and i think you see why. if it was any other conferance other than the SEC you would see wins pile up, but this isn't the ACC. all the most recent national titles were won by top 5 recruited teams within the previous 2 or 3 years of winning it all.

pcshowtime writes:

What in the heck is wrong you dooley boys.
1. I read that no one quit the got fatigued.
Well some quit Justin Hunter said some quit sat in the fl game. Tauren Poole said some quit last year.
2. I read that progress has been made. Well I do not see it you should never give up if you do you you should be coached up or benched. This is coaching it is called player development.
3. I have read that we will never be competitive until we can out recruit lsu al fl ect. Well lets just keep the guy that continues to be out recruited by these other schools. Besides by using that logic you would never see any schools like Oregon, West Virginia, TCU, Boise, or South Carlina win anything. because all of these teams recruiting rankings were below the Tennessee's since 2009.
4. We do not have the money to pay buyouts and get a new coach. Well you know what you got by holding on to dooley this year 7 new assistants with seven new buyouts. I also guarantee that the empty seats at neyland will cost more than what we saved. Bottom line is we can't afford to keep Dooley.
Please fellow vols fans wake up An ace is ace and a deuce is deuce. He is 0-20 when behind at half time. He is 0-18 against ranked teams.

pcshowtime writes:

in response to 3volfan:

ok your right..........the bucs didn't fire him, cause he wasn't that good without dungys guys around. they all quit on him. with his multiple rings and championships..........1....i am sure they just forgot to play. and being as the players could see into the future, that kiffys daddy was leaving, the next week, they decided to lay down. LOL i like gruden, and wouldn't have minded him 4 years ago, but it didn't happen and isn't going to happen,and don't personally see the love affair with him. he won 1 super bowl, on a team he took over for tony dungy..........kinda like barry switzer with the cowboys in the 90s. likeable guy, and could probably recruit, but it ain't happenin. we got what we got in a coach for a reason.....its what we could afford, for what we had. muschamp turned it down the week prior. and i think you see why. if it was any other conferance other than the SEC you would see wins pile up, but this isn't the ACC. all the most recent national titles were won by top 5 recruited teams within the previous 2 or 3 years of winning it all.

Are really trying to make the argument that Dooley would even be in the same league as jon Gruden as a coach. As they say on Monday night football C'MON MAN. Dooley would not be allowed to hold grudens Jock Strap.

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

in response to 3volfan:

ok your right..........the bucs didn't fire him, cause he wasn't that good without dungys guys around. they all quit on him. with his multiple rings and championships..........1....i am sure they just forgot to play. and being as the players could see into the future, that kiffys daddy was leaving, the next week, they decided to lay down. LOL i like gruden, and wouldn't have minded him 4 years ago, but it didn't happen and isn't going to happen,and don't personally see the love affair with him. he won 1 super bowl, on a team he took over for tony dungy..........kinda like barry switzer with the cowboys in the 90s. likeable guy, and could probably recruit, but it ain't happenin. we got what we got in a coach for a reason.....its what we could afford, for what we had. muschamp turned it down the week prior. and i think you see why. if it was any other conferance other than the SEC you would see wins pile up, but this isn't the ACC. all the most recent national titles were won by top 5 recruited teams within the previous 2 or 3 years of winning it all.

I know I'm right. You know I am too. According to your theory, Dungy won his SB in Indy with Jim Mora Sr's squad. Funny how you so easily dismiss Gruden's success with the Raiders prior to being the Bucs coach. It's also funny how it's widely known that Gruden could basically have any NFL job he wants. All he has to do is decide he wants to coach and could literally have a job by the next day. Perhaps you know something that the rest of the football world doesn't know. Or perhaps you don't know shiz. I'm gonna ride with choice B.

murrayvol writes:

Just the kind of article to make trolls drop trou and scream yeehah!

Lizardgrad89 writes:

Florida may have had something to do with that.

Lizardgrad89 writes:

in response to PUL4VOLS:

6. The Gators are not a 17 point better team.

Florida came into your house, at night, in front of a jacked crowd, and withstood an early onslaught to win by 17.

Reality is that you had ALL the intangibles going your way, including UF maybe having a letdown after LAST week beating a tough team in front of THEIR jacked up crowd with a stirring come from behind victory.

From my perspective, if this game had been in Florida, you lose by 40.

rockypop writes:

Is all this negativity supposed to be inspiring? Sounds like this board is filled with Bobby Knight clones right now.

cloudodust writes:

Okay JA, we all feel your pain. Time to move on and scheme for a 2006 repeat at Sanford, especially if History is the topic...and yeah, I'm looking ahead this week.

hikerdude writes:

I agree that CDD has improved the talent level. But, compared to Ala, LSU , Fla, SC, etc it is still not very good. We have midSEC talent at best.

bUTchVFL writes:

in response to claiborneh:

7. The Gators have a better athletic department, the most fertile recruiting ground in the country, warmer weather, and more thin tan girls on campus

You've never been on UT's campus in September or late spring.

tovolny writes:

John is upset. John always makes it hurt just a little more. John pretty much reflects the reality of gloom, but not doom.

Happy BD John, your present is in the mail.

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