Tennessee series with Georgia shows shift in SEC East power

The Tennessee football team celebrated its eighth consecutive victory against Georgia on Oct. 13, 1999, putting the finishing touches on the Bulldogs with a 100-yard Leonard Scott kickoff return in the fourth quarter.

Less than a year removed from the a BCS national title, the Vols moved up to No. 5 in the rankings after the victory. Tennessee proceeded to top Alabama in Tuscaloosa the following week and missed another SEC championship-game appearance only by an upset loss at Arkansas late in the season.

But the rainy day on a sloshy field at Neyland Stadium was the Vols' last victory against the Bulldogs for a while. Since that day, the Vols have lost eight of 12, including four in a row 2000-2003.

The 1990s were a decade of dominance for former coach Phillip Fulmer and Tennessee, but new coach Mark Richt and the Bulldogs have turned the

tables in the new millennium.

More important than bragging rights, the wins represented a significant shift in the balance of power in the SEC East that persists today.

The Vols (3-1, 0-1 SEC) will be 14-point underdogs when they play at No. 5 Georgia (4-0, 2-0) on Saturday (TV: WVLT, 3:30 p.m.) in Athens.

The landscape of the SEC East is dramatically different from what it was in the 1990s. South Carolina won more than six games only once in the 1990s and finished the decade by losing 20 of 21 games. Now, the Gamecocks haven't had a losing record since 2003, won 11 games in 2011 and are ranked No. 6 this season.

Florida, despite a few hiccups in the post-Spurrier era, won national titles in 2006 and 2008 and is piling up top recruiting classes under second-year coach Will Muschamp.

But Georgia's transformation has been perhaps the most dramatic in the East. Longtime coach Vince Dooley retired after the 1988 season, shortly after winning his 200th game. Ray Goff, like many coaches who step in to replace a legend, struggled to match his legacy. The Bulldogs went 27-28-1 in the SEC, winning more than four league games in a season only once in seven years under Goff.

The record was better under Jim Donnan, but the Bulldogs never won the SEC East in five years. Richt is 110-38 overall and 62-28 in his 12th year with the Bulldogs. He has won or tied for the East title five times.

So where does that leave Tennessee in this dramatically different SEC East? Rebuilding the program from the drop-off that started in 2008 will be considerably tougher, because there are more teams to fight through to get to the top.

But even in the post-2000 drought against Georgia, there have been big wins and upsets. The Vols beat Georgia 45-19 in Lane Kiffin's only season as head coach (45-19, 2009) and won back-to-back games under Fulmer in 2006 (51-33) and 2007 (35-14).

Richt reminded players this week of the 2004 game, when the undefeated and third-ranked Bulldogs were beaten by No. 17 Tennessee in Athens, 19-14.

"I told them that this situation just reminded me of that season," Richt said. "Tennessee came in with a freshman quarterback (Erik Ainge) and beat us, and I wanted to help them understand it could happen and that we better get our minds right. We better prepare just as hard or harder than the week before."

UT coach Derek Dooley said he doesn't burden players with the past.

"This is a new football team," said Dooley. "This football team is not going to be held hostage for the things that have gone on in the last four years at Tennessee and the last two years that I have been here, because it's a new team. We have embraced that ... Our team is going to be confident and I expect them to play their best."

A resurgence by Tennessee could also help equal the scales between the East and West; the West has won four of the past five BCS national titles with Alabama, LSU and Auburn. Conventional wisdom suggests the West is the league's stronger half in football after spending much of the past two decades dwarfed by East. But that no longer appears so obvious.

"We felt like we had some very outstanding teams in the East," Richt said, "and so far they are proving it."

Evan Woodbery covers Tennessee football. Follow him at www.twitter.com/TennesseeBeat.

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volinlm writes:

Nice analysis of the East. Let's hope this years Vols can channel the '04 Vols. GBO

BigOrangeFever76 (Inactive) writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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As long as you post on here, the average IQ will be considerably lower. Tell you what Toddytoad, finish your GED and then come back after that 2 years is up.

Olddogsrule writes:

in response to BigOrangeFever76:

As long as you post on here, the average IQ will be considerably lower. Tell you what Toddytoad, finish your GED and then come back after that 2 years is up.

Haters are gonna hate ... even when the Vols start winning .. when Dooley gets all his pieces in place..7 or 8 wins was all we could reasonably expect this year ... more would be gravy. Next year will truly be the tell. Not this one. But kids in the backseat are always gonna holler, "Are we there yet?"

Loud_Proud writes:

I am so glad to know that there are actually some fans like orangefever and olddogs that are willing to give CDD adequate time to prove he belongs. I believe he does. Stick together, fellas. There aren't many of us out there. GO BIG ORANGE

99gator writes:

uhh, the vols didn't play for the sec title in 1999 because they lost to florida.

they could have beaten arkansas 900-0 and they would still have been sitting at home watching florida get destroyed by alabama

dvols writes:

it will take a few more years , thats all.....chill!

huntined#565710 writes:

Would be great to get Henry tomorrow we sure need him more then Bama....If he wants to play and show what he has he will be a VOL at Bama he will sit and wait...

eVOLved writes:

in response to 99gator:

uhh, the vols didn't play for the sec title in 1999 because they lost to florida.

they could have beaten arkansas 900-0 and they would still have been sitting at home watching florida get destroyed by alabama

The troll is correct here. Thanks for keeping it real around here sir. Everyone here should agree that this troll deserves to be fed this time.

Lizardgrad89 writes:

Georgia has still lost 11 of the last 14 to UF, so I would hesitate to say they've made any dramatic transformations.

sdbgovols writes:

I never post but I am so tired of so called "Tennessee fans" writing such negative things. I just don't understand it?? Stop being so negative about the Vols and support them no matter what. Enjoy life and be proud to be a VOL.. There are so many things in life that are much worse that the Vols losing 6 games. Go Big Orange!! We will win this weekend. 3int's on Murray.
What do you call a man with a rubber toe?? Roberto

TooDlems writes:

in response to huntined#565710:

Would be great to get Henry tomorrow we sure need him more then Bama....If he wants to play and show what he has he will be a VOL at Bama he will sit and wait...

Self preservation may have a little influence on his decision.

orangecountyvols writes:

in response to sdbgovols:

I never post but I am so tired of so called "Tennessee fans" writing such negative things. I just don't understand it?? Stop being so negative about the Vols and support them no matter what. Enjoy life and be proud to be a VOL.. There are so many things in life that are much worse that the Vols losing 6 games. Go Big Orange!! We will win this weekend. 3int's on Murray.
What do you call a man with a rubber toe?? Roberto

SDB,

Well said. BTW, if you were referring to the little kid, Billy........ignore him. He's just a little punk pretender........in no way is a Vol fan. Why trolls come on here and pretend to be a Vol fan, then constantly bash the coach and team........well, we know who they are. Losers.....and of course, trolls.

SevenT writes:

Tennessee Fan should buy an extra bottle of Jack Daniels because this game could get out of hand early. Georgie out classes Tennessee in every position. It will be much easier for UT fan to watch the beatdown in a non-sober condition.

Just Saying

TitanandVolfan4life writes:

The simple FACT is that UT doesn't have SEC type players at every starting position and we don't have SEC type players on the 2nd team at every position...YET!

CDD only has 2 of his recruiting classes on campus and they're Sophs and Freshmen.

If you look at the skills of these CDD recruits we have some VERY good but young and inexperienced footVol players.

CDD has recruited well despite so many things stacked against him but when we start to get more Wins and a bowl game Win then we'll have more 4* and 5* ranked kids wanting to come to tennessee so they can play sooner instead of riding the bench for a year or 2 waiting their turn to get on the 2 deep rotation and gewt more playing time.

Every SMART person knew that CDD walked into a total rebuilding job that would take 4 to 5 years to get our player roster back to a SEC talent level and then we'd be able to knock heads with anyone in the SEC.

In the SEC it always takes a solid 2 deep roster of good, experienced players before you can compete with the best in the SEC and we just haven't rebuilt our player roster...YET!

The main reason is because we are limited to recruiting only 25 kids per year and that's how a college recruiting rotation works and so far CDD is only 1/2 way through his recruiting rotation.

I just hope our"want it all NOW" fanbase will shutup and let CDD have the next 2 or 3 years to finish his rebuilding job like he deserves and then see how CDD can coach when the player roster really is up to SEC standards and we really do have the 2 deep roster of good players to compete with anyone.

VFL...GBO!!!

Orangepuddinskin writes:

in response to TitanandVolfan4life:

The simple FACT is that UT doesn't have SEC type players at every starting position and we don't have SEC type players on the 2nd team at every position...YET!

CDD only has 2 of his recruiting classes on campus and they're Sophs and Freshmen.

If you look at the skills of these CDD recruits we have some VERY good but young and inexperienced footVol players.

CDD has recruited well despite so many things stacked against him but when we start to get more Wins and a bowl game Win then we'll have more 4* and 5* ranked kids wanting to come to tennessee so they can play sooner instead of riding the bench for a year or 2 waiting their turn to get on the 2 deep rotation and gewt more playing time.

Every SMART person knew that CDD walked into a total rebuilding job that would take 4 to 5 years to get our player roster back to a SEC talent level and then we'd be able to knock heads with anyone in the SEC.

In the SEC it always takes a solid 2 deep roster of good, experienced players before you can compete with the best in the SEC and we just haven't rebuilt our player roster...YET!

The main reason is because we are limited to recruiting only 25 kids per year and that's how a college recruiting rotation works and so far CDD is only 1/2 way through his recruiting rotation.

I just hope our"want it all NOW" fanbase will shutup and let CDD have the next 2 or 3 years to finish his rebuilding job like he deserves and then see how CDD can coach when the player roster really is up to SEC standards and we really do have the 2 deep roster of good players to compete with anyone.

VFL...GBO!!!

It is a microwave society, and everyone wants their serving instantly. I do understand the disappointment of the UT fans. We were so great for so many years, and it is hard to go through a rebuilding phase. My main question is this: If Dooley were to win one of the next 4 games, and then beat Mizzou, Vandy and Kentucky, I believe the fans would get behind him. But, how many wins would UT fans require next year? 9? 10?

We all need to face the fact that UT is a tough place to coach. We expect excellence, and this phase of mediocrity is hard to stomach. I am not sure that firing Dooley would do anything other than make our program looked even more unstable which would create worse recruiting, thus resulting in a longer rebuilding period. I want to win as much as the next guy, and I want it now. But we are treading a path that could lead to a 10-15 year rebuilding period if we jump the gun and fire CDD.

I will get bashed for stating this, and I dont really care, but jumping the gun by firing a head coach too soon is what put us in this predicament in the first place.

shipperman#280095 writes:

To all who want to keep and give contract extensions to Dooley, all I ask is one simple question: What, in his total coaching record makes you think he will ever be above mediocrity? 29-35 record at LA Tech and Tennessee, and his team makes no adjustments and has no leadership

shipperman#280095 writes:

in response to Orangepuddinskin:

It is a microwave society, and everyone wants their serving instantly. I do understand the disappointment of the UT fans. We were so great for so many years, and it is hard to go through a rebuilding phase. My main question is this: If Dooley were to win one of the next 4 games, and then beat Mizzou, Vandy and Kentucky, I believe the fans would get behind him. But, how many wins would UT fans require next year? 9? 10?

We all need to face the fact that UT is a tough place to coach. We expect excellence, and this phase of mediocrity is hard to stomach. I am not sure that firing Dooley would do anything other than make our program looked even more unstable which would create worse recruiting, thus resulting in a longer rebuilding period. I want to win as much as the next guy, and I want it now. But we are treading a path that could lead to a 10-15 year rebuilding period if we jump the gun and fire CDD.

I will get bashed for stating this, and I dont really care, but jumping the gun by firing a head coach too soon is what put us in this predicament in the first place.

No, firing the coach you are referring to was done 5 years too late

dragon18 writes:

in response to TIGERDAN:

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Why do you guys continue to trot out these types of facts? And yes they are facts. The conclusions drawn from them are however, erroneous. They have not been a result of poor coaching, or the infamous halftime adjustments that are continuously lamented on these posts. It has, and to a smaller extent, continues to be a result of depth and second team experience. Through last year during Dooley's tenure UT simply did not have the talent or large bodies to compete 4 quarters in the SEC, especially given the brutal schedule that the Vols played last year. We are all in a hurry to win again, and Dooley does need to prove he's the guy to continue to move the program forward. But Please give the man time. He inherited an absolute train wreck of a program. Much worse than Saban, Richt, Miles, Meyer or even Spurrier for that matter. I truly believe Dooley inherited a team that would not have won the MAC conference with the talent and depth they had. It does not serve the team or the program well for people to continually call for this man's head. So please take just this one more season and be supportive even if we are not winning against the top fifteen teams in our league. GO VOLS!!! I hope we win Saturday, but to keep it real, I will not predict a win this weekend. I hope for the best and believe it could happen, but it is not likely.

Orangepuddinskin writes:

in response to shipperman#280095:

No, firing the coach you are referring to was done 5 years too late

Like I said before. I knew I would get bashed for my opinion, and your opinion mean absolutely squat to me. Some of our fickle fans, such as yourself, are the exact reason that we are in the boat we are in. You are probably one of the main supporters of the "hang Dooley" fan club. When you start firing a coach because of a bad year or two, you lose stability. When you lose stability, you cannot coax a new, bigger name coach to the school.

I know, this should please you. Let's fire our HC every year that we dont win a national title. That will draw recruits for sure, right? Geez. Trolls, they are everywhere.

UTVOL2001 writes:

Come on VOL FANS, let's support our team! I like some of these posts! Give CDD a little time and be patient. It is coming together! We can win Saturday!

licknpromise777#651578 writes:

Not so long ago a game against GA or SC could go either way with no team really dominate..I recall a number of times we blew out SC by 24 points..Now we enter those games as sure underdogs and I really hate that role!!!Some but not all of this new trend comes down to recruiting and coaching stability..Good example is Richt landing 2 excellent RB's in Gurley and Marshall in the same class..Meanwhile we sign Watson and some kid who quit that I don't even remember his name..You don't hear about anybody telling Gurley a freshman he needs to learn how to hit the hole in the middle while Neal a junior is still learning to trust his lineman..This my friends is one of many reasons we enter a 14 point underdog!!!!

CrankE writes:

WHO IS THIS WOODBERRY IDIOT!?

In 1999, Tennessee won their 9th straight against Georgia, not their 8th. The Vols defeated Georgia in 1989, and from 92-99. By the way, UT is still the only team to ever beat Georgia 9 consecutive times.

Also, UF's only conference loss in the 1999 was to Alabama. UT's loss to Arkansas was irrelevant in the SEC East standings.

Evan, I hereby christen thee, "Littlejohn". (little john adams)

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to 99gator:

uhh, the vols didn't play for the sec title in 1999 because they lost to florida.

they could have beaten arkansas 900-0 and they would still have been sitting at home watching florida get destroyed by alabama

I don't believe UF would have been higher ranked than UT if they had finished in a three way tie..Suppose that's what he meant to say..

jobrando#216494 writes:

Big Words....prove it on the field..We are waiting with little hope

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to CrankE:

WHO IS THIS WOODBERRY IDIOT!?

In 1999, Tennessee won their 9th straight against Georgia, not their 8th. The Vols defeated Georgia in 1989, and from 92-99. By the way, UT is still the only team to ever beat Georgia 9 consecutive times.

Also, UF's only conference loss in the 1999 was to Alabama. UT's loss to Arkansas was irrelevant in the SEC East standings.

Evan, I hereby christen thee, "Littlejohn". (little john adams)

I command a name change to "Dingleberry"!

ARANGEVOL writes:

HUMMM! The loser will be Tenn. Other losers Vandy, Townson St, Arkansas, Ole Miss, and Mizzo. GO VOLS
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RockyTop1_old writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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Just remember if you would move to Arkansas you would raise the IQ in BOTH states!!! GBO...Beat the Dawgs!!

BeRealistic writes:

in response to TitanandVolfan4life:

The simple FACT is that UT doesn't have SEC type players at every starting position and we don't have SEC type players on the 2nd team at every position...YET!

CDD only has 2 of his recruiting classes on campus and they're Sophs and Freshmen.

If you look at the skills of these CDD recruits we have some VERY good but young and inexperienced footVol players.

CDD has recruited well despite so many things stacked against him but when we start to get more Wins and a bowl game Win then we'll have more 4* and 5* ranked kids wanting to come to tennessee so they can play sooner instead of riding the bench for a year or 2 waiting their turn to get on the 2 deep rotation and gewt more playing time.

Every SMART person knew that CDD walked into a total rebuilding job that would take 4 to 5 years to get our player roster back to a SEC talent level and then we'd be able to knock heads with anyone in the SEC.

In the SEC it always takes a solid 2 deep roster of good, experienced players before you can compete with the best in the SEC and we just haven't rebuilt our player roster...YET!

The main reason is because we are limited to recruiting only 25 kids per year and that's how a college recruiting rotation works and so far CDD is only 1/2 way through his recruiting rotation.

I just hope our"want it all NOW" fanbase will shutup and let CDD have the next 2 or 3 years to finish his rebuilding job like he deserves and then see how CDD can coach when the player roster really is up to SEC standards and we really do have the 2 deep roster of good players to compete with anyone.

VFL...GBO!!!

Agree, very intelligent fan.

BeRealistic writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

You would make a good contestant on (Are you smarter than a fifth grader). Without the kids help you wouldn't get past the first question.

FearTheVols1252 writes:

in response to TitanandVolfan4life:

The simple FACT is that UT doesn't have SEC type players at every starting position and we don't have SEC type players on the 2nd team at every position...YET!

CDD only has 2 of his recruiting classes on campus and they're Sophs and Freshmen.

If you look at the skills of these CDD recruits we have some VERY good but young and inexperienced footVol players.

CDD has recruited well despite so many things stacked against him but when we start to get more Wins and a bowl game Win then we'll have more 4* and 5* ranked kids wanting to come to tennessee so they can play sooner instead of riding the bench for a year or 2 waiting their turn to get on the 2 deep rotation and gewt more playing time.

Every SMART person knew that CDD walked into a total rebuilding job that would take 4 to 5 years to get our player roster back to a SEC talent level and then we'd be able to knock heads with anyone in the SEC.

In the SEC it always takes a solid 2 deep roster of good, experienced players before you can compete with the best in the SEC and we just haven't rebuilt our player roster...YET!

The main reason is because we are limited to recruiting only 25 kids per year and that's how a college recruiting rotation works and so far CDD is only 1/2 way through his recruiting rotation.

I just hope our"want it all NOW" fanbase will shutup and let CDD have the next 2 or 3 years to finish his rebuilding job like he deserves and then see how CDD can coach when the player roster really is up to SEC standards and we really do have the 2 deep roster of good players to compete with anyone.

VFL...GBO!!!

I really like Dooley and want him to succeed, but let’s face it… he NEEDED to win that Florida game to survive, so unless he pulls off at least one unexpected win in October (and I don’t think Miss St qualifies), I think there’s a better than average chance he’s handed his walking papers. If not, I hope he at least makes a coordinator change. The jury is still out on Sal, and I don’t think ANYONE expected our defense to be good this year while making the transition to a 3-4. No other team in the SEC has had a great defense while making that transition, so I don’t see us as being any different. I would however like to see them replace Chaney.

In my opinion, I just don’t think Chaney is an SEC caliber coordinator. He’s a pass-happy coordinator who hasn’t quite figured out that you need a running game to survive in the SEC. Often times I believe that head coaches are only as good as their coordinators, and Fulmer certainly proved that. There was a HUGE difference with Cutcliffe vs. without. If CDD somehow survives, I think he at least needs to make that change to become competitive in this league and to extend his tenure.

My $.02.

illinoisvolfan writes:

Has anyone ever considered the possibility that Toddy and Jeffy are...ah, never mind. It's just too sickening to think about.

GBO, send the Dawgs to the Pound!

OrangePsyched writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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cowardgrovebilly when I tried to get you to meet me at neyland for the bama game you went into this not physically attracted mush. Now you talk about people getting turned on by CDD. Now I know why you come on here so often. It's to meet boys isn't it. What's wrong facebook not working out for you? At least CDD has to face the public while you lurk behind a keyboard lurking trying to get dudes to talk to you. Isn't there a march you could be organizing? Vols win 38-28.

BigOrangeFever76 (Inactive) writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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What a crock of horsecrap. You are a sniveling coward just like your mentor Flowers. Old Jeffy is a disgrace to anything orange...a Benedict Arnold kind of guy. You, on the other hand, are just a mindless minion who still lives with his parents while nearing 50 frikin years of age. Come on Toddy...DENY THAT YOU STILL LIVE AT HOME WITH YOUR MUMMY And DA DA. You won't deny it because its true. If you do deny it, I have proof that I will share online. So put up or shut up William Todd Freeman.

illinoisvolfan writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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He played the game, but he's a bitter old man because he was never as good as his brother. Things like that happen, but you don't take it out on others, you make yourself into the best you that you can be.

From the look of many of your comments, it appears that you just played around...with panties.

Bring something better next time...

BigOrangeFever76 (Inactive) writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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Where is your denial, FRAUD? Toddyturd you are a nimcompoop from start to finish. You are not a real Vol fan. First, you have ZERO connection to the University of Tennessee. The $5 Power T hat you bought at Walmart in Tuscaloozer does not count. You live in a fantasy world where you are the King. The only throne you sit on is the porcelain one in your mommy's house. Don't forget to flush.

volbike writes:

the drop off stared in 2001 not 2008

RockyMtnVol writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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I'm sure your an expert on repairing broken programs, recuiting, coaching, offense, defense etc...you people are idiots...CDD is just the person to bring back our program vs. a flash in the pan team.

Go Vols!!!

RockyMtnVol writes:

in response to shipperman#280095:

To all who want to keep and give contract extensions to Dooley, all I ask is one simple question: What, in his total coaching record makes you think he will ever be above mediocrity? 29-35 record at LA Tech and Tennessee, and his team makes no adjustments and has no leadership

Its easy to repeat what others have said, but if you look at the numbers, UT has steadily improved under CDD. I don't want to sell our soul like Auburn did for Cam Newton, I want a sustained program that will compete year after year. CDD is doing that very thing, if idiots like you would put down the Pabst Blue Ribbon and look harder through those blood shot eyes, you would see that.

Go Vols!!

shipperman#280095 writes:

in response to MerlotGoVols:

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Your boy Phil had a winning percentage against the top 25 in his last 7 years of .323. I would say that was rather suckdom as u refer to it. Fact is, without Cutcliff and Chavis, his tenure would have been much shorter. Dooley has a losing record, and that is likely to continue in the next month. Facts are what they are. Unless Haslem is willing to write a BIG check to get a decent coach, get used to it

illinoisvolfan writes:

Fair enough, Todd. We can agree to disagree, that's what this forum is for. The one thing we can agree on is we want the Big Orange back on top again. Sadly, none of us know how soon that will be.

RockyMtnVol writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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Its people like you that take a little bit of information and blow it up like.....this is it, this why I am right and never take the time to really look at the details. CDD is still coaching players that Fulmer recuited...do you understand what I just said? the task that UT handed CDD, is equivilent to you try to learn basic math.

OMG, you and your buddies are just stupid. This team has the talent to be the begining of the new UT, but if we ain't in the SEC Championship the 1st or 2nd year of a new coach.....fire him!

You get real!! This is the S E C goof ball, building a program from the "ashes" of what CDD inherited is bigger than your pea size brain can comprehend. So, go back and flip some burgers.

Go Vols!!!!

DavidB writes:

Help me out here:

Dooley said " he doesn't burden players with the past."

Even I have to admit that is a stupid comment. Dooley is always talking about tradition. Doesnt tradition start in the past? Didnt the orange pants come out in the past and that why he wears them?

I am not bashing Dooley but I do believe the past is very important. Players need to know the past, they need to know that UT used to be great, that UT used to beat teams that were ranked. Just very odd to me.

HopeisNotaCourseofAction writes:

in response to RockyMtnVol:

Its people like you that take a little bit of information and blow it up like.....this is it, this why I am right and never take the time to really look at the details. CDD is still coaching players that Fulmer recuited...do you understand what I just said? the task that UT handed CDD, is equivilent to you try to learn basic math.

OMG, you and your buddies are just stupid. This team has the talent to be the begining of the new UT, but if we ain't in the SEC Championship the 1st or 2nd year of a new coach.....fire him!

You get real!! This is the S E C goof ball, building a program from the "ashes" of what CDD inherited is bigger than your pea size brain can comprehend. So, go back and flip some burgers.

Go Vols!!!!

SEC championship? Heck we can't even get a winning record at the end of the last 2 seasons, can't beat an SEC team other than the 2 bottom dwellers, can't beat a ranked team in 2 plus years.

Who is asking for an SEC chamionship? Many of us would just like to see a sign of improvement. Winning the cupcakes and losing to ALL the big boy pants teams is way too old. Let's win just ONE game against a ranked SEC team in the 3d CDD year - is that really asking for too much?

We can actually win 7 games this year and not beat a team with a winning record. If we lose again this year to all the ranked opponents, did we at least close the gap? Did not see it in the uf game, still had quitters and lost by double digits.

So let's see what happens this week in round 2 when we meet another ranked SEC team, and then the next 3 weeks. If we go 0-5 again this year, the 3d year, vs ranked SEC teams, is that acceptable?

SEC chamionship? Looking at the last 2 years I do not think anyone was expecting that this year, but if we are on the wrong side of blow outs the next 4 weeks, CDD should not be rewarded with 2-3 more years.

Now please pass me a burger and a cold PBR...

CrankE writes:

in response to DavidB:

Help me out here:

Dooley said " he doesn't burden players with the past."

Even I have to admit that is a stupid comment. Dooley is always talking about tradition. Doesnt tradition start in the past? Didnt the orange pants come out in the past and that why he wears them?

I am not bashing Dooley but I do believe the past is very important. Players need to know the past, they need to know that UT used to be great, that UT used to beat teams that were ranked. Just very odd to me.

I'm all about help! Here you go, David.

"don't burden players with the past"

Translation:
Ignore the the traditional expectations of UT football. You know, contend for championships, defeat archrivals on a regular basis, fill Neyland Stadium for every home game, not lose to Kentucky, etc.

Lower the bar. Load up on the junk food of 300 yard passing games against FCS opponents and wins over hapless cupcakes while never once devouring the meat and potatoes of your SEC competition.

Don't remind kids of past glories because we're not going to do those things. Besides, these kids are too fragile to continually hear previous teams praised for their achievements when they have none. After all, it's been so tough in the league with everybody in the conference moving into the top ten and everything. To remind them is to embarrass them. After all, this whole mess is someone else's fault and we're in year 2 (or is it year zero?). Surely we can't expect them to actually defeat an SEC opponent other than Vanderbilt?

The real irony? By ignoring the past, Dooley is repeating it. UT suffered their first back to back losing seasons in a hundred years under his watch and a third straight losing season is not out of the question.

Forgive me, I'm inferring and reading ahead, but this is the logical destination that Dooley's statement leads. When Bob Stoops showed up at Oklahoma, they were a sad sack. But he embraced the old Sooners, the champions of old, the "Sooner Magic" and pointed his team in that direction. It paid off almost immediately and has continued to do so.

Helpfully yours,
CrankE

thevoice writes:

in response to BigOrangeFever76:

Where is your denial, FRAUD? Toddyturd you are a nimcompoop from start to finish. You are not a real Vol fan. First, you have ZERO connection to the University of Tennessee. The $5 Power T hat you bought at Walmart in Tuscaloozer does not count. You live in a fantasy world where you are the King. The only throne you sit on is the porcelain one in your mommy's house. Don't forget to flush.

Just wondering why you, or any other person, spends so much time and effort replying to the very posters whom you despise. Not having confidence in one's beliefs and thereby succumbing to the temptation to respond to those with whom you strongly disagree just seems to be a total waste. Plus, in the spirit of making GVX a little more enjoyable for others, it sure would be nice to see on-topic comments.

VOLS34 writes:

"Based on his 4-13 record, the worst ever among UT coaches, i wouldn't call that bringing the program back."

Couldn't agree more. Dooley is not built to coach in the SEC. Look at Saban, Miles, Spurrier, even Muschamp and watch how they coach in the second half. Sure Chaney is one dimensional and the offense is predictable, but ultimately that responsibility lies with the Head Coach. Give our talent to one of the aforementioned coaches and I guarantee that they beat Florida a few weeks ago, they wouldn't just lay down. Sure Bray looks like a quitter out there, but I didn't see Dooley doing anything different. We need a winner, mediocrity is not acceptable.

JonGrudensAgent writes:

in response to CrankE:

I'm all about help! Here you go, David.

"don't burden players with the past"

Translation:
Ignore the the traditional expectations of UT football. You know, contend for championships, defeat archrivals on a regular basis, fill Neyland Stadium for every home game, not lose to Kentucky, etc.

Lower the bar. Load up on the junk food of 300 yard passing games against FCS opponents and wins over hapless cupcakes while never once devouring the meat and potatoes of your SEC competition.

Don't remind kids of past glories because we're not going to do those things. Besides, these kids are too fragile to continually hear previous teams praised for their achievements when they have none. After all, it's been so tough in the league with everybody in the conference moving into the top ten and everything. To remind them is to embarrass them. After all, this whole mess is someone else's fault and we're in year 2 (or is it year zero?). Surely we can't expect them to actually defeat an SEC opponent other than Vanderbilt?

The real irony? By ignoring the past, Dooley is repeating it. UT suffered their first back to back losing seasons in a hundred years under his watch and a third straight losing season is not out of the question.

Forgive me, I'm inferring and reading ahead, but this is the logical destination that Dooley's statement leads. When Bob Stoops showed up at Oklahoma, they were a sad sack. But he embraced the old Sooners, the champions of old, the "Sooner Magic" and pointed his team in that direction. It paid off almost immediately and has continued to do so.

Helpfully yours,
CrankE

Well stated and the food analogies were spot on.

Dooley's UT career to this point has amounted to tofu: plenty of useless flavor with clever comments and stats accumulated against MAC teams but very little in the way of long-lasting subsistence.

shipperman#280095 writes:

in response to MerlotGoVols:

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Yet you can not accept the true facts

kcbigorngX writes:

in response to DavidB:

Help me out here:

Dooley said " he doesn't burden players with the past."

Even I have to admit that is a stupid comment. Dooley is always talking about tradition. Doesnt tradition start in the past? Didnt the orange pants come out in the past and that why he wears them?

I am not bashing Dooley but I do believe the past is very important. Players need to know the past, they need to know that UT used to be great, that UT used to beat teams that were ranked. Just very odd to me.

Read the quote again, but this time put emphasis on the word 'burden' rather than on 'past'.

You can use history and tradition to raise a man up as well as weigh him down.

Vanderbilt has a tradition of fielding football teams that suck hard.

WaltIQof81 has a history of self inflicted knee injuries resulting from fear of the pants.

Lifelongvolsfan writes:

Call me a hater or whatever but these Dooley supporters are almost as big an embarrassment to UT as Boy Blunder Dooley is. Maybe we can leave you all there with Dooley after Georgia beats the snot out of us??? One of you is saying "Give Dooley a 3 year extension"? Are you kidding me or are you a relative to Coach Blunder.

I hate to break it to you bleeding heart, "buy any excuse", Dool-Aid drinkers but this is Tennessee. Yes, the Tennessee that is one of the most historic programs in all of college football. The Tennessee that deserves a winning coach, not one with a losing record at LA. Tech before he came to Tennessee. The Tennessee that deserves a coach that is well respected, not one where a huge chunk of his staff leaves him. The Tennessee that needs a coach who is creative and can develop strategies to WIN, not be WINLESS vs Top 25 teams and NEVER obtain a win when losing at halftime.

You "so-called" fans that come on here and bash daily anyone who is upset with Dooley are a disgrace to Tennessee. Go put on a Kentucky or Vanderbilt hat and represent them since you seem more than willing to settle for mediocrity. I hope you dont settle for mediocrity in your own lives like you do for your beloved team. Tennessee represents excellence and should demand nothing less. He was given a pass in year 1 and year 2 without any signature wins because of the bad situation he stepped into but no longer! Dooley is a failure and not worthy of representing the excellence which was and will be Tennessee football.

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