Big drop in Tyler Bray's fourth-quarter numbers

Tennessee quarterback Tyler Bray (8) is hit by Georgia linebacker Amarlo Herrera (52) as he releases a pass in the second half of an NCAA college football game Saturday, Sept. 29, 2012, in Athens, Ga. Georgia won 51-44. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

Tennessee quarterback Tyler Bray (8) is hit by Georgia linebacker Amarlo Herrera (52) as he releases a pass in the second half of an NCAA college football game Saturday, Sept. 29, 2012, in Athens, Ga. Georgia won 51-44. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

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In the aftermath of Tennessee's failed comeback attempt at No. 5 Georgia on Saturday, Vols quarterback Tyler Bray was left answering for three turnovers in UT's final three possessions.

Interception.

Fumble.

Interception.

Ballgame.

Trailing by a touchdown at Sanford Stadium, Bray said the Vols offense "just kind of fell apart," and admitted that he was trying to do too much.

"I told Tyler, I'm sure everyone is going to comment about him not winning the game, and that's not fair to him because he's on a long journey as a quarterback," UT coach Derek Dooley said Saturday. "He hasn't been in those situations a lot, he just hasn't, in his career here. He's going to learn from it and next time he's in it he's going to execute better."

Next time might come in two weeks when Tennessee (3-2, 0-2 SEC) travels to No. 20 Mississippi State (4-0, 1-0).

Until then, the Vols' inability to finish upset bids against Georgia and Florida will be dissected.

Bray's fourth-quarter numbers in 2012 will be the nucleus of the conversation.

The junior has completed 18-of-38 passes for 235 yards, two touchdowns and two interceptions in five fourth-quarter performances in 2012. His 106.2 quarterback rating is significantly lower than in the first quarter (150.4), second quarter (166.9) and third quarter (151.8).

"He's played a lot, but hasn't been in those types of end-of-the-game situations enough," Dooley reiterated.

In the first half of games over his UT career, Bray has completed 218-of-355 (61.4 percent) passes for 3,671 yards, 35 touchdowns, eight interceptions and taken eight sacks.

In the second half of games, he's 172-for-309 (55.7) for 2,098 yards, 14 touchdowns, 14 interceptions and 21 sacks.

*The Vols made history on Saturday.

Not that they wanted to, though.

The 51-44 loss to Georgia marked the first time in program history that UT fell when scoring over 40 points. A 177-game streak was snapped.

*Despite the loss, UT scored well on the Richt-er scale. In his postgame press conference, Georgia coach Mark Richt said, "I think Derek (Dooley) has got them going in the right direction. They're going to be a pain in the rear for some time to come."

*Against Georgia, UT linebacker A.J. Johnson scored his third touchdown this season out of the Wildcat package while running backs Marlin Lane and Devrin Young have yet to score a rushing touchdown.

Who saw that coming?

*Mississippi State climbed one spot in the AP poll Sunday to No. 20 despite enjoying a bye week. The Bulldogs' victories in 2012 have come over Jackson State, Auburn, Troy and South Alabama. The four are a combined 5-14.

The Bulldogs will face Kentucky (1-4, 0-2) in Lexington on Saturday.

*UT owns six straight wins over MSU, tied for the Vols' longest active streak over an SEC foe (UT has also beaten Vanderbilt six straight times). The Bulldogs' last win came in 1994.

Brendan F. Quinn covers Tennessee men's basketball. Follow him at Twitter.com/BFQuinn

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jobrando#216494 writes:

This game should be a win just as the last four should. State has played absolutely no one. If it's not then will doubt ability to finish off last four. Must win for these VOLS and Dooley. Got two weeks to get ready. A loss will be very bad.

heyitsme writes:

Maybe the volnation will see what many have been saying. UT has a gunslinger at QB. And that's all he is.

I'm ready for a QB much like Casey Clausen (or Murray, Shaw, Franklin, or McCarron) that can throw, run, audible at the line of scrimmage and motivate teammates.

I've seen enough of the high velocity passes...

alavol writes:

i like Bray just fine. remember the ones we have had recently. Yes, I liked Clausen too. But all Bray needs to have is patience. Don't throw ball into double coverage. Remember Sims who would stare down one receiver? now that we have a running game this will give Bray more time.

mdvol writes:

VOLS by 2 touchdowns against MSU.

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

The only thing Bray really doesn't have at this point that Clausen did, is that under-pressure performance. Clausen was at his best when it was all on the line. I always had confidence in him in those situations Bray was in yesterday in the fourth quarter. I think that was the first time Bray has ever even been in that situation.

You can straight-up blame Tyler for the first of those two interceptions. It was first down, and there was plenty of time. He tried to force it. As he said himself, he was trying to do too much. Hopefully he learned from that. He should have thrown that one well over Patterson and Commings' heads, and lived to try again on second down.

The fumble was unfortunate, but Bray isn't a guy who gets a lot of work on how to protect the ball when you run. Quarterbacks (not dual-threat types) are relatively easy to strip the ball from. The kid was just trying to tuck it and get something on a play when the original plan fell through.

DukeDeLuca2 writes:

Bray will be fine.

All we have to do is put a Chevy logo on the receivers' hands and paint the football to look like a Titleist Pro V1. Hand him a Bud and tell him to let 'er rip.

He's got some creds in that situation.

Vols_fan_27 writes:

Worley has been through this stretch... I just wonder if Bray will take any advice he has to offer?

TrouserCough writes:

He may not be good at playing quaterback, but he's good at drinking beer

GatorHater1998 writes:

Vols 33 miss st 26
Bama 42 Vols 14
Vols 30 south car 27
Vols 49 Troy 17
Vols 42 mizzou 30
Vols 35 Vandy 20
Vols 45 KY 13

I think our 1st big upset comes against south carolina.

rockypop writes:

For all you posters who think Bray, Patterson and Hunter are headed to the NFL after this season - get real. While I'll admit there's a chance, I will also say that history is against them. Bray and Hunter have yet to play a full season (except, maybe for this one). Patterson is playing his first D1 season this year. None of these guys have shown they can compete favorably against big time competition.

Look at Heath Shuler, who was considered a sure lock to be an NFL star after coming out as a Junior, but ended up a bust. Vince Young came out as a Junior and was a bust.

Sure, these guys can declare, but they would all be fools to do so. They need to stay and prove they are who they say they are. And, that particularly applies to Bray. He hasn't done jack, except beat D2 competition. Sure, the guy has all the tools, but he has yet to prove he can perform at the next level against quality competition.

Now I realize that all of them have people in their ears. But, if they listen, they're all going to fail. Including the people in their ears.

OrangePsyched writes:

Cowardgrovebilly how's that loser family of yours doing?

UTistheOLEMISSoftheEAST writes:

in response to mdvol:

VOLS by 2 touchdowns against MSU.

Says the one who told us ut would "hang" 100 in the first two games and "hang" 40 on them Gators. Will take at least 2 games to "hang" 40 on UF.

Keep up the good work.

UTistheOLEMISSoftheEAST writes:

in response to GatorHater1998:

Vols 33 miss st 26
Bama 42 Vols 14
Vols 30 south car 27
Vols 49 Troy 17
Vols 42 mizzou 30
Vols 35 Vandy 20
Vols 45 KY 13

I think our 1st big upset comes against south carolina.

Vawls 20 UF 37

:)

GloryDays writes:

Tyler Bray has no mobility. He is a statue.

Its_Goooood writes:

Playing from behind against prevent D will hurt your numbers. He has to throw, you know it, I know it, and the American people know it, so maybe the D knows it

VolzsFan writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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your applauding wins over Vandy, Kentucky and Ole Miss. Nice job.

VolzsFan writes:

Those of you that think/thought Bray is an NFL QB, you should be ashamed. He has played two conference games so far and been shown up miserably by both opposing QBs.

BTW, Miss State beat up Auburn. Tenn cannot beat Auburn.

orangecountyvols writes:

in response to 10seVol85_Part_Deux:

The only thing Bray really doesn't have at this point that Clausen did, is that under-pressure performance. Clausen was at his best when it was all on the line. I always had confidence in him in those situations Bray was in yesterday in the fourth quarter. I think that was the first time Bray has ever even been in that situation.

You can straight-up blame Tyler for the first of those two interceptions. It was first down, and there was plenty of time. He tried to force it. As he said himself, he was trying to do too much. Hopefully he learned from that. He should have thrown that one well over Patterson and Commings' heads, and lived to try again on second down.

The fumble was unfortunate, but Bray isn't a guy who gets a lot of work on how to protect the ball when you run. Quarterbacks (not dual-threat types) are relatively easy to strip the ball from. The kid was just trying to tuck it and get something on a play when the original plan fell through.

10SE,

Great comments.

Now, as to the next to last interception, here is my take FWIW.

The Vols were moving the ball, on the ground even. There were something like 4 minutes remaining, and I could be wrong, but believe we had just picked up a first down. Anyway, it was not 3rd down. I said to myself, keep it on the ground on this next play. Then, Tyler threw the interception and it pretty much killed our chances. I will also say this for Z Rogers. That guy has stepped up his game and has become a dependable receiver. 2 weeks to iron out all these mistakes and go to Starkville ready to play some football.

sundiver98 writes:

well trout out JM, waaaiiiitt no it Phil Fulmers fault

usafvol writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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Do you guy's share a toothbrush or what? Nauseating..

mocsandvolsfan writes:

Weeeeeelll! I think this will be a defensive game. Wait a sec.!! I said that about the Georgia game. I was right though. I predicted a high scoring defensive game.hehe And the same in this one. And to save time posting I'll just predict the remaining games to be high scoring defensive games.lol

UT 48 Missst 24

mocsandvolsfan writes:

in response to usafvol:

Do you guy's share a toothbrush or what? Nauseating..

I seem to be "stalking" you today. Sorry. But some one's got to control the "visitors" who keep pestering the UT fans! Not YOU! But that other guy who has the brain of a pea and needs to give it back.(he'll probably post on here and say, "hey Mocs, I'm seem to somehow stole your pea brain"! Then I would come back and say "Don't worry Collegegrovebill you need it more than I do. How else can you come up with any post at all?" so on and so forth.

VOLFLIAM writes:

in response to WaltGoVols:

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You are a joke !!!!! IJS

DeltaCharlie3 writes:

in response to mdvol:

VOLS by 2 touchdowns against MSU.

LOL..

From the "we'll hang 40 on Florida" guy, who hasn't had a prediction right in his entire posting history.

richvol writes:

McCarron and Murray are both vastly superior QB's than Bray. Bray has yet to ever beat anyone when the game is on the line. McCarron and Murray both are much more clutch players. Bray may have good skills but he is not proving to be a winner or leader.

usafvol writes:

in response to titletownz:

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You mean looking stupid like yourself and the rest of the bottom feeding trolls on here? The fact that you come on here just to stroke your own pathetic little ego is really funny to me; how sad your miserable life seems to be..

CrankE writes:

"We weren't ourselves out there." Bray, speaking of the implosion against UF.

One of the things that Kiffin did right at UT (and there are only a couple) was the resurrection of Jonathan Crompton as a QB. In 2008, Crompton sucked. And nobody on that coaching staff apparently helped him to overcome that. In 2009, he again sucked. Against the howls of the fanbase, Kiffin stuck by him and fixed at least some of the problems he was having-or at least put him into situations where he was most comfortable and more likely to succeed.

Bray has a ton of talent as a gunslinger. Reminds me some of Andy Kelly who could win a game or break your heart with one pass. I always held my breath when he threw the ball. Bray can do a lot of things well. If this coaching staff would only fix some of the little things he's doing poorly....

It's the same story with the kicking game where neither The Couch nor Palardy are good for more than 5-6 kicks before they start misfiring and the coaches again have no answer. I suspect that like Bray, they are not being corrected on the tiny details that make a big difference in the quality of their play.

On defense, it seems to be the same story.

I suspect that overall, our coaching staff is focusing on getting the big things right to the neglect of the little things.

The frustrating thing for UT right now is that they really aren't that far away from being 5-0. If only they fixed the little things...

My fear for the remainder of the year: That UT will win just enough games to simulate real improvement while masking the underlying problem of a coaching staff that is not correcting the little errors with the greatest value. My fear is that those wins will be just enough to maintain the status quo and thus continue UT's improvement at a glacial pace. This is the tough decision that Dave Hart will be faced with. Continue improving very slow, or start over?

Apologies for the length.

TheCopper writes:

in response to titletownz:

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And we suggest that you drink a gallon of bleach. Typical classless, florida punk.

kjav writes:

Georgia coach Mark Richt said, "I think Derek (Dooley) has got them going in the right direction. They're going to be a pain in the rear for some time to come."

Just like Ray Goff and Mike Shula were a pain in ours. I'm concerned when too many opposing coaches say we have a good coach, you know it's their job to beat us.

62vol writes:

in response to jobrando#216494:

This game should be a win just as the last four should. State has played absolutely no one. If it's not then will doubt ability to finish off last four. Must win for these VOLS and Dooley. Got two weeks to get ready. A loss will be very bad.

I agree. With a week off to correct the mistakes we will be at our best. In years past, we did not have the personnel to fix problems, We had depth problems because of a short roster. The team is just now getting coming to the point corrections can be made.

crappieking writes:

The title is wrong. Bray's turnover numbers are up in the 4th quarter. This guy is a average QB at best, and you Doolaid drinking idiots know it. Like I said a few days ago, 4 straight losses from our under coached team. Dooley is a miserable 4-14 in SEC play. A overall coaching record of 31-36. He is a joke, and should have never been hired.

TheCopper writes:

in response to crappieking:

The title is wrong. Bray's turnover numbers are up in the 4th quarter. This guy is a average QB at best, and you Doolaid drinking idiots know it. Like I said a few days ago, 4 straight losses from our under coached team. Dooley is a miserable 4-14 in SEC play. A overall coaching record of 31-36. He is a joke, and should have never been hired.

Man you sure do have the right screen name. You are definitely the king of cr@p

licknpromise777#651578 writes:

in response to alavol:

i like Bray just fine. remember the ones we have had recently. Yes, I liked Clausen too. But all Bray needs to have is patience. Don't throw ball into double coverage. Remember Sims who would stare down one receiver? now that we have a running game this will give Bray more time.

I agree I think one of Bray's faults is overconfidence..The INT to Cp was a terrible throw but Chaney made another bonehead call by passing on a down that should have been a run

RickyVols writes:

I sill believe in Bray. He will continue to get better and surprise with some big wins this season.

DavidB writes:

in response to rockypop:

For all you posters who think Bray, Patterson and Hunter are headed to the NFL after this season - get real. While I'll admit there's a chance, I will also say that history is against them. Bray and Hunter have yet to play a full season (except, maybe for this one). Patterson is playing his first D1 season this year. None of these guys have shown they can compete favorably against big time competition.

Look at Heath Shuler, who was considered a sure lock to be an NFL star after coming out as a Junior, but ended up a bust. Vince Young came out as a Junior and was a bust.

Sure, these guys can declare, but they would all be fools to do so. They need to stay and prove they are who they say they are. And, that particularly applies to Bray. He hasn't done jack, except beat D2 competition. Sure, the guy has all the tools, but he has yet to prove he can perform at the next level against quality competition.

Now I realize that all of them have people in their ears. But, if they listen, they're all going to fail. Including the people in their ears.

100% sure Patterson is not declaring this year because he is only a sophomore.

I think Bray will be here next year because he does have to improve before going Pro.

Hunter will declare this year because he has to protect his ACL. If he stays another year he could lose millions.

VolinCalif writes:

in response to richvol:

McCarron and Murray are both vastly superior QB's than Bray. Bray has yet to ever beat anyone when the game is on the line. McCarron and Murray both are much more clutch players. Bray may have good skills but he is not proving to be a winner or leader.

I've said it before. I think the real trouble with Bray is simply lack of experience. Even as a Jr. he has not played in games where he faced trouble like he is facing now. He'll learn and he has talent. What an arm just, needs to learn when to hold up a little and be sure to hit the receivers or keep it out of play.

usafvol writes:

in response to crappieking:

The title is wrong. Bray's turnover numbers are up in the 4th quarter. This guy is a average QB at best, and you Doolaid drinking idiots know it. Like I said a few days ago, 4 straight losses from our under coached team. Dooley is a miserable 4-14 in SEC play. A overall coaching record of 31-36. He is a joke, and should have never been hired.

You're the joke trollcrapking.

volinlm writes:

Tyler Bray has good skills. I recall that Peyton never ran around much..and he was criticized for having "happy feet" in the pocket. I would say his feet are pretty happy right now! Bray will be fine. He may not have the " cerebral" part of the game down yet, but he will get better. I hope he stays around for another year.

CarlChilders writes:

in response to GloryDays:

Tyler Bray has no mobility. He is a statue.

After watching Matt Sims, Tyler Bray is not a statue.

CarlChilders writes:

Sometimes the little things hang me up. How could a 177 game streak be ended if UT has never lost when scoring 40? That would date back to around '97 - '98. Anyone know what streak was snapped at 177?

Clarkrm0706 writes:

in response to volinlm:

Tyler Bray has good skills. I recall that Peyton never ran around much..and he was criticized for having "happy feet" in the pocket. I would say his feet are pretty happy right now! Bray will be fine. He may not have the " cerebral" part of the game down yet, but he will get better. I hope he stays around for another year.

I have criticized Brays mental errors and usually get snapped at but I think people are looking at it the wrong way. He has talent, the mental area can be corrected.
The final 3 plays against GA, his line did faulter some but that is when a qb throws it away or takes the sack. I think that is very fixable.

VolFolks writes:

in response to CarlChilders:

Sometimes the little things hang me up. How could a 177 game streak be ended if UT has never lost when scoring 40? That would date back to around '97 - '98. Anyone know what streak was snapped at 177?

Scored 40+ points 177 times in UT history. Never had lost one until Saturday against UGa when we scored 44 and still lost.

ConcernedaboutUT writes:

Tennessee has scored over 40 points in 177 games (now, 178) in our history. It is the first time we have lost.

CarlChilders writes:

in response to VolFolks:

Scored 40+ points 177 times in UT history. Never had lost one until Saturday against UGa when we scored 44 and still lost.

Thank you volfolks.

GreerVol22 writes:

Bray doesn't have it between the ears and has half the mobility Manning had. He'll never see a down in the NFL. Hunter was running great routes with NFL speed and Bray couldn't keep up. Those are everyday B&B at the next level...inexcusable pressure or no pressure.

CCLC writes:

in response to DavidB:

100% sure Patterson is not declaring this year because he is only a sophomore.

I think Bray will be here next year because he does have to improve before going Pro.

Hunter will declare this year because he has to protect his ACL. If he stays another year he could lose millions.

I don't think Patterson hangs around,he can leave after this season. Cam Newton only played one year of D-1 ball. Hunter probably the best WR in the leaque should go and will. Rehab that knee and go pro and make some cash before another injury. Bray doesn't have it between the ears. Jeff George type qb. Great arm and ? Maybe a 4 rounder project quarterback.

Big_Orange_Aide writes:

in response to UTistheOLEMISSoftheEAST:

Says the one who told us ut would "hang" 100 in the first two games and "hang" 40 on them Gators. Will take at least 2 games to "hang" 40 on UF.

Keep up the good work.

MD simply roots for the team he or she loves no matter the situation; MD's posts are positive and he or she shows support for the team he or she has rooted for for years. I guess he or she wears the colors no matter how down we are because he or she knows we won't be down forever. I also think your analysis is wrong about UT being the Ole Miss of the east. In our storied history we have won many SEC championships and two National Championships. We hung with the number five team in the nation; no matter the outcome of the rest of the games I will continue to support the team I love through good times and bad.

ajwlfw#574737 writes:

in response to VolinCalif:

I've said it before. I think the real trouble with Bray is simply lack of experience. Even as a Jr. he has not played in games where he faced trouble like he is facing now. He'll learn and he has talent. What an arm just, needs to learn when to hold up a little and be sure to hit the receivers or keep it out of play.

I agree, Bray is still a relatively inexperienced QB. He has the equivalent of just over 1 year of game experience. He really hasn't had time to grow. The 4th quarter of the Georgia game was a new experience for him- not unlike the 4th quarter of the 1994 Alabama game for Peyton Manning. I'm not making excuses for Tyler Bray. When the situation comes up again, my expectation is that he will get the job done.

ftblcoachc writes:

in response to rockypop:

For all you posters who think Bray, Patterson and Hunter are headed to the NFL after this season - get real. While I'll admit there's a chance, I will also say that history is against them. Bray and Hunter have yet to play a full season (except, maybe for this one). Patterson is playing his first D1 season this year. None of these guys have shown they can compete favorably against big time competition.

Look at Heath Shuler, who was considered a sure lock to be an NFL star after coming out as a Junior, but ended up a bust. Vince Young came out as a Junior and was a bust.

Sure, these guys can declare, but they would all be fools to do so. They need to stay and prove they are who they say they are. And, that particularly applies to Bray. He hasn't done jack, except beat D2 competition. Sure, the guy has all the tools, but he has yet to prove he can perform at the next level against quality competition.

Now I realize that all of them have people in their ears. But, if they listen, they're all going to fail. Including the people in their ears.

You must not have seen Bryce Brown getting carries last night for the Eagles. If he can do it with the college career he had (or lack therof), anyone can.

ajwlfw#574737 writes:

"Against Georgia, UT linebacker A.J. Johnson scored his third touchdown this season out of the Wildcat package while running backs Marlin Lane and Devrin Young have yet to score a rushing touchdown."

Wildcat package- give me a break. The way we lined that formation up, it's the singlewing like Johnny Majors ran out of in the mid-1950's. Johnson even wears Johnny's #45. The play Johnson ran is the classic singlewing off tackle play. If Johnson can throw a decent pass let him fling one. Johnny Majors would be proud!

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