Jordan McRae, Jarnell Stokes apply for evaluation from NBA Undergraduate Advisory Committee

Report used to assess stock for NBA draft

Tennessee guard Trae Golden, forward Jarnell Stokes and guard Jordan McRae, left to right, answer questions from the media following a practice session before the start of the 2013 SEC Men's Basketball Tournament at Bridgestone Arena in Nashville Wednesday, March 13, 2013. Tennessee will play the winner of the Mississippi State and South Carolina Game which takes place Wednesday evening. (ADAM BRIMER/NEWS SENTINEL)

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Tennessee guard Trae Golden, forward Jarnell Stokes and guard Jordan McRae, left to right, answer questions from the media following a practice session before the start of the 2013 SEC Men's Basketball Tournament at Bridgestone Arena in Nashville Wednesday, March 13, 2013. Tennessee will play the winner of the Mississippi State and South Carolina Game which takes place Wednesday evening. (ADAM BRIMER/NEWS SENTINEL)

When the NBA Undergraduate Advisory Committee begins assessing evaluation requests from college basketball players across the country Wednesday, Tennessee’s Jordan McRae and Jarnell Stokes will be among the applicants.

Tennessee coach Cuonzo Martin told the News Sentinel on Monday that both McRae, a junior, and Stokes, a sophomore, applied for reports from the committee. The request is not a declaration of one’s intention to enter the draft early.

It is a chance to receive a formal evaluation from a committee comprised of league executives representing 20 teams and chaired by Stu Jackson, the NBA vice president of basketball operations. The group produces formal evaluations for any potential early entrant who requests one.

The reports are handed out on April 15.

The following day is the deadline for any previously announced early entrant to the draft to withdrawal. This is a moot point in the cases of McRae and Stokes, as neither is expected to declare before that date.

The date that matters most is April 28: the NBA’s deadline to declare for the draft.

Fresh off a visit to NCAA Final Four weekend festivities in Atlanta to coach in a college all-star game, Martin was back in Knoxville on Monday for offseason team workouts at Pratt Pavilion. Martin said he will use this week conduct individual meetings with every player on the roster, including McRae and Stokes. As of Monday, only UT’s seniors have partaken in formal sit-down meetings with Martin since the season ended in the first round on of the National Invitation Tournament on March 20.

“(McRae and Stokes) have applied for (Undergraduate Advisory Committee evaluations) and talked to several people about it, so we should know here very shortly, but neither has made a decision,” Martin said.

According to Martin, Stokes is “still 50-50 on making a decision.” McRae, meanwhile, “Is evaluating things.”

Reports from the Undergraduate Advisory Committee attempt to paint a narrow picture of a player’s potential landing spot in the June 27 draft. It is the best unbiased information available to any potential early entrant.

But according to Martin, “Most guys already know where they stand because (the players) have people that call, people that talk to certain guys. There’s a faster way of finding out what you want to know. There are other ways of getting information to make a decision.”

So the wait is on.

Neither McRae nor Stokes is included in 2013 mock drafts on nbadraft.net or draftexpress.com, two widely used scouting websites. Nbadraft.net projects McRae being selected late in the second round of the 2014 draft, while Stokes does not appear. Draftexpress.com places McRae late in the 2014 first round and Stokes as an early second-round pick.

In three seasons at UT, McRae has increased his scoring from 1.8 points per game as a freshman to 8.6 as a sophomore and to 15.7 as a junior. Stokes started all 33 games as a sophomore, recording 22 double-doubles and averaging 13.1 points and 10.7 rebounds in SEC play.

Brendan F. Quinn covers Tennessee men’s basketball. Follow him at Twitter.com/BFQuinn.

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TNORANGEDOGDAD writes:

Neither one of them is close to being ready to play in the NBA.

thevoice writes:

Both need more on the resume, says Scotty Hopson.

eVOLved writes:

I think they're both ready, but I hope they stay because they'll be stacked next year with Maymon and the talented freshman coming in.

golfman1975 writes:

No way they are ready...

alfrizzle097 writes:

Going into the draft really isn't a question of if you're ready to play in the NBA. Its a question of if an NBA team is willing to bet that in a couple years you will be.

Of course, playing time is a huge factor. Harris may have been out of the NBA after his first contract if he hadn't gotten traded to the Magic. Now it looks like he'll be a 10+ year player. Wayne Chism was probably a better player when he left UT than Harris was, but teams aren't drafting you to be good as a rookie.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to alfrizzle097:

Going into the draft really isn't a question of if you're ready to play in the NBA. Its a question of if an NBA team is willing to bet that in a couple years you will be.

Of course, playing time is a huge factor. Harris may have been out of the NBA after his first contract if he hadn't gotten traded to the Magic. Now it looks like he'll be a 10+ year player. Wayne Chism was probably a better player when he left UT than Harris was, but teams aren't drafting you to be good as a rookie.

Good post. I agree that the NBA drafts as much on potential as it does proven production, but that goes only so far if a guy isn't a seven-footer. There are a hundred guys in the NBA the size, etc., of McRae and Stokes. I think it was big that Harris got traded for the increased playing time. He has surely picked up his scoring since going to the Magic. The biggest beef his coach in Milwaukee, Scott Skiles, had about him was that he didn't rebound nearly as well as Skiles thought he should have. I took that as somewhat of a bad sign, since rebounding is as much about "want-to" as anything else. I don't know how much he might have improved in that area, but my thought is he will probably have to clean the glass at a high level if he expects to be in the league for the long haul, since he probably won't lead any good team in scoring. I still think it is a shame that Chism didn't get a better look in the NBA.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

How delusional must Stokes be?? Does he not hear constructive criticism from CCM and other close associates??

reidtownriverrat writes:

How can you be one and done in the NIT if you have two players ready for the NBA? Thats not a big step thats a giant leap.

volnsc writes:

in response to reidtownriverrat:

How can you be one and done in the NIT if you have two players ready for the NBA? Thats not a big step thats a giant leap.

Blunt, but well said. These boys will be sorry they left, IMO, if they elect to do so. Both are great kids and I really wish success for them but another year will get them more money and a higher place in the draft.

kevin151 writes:

Stokes can't create a shot in the SEC, yeah he is ready for the NBA.

orangecountyvols writes:

Actually, the NBA advisory committee only needs to look at films of the last few games.

That will tell them everything they need to know.

Watching the game between Michigan and Louisville will reveal ( maybe ) the recipe necessary for players to perform at the highest level.

That's what would be great for not only Stokes and McRae but the Vols team as a whole. Come back next year dedicated to succeed each and every game and enjoy good things happening at this time of year.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to orangecountyvols:

Actually, the NBA advisory committee only needs to look at films of the last few games.

That will tell them everything they need to know.

Watching the game between Michigan and Louisville will reveal ( maybe ) the recipe necessary for players to perform at the highest level.

That's what would be great for not only Stokes and McRae but the Vols team as a whole. Come back next year dedicated to succeed each and every game and enjoy good things happening at this time of year.

Good post, this may indeed help them in deciding to come back and tweak some things..All may not be lost..GBO!!

jjk writes:

They're both on crack if they think they're ready for the NBA. They need to wake up from their fantasies and work on their games to help get the Vols into the Dance next year, and maybe contend for an SEC championship.

jjk writes:

in response to thevoice:

Both need more on the resume, says Scotty Hopson.

They should both talk to Hopson and ask how the decision to leave early is working out for him. The only things he can tell them are where the best places to eat and where the cutest women hang out in Turkey.

dvols writes:

I hope they both get the chance to play pro ball..

In them mean time, boys get your degrees!!!!

You have a long time to "get Paid"

SevenT writes:

Bye Bye

SummittsCourt writes:

It's worth getting evaluated at this point, but my hope is they will both be back next season. If so, it could be special!

tovolny writes:

Somebody needs to sit these guys down and look them straight in the eye and tell them exactly how things are. CCM has already done that, I'm sure, but this panel may be the answer. Some advice from an independent, true, expert would be even better. My opinion is that, both guys need more time in the college ranks. McRae may be more ready of the two, but Stokes probably has more NBA potential hanging on his decision. From a selfish standpoint, I sure hope they both stay. UT could be a great team away and at home, and I would expect them to start the season ranked in the top 25. A famous basketball coach was overheard saying that the secret to a winning basketball team was depth at the post and consistent guard play. I have heard this over and over all my life. I have found it to be true but hard to do.

murrayvol writes:

Best thing about the NBA evaluation is that it's an honest evaluation. If a player doesn't project in the 1st round ( which is the only one that matters), he won't be drafted in the 1st round.

You can be a helluva basketball player and still not be NBA material. There's only about 350 of these guys in the world.

Fryinpansvols writes:

in response to eVOLved:

I think they're both ready, but I hope they stay because they'll be stacked next year with Maymon and the talented freshman coming in.

Not hardly. Stokes needs to be a more consistent player that averages a Double-Double and work on creating his own shot. McRae wasn't even a starter at the begining of this past season. Also, McRae is also too inconsistent and needs to work on his overall game. GBO!

sly_stone99#434111 writes:

They use the evaluation more than just looking towards where they land in the draft. They use it just as it is intended, an evaluation of their game and what they need to work on over the summer to get themselves into the 1st round the next season. Nothing wrong with using this evaluation.

AlpharettaVol writes:

I'm watching Michigan-Louisville and we don't have one player who could even make the end of the bench for either of these teams. Such speed, hustle and quickness is light years ahead of our guys. I hope they get better next year but any talk about the NBA right now is ridiculous.

flatrock writes:

McRae is in need of more consistency from the arc- and more strength. Stokes is a Pro Bowl tight end waiting to happen- hope someone inside his circle has the gonads to tell him.

underthehill writes:

The evaluation is an excellent idea..it will give both a welcome to the real world..neither is close to ready although Stokes may get a decent report based on his potential..but definitely not first round..

alfrizzle097 writes:

Just a reminder, they have not declared. They are getting an evaluation. It would be stupid to pass up information that could help them in their careers.

HtownVol writes:

I have said this for a year now. No way they are gonna make it right now.

McRae is not a good ball handler at all. His cross-over is the worst I have ever seen, it can be seen coming from the day before. He needs so much work on his handle and his strength. If he is a 2 guard in the NBA can you imagine Lebron switching on him and just abusing him. There is only one player in terms of body type to compare Jordan to, Rip Hamilton. Rip used to be a great player but he is falling apart now. With a body that small he better be great at something. For Rip it is the mid-range jumper. Jordan can be great at that but he has a long way to go. He is far too inconsistant.

For Jarnell, Size is his biggest issue but that cant change. He can only play PF in the NBA and PF have to have a mid range game. Jarnell has nothing close to a mid range shot. At his size he will not bew backing down too many players because there will be a Center waiting for him and we all know what happens when Stokes gets doubled or has a long player on him. The only chance he has is to develope a consistant 10-15 ' game. And that wont happen before the draft.

Not only for the fan side of me but I want these guys to come back to UT for themselves. I do not want them to make the mistake Hopson made. Please come back and win the SEC and be a championship contender.

GO VOLS

bigdisbig writes:

in response to AlpharettaVol:

I'm watching Michigan-Louisville and we don't have one player who could even make the end of the bench for either of these teams. Such speed, hustle and quickness is light years ahead of our guys. I hope they get better next year but any talk about the NBA right now is ridiculous.

Good post. The difference is in coaching. Martin doesn't expect as much out of the players as great coaches do evidently. This has been evident in many games. The Vols play up to the competition and down to teams they should beat. Its all about desire to win and motivation.

orangecountyvols writes:

in response to HtownVol:

I have said this for a year now. No way they are gonna make it right now.

McRae is not a good ball handler at all. His cross-over is the worst I have ever seen, it can be seen coming from the day before. He needs so much work on his handle and his strength. If he is a 2 guard in the NBA can you imagine Lebron switching on him and just abusing him. There is only one player in terms of body type to compare Jordan to, Rip Hamilton. Rip used to be a great player but he is falling apart now. With a body that small he better be great at something. For Rip it is the mid-range jumper. Jordan can be great at that but he has a long way to go. He is far too inconsistant.

For Jarnell, Size is his biggest issue but that cant change. He can only play PF in the NBA and PF have to have a mid range game. Jarnell has nothing close to a mid range shot. At his size he will not bew backing down too many players because there will be a Center waiting for him and we all know what happens when Stokes gets doubled or has a long player on him. The only chance he has is to develope a consistant 10-15 ' game. And that wont happen before the draft.

Not only for the fan side of me but I want these guys to come back to UT for themselves. I do not want them to make the mistake Hopson made. Please come back and win the SEC and be a championship contender.

GO VOLS

H town,

Well said. Like we said earlier, check out the Michigan - Louisville game. That's what you want from the Vols, which includes Stokes and McRae. Notice the passion and execution from both teams.......the accuracy, even in the Big Game by both teams with their 3 point shooting, drives to the basket, determined fight for each rebound, pressure packed free throw shooters, etc.

Bottom line, we have to have those things.......plus, and the biggest of all.....
talent.

Cuonzo may be a good coach with his syle, but the majority of the teams who won this past season all had coaches who had the drive and excitement on the sideline. Those who weren't afraid to pick up a T if necessary..........if it helped the team. That's all I'd like to see from the Vols and coaches.........that fire, execution, and intelligent play. That's all !

shoelessvol#236864 writes:

Neither of these players are ready for the NBA!! Anyone giving them advice to the contrary is a moron! Stokes does not have the 10-15 jump shot that he would have to have to compete. McRae need to work at his consistency. Another year and the draft will still be available to them both! To many leave early and leave empty handed or in Europe.

vol98champ writes:

Hope these guys have enough sense to listen to these posts and what has to be low level expectations from the evaluations. Tens of thousands of guys would love to have the college opportunity that is sitting there just waiting for them to accept.

Voloyalty writes:

No harm, no foul. Its not a bad decision to be evaluated and at least get your name out there. Obviously both players are far from being ready to make the jump to the NBA. I honestely don't think Stokes will be ready until after his Senior year. He has a lot of work to do on the offensive side of the ball. Can you imagine Stokes guarding the likes of Blake Griffin or Zach Randolph? He is simply not ready. Test the waters and then come back to work on your game.

rbwtn writes:

Clearly these guys are not even close to being ready for the NBA. That said, I think it's more and more a Money thing now. today Kids are basically using College to get known then skip for the Money. Now you can't blame them but the real Pros finish their education before making the choice if they are honest with themselves. In the Future I wouldn't be surprised if Colleges have contracts and players would get paid. Frankly most kids are just that kids and could care less about an education until it's all over then they wish they had finished college. Being noticed and the Limelight is fun but it's not everything in life.

laraccoon writes:

Wow , there are more draft analysts on this board then in the entire NBA . I guess all they need to do is read these threads to know if their ready or not .

GunsUp02 writes:

Welcome to the D league guys!..#scottyhopson

jimr07 writes:

in response to laraccoon:

Wow , there are more draft analysts on this board then in the entire NBA . I guess all they need to do is read these threads to know if their ready or not .

Well said. I have always said..if a UT coach wants to be successful.. They need to check here

crappieking writes:

in response to SevenT:

Bye Bye

So says troll, seven teeth.

PHAT_VOL writes:

One thing no one mentions is Stokes cant get off the floor. I would like to know what his vertical jump is. And he's slow getting off the floor. Also he is only nineteen and as said before he is not gonna back anyone under the basket in the NBA.
McRae is just to inconsitant. His ball handling is weak and he dosent have an NBA body.
Also i would like to see a foul shot shooting contest between Stokes and that Irish guy whats his name O'Neal.

I wish them the best in what ever decision they make.

GO VOLS!!

JSmith525 writes:

in response to SevenT:

Bye Bye

Feb 16, 2013 UT 88 - UK 58, that's still stinging, eh!

samvol writes:

before Stokes came to UT he was a lottery pick,now he's not even on the draft board, UT is killing his chances at the next level, this team has hurt him dearly. JMO

chipmurphy461 writes:

Stokes & McRae you're not ready! Take what they tell you need to work on and work on it, then reevaluate things next year.

antonio14313 writes:

i'll be selfish now and say that both guys should stay at UT. ;) go vols!

t

mocsandvolsfan writes:

Enjoy your youth. Play ball hard. Study up! "Don't worry about tomorrow today has enough trouble."

mocsandvolsfan writes:

Even better..."trust in the Lord with all your heart...He'll direct your path"

I left some of it out. but it's great advice.

brod writes:

unless they want to play in greece or turkey they shouldn't go pro.

licknpromise777#651578 writes:

in response to flatrock:

McRae is in need of more consistency from the arc- and more strength. Stokes is a Pro Bowl tight end waiting to happen- hope someone inside his circle has the gonads to tell him.

Totally right about McRae..NBA guards knock down 3 pointers like there layups and they do it game in and game out at close to a 39% rate..McRae struggling with back to back games shooting 2 for 14 is a joke in the NBA..If he leaves now he's most certainly headed for NBA Europe

licknpromise777#651578 writes:

in response to AlpharettaVol:

I'm watching Michigan-Louisville and we don't have one player who could even make the end of the bench for either of these teams. Such speed, hustle and quickness is light years ahead of our guys. I hope they get better next year but any talk about the NBA right now is ridiculous.

Got that right!!!Definetly no Trey Burkes or Sivas on this team..Defense aside;the most noticeable difference is those teams don't come out starting any game shooting 3 for 11..They also don't have those 7 minute shooting droughts that killed us so many times last year. When a Michigan player pulls up for an open 15 footer you know it's going in..Also on offense Petino does this novel thing called running set plays which seems to escape CCM especially coming out of a time out

volfan2002 writes:

They both can play in a foreign country neither will play in the NBA next season regardless of their decision.

antonio14313 writes:

in response to AlpharettaVol:

I'm watching Michigan-Louisville and we don't have one player who could even make the end of the bench for either of these teams. Such speed, hustle and quickness is light years ahead of our guys. I hope they get better next year but any talk about the NBA right now is ridiculous.

that's why our Vols play more of a half court offense (and defense too really, with the lack of the full court press). coach martin knows what he's doing. go vols!

t

GerryOP writes:

in response to laraccoon:

Wow , there are more draft analysts on this board then in the entire NBA . I guess all they need to do is read these threads to know if their ready or not .

I'm with you 'Coon. I'm always impressed with the talent on this board. Whether it be high school talent evaluation, recruit selection, practice techniques, starter choice, on-field play calling, or whatever ... the experts are all on here. It really makes you wonder why these silly coaches get paid so much. Everything the team needs is on here ... and free!

underthehill writes:

in response to licknpromise777#651578:

Got that right!!!Definetly no Trey Burkes or Sivas on this team..Defense aside;the most noticeable difference is those teams don't come out starting any game shooting 3 for 11..They also don't have those 7 minute shooting droughts that killed us so many times last year. When a Michigan player pulls up for an open 15 footer you know it's going in..Also on offense Petino does this novel thing called running set plays which seems to escape CCM especially coming out of a time out

Sivas was the only Sr on the floor for either team starting the game..the youth of Mich is mind boggling ..at one point they had 5 freshmen on the floor..and Louisville has 4 starters back..even if Stokes and McRae come back ..Maymon is 100%..and Hubbs is the real deal..UT does not currently have the guard play to be in a class with the top teams in college basketball..it is not just Mich and Louisville..the majority of top teams in the NCAA tourney had a lot of freshmen, sophs, & juniors..the overall talent is amazing ..they can't all go to the NBA..

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