Next three games could be chance to boost UT's RPI, tournament resume

Wichita State's Tekele Cotton, center, tries to block the shot of Tennessee's Robert Hubbs III in the first half at Intrust Bank Arena in Wichita, Kan., Saturday, Dec. 14, 2013. Wichita State defeated Tennessee, 70-61. (Travis Heying/Wichita Eagle/MCT)

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Wichita State's Tekele Cotton, center, tries to block the shot of Tennessee's Robert Hubbs III in the first half at Intrust Bank Arena in Wichita, Kan., Saturday, Dec. 14, 2013. Wichita State defeated Tennessee, 70-61. (Travis Heying/Wichita Eagle/MCT)

First, a disclaimer: This college basketball season is still young, and the Tennessee men’s basketball team knows that. If you’re looking for panic, you won’t find it here.

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Columbo writes:

"This season is still young, and the Tennessee men's basketball team knows that".
Maybe this is the problem. For the past two seasons we have had the attitude that the season is young while we continue to lose, and just shrug it off. I'm afraid that this season will play out like the previous two; with an NIT flame-out in the first or second round. Hey, when does baseball season start?

NewMarketVol writes:

If he doesn't get it done this year with all them talent he has I say let's cut bait and hire Bruce back.He will be available after August!

wilk58 writes:

It is amazing how this Dec is so similar to the last two.

westknoxrepub writes:

Are we really dumb enough to believe we're going to beat NC State or Virginia with this lummox as our coach?

Sauce writes:

Let me get this straight: We all agree that in Coach Martin's third season the primary goal is to be one of the best 68 teams in the country??? If Hart needs a list of coaches to hire after we miss the tournament again just look at all the mid-major schools that have outcoached Martin the last three years.

johndavid writes:

First , remember this is the same coach who gave many or Mcrae's minutes to Mcbee for 2 yrs. Mcrae only became a starter mid last year.

The scoring needs to pick up. Stokes and Maymon may need to have less possessions taking the first shot and focus on rebounding better shooters misses against good inside defense.

I'm pleased with the 3 freshman for now. Should be solid players for next 4 yrs. Better get a big time scorer to replace Mcrae or these low point totals may be worse next year unless we are running a different offense. I hope Yemi really needed to go because we could use him.

johndavid writes:

Would love to know why one RPI is different than others. I thought is was a formula of straight wins and losses taking into account your opponents W/L and their opponents W/L.

Do they figure strength of schedule one opponent at a time combined with the result for that opponent or do they just take W/L record and plug it into an overall strength of schedule for all opponents and their opponents? Would make a big difference. Would play a major factor in scheduling if they combine strength of schedule into one number before they figure in wins and losses. Playing a really bad team or a really good team would impact all your other results even if you beat them by 50 or loss by 50.

Does margin of victory count at all?

IF not , playing a really bad team does little good and playing good teams close like Sat. does little good except for balancing out strength of schedule if it is lumped into one number at some point in the equation.

Would love to know the exact formula?

johndavid writes:

Thanks to internet have answered some of my questions.

No margin of victory and RPI seems to lump all
strength of shedule into one number before inserting wins and losses into the formula. So you really never get an exact rating for one game to plug into the formula. Home wins count as .6 of a win and road wins count as 1.4. Home losses count as 1.4 loss and road losses only count .6 of a loss when factoring SOS FOR your team only. It does not apply to opponents SOS.
Beating teams on neutral court is one win or 1.0 loss. Beating bad teams on the road is almost twice as good but you don't sell much popcorn!

TommyJack writes:

This team could not score 90 points if locked in the gym all night.

murrayvol writes:

in response to Columbo:

"This season is still young, and the Tennessee men's basketball team knows that".
Maybe this is the problem. For the past two seasons we have had the attitude that the season is young while we continue to lose, and just shrug it off. I'm afraid that this season will play out like the previous two; with an NIT flame-out in the first or second round. Hey, when does baseball season start?

Last year there was absolutely no sense of urgency in the "early season". How do you even lose a freakin' game by 37-36?? That's pure high school.

Games in December matter. And don't take my word for it. Ask the selection committee. Does this team get it? We'll know in short order.

ut_man1#1427524 writes:

I hope Mr. Martin can fine employment next spring after he is fired from UT! It is coming!

wigmeister writes:

I have said it before and I will say it again, in this whole nation, why is it that our basketball program cannot find pure shooters. Last pure shooter was Lofton. McRae is close. Good player. I do hate CCM's basketball plan. It is so boring to watch. Go Lady Vols!!!!!

Bourbon-please writes:

Martin is Kevin O'neal all over again, he can't coach, his in game coaching is horrendous, and his style is like watching paint dry (or Big 10 football) boring!!!! Bring back BRUCE!!

RoadTrip writes:

in response to TommyJack:

This team could not score 90 points if locked in the gym all night.

Boom!

Zo is as lost as the players when it comes to countering the opposition. Another exercise in futility with another HC of a UT men's team.

no1djkb#278630 writes:

I was wrong. This coach needs to go if he does not get it together. He is not a good coach right now

RoadTrip writes:

What I really want to see from UT and KNS columnists is the truth. Let's get rid of the false hype and half truths and what ifs just to fill space in the paper and in the seats at the games. It has happened in football for 6 years. It is now 3 years for basketball. This team will need to win at least 22-23 games to get in the tourney. Not happening.

It has been going on for years in track/field as well as for baseball. Enough already. Call it the way it is. That will put the most pressure on the UTAD and BOT to get it fixed now than anything. Fans will stop going and supporting the programs. It will be amazing how fast Bama Dave starts fixing things if that happens.

I do believe Butch Jones and Dave Serrano are the right guys for the jobs. However, even they need to improve things greatly in 2014 because they messed up a bunch as game coaches. But Clark and Martin - nah. Move on.

bfaj34#1436246 writes:

I still don't think that the best team was on the floor for the entire game. Davis is better than Maymon and Stokes and can stretch the defense and we were better with him and Thompson on the floor. When they pressed, we never adjusted. Why is Reese and Edwards and Moore not playing more? Defense? Toughness? I didn't see it from the others either.

underthehill writes:

I had hoped Martin would be the long term coach of the Vols..I don't think it will happen..it appears the current game has passed him by..up to date coaches play multiple defenses..to fail to do so simply gives your opponent an edge you cannot afford to give away..just one sample of demonstrated lack of game coaching and preparation...

ben.frederickson#1436552 writes:

FWIW, I talked with college hoops maven Ken Pomeroy this afternoon, and asked him how many SEC W's he thinks the Vols need to pick up in order to make the tournament. His response: "12 for sure. 11 would be good enough if UT sweeps the rest of the non-conference slate."

johnlg00 writes:

in response to ben.frederickson#1436552:

FWIW, I talked with college hoops maven Ken Pomeroy this afternoon, and asked him how many SEC W's he thinks the Vols need to pick up in order to make the tournament. His response: "12 for sure. 11 would be good enough if UT sweeps the rest of the non-conference slate."

Very interesting! The thing is, even if the Vols DO sweep the rest of non-conference slate AND win 12 SEC games, their RPI could still be too low to get in unless they win about three out of the five games they have--I think; not looking at the schedule right now--with UK, UF, and Mizzou. That is how bad the rest of the SEC is this year and how thin the Vols' margin for error is, IMHO. That could well show how harmful those losses to UTEP and WSU were. And how bad would that loss to WSU look if the Vols lose to Bama? Ahhh, too early to worry about all that...that way lies madness!

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