David Climer: Vols' Butch Jones faces challenge with SEC recruiting

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Tennessee athletic director Dave Hart, left, and football coach Butch Jones on the plane during the Football Signing Day Celebration Tour.

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Donald Page/Tennessee Athletics Tennessee athletic director Dave Hart, left, and football coach Butch Jones on the plane during the Football Signing Day Celebration Tour.

His first Southeastern Conference game is more than seven months away, but Butch Jones already has gotten a crash course in life in college football’s fast lane.

By going head-to-head with various SEC programs in pursuit of talented recruits for Tennessee, Jones got a dose of the challenge that lies ahead.

“Everything is accelerated in the SEC,” he said. “Every day, you have to bring your ‘A’ game, no matter what you’re doing. But it’s invigorating. As a competitor, you want to go up against the best each and every day.”

It was a rush job. Jones was hired at UT on Dec. 7. Because of the NCAA-mandated “dead periods” on the calendar, Jones had only 31 permissible recruiting days before national signing day last Wednesday.

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tomatosoup writes:

Anyone know if the TE that signed with us and used to play volley ball will ever play volley ball for UT? I bet this dude has a ton of athleticism and nice hands. Great that he'll be on the football team but I sure hope to see him on the volley ball cout too!!!! Go Vols!

Olddogsrule writes:

Have no idea if he'll play VB. One of the comments about him was that he could 'jump out of the gym'. His dad was an Olympic Water Polo player. Don't care what you say about that, it takes a special kind of athlete to make the Olympics in any sport. (Onles it's da Bobsleddin' mon!:) Woody stopped playing football to go volleyball, than decided he liked football, so played that in college. Doesn't have enough years of highlight reels for the recruiting sites to list him as anything but their lowest rank, not because of his skill and natural abilities.

Watch this.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/foo...

Olddogsrule writes:

For those who aren't subscribed to rivals, here's Woody's jr college highlight reel.

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1505770/#...

What impresses me is he keeps his eye on the ball when he knows he's gonna take a lick, and pushes defenders down the field in pass an rush blocking situations. He'll need to get used to SEC though.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to Olddogsrule:

Have no idea if he'll play VB. One of the comments about him was that he could 'jump out of the gym'. His dad was an Olympic Water Polo player. Don't care what you say about that, it takes a special kind of athlete to make the Olympics in any sport. (Onles it's da Bobsleddin' mon!:) Woody stopped playing football to go volleyball, than decided he liked football, so played that in college. Doesn't have enough years of highlight reels for the recruiting sites to list him as anything but their lowest rank, not because of his skill and natural abilities.

Watch this.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/foo...

UT doesn't have a men's volleyball team. In fact, I don't think they have EVER had an official men's team. However, I agree with you that great athleticism is quite transferable from one sport to another. From what I have read about this guy, he is 6'6", 260, and is pretty fast for that size. As a volleyball player, he likely is not only a great leaper but has quick feet and hands. None of this means he can play big-time football worth a lick, but I can think of at least two outstanding NFL tight-ends who didn't play college football either. If this guy can play, everybody will say what a genius Jones was for thinking out of the box. If he flops, the only downside is not getting the most out of a scholarship for a year or two. That may happen with another guy or two anyway, since it happens to almost every team from time to time. Everybody is mostly rolling the dice on how well even the highest-rated recruits will do on a real college team.

UTvols33 writes:

in response to notfunanymore:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

Thanks for repeating yourself. I didn't hear you the first 12 times you said it.

VolGrad writes:

Note to STAFF: You are NOT allowed to joke/ laugh/ catch your breath/ or even smile until you coach UT to an SEC championship.

Signed,
notfunanymore

PS: how dare you make jokes while on the plane in between venues! This is serious business!!!

tic... <place angry, red-faced avatar here>

westknoxrepub writes:

With academic standards in place where Vandy is getting guys in we can't. . .it may be a while before we're relevant again.

UTvols33 writes:

Go to this dude's account and check out his posts. All negative, not a single positive or supportive statement about UT. He hates on the basketball team, too. All his rederick is the same. He even hates on Fulmer. He hates this team so much but yet he says he bought tickets to 5 games! Check it out, let's get this bozo out of here!

notfunanymore writes: 2/11

No jokes or laughs? No talks of vacations? Maybe he finally realizes that 11 teams in the SEC recruited better than UT. Maybe this will be another "year zero"?

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Once again, UT more/less finished last in recruiting in the SEC, and these clowns are finding a joke in everything. All is well and good with the football program, so keep laughing it up coaches. We will see how comical another 5-7 (more like 4-8) season is. 95% of UT fans are delusional.

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

After all their jokes/laughs and vacations are over, maybe these clowns will realize just how important recruiting is. It already seems as if everything is a joke to these coaches....not a good sign at all!

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Keep on believing all is okay and things will get better with the football program. Maybe one day, you and the rest of the 95% delusional Vol fans will get a clue.

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Jay Graham was not concerned about recruiting/signing a top notch running back, he was to worried about his podium performance in Nashville and Disney World vacation. Just another bunch of clown assistants. Get used to 4-8 and 5-7 seasons.

notfunanymore writes: 2/8

Let's see....UT more/less finished last in recruiting in the SEC. The football program is practically gone, BUT these clowns are worried/joking about their performance at the podium. Guarantee you Saban/staff were not worried about their podium performance, I bet they were already discussing future recruits. Bullsh%* like this is why UT is the laughing stock in college football. Do you remember all of Dooley's stupid quips and attempts to be comical? How funny is he now?

notfunanymore writes: 2/7

Blah..blah..blah. The football program is gone. Prepare yourself for 4-8, 5-7, and 6-6 seasons for years to come.

notfunanymore writes: 2/4

"Will be in the future"?? They are already pathetic. Wait three more years, and the women's b-ball team will be right there with the rest of them

notfunanymore writes: 2/2

After another 4-8 or 5-7 season, let's see what people are saying. 95% of UT fans are delusional.

VolGrad writes:

in response to westknoxrepub:

With academic standards in place where Vandy is getting guys in we can't. . .it may be a while before we're relevant again.

"...it may be a while..."

Yeah, it could be all of 9 months.

Orange_Beach writes:

in response to UTvols33:

Go to this dude's account and check out his posts. All negative, not a single positive or supportive statement about UT. He hates on the basketball team, too. All his rederick is the same. He even hates on Fulmer. He hates this team so much but yet he says he bought tickets to 5 games! Check it out, let's get this bozo out of here!

notfunanymore writes: 2/11

No jokes or laughs? No talks of vacations? Maybe he finally realizes that 11 teams in the SEC recruited better than UT. Maybe this will be another "year zero"?

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Once again, UT more/less finished last in recruiting in the SEC, and these clowns are finding a joke in everything. All is well and good with the football program, so keep laughing it up coaches. We will see how comical another 5-7 (more like 4-8) season is. 95% of UT fans are delusional.

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

After all their jokes/laughs and vacations are over, maybe these clowns will realize just how important recruiting is. It already seems as if everything is a joke to these coaches....not a good sign at all!

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Keep on believing all is okay and things will get better with the football program. Maybe one day, you and the rest of the 95% delusional Vol fans will get a clue.

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Jay Graham was not concerned about recruiting/signing a top notch running back, he was to worried about his podium performance in Nashville and Disney World vacation. Just another bunch of clown assistants. Get used to 4-8 and 5-7 seasons.

notfunanymore writes: 2/8

Let's see....UT more/less finished last in recruiting in the SEC. The football program is practically gone, BUT these clowns are worried/joking about their performance at the podium. Guarantee you Saban/staff were not worried about their podium performance, I bet they were already discussing future recruits. Bullsh%* like this is why UT is the laughing stock in college football. Do you remember all of Dooley's stupid quips and attempts to be comical? How funny is he now?

notfunanymore writes: 2/7

Blah..blah..blah. The football program is gone. Prepare yourself for 4-8, 5-7, and 6-6 seasons for years to come.

notfunanymore writes: 2/4

"Will be in the future"?? They are already pathetic. Wait three more years, and the women's b-ball team will be right there with the rest of them

notfunanymore writes: 2/2

After another 4-8 or 5-7 season, let's see what people are saying. 95% of UT fans are delusional.

I'll be glad to help you if you can tell me what "rederick" means.

ncvol11 writes:

in response to johnlg00:

UT doesn't have a men's volleyball team. In fact, I don't think they have EVER had an official men's team. However, I agree with you that great athleticism is quite transferable from one sport to another. From what I have read about this guy, he is 6'6", 260, and is pretty fast for that size. As a volleyball player, he likely is not only a great leaper but has quick feet and hands. None of this means he can play big-time football worth a lick, but I can think of at least two outstanding NFL tight-ends who didn't play college football either. If this guy can play, everybody will say what a genius Jones was for thinking out of the box. If he flops, the only downside is not getting the most out of a scholarship for a year or two. That may happen with another guy or two anyway, since it happens to almost every team from time to time. Everybody is mostly rolling the dice on how well even the highest-rated recruits will do on a real college team.

The big question that will be answered pretty quickly next year is can he block in the SEC and take a hit from an SEC linebacker or safety. This ain't the Junior College league.
What we really need is the track team to get good and cross recruit from it. Dickey and Majors both used that connection to our advantage. In fact for a time Chuck Rowe one of the best track coaches was the recruiting coordinator for the football team. He went on to be the Chairman of the bowl in Orlando, Fla.
(Capital One) I think.

gc_scvol writes:

in response to UTvols33:

Go to this dude's account and check out his posts. All negative, not a single positive or supportive statement about UT. He hates on the basketball team, too. All his rederick is the same. He even hates on Fulmer. He hates this team so much but yet he says he bought tickets to 5 games! Check it out, let's get this bozo out of here!

notfunanymore writes: 2/11

No jokes or laughs? No talks of vacations? Maybe he finally realizes that 11 teams in the SEC recruited better than UT. Maybe this will be another "year zero"?

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Once again, UT more/less finished last in recruiting in the SEC, and these clowns are finding a joke in everything. All is well and good with the football program, so keep laughing it up coaches. We will see how comical another 5-7 (more like 4-8) season is. 95% of UT fans are delusional.

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

After all their jokes/laughs and vacations are over, maybe these clowns will realize just how important recruiting is. It already seems as if everything is a joke to these coaches....not a good sign at all!

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Keep on believing all is okay and things will get better with the football program. Maybe one day, you and the rest of the 95% delusional Vol fans will get a clue.

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Jay Graham was not concerned about recruiting/signing a top notch running back, he was to worried about his podium performance in Nashville and Disney World vacation. Just another bunch of clown assistants. Get used to 4-8 and 5-7 seasons.

notfunanymore writes: 2/8

Let's see....UT more/less finished last in recruiting in the SEC. The football program is practically gone, BUT these clowns are worried/joking about their performance at the podium. Guarantee you Saban/staff were not worried about their podium performance, I bet they were already discussing future recruits. Bullsh%* like this is why UT is the laughing stock in college football. Do you remember all of Dooley's stupid quips and attempts to be comical? How funny is he now?

notfunanymore writes: 2/7

Blah..blah..blah. The football program is gone. Prepare yourself for 4-8, 5-7, and 6-6 seasons for years to come.

notfunanymore writes: 2/4

"Will be in the future"?? They are already pathetic. Wait three more years, and the women's b-ball team will be right there with the rest of them

notfunanymore writes: 2/2

After another 4-8 or 5-7 season, let's see what people are saying. 95% of UT fans are delusional.

Yet, KNS lets him continue his mindless babble. Only proves KNS doesn't care what is posted here as long as they have comments. This isn't a true VOLUNTEER site, it's just a place for KNS to constantly degrade UT Sports and pad their ego.

volthrunthru#658770 writes:

UT's class...which averages approximately 2.5 stars each...ranks WAAAAAYYYYYY down the line, in the SEC;

but many on these online sites act as if pointing out the class ranks far too low to be able to beat the big boys week-in-week-out,

which a Tennessee team must do, to win championships, is disloyal.

Dumb fans, mediocre recruiting, questionale coaches, a schedule so weak half the games are not even on regional TV, and 70,000 in a stadium designed for 100,000+ are not a recipe for a Top 10 national ranking. And getting your rear handed to you by teams which out-recruited you and are just as dedicated to discipline and winning as you, is an assurance of future mediocre-recruiting-at-best...

Tennfan4075 writes:

in response to UTvols33:

Go to this dude's account and check out his posts. All negative, not a single positive or supportive statement about UT. He hates on the basketball team, too. All his rederick is the same. He even hates on Fulmer. He hates this team so much but yet he says he bought tickets to 5 games! Check it out, let's get this bozo out of here!

notfunanymore writes: 2/11

No jokes or laughs? No talks of vacations? Maybe he finally realizes that 11 teams in the SEC recruited better than UT. Maybe this will be another "year zero"?

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Once again, UT more/less finished last in recruiting in the SEC, and these clowns are finding a joke in everything. All is well and good with the football program, so keep laughing it up coaches. We will see how comical another 5-7 (more like 4-8) season is. 95% of UT fans are delusional.

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

After all their jokes/laughs and vacations are over, maybe these clowns will realize just how important recruiting is. It already seems as if everything is a joke to these coaches....not a good sign at all!

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Keep on believing all is okay and things will get better with the football program. Maybe one day, you and the rest of the 95% delusional Vol fans will get a clue.

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Jay Graham was not concerned about recruiting/signing a top notch running back, he was to worried about his podium performance in Nashville and Disney World vacation. Just another bunch of clown assistants. Get used to 4-8 and 5-7 seasons.

notfunanymore writes: 2/8

Let's see....UT more/less finished last in recruiting in the SEC. The football program is practically gone, BUT these clowns are worried/joking about their performance at the podium. Guarantee you Saban/staff were not worried about their podium performance, I bet they were already discussing future recruits. Bullsh%* like this is why UT is the laughing stock in college football. Do you remember all of Dooley's stupid quips and attempts to be comical? How funny is he now?

notfunanymore writes: 2/7

Blah..blah..blah. The football program is gone. Prepare yourself for 4-8, 5-7, and 6-6 seasons for years to come.

notfunanymore writes: 2/4

"Will be in the future"?? They are already pathetic. Wait three more years, and the women's b-ball team will be right there with the rest of them

notfunanymore writes: 2/2

After another 4-8 or 5-7 season, let's see what people are saying. 95% of UT fans are delusional.

Maybe this dude is like many of us who have trouble finding anything about the FB program and now the BB program to be supportive and positive about, but just more vocal with his criticism. I also don't remember reading any criteria regarding someone must be positive and supportive to post on this site, or have you taken over complete responsibility for policing the site?

UTvols33 writes:

in response to Orange_Beach:

I'll be glad to help you if you can tell me what "rederick" means.

rhetoric.... sorry :)

UTvols33 writes:

in response to Tennfan4075:

Maybe this dude is like many of us who have trouble finding anything about the FB program and now the BB program to be supportive and positive about, but just more vocal with his criticism. I also don't remember reading any criteria regarding someone must be positive and supportive to post on this site, or have you taken over complete responsibility for policing the site?

I know times are tough and people are complaining and that's fine. There are many others that post logical complaints and they don't bother me, but this person cought my attention because he would post almost the exact same thing on almost every article. So I checked out the account and every comment is along the same lines. If he is a fan, surely he could find something positive. UT's offense was great this year and we had a chance in just about every game except Bama & Vandy. It's not like they got blown out by everyone. This team is not far from success, this guy should lighten up. I think he is doing this on purpose. Maybe he's a UF or UA fan, I don't know, I'll drop it. Just watch on the next article, you'll probably see "5-7 or 4-8" mixed in with "delusional." I don't think people are delusional for being optimistic and supporting their team, do you?

ModelMaker writes:

Butch Jones and company need to get that signature win (beat a team in the top twenty) next year before he will be able to recruit with the best. You have to prove to these kids that you can walk the walk (coach) to get these four and five star recruits. Most of these kids have never heard of Butch Jones. Its going to take some time to get Tennessee back to where they should be; but if he can compete well in all of his game's and can get that signature win it may be sooner than one might think. Butch Jones has shown me already that he has some good basic fundamentals that all great coaches have. I think he will do well. I am really looking foreward to watching them play next year.

Olddogsrule writes:

The recruiting services’ star rankings are flawed but better than nothing. They are pretty much entirely based on on-field results, physical stats, and witchcraft. Yet, using Rivals own numbers close to half (42%) of ranked athletes coming out of high school are busts. They either go home, transfer, flunk out, ride the bench, or get injured. I would think that Rivals, or any other major recruiting service could, and should do quite a bit better on some of the metrics. But they are batting just .580. For every 5 ranked recruits, 2 are busts. By Fulmer’s own admission, toward the end of his tenure he began to depend too much on the ranking services grading systems. And …..

http://www.postandcourier.com/article...

Star power does matter, in the larger sense, the more stars, now get this – on the field – and on the field and producing as stars, … there is no question about the All-Americans, Conference Championships, and National Championships they can produce.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootb...

So we have all these Div 1 BCS schools with katrillion dollar programs putting their W-L column and their fans putting their future feel good factor in the hands of businesses whose accuracy is pretty close to 3/5 right. Alabama has fewer busts. USC has had a lot. We Vols know what busts can do to a program (see Da’Rick Rogers and what his prima donna antics caused at Kentucky, and Palardy’s lack of production, and etc., etc.) What does it mean? Going by star power only gets the Power T on Tennessee's helment photoshopped into a Big Orange Machine Pistol. Since a coach obviously can’t completely depend on the services to inform him of who out there will succeed, he has to add his own criteria into the voodoo pot of recruiting criteria. He has to find ways cull out the wheat from the chaff of the highly ranked. CBJ and staff have their recipe.

For all you NegaVols, Negateers, boo birds, and all, calling yourselves the ‘true fans’ …
WE ALL PRETTY MUCH KNOW THIS STUFF!!! AND WE DO NOT HAVE TO BE TOLD OVER AND OVER OVER THAT IT COUNTS. WE KNOW IT! WE’VE ALWAYS KNOWN IT! Got it! Stop being a bore and add something to the conversation other than your typical cry baby antics. As far as recruiting goes, I’m sure lots of parents, relatives, and friends of recruits are doing everything they can to help evaluate the schools, communities, and fan base where they’re considering signing. What do you think your posts do to help them make a decision for Tennessee?

dragon18 writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

UT's class...which averages approximately 2.5 stars each...ranks WAAAAAYYYYYY down the line, in the SEC;

but many on these online sites act as if pointing out the class ranks far too low to be able to beat the big boys week-in-week-out,

which a Tennessee team must do, to win championships, is disloyal.

Dumb fans, mediocre recruiting, questionale coaches, a schedule so weak half the games are not even on regional TV, and 70,000 in a stadium designed for 100,000+ are not a recipe for a Top 10 national ranking. And getting your rear handed to you by teams which out-recruited you and are just as dedicated to discipline and winning as you, is an assurance of future mediocre-recruiting-at-best...

Truly this is one of the most assinine and inaccurate posts I have read in some time. I will start with the 2.5 star rating. The 24/7 COMPOSITE (meaning a blend of 5 major sites) has the Vols at 3.19 stars. Hardly the 2.5 stars that you report. As for attendance, here are the numbers:
Ga State- 87,821
Fla- 102,455
Akron- 81,719
Alababama- 102,455
Troy- 84,189
Missouri- 89,272
Kentucky- 81,841

This gives you an average attendance of 89,964. Your number is 30% off. Please fact check yourself A-hole.
I will grant you that Tennessee finished 10th in the SEC in recruiting, but it is not the gloom and doom that you point out. The one team that is continually being pointed to in our recruiting woes is Vanderbilt and they were ranked one spot higher in one poll because they signed 5 more players than UT. In the 24/7 Composite they were ranked 5 spots behind UT. What gets overlooked is that the quality of player Vanderbilt signed is much lower than UT. UT Composite stars 3.19, Vanderbilt is 3.03.

It's one thing to post inflammatory comments. It's altogether different to make things up and post them. You call the fans dumb, But to me the DUMBEST thing you can do is to post things that you just make up. You sir have no credibility and are a complete moron. I for one have had enough of your type of "fan" and I will from this point forward post the facts to refute your idiotic posts.

Fall_Creek_Vols writes:

DISCLAIMER: I'm about to repeat my long-standing beliefs. Those who intensely dislike repetition may want to stop reading this post now.

David Climer SUCKS as a writer. There is nothing new nor compelling in this, his latest "egg". No wonder the Tennessean is the state's worst excuse for a major paper...and it's getting worse.

gc_scvol writes:

in response to dragon18:

Truly this is one of the most assinine and inaccurate posts I have read in some time. I will start with the 2.5 star rating. The 24/7 COMPOSITE (meaning a blend of 5 major sites) has the Vols at 3.19 stars. Hardly the 2.5 stars that you report. As for attendance, here are the numbers:
Ga State- 87,821
Fla- 102,455
Akron- 81,719
Alababama- 102,455
Troy- 84,189
Missouri- 89,272
Kentucky- 81,841

This gives you an average attendance of 89,964. Your number is 30% off. Please fact check yourself A-hole.
I will grant you that Tennessee finished 10th in the SEC in recruiting, but it is not the gloom and doom that you point out. The one team that is continually being pointed to in our recruiting woes is Vanderbilt and they were ranked one spot higher in one poll because they signed 5 more players than UT. In the 24/7 Composite they were ranked 5 spots behind UT. What gets overlooked is that the quality of player Vanderbilt signed is much lower than UT. UT Composite stars 3.19, Vanderbilt is 3.03.

It's one thing to post inflammatory comments. It's altogether different to make things up and post them. You call the fans dumb, But to me the DUMBEST thing you can do is to post things that you just make up. You sir have no credibility and are a complete moron. I for one have had enough of your type of "fan" and I will from this point forward post the facts to refute your idiotic posts.

Dragon, Thanks for your post. You are factual in all respects. However you are handing out sandwiches in the cemetary, trying to get 6587ZERO to understand. He's just wanting attention and not really worthy of your time, or mine. Just "Suggest Removal".

dragon18 writes:

in response to gc_scvol:

Dragon, Thanks for your post. You are factual in all respects. However you are handing out sandwiches in the cemetary, trying to get 6587ZERO to understand. He's just wanting attention and not really worthy of your time, or mine. Just "Suggest Removal".

Yeah, I get that. But I get so frustrated sometimes with some of these guys. I also wonder if some of the others read that garbage and buy into it? I have high hopes for Jones and this staff and really don't want the train to be derailed before it leaves the station because of some vocal minority that can't even post proper facts.

Thanks, I just felt the need to rant for a moment LOL.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to dragon18:

Truly this is one of the most assinine and inaccurate posts I have read in some time. I will start with the 2.5 star rating. The 24/7 COMPOSITE (meaning a blend of 5 major sites) has the Vols at 3.19 stars. Hardly the 2.5 stars that you report. As for attendance, here are the numbers:
Ga State- 87,821
Fla- 102,455
Akron- 81,719
Alababama- 102,455
Troy- 84,189
Missouri- 89,272
Kentucky- 81,841

This gives you an average attendance of 89,964. Your number is 30% off. Please fact check yourself A-hole.
I will grant you that Tennessee finished 10th in the SEC in recruiting, but it is not the gloom and doom that you point out. The one team that is continually being pointed to in our recruiting woes is Vanderbilt and they were ranked one spot higher in one poll because they signed 5 more players than UT. In the 24/7 Composite they were ranked 5 spots behind UT. What gets overlooked is that the quality of player Vanderbilt signed is much lower than UT. UT Composite stars 3.19, Vanderbilt is 3.03.

It's one thing to post inflammatory comments. It's altogether different to make things up and post them. You call the fans dumb, But to me the DUMBEST thing you can do is to post things that you just make up. You sir have no credibility and are a complete moron. I for one have had enough of your type of "fan" and I will from this point forward post the facts to refute your idiotic posts.

Hi Dragon. My only contention with your post is the attendance #'s. They might be the # of tickets sold, but definitely NOT the actual attendance. Additionally...attendance includes the vendors, ushers, even the REF's!! Also...I was at all of those games....and I can assure you, the Troy, Mizzou, KY #'s are WAY inflated. No way there was much more than 70k fans in the stadium. FL and Bama were decently packed, and your #'s there might be about right.

But for those last 3 games....Neyland was lucky to be just over half full.

Olddogsrule writes:

in response to dragon18:

Yeah, I get that. But I get so frustrated sometimes with some of these guys. I also wonder if some of the others read that garbage and buy into it? I have high hopes for Jones and this staff and really don't want the train to be derailed before it leaves the station because of some vocal minority that can't even post proper facts.

Thanks, I just felt the need to rant for a moment LOL.

Hey, keep it up. I'm beginning to lean slightly toward the conspiricy theorists' beliefs that these guys are really fans of some other SEC team and their goal is to discredit and pull down the Volunteer athletic program any way they can, especially by causing potential recruits to choose elsewhere. As Franklin said about advising Von Bell to sign with Urban Myer, "It's a win. Vandy won't have to play against him". Saban talked up BAMA to Riley Ferguson and asked him to attend a QB camp at a cost of $1500 to his mother but didn't tell Riley they already had two other QB commitments. As soon as Riley got home Saban told him he already had those two other commitments and didn't want him. I think Saban just wanted his mother's $1500 ... UNTIL Riley committed to Tennessee, THEN Saban tried to get him to decommit and flip to the Tide. Do you think for one minute that Saban would have signed Riley come NSD? There is so much behind the scenes maneuvering it's barely imaginable.

dragon18 writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

Hi Dragon. My only contention with your post is the attendance #'s. They might be the # of tickets sold, but definitely NOT the actual attendance. Additionally...attendance includes the vendors, ushers, even the REF's!! Also...I was at all of those games....and I can assure you, the Troy, Mizzou, KY #'s are WAY inflated. No way there was much more than 70k fans in the stadium. FL and Bama were decently packed, and your #'s there might be about right.

But for those last 3 games....Neyland was lucky to be just over half full.

They are attendance numbers provided at UTsports.com. They were the only numbers I could find and they are not tickets sold. I can't verify the numbers but at least researched to get an official attendance figure from an official source. I should have sourced it in my post. I guess my biggest gripe comes from people that don't even know or research what they pass off as facts.

Thanks for the input though. We all know that the program is a shadow of what it was in the mid to late 90s and that the past 5 years in particular have been unbearable. I just don't think you make a negative a positive by creating more negative. And in the post that prompted my reply I truly mean CREATING because nothing he said was factual.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to dragon18:

They are attendance numbers provided at UTsports.com. They were the only numbers I could find and they are not tickets sold. I can't verify the numbers but at least researched to get an official attendance figure from an official source. I should have sourced it in my post. I guess my biggest gripe comes from people that don't even know or research what they pass off as facts.

Thanks for the input though. We all know that the program is a shadow of what it was in the mid to late 90s and that the past 5 years in particular have been unbearable. I just don't think you make a negative a positive by creating more negative. And in the post that prompted my reply I truly mean CREATING because nothing he said was factual.

Yeah, you pretty much blasted him on the other 2 points. Don't know where he got the 2.whatever average ranking from. Every recruiting site I visited had us at 3+.

Attendance is always fluffed up/padded by universities. They never want the bad press out there that folks aren't going to games. I would have loved to been a fly on the wall when Hart got the "actual #'s" reported to him ;) I'll bet his reaction wasn't pretty!

murrayvol writes:

in response to Orange_Beach:

I'll be glad to help you if you can tell me what "rederick" means.

Could be rhetoric.

FanNotSheep writes:

At the end of the day it will be the end of the day. Gosh I wish people would lose that phrase.

Anyway, it's just another non-article from Climer telling readers what we already know. But while we are on the subject, the success or failure of this staff will be determined by how they coach, inspire and game-plan. Vandy is proof that a great coach (and yes, in my opinion Franklin is one) can beat teams with better talent. Then you must, as Franklin did, follow that up with upgraded recruiting. It feeds on itself. Success builds layer upon layer once the foundation is in place. We have witnessed the opposite: failure feeding upon itself, beginning with not having discipline, losing great recruiters from your staff, taking your fans for granted, believing your own press clippings, then hiring the wrong coordinator, followed by hiring the wrong head coach(es), and culminating in the loss of relationships with players who leave the program, recruits who go elsewhere, high school coaches and fans who feel ignored and unappreciated.

The first thing you have to do is stop going downhill. Then after you level things out you have to start climbing. But the SEC is one steep hill.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to FanNotSheep:

At the end of the day it will be the end of the day. Gosh I wish people would lose that phrase.

Anyway, it's just another non-article from Climer telling readers what we already know. But while we are on the subject, the success or failure of this staff will be determined by how they coach, inspire and game-plan. Vandy is proof that a great coach (and yes, in my opinion Franklin is one) can beat teams with better talent. Then you must, as Franklin did, follow that up with upgraded recruiting. It feeds on itself. Success builds layer upon layer once the foundation is in place. We have witnessed the opposite: failure feeding upon itself, beginning with not having discipline, losing great recruiters from your staff, taking your fans for granted, believing your own press clippings, then hiring the wrong coordinator, followed by hiring the wrong head coach(es), and culminating in the loss of relationships with players who leave the program, recruits who go elsewhere, high school coaches and fans who feel ignored and unappreciated.

The first thing you have to do is stop going downhill. Then after you level things out you have to start climbing. But the SEC is one steep hill.

I believe Franklin's team has not beat anyone with a winning record. He ain't that great. Though, he does inspire.

FanNotSheep writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

I believe Franklin's team has not beat anyone with a winning record. He ain't that great. Though, he does inspire.

Just remember that he is having success at Vanderbilt.
In football.

He almost beat South Carolina. He did beat Tennessee. Then he out-recruited Tennessee. I'm over 50 and I don't know if Vanderbilt has out-recruited Tennessee in my lifetime.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to FanNotSheep:

Just remember that he is having success at Vanderbilt.
In football.

He almost beat South Carolina. He did beat Tennessee. Then he out-recruited Tennessee. I'm over 50 and I don't know if Vanderbilt has out-recruited Tennessee in my lifetime.

Correct me if I am wrong...but he outrecruited TN simply by the # of players he signed, and not the "quality" of players. I believe TN ranked higher in the average start rating.

And yes, there is something to be said for having even minimal success at Vandy. Like I said...his kids play inspired ball.

FanNotSheep writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

Correct me if I am wrong...but he outrecruited TN simply by the # of players he signed, and not the "quality" of players. I believe TN ranked higher in the average start rating.

And yes, there is something to be said for having even minimal success at Vandy. Like I said...his kids play inspired ball.

Imagine how he could recruit with facilities and fans like ours, compared to being almost invisible in Nashville, with an NFL team and all.

Franklin reminds me of Bruce Pearl, and I wonder if UT could have hired him -- I think they at least should have tried. After the past five years the Tennessee football program needs the kind of excitement this guy brings.

You may be right and he may never be able to move Vandy into the upper half of the SEC. They did have a favorable schedule, not playing Bama, etc. But I admire anyone who can bring a dead program back to life -- and while UT football has a pulse, it's a long, long way from being healthy.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to FanNotSheep:

Imagine how he could recruit with facilities and fans like ours, compared to being almost invisible in Nashville, with an NFL team and all.

Franklin reminds me of Bruce Pearl, and I wonder if UT could have hired him -- I think they at least should have tried. After the past five years the Tennessee football program needs the kind of excitement this guy brings.

You may be right and he may never be able to move Vandy into the upper half of the SEC. They did have a favorable schedule, not playing Bama, etc. But I admire anyone who can bring a dead program back to life -- and while UT football has a pulse, it's a long, long way from being healthy.

I've seen a few of Butch's pre-game speechs with his players on youtube. He seems to get fired up and his fire up his players as well.

He's won 4 conf champs in 6 years, and that's at least something (even if they were with someone else's players and in weaker conferences).

What scares me is...it's obviously about the talent. Shoot...Dooley even beat Jones. I REALLY hope it was due to simply having better talent, and not being outcoached. If it was the latter...we are in for another LONG 3 year experiment.

You think UT fans would want Franklin? (not that us fans have much say in the matter) Especially after the way he spouted off when we beat them in OT 2 years ago, and his subsiquent rants from then on. That would be (almost) like hiring Spurrier. Oh the comedy!

UTvols33 writes:

in response to FanNotSheep:

At the end of the day it will be the end of the day. Gosh I wish people would lose that phrase.

Anyway, it's just another non-article from Climer telling readers what we already know. But while we are on the subject, the success or failure of this staff will be determined by how they coach, inspire and game-plan. Vandy is proof that a great coach (and yes, in my opinion Franklin is one) can beat teams with better talent. Then you must, as Franklin did, follow that up with upgraded recruiting. It feeds on itself. Success builds layer upon layer once the foundation is in place. We have witnessed the opposite: failure feeding upon itself, beginning with not having discipline, losing great recruiters from your staff, taking your fans for granted, believing your own press clippings, then hiring the wrong coordinator, followed by hiring the wrong head coach(es), and culminating in the loss of relationships with players who leave the program, recruits who go elsewhere, high school coaches and fans who feel ignored and unappreciated.

The first thing you have to do is stop going downhill. Then after you level things out you have to start climbing. But the SEC is one steep hill.

Right on.

manniesghost1903 writes:

Climer is a jerk. He got D's and C-s in Freshmen English Composition.

FanNotSheep writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

I've seen a few of Butch's pre-game speechs with his players on youtube. He seems to get fired up and his fire up his players as well.

He's won 4 conf champs in 6 years, and that's at least something (even if they were with someone else's players and in weaker conferences).

What scares me is...it's obviously about the talent. Shoot...Dooley even beat Jones. I REALLY hope it was due to simply having better talent, and not being outcoached. If it was the latter...we are in for another LONG 3 year experiment.

You think UT fans would want Franklin? (not that us fans have much say in the matter) Especially after the way he spouted off when we beat them in OT 2 years ago, and his subsiquent rants from then on. That would be (almost) like hiring Spurrier. Oh the comedy!

Don't get me wrong. I want Jones to succeed. But it's when I see and hear the guy speak that I'm reminded of the Buzz Peterson - to - Bruce Pearl transition. Now Buzz was a nice guy who said all the right things but somehow just didn't seem like the brightest string on the tree. Then Pearl comes in and not only fires up the fans and the students but quickly shows that he is a defensive coaching genius who can take a pretty horrible team and put them in positions where the other team can't bring the ball inbounds.

Jones may be great and I hope he is, but he followed a great coach -- he did not take over programs on life support in a conference like the SEC. Winning at Vandy in the SEC is more impressive to me than following a guy who builds championship programs.

I get the impression that Franklin is the real deal. Maybe I'm wrong and if I am we will know soon enough. But nobody really knew what Pearl could do until he got the opportunity with a big school with great resources.

Personally I wasn't offended by Franklin's comments seeing as how he was trying to play David versus Goliath at Vandy, whereas Spurrier has tormented UT for decades. I think if Franklin had been hired at UT a few people would have female-dogged about it, but if he turned us back into contenders I feel real sure there'd be a statue at Neyland Stadium and a Franklin Boulevard somewhere around town. Moot points anyway since Jones got the job.

wallingdad writes:

Just finished watching the 98 Arkansas game on SportSouth. good times. we sure could use a stud running back like Travis Henry.

decades_vol (Inactive) writes:

in response to UTvols33:

Go to this dude's account and check out his posts. All negative, not a single positive or supportive statement about UT. He hates on the basketball team, too. All his rederick is the same. He even hates on Fulmer. He hates this team so much but yet he says he bought tickets to 5 games! Check it out, let's get this bozo out of here!

notfunanymore writes: 2/11

No jokes or laughs? No talks of vacations? Maybe he finally realizes that 11 teams in the SEC recruited better than UT. Maybe this will be another "year zero"?

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Once again, UT more/less finished last in recruiting in the SEC, and these clowns are finding a joke in everything. All is well and good with the football program, so keep laughing it up coaches. We will see how comical another 5-7 (more like 4-8) season is. 95% of UT fans are delusional.

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

After all their jokes/laughs and vacations are over, maybe these clowns will realize just how important recruiting is. It already seems as if everything is a joke to these coaches....not a good sign at all!

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Keep on believing all is okay and things will get better with the football program. Maybe one day, you and the rest of the 95% delusional Vol fans will get a clue.

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Jay Graham was not concerned about recruiting/signing a top notch running back, he was to worried about his podium performance in Nashville and Disney World vacation. Just another bunch of clown assistants. Get used to 4-8 and 5-7 seasons.

notfunanymore writes: 2/8

Let's see....UT more/less finished last in recruiting in the SEC. The football program is practically gone, BUT these clowns are worried/joking about their performance at the podium. Guarantee you Saban/staff were not worried about their podium performance, I bet they were already discussing future recruits. Bullsh%* like this is why UT is the laughing stock in college football. Do you remember all of Dooley's stupid quips and attempts to be comical? How funny is he now?

notfunanymore writes: 2/7

Blah..blah..blah. The football program is gone. Prepare yourself for 4-8, 5-7, and 6-6 seasons for years to come.

notfunanymore writes: 2/4

"Will be in the future"?? They are already pathetic. Wait three more years, and the women's b-ball team will be right there with the rest of them

notfunanymore writes: 2/2

After another 4-8 or 5-7 season, let's see what people are saying. 95% of UT fans are delusional.

Pay no attention to notfunny. He hasn't yet learned that certain recreational activities are not all they're cracked up to be.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to FanNotSheep:

Don't get me wrong. I want Jones to succeed. But it's when I see and hear the guy speak that I'm reminded of the Buzz Peterson - to - Bruce Pearl transition. Now Buzz was a nice guy who said all the right things but somehow just didn't seem like the brightest string on the tree. Then Pearl comes in and not only fires up the fans and the students but quickly shows that he is a defensive coaching genius who can take a pretty horrible team and put them in positions where the other team can't bring the ball inbounds.

Jones may be great and I hope he is, but he followed a great coach -- he did not take over programs on life support in a conference like the SEC. Winning at Vandy in the SEC is more impressive to me than following a guy who builds championship programs.

I get the impression that Franklin is the real deal. Maybe I'm wrong and if I am we will know soon enough. But nobody really knew what Pearl could do until he got the opportunity with a big school with great resources.

Personally I wasn't offended by Franklin's comments seeing as how he was trying to play David versus Goliath at Vandy, whereas Spurrier has tormented UT for decades. I think if Franklin had been hired at UT a few people would have female-dogged about it, but if he turned us back into contenders I feel real sure there'd be a statue at Neyland Stadium and a Franklin Boulevard somewhere around town. Moot points anyway since Jones got the job.

Actually, I think Butch reminds me more of Pearl, and Dooley reminded me more of Buzz. Jones is more animated like Pearl, and "to the point" like Pearl.

But you know...we both are "trolls and negavols" b/c we are on the fence about another mid-major hire, right?

If Franklin wins more than 7 games next year at Vandy....say goodbye. He'll be offered a job at a good Big XII (maybe Big10) school.

Any coach that comes in here and turns us into contenders will be able to punch a baby and kick a dog, and he will still be thought of as a god.

VolFanInTheBoro (Inactive) writes:

in response to UTvols33:

Go to this dude's account and check out his posts. All negative, not a single positive or supportive statement about UT. He hates on the basketball team, too. All his rederick is the same. He even hates on Fulmer. He hates this team so much but yet he says he bought tickets to 5 games! Check it out, let's get this bozo out of here!

notfunanymore writes: 2/11

No jokes or laughs? No talks of vacations? Maybe he finally realizes that 11 teams in the SEC recruited better than UT. Maybe this will be another "year zero"?

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Once again, UT more/less finished last in recruiting in the SEC, and these clowns are finding a joke in everything. All is well and good with the football program, so keep laughing it up coaches. We will see how comical another 5-7 (more like 4-8) season is. 95% of UT fans are delusional.

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

After all their jokes/laughs and vacations are over, maybe these clowns will realize just how important recruiting is. It already seems as if everything is a joke to these coaches....not a good sign at all!

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Keep on believing all is okay and things will get better with the football program. Maybe one day, you and the rest of the 95% delusional Vol fans will get a clue.

notfunanymore writes: 2/9

Jay Graham was not concerned about recruiting/signing a top notch running back, he was to worried about his podium performance in Nashville and Disney World vacation. Just another bunch of clown assistants. Get used to 4-8 and 5-7 seasons.

notfunanymore writes: 2/8

Let's see....UT more/less finished last in recruiting in the SEC. The football program is practically gone, BUT these clowns are worried/joking about their performance at the podium. Guarantee you Saban/staff were not worried about their podium performance, I bet they were already discussing future recruits. Bullsh%* like this is why UT is the laughing stock in college football. Do you remember all of Dooley's stupid quips and attempts to be comical? How funny is he now?

notfunanymore writes: 2/7

Blah..blah..blah. The football program is gone. Prepare yourself for 4-8, 5-7, and 6-6 seasons for years to come.

notfunanymore writes: 2/4

"Will be in the future"?? They are already pathetic. Wait three more years, and the women's b-ball team will be right there with the rest of them

notfunanymore writes: 2/2

After another 4-8 or 5-7 season, let's see what people are saying. 95% of UT fans are delusional.

what do you expect from notfun. he's a troll not a Vol fan

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