Butch Jones' new Tennessee staff to make a combined $3 million, handsome raises over 2012 salaries

Staff earns 44 percent more than 2012

Tennessee head football coach Butch Jones talks with the media during a press conference in the Peyton Manning Locker Room Complex at Neyland Stadium Friday, Dec. 7, 2012. (ADAM BRIMER/NEWS SENTINEL)

Photo by Adam Brimer, Knoxville News Sentinel

Tennessee head football coach Butch Jones talks with the media during a press conference in the Peyton Manning Locker Room Complex at Neyland Stadium Friday, Dec. 7, 2012. (ADAM BRIMER/NEWS SENTINEL)

The nine on-field assistants hired by new Tennessee football coach Butch Jones will make a combined $3.085 million in 2013, a 44-percent increase over their salaries in 2012 but roughly the same as former coach Derek Dooley's staff was slated to make before being fired.

The salary data was released by the university Wednesday in response to an open-records request by the News Sentinel.

The salary pool is nearly identical to the $2.925 million that Derek Dooley's staff was slated to be paid in 2013, but the money still constitutes a hefty raise for several of the coaches Jones brought with him from Cincinnati.

Defensive coordinator John Jancek and offensive coordinator Mike Bajakian will each make $475,000 per year. That's a 97-percent raise for Jancek, who made $241,000 at Cincinnati in 2012, and an 82-percent raise for Bajakian, who made $261,000, according to USA Today salary data.

Even so, their new Tennessee salaries are less than the $600,000 that offensive coordinator Jim Chaney and defensive coordinator Sal Sunseri each were due to be paid on Dooley's staff.

Jones spread the savings around to veteran assistants, including the three coaches he hired from elsewhere.

Former Auburn assistants Tommy Thigpen (linebackers) and Willie Martinez (secondary), will make $345,000 and $280,000, respectively. Former Wisconsin receivers coach Zach Azzanni, who will also have the title of recruiting coordinator at Tennessee, will make $300,000.

Thigpen and Martinez, who made $322,500 and $255,000 at Auburn, respectively, received the most modest raises of the new staff.

The most experienced coach on the staff, defensive line coach and assistant head coach Steve Stripling, will make $380,000, the most of any non-coordinator assistant. He made $258,000 at Cincinnati.

Running backs coach Jay Graham, the only coach retained from Dooley's staff, will make $260,000. He was slated to make $225,000 under Dooley in 2013.

Offensive line coach Don Mahoney will make $350,000. Tight ends coach and special teams coordinator Mark Elder, the youngest staff member, will make $220,000.

Strength coach Dave Lawson, not considered an on-field assistant, will be paid $175,000. Former UT strength coach Ron McKeefery made $240,000 in 2012.

The information released to the News Sentinel did not include official contracts, which have not yet been signed. The salary totals include a base salary plus guaranteed supplemental income in some cases.

Jones agreed to a six-year, $18 million dollar contract last month and was granted roughly $3 million as a salary pool for assistants, according to his memorandum of understanding.

Tennessee owes Dooley a $5 million buyout payable in monthly installments through 2016. The Vols also owe the full 2013 salary to Chaney, even though he found a new job at Arkansas.

Other fired coaches will have their Tennessee payouts defrayed by income from any new job. Even so, Sunseri, who was hired as a line coach at Florida State, could still be paid $1.3 million by UT over the next two years, which is the difference between his old salary and his reported new income at FSU.

Including Lawson, eight of the 10 new staff members have worked with Jones going back to his years at Central Michigan. Jones said that familiarity has paid off.

"I know everyone on our staff. I understand their background, their pedigree and where they come from," Jones said last month. "The great thing is they know me, they know my expectations. So we can hit the ground running, and not spend time coaching coaches."

Evan Woodbery covers Tennessee football. Follow him at www.Twitter.com/Tennesseebeat.

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Related document: A salary comparison of Butch Jones' staff and Derek Dooley's

Staff: Salary

Name Position Salary

Mike Bajakian OC $475,000

John Jancek DC $475,000

Steve Stripling DL $380,000

Don Mahoney OL $350,000

Tommy Thigpen LB $345,000

Zach Azzanni WR $300,000

Willie Martinez Secondary $280,000

Jay Graham RB $260,000

Mark Elder TE $220,000

Total $3,085,000

Note: Strength coach Dave Lawson makes $175,000, bringing the total package to $3,260,000.

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NYvolFan writes:

Housing BOOM in Knoxville it appears. Poor little fella's.

JonGrudensAgent writes:

All of these assistants are being paid significantly more than the average of 200,000 dollars/season(according to USA Today).

You're being paid like one of the best staffs in America. Now prove it in recruiting.

pcorange writes:

Gotta agree with Gruden's Agent here. Time to show us what they got. So far, I like what I see.

NashvillePreds writes:

in response to I_OWN_MANY:

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I bet the people whom are blessed enough to spend time in your presence are thankful for each moment they are able to keep your company....

NashvillePreds writes:

1.) Good for the coaches, but beware, Obama will be coming after his, "fair share".
2.) Watching the 2012 Sun Bowl was delightful.

civilianvol_formerly_marinevol writes:

in response to I_OWN_MANY:

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Do you often notice people laughing when you leave the room?

Ares writes:

I am concerned with all this money being spent and we continue to get low ranked 3 star players. If we lose Carr and Harris and Vandy maintains there top 15 we will become a 6-6 team if lucky the next few years. I keep waiting to hear about big recruits and I am seeing everything but that. I am always optimistic but the reality of what is going on is too hard to ignore.

PHAT_VOL writes:

This is absurd. No waite this is the best coaching staff in America per coach Jones. No amount of money is to much.

KDOG1973 writes:

Im not big on stars for recruiting BUT we are going to need a few 4 and and at least one 5 star in recruiting in order to be competitive with the SEC. Look at AL, LSU, GA, and FL recruiting. These 3 star recruits might be legit players but we need some additional help.

gerwmor writes:

We will see about the rest of the coaching staff, including Coach Jones, but he had enough vision to see that the biggest success story from last year's team was the improved running game and gave Jay Graham a much deserved raise! The other success last year was the play of the offensive line, and I hate we lost Coach Pittman, but he will be a success wherever he goes and we at least got to keep Coach Graham!

thevoice writes:

Is Jones sporting an earring in that photo?

albert63 writes:

A staff that lost to the only 2 ranked teams it faced last year?????

northfan writes:

in response to I_OWN_MANY:

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At least they went to a bowl.Any bowl helps the under-classmen with more practices, would'nt that be nice for our 2nd and 3rd string QB's.

orangecountyvols writes:

Vols,

Do we have a second to the motion.........of adding 'I own Many' to the little group of Billy the Kid and Wilted Flowers........ as whiny trolls?

Actually, 'I own Many books' titled "Dummies for football fans" is what he's most proud of.

Those 3 trolls are laboring to see which one can be designated as the biggest whiny anti-Vol fan. It's a toss up at this point.

Ironcity writes:

Some posters apparently expect us to immediately win 11 games next year with Dooleys sorry recruits. Coaching will help but at the end of the day its players. This staff is working hard but they are so far behind its not even funny. The best players on the team are leaving early and the sorry defense is back in tact. Give these guys a chance to get settled in and get their system installed. As for rankings, I am not worried at all about our ranking. Those stupid rankings are based mostly on volume of players not quality. Additionally if these guys who rated the players were so hot, they would be coaches not evaluators. The fact that Jones immediately notified a number of Dooleys recruits that UT was not a good fit is a good sign that he knows what he is doing. I will expect next year to see UT pick up a number of high quality players in state. If Jones can do that, the rest will take care of itself. If not we will be here in about 5 years.

VolFanInTheBoro (Inactive) writes:

in response to orangecountyvols:

Vols,

Do we have a second to the motion.........of adding 'I own Many' to the little group of Billy the Kid and Wilted Flowers........ as whiny trolls?

Actually, 'I own Many books' titled "Dummies for football fans" is what he's most proud of.

Those 3 trolls are laboring to see which one can be designated as the biggest whiny anti-Vol fan. It's a toss up at this point.

Orangecounty
Those 3 are only 3 of many, many whiney trolls on this site. The trolls come on here saying that the Vols are no longer irrevelant. Then why are they on this site spouting off their BS

KevDVol writes:

Only two of them are making real money. All of the others are just "middle class" citizens trying to make ends meet.

usnavyvolfan__times_free_press_can_shove_it writes:

in response to I_OWN_MANY:

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Wow, you really know how to light up a room.

Staff's been on the job for what, a month now? Not even a snap played in '13, and you're mailing it in. Love the unbridled optimism.

usnavyvolfan__times_free_press_can_shove_it writes:

in response to Ironcity:

Some posters apparently expect us to immediately win 11 games next year with Dooleys sorry recruits. Coaching will help but at the end of the day its players. This staff is working hard but they are so far behind its not even funny. The best players on the team are leaving early and the sorry defense is back in tact. Give these guys a chance to get settled in and get their system installed. As for rankings, I am not worried at all about our ranking. Those stupid rankings are based mostly on volume of players not quality. Additionally if these guys who rated the players were so hot, they would be coaches not evaluators. The fact that Jones immediately notified a number of Dooleys recruits that UT was not a good fit is a good sign that he knows what he is doing. I will expect next year to see UT pick up a number of high quality players in state. If Jones can do that, the rest will take care of itself. If not we will be here in about 5 years.

Yeah, I miss the days when we'd win a national championship every year.

usnavyvolfan__times_free_press_can_shove_it writes:

in response to orangecountyvols:

Vols,

Do we have a second to the motion.........of adding 'I own Many' to the little group of Billy the Kid and Wilted Flowers........ as whiny trolls?

Actually, 'I own Many books' titled "Dummies for football fans" is what he's most proud of.

Those 3 trolls are laboring to see which one can be designated as the biggest whiny anti-Vol fan. It's a toss up at this point.

I think billy and flowers combined their powers and produced said new screenname.

eaglentn2002#343016 writes:

Thought Graham would make more than that. IMO

tulelakevol writes:

First off, I am happy with the hires. But what happened to proving your worth? I know these guys have experience coaching, I get that. I just don't understand throwing big $$ at people before they have delivered the goods. Exhibit A, Sal Sunseri, wow, still owing him 1.3 million is insanity. Same for the 5 million dollar man.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to Ironcity:

Some posters apparently expect us to immediately win 11 games next year with Dooleys sorry recruits. Coaching will help but at the end of the day its players. This staff is working hard but they are so far behind its not even funny. The best players on the team are leaving early and the sorry defense is back in tact. Give these guys a chance to get settled in and get their system installed. As for rankings, I am not worried at all about our ranking. Those stupid rankings are based mostly on volume of players not quality. Additionally if these guys who rated the players were so hot, they would be coaches not evaluators. The fact that Jones immediately notified a number of Dooleys recruits that UT was not a good fit is a good sign that he knows what he is doing. I will expect next year to see UT pick up a number of high quality players in state. If Jones can do that, the rest will take care of itself. If not we will be here in about 5 years.

Dude, no one expects 11 wins; However, there is talent/depth on this team. The area needing immediate help is the Defensive secondary/LBs. Running back concerns me as well, but other than getting our QB's snaps this cupboard is not bare.

Rumblefish writes:

Where are all the folks that were saying "Dooley is laying a foundation"????

Oh wait...they're the same ones now saying that Jones has to clean up Dooley's mess.

What a bunch of sheep you are. Cue the "troll" comments in 3,2,1.....

Fact is...this coaching bunch hasn't beat any decent ranked teams...let alone competed in the SEC. They lost to Dooley in 2011!! Oh but wait...it's all about the "coach" and not the star value of athletes, right? Can't have it both ways homers!!!!!! Cincy may have beat some of their own kind that might have been ranked at the time (Louisville, etc), but face it...folks call it the "Big Least" for good reason.

On the bright side...Jones has won wherever he's been. I'll give him his chance to recruit up until NSD. If he doesn't reel in some 4* and a couple 5* recruits....it's gonna be the same 'ol same 'ol in Knoxville.

Stars don't matter you say??? Yeah right. Wake up. Stanford as an example?? Oh wow...the Pac XII...which has been about as relevant as the Big Least. Oregon you say?? Vince Young. Fact is...4/5 star athletes DO MATTER. They are ranked for a reason. It's not like scouting sites are just throwing darts at names and asigning star points. Like I said above...if were more about the "coach" than it were the "athletes"....Jones would have beat Dooley.

SevenT writes:

Jones will fall on his face and be fired in about 3 years just like Dooley. Tennessee will start all over and be in debt up to their eyeballs with multiple coach buyouts.

Does anyone know how much Kiffin is still being paid by Tennessee?

GoVols025 writes:

in response to SevenT:

Jones will fall on his face and be fired in about 3 years just like Dooley. Tennessee will start all over and be in debt up to their eyeballs with multiple coach buyouts.

Does anyone know how much Kiffin is still being paid by Tennessee?

27-1

fredricks writes:

in response to I_OWN_MANY:

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My exact feelings. I am with you on this one.

VolFanInTheBoro (Inactive) writes:

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chattabluetick writes:

Jay Graham should have been paid more. Spurrier having him on staff 3 years at S. Car. and wanting him to remain, is a better resume than the rest of these assistants posess.

SevenT writes:

in response to VolFanInTheBoro:

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Burro:

It is a violation of the GVX terms of service to use foul language.

Just Saying

abnerPeabody writes:

I should have been a football coach at Tennessee instead of a bowler.

chuckfromwoodberry writes:

in response to SevenT:

Burro:

It is a violation of the GVX terms of service to use foul language.

Just Saying

Kiss my left acorn.

tovolny writes:

Where are the 4 star and 5 star people? Is it just good football relations or something for a coach to offer former commitments to other schools to come along with him? Seems like we should look hard at the in-state 3 star guys. But, offer scholarships to all 4 and 5 star guys no matter where they presently reside. I just can't get a grip on the out-of-state 3 star recruiting. Somebody help me out here.

Show-me-your-TDs writes:

That's nuts!

usnavyvolfan__times_free_press_can_shove_it writes:

in response to SevenT:

Jones will fall on his face and be fired in about 3 years just like Dooley. Tennessee will start all over and be in debt up to their eyeballs with multiple coach buyouts.

Does anyone know how much Kiffin is still being paid by Tennessee?

Speaking of falling flat on their face, how bout that John Callipari??

pms151 writes:

in response to JonGrudensAgent:

All of these assistants are being paid significantly more than the average of 200,000 dollars/season(according to USA Today).

You're being paid like one of the best staffs in America. Now prove it in recruiting.

That average does indeed include UT but it also includes everyone else. Think about that.

Show-me-your-TDs writes:

Lovin me some Louisville football right now

volthrunthru#658770 writes:

For those who have a problem with people point out some flaws in this coaching staff:

a. Anybody who sees a manure sandwich on which somebody has placed a new lettuce leaf, served on an orange plate, is supposed to holler as if Doug Dickey, Johnny Majors and Phillip Fulmer were all assistants to The General for 2013---and yell, "GO VOLS!!!" and eat lunch from the orange plate. To avoid doing so, you apparently believe, is disloyalty.

b. Otherwise, anybody who has the audacity to suggest that a lot of emperors in Knoxville are in the nude, is supposed to be throttled.

c. And your implicit point is, apparently, that stupid comments from very ignorant people, who do not know good football from a mountain oyster, are supposed to be respected.

d. Finally, you apparently expect people who DO know some things about athletics, administration, football at the level of big-time collegiate competition, to shut up and let dumb comments be treated as truth.

Horse manure.

UT Football is in as bad trouble as it has ever been. Those in charge are so desperate they hire mediocre coaches, give them healthy raises, and a second-tier head coach woefully paid beyond his expertise, experience or track record.

The coaching search that resulted in his hire was an absolute shame, casting UT in the kind of light it has been since Mike Hamilton first began his incompetent tenure---except momentum of stupidity by Hart has more national journalists looking.

One of those Journalists, Tim from Louisiana, wants UT to do well; he said good things. He knows Jones and staff are far, far below the level UT would command if it had not become a destination to be avoided by better coaches.

That’s due to bad fans, the Fulmer debacle (Hall of Fame Coach, widely respected by HC's around the nation, etc, etc; yet publicly humiliated by Hamilton and the BOT and top two admins at UT;)
lack of recruiting base in Tennessee---yet these coaches come from some bush league school and tell ignorant Tennesseans what locals want to hear---Tennessee recruits from Tennessee can win the SEC---and they get three years to deliver garbage wrapped in excuses.

Jones et al are a small cut above Dooley as coaches. Disciplinarians they may be; but they have nowhere near the background to win in the SEC. They do not know how to recruit 5-stars---barely recruiting 4-stars---real ones, not 4-stars they have convinced rating services to rank upwards, to make them look good.

Notice they raped Cincinnati to come here, taking recruits from that school. THAT is classless---for a 3-star player, on top of it all. But they have no other options, because they are not getting into the big time players.

UT is in for a long ride---and it will not end well with this bunch.

Men's Basketball, as well as baseball, as well as the shameful Pat Summitt handling is just par for the course at UT, nowadays.

ollias#273315 writes:

......and will anyone teach our punter and field goal kicker the fndamentals?

tnoutlaw2001#228008 writes:

in response to I_OWN_MANY:

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Any coach or staff coming to UT was going to make more. All candidates would have received an increase over their previous pay. It's not called the SEC because they pay chicken feed.

chattabluetick writes:

Anybody watching Louisville dismantle the gators late 3rd,30-10. Cincinnati under CBJ lost 34-31 in OT to Louisville after QB threw int on 1st posession. Cincinnati under CBJ defeated Louisville in 2010 and 2011. I KNOW YOU CAN'T compare scores and all that but just sayin. Lets give CBJ and his new staff a chance and see what they can do. Surely the defense couldn't get any worse.

tnoutlaw2001#228008 writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

For those who have a problem with people point out some flaws in this coaching staff:

a. Anybody who sees a manure sandwich on which somebody has placed a new lettuce leaf, served on an orange plate, is supposed to holler as if Doug Dickey, Johnny Majors and Phillip Fulmer were all assistants to The General for 2013---and yell, "GO VOLS!!!" and eat lunch from the orange plate. To avoid doing so, you apparently believe, is disloyalty.

b. Otherwise, anybody who has the audacity to suggest that a lot of emperors in Knoxville are in the nude, is supposed to be throttled.

c. And your implicit point is, apparently, that stupid comments from very ignorant people, who do not know good football from a mountain oyster, are supposed to be respected.

d. Finally, you apparently expect people who DO know some things about athletics, administration, football at the level of big-time collegiate competition, to shut up and let dumb comments be treated as truth.

Horse manure.

UT Football is in as bad trouble as it has ever been. Those in charge are so desperate they hire mediocre coaches, give them healthy raises, and a second-tier head coach woefully paid beyond his expertise, experience or track record.

The coaching search that resulted in his hire was an absolute shame, casting UT in the kind of light it has been since Mike Hamilton first began his incompetent tenure---except momentum of stupidity by Hart has more national journalists looking.

One of those Journalists, Tim from Louisiana, wants UT to do well; he said good things. He knows Jones and staff are far, far below the level UT would command if it had not become a destination to be avoided by better coaches.

That’s due to bad fans, the Fulmer debacle (Hall of Fame Coach, widely respected by HC's around the nation, etc, etc; yet publicly humiliated by Hamilton and the BOT and top two admins at UT;)
lack of recruiting base in Tennessee---yet these coaches come from some bush league school and tell ignorant Tennesseans what locals want to hear---Tennessee recruits from Tennessee can win the SEC---and they get three years to deliver garbage wrapped in excuses.

Jones et al are a small cut above Dooley as coaches. Disciplinarians they may be; but they have nowhere near the background to win in the SEC. They do not know how to recruit 5-stars---barely recruiting 4-stars---real ones, not 4-stars they have convinced rating services to rank upwards, to make them look good.

Notice they raped Cincinnati to come here, taking recruits from that school. THAT is classless---for a 3-star player, on top of it all. But they have no other options, because they are not getting into the big time players.

UT is in for a long ride---and it will not end well with this bunch.

Men's Basketball, as well as baseball, as well as the shameful Pat Summitt handling is just par for the course at UT, nowadays.

You just wrote a story as if anyone here has any power to do anything, who are you ranting to about your tin foil hat drivel? UT fans who love their school and support their favorite sports teams? Ok, carry on

(please never ever let me have the unfortunate luck of sitting anywhere near a nut like this at a game)

tnoutlaw2001#228008 writes:

in response to SevenT:

Jones will fall on his face and be fired in about 3 years just like Dooley. Tennessee will start all over and be in debt up to their eyeballs with multiple coach buyouts.

Does anyone know how much Kiffin is still being paid by Tennessee?

This is just Alabama, now go look at Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Auburn, Florida just to name a few and count the coaching changes and everything else you are trying to cry about and see if it matters. It happens every year at several colleges and will happen again next year, and the year after, will you still try to claim it's the downfall of a major University and hope your rants on a fan page will make a change?

Alabama since 1996, and what happened in between for the cry babies who forget history in college football.

Gene Stallings 90-96
Mike Dubose 97-2000
Dennis Franchoine 2001-02
Mike Price 2003
Mike Shula 2003-2006
Joe Kines 2006
Nick Saban 2007-present

Show-me-your-TDs writes:

Haha forget Florida!!!!

utvolfan1955 writes:

gayta trolls won't be on here for a few days

OneMoreTime writes:

If they can win then it is worth it. Go vols!

wayne.kearney#1414428 writes:

Do not care how much they make. Just win baby

82cat writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

For those who have a problem with people point out some flaws in this coaching staff:

a. Anybody who sees a manure sandwich on which somebody has placed a new lettuce leaf, served on an orange plate, is supposed to holler as if Doug Dickey, Johnny Majors and Phillip Fulmer were all assistants to The General for 2013---and yell, "GO VOLS!!!" and eat lunch from the orange plate. To avoid doing so, you apparently believe, is disloyalty.

b. Otherwise, anybody who has the audacity to suggest that a lot of emperors in Knoxville are in the nude, is supposed to be throttled.

c. And your implicit point is, apparently, that stupid comments from very ignorant people, who do not know good football from a mountain oyster, are supposed to be respected.

d. Finally, you apparently expect people who DO know some things about athletics, administration, football at the level of big-time collegiate competition, to shut up and let dumb comments be treated as truth.

Horse manure.

UT Football is in as bad trouble as it has ever been. Those in charge are so desperate they hire mediocre coaches, give them healthy raises, and a second-tier head coach woefully paid beyond his expertise, experience or track record.

The coaching search that resulted in his hire was an absolute shame, casting UT in the kind of light it has been since Mike Hamilton first began his incompetent tenure---except momentum of stupidity by Hart has more national journalists looking.

One of those Journalists, Tim from Louisiana, wants UT to do well; he said good things. He knows Jones and staff are far, far below the level UT would command if it had not become a destination to be avoided by better coaches.

That’s due to bad fans, the Fulmer debacle (Hall of Fame Coach, widely respected by HC's around the nation, etc, etc; yet publicly humiliated by Hamilton and the BOT and top two admins at UT;)
lack of recruiting base in Tennessee---yet these coaches come from some bush league school and tell ignorant Tennesseans what locals want to hear---Tennessee recruits from Tennessee can win the SEC---and they get three years to deliver garbage wrapped in excuses.

Jones et al are a small cut above Dooley as coaches. Disciplinarians they may be; but they have nowhere near the background to win in the SEC. They do not know how to recruit 5-stars---barely recruiting 4-stars---real ones, not 4-stars they have convinced rating services to rank upwards, to make them look good.

Notice they raped Cincinnati to come here, taking recruits from that school. THAT is classless---for a 3-star player, on top of it all. But they have no other options, because they are not getting into the big time players.

UT is in for a long ride---and it will not end well with this bunch.

Men's Basketball, as well as baseball, as well as the shameful Pat Summitt handling is just par for the course at UT, nowadays.

So you were the guy Theodore Roosevelt was talking about.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt

I believe that last sentence describes you and many of the whinners on this board cold and timid souls.

OrangePsyched writes:

in response to 82cat:

So you were the guy Theodore Roosevelt was talking about.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt

I believe that last sentence describes you and many of the whinners on this board cold and timid souls.

I don't think dude will get your message. I think he said something about finding some lettuce to make a sandwich. I feel ya though..very astute.

JonGrudensAgent writes:

in response to pms151:

That average does indeed include UT but it also includes everyone else. Think about that.

I did think about it.

Jones is being paid more than Muschamp and Richt and roughly 600,000 less than Spurrier.

The assistant coaches pool is greater than that at Florida or Georgia currently and approximately 500,000 more than the assistants pool at SC.

If Jones and his staff are going to be paid more than the Vols direct competition, then it shouldn't be took much to expect them to improve recruiting some by February.

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