Geoff Calkins: Killing Tennessee series wrong move for Memphis

Memphis guard Will Barton (5) gets tangled with Tennessee guard Josh Richardson, right, in the second half of an NCAA college basketball game on Wednesday, Jan. 4, 2012, in Memphis, Tenn. Memphis won 69-51.

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Memphis guard Will Barton (5) gets tangled with Tennessee guard Josh Richardson, right, in the second half of an NCAA college basketball game on Wednesday, Jan. 4, 2012, in Memphis, Tenn. Memphis won 69-51.

MEMPHIS - It was confusing, really. The question was about Tennessee. But all Memphis coach Josh Pastner could talk about was Louisville.

"The rival game for us is Louisville," he said.

OK, but what about the Tennessee game?

"The one game Tiger Nation wants to see on the schedule every single year is Louisville."

Yeah, but isn't the Tennessee game fun, too?

"It's nothing about Tennessee, it's no shot at them, it's nothing. It's just our fan base wants to play Louisville every single year."

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brokebackvol writes:

Apparently Pastner has convinced himself that Memphis State has a big enough name that it doesn't need to play the big in-state school. How many titles has that won you, Josh??

Fall_Creek_Vols writes:

I wonder who he's trying to convince...us or himself.

smoky50 writes:

Just another reason I despise this town they call Memphis that has turned into mini-DETROIT

Bigger_Al writes:

Louisville's rivalry game is with Kentucky.

voloffaith writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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O yes the fans will be crawling over each other for those tix just like they did for Ga. St. and the Zips etc.

Glad to see yure sarcasm didn't die with the new year....curious how did the shop finish up 2012? Were you in the black or red?

NashvillePreds writes:

Why would a major west TN/Memphis player choose Tennessee over Tiger High? IDK, let me think off the top of my head:
1.) Top 10 in attendance year in and year out
2.) Ability to represent the entire state of Tennessee, as oppossed to a commuter school in Memphis
3.) Wayne Chism
4.) Jarnell Stokes
5.) Robert Hubbs
6.) Chance to play in the SEC
7.) Less likely to appear on "The First 48"

UTMaster04 writes:

I'm from Memphis and let me tell you that Memphis fans do not want this series to end. It's strictly a coach and AD decision and does not reflect the Tiger-fan base. Most Memphis fans respect Tennessee's programs and like the challenge of playing Tennesse win or lose. They even like the football series, even though we lead 26-1 or something like that.

I think the football series is good for UT because it provides us with a sure W and a game that has more interest than Troy, S. Alabama, or some other random team. Basketball wise it's a respectable non-conference game that gets televised nationally, and that's always good.

It appears win-win for UT.

Fall_Creek_Vols writes:

Calkins writes an interesting and well-reasoned article here. What's really interesting is the number of Memphis State fans who agree with him.

BTW Preds, love your post...especially #7.

KevDVol writes:

Let Tiger High and their Junior High school coach Pussner hide behind Louisville. We can get the state to force them to play. Until then, tell them to sell their "chicken salad" elsewhere. It smells funny.

ETNTigerFan writes:

While I don't agree with many of the unflattering comments here about the city and University of Memphis, I do agree that ending the series is a bad move for the entire state and both schools. Many other Tiger fans I know feel the same way.

westknoxrepub writes:

Pastner is worried about recruiting, and a Tennessee loss is bad for him. However the WORST case scanario is that after next year Pastner gets fired, they bring in Pearl and renew the series with the coach we should still have instead of the soon to be former Tennessee coach we currently employ.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

Calkins is finally right about something..UT/UM rivalry is a competitive good rivalry and whether either school considers it their most hated rival is irrelevant. The fans pack TBA or FedUp arena regardless what the records are and as far as fb is concerned it's one of the only games UM plays where the crowd nears capacity @ LBS.

laraccoon writes:

in response to westknoxrepub:

Pastner is worried about recruiting, and a Tennessee loss is bad for him. However the WORST case scanario is that after next year Pastner gets fired, they bring in Pearl and renew the series with the coach we should still have instead of the soon to be former Tennessee coach we currently employ.

dude what planet are you living on ? the NCAA would have dropped the hammer on UT if they would have kept Pearl . Do you not get that ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show-cau...

born2ride writes:

Memphis is the biggest game of the year for the Vols. It is a shame Josh Pastner does not care about the fans. The teams should play every year.

volvann writes:

Pastner is too funny for his own good. Each year he is at Memphis, thier BB team is a little weaker. So to get that 20 wins to get to the dance, he works to get easier and easier schools on the schedule. UT has already played Georgetown, Virginia, Oklahoma St and Wichita St. The strength of schedule currently for Memphis is 273 (for perspective the current team ranked a 273 is Fordham with a 4-10 record).

But after their great non-conference run, they do have to play that killer Conference USA schedule each year.

That's OK, if he plays a CCM team each year, it will ruin all the offensive stats that Memphis likes to brag about.

Govols....

Vol4EVA writes:

Let's be historically factual about this. Memphis BEGGED for this game in the 80's. When it was finally established as a yearly event, things just did not go the way the Tigers expected. They envisioned "dominating" the Vols in basketball the way UT has dominated Memphis in football. Basketball was going to be their “big get even”. Well The Big Orange proved them wrong. Not only does Tennessee lead the series (14-10), the Vols have won every game in the series that had significance (first in the series, first in Memphis, the NIT game in Memphis, Number 1 vs. Number 2, etc....). Now Memphis is wanting out. Who would have thunk it? Memphis has a great basketball tradition, but it is not as great as they make it out to be. They have their 2 final 4's and regularly do well in the NCAA Tournament. But let's face it, since the glory days of the Metro Conference ended with the departure of Louisville and Cincinnati, the competition Memphis has faced on an annual basis is second tier to say the least. Memphis has been known for their dumb moves from an athletic perspective for the past 30 years. Dropping the annual UT game is simply another in a long list of bad decisions this program continues to make. I grew up in Memphis and watched this unfold first hand since 1965. This will hurt Memphis far more than Tennessee and honestly, I don’t believe Big Orange fans outside of Shelby County really care.

Go Vols! I'll hang up and listen to your comments...

johnlg00 writes:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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Once again, I agree completely. I remember a year not so long ago when there were six Tennessee teams in the NCAA tournament. It would be easier to recruit to schools like ETSU, Chattanooga, and MTSU if they played UT every year. Those schools wouldn't likely be competing with UT for top-level recruits, but they perhaps could get players better than they get right now if they had an annual UT game for a draw. Why not help our instate schools instead of sending our visitors' gate receipts and guarantees to Oakland, College of Charleston, and UNC-Asheville?

I hope the Vols continue to play a number of national programs in non-conference games and in holiday tournaments, but I just don't see the downside to feasting on our home-grown "cupcakes" instead of importing them from out of state. Oh sure, it would look bad for the Vols to lose to any of those teams more than occasionally, but do we want to duck instate competition for that reason, like, say, Memphis is doing?

CoverOrange writes:

Tennessee's BB rivalries are with Kentucky, Vandy and Florida. As long as we continue to schedule teams like Georgetown, Virginia, and Wichita St, we don't need Memphis for RPI purposes. Memphis is not the only viable recruiting hotspot in the southern region. This will hurt Memphis more than it will hurt Tennessee. As Pastner takes Memphis further and further into obscurity, the Memphis recruits will seek other venues.

Snapshot writes:

in response to NashvillePreds:

Why would a major west TN/Memphis player choose Tennessee over Tiger High? IDK, let me think off the top of my head:
1.) Top 10 in attendance year in and year out
2.) Ability to represent the entire state of Tennessee, as oppossed to a commuter school in Memphis
3.) Wayne Chism
4.) Jarnell Stokes
5.) Robert Hubbs
6.) Chance to play in the SEC
7.) Less likely to appear on "The First 48"

That's some pretty good reasons, especially No. 7. lol

I say screw'em. If Paster doesn't want to play, then fine. Don't ever schedule them again in any sport, ever.

voloffaith writes:

in response to johnlg00:

Once again, I agree completely. I remember a year not so long ago when there were six Tennessee teams in the NCAA tournament. It would be easier to recruit to schools like ETSU, Chattanooga, and MTSU if they played UT every year. Those schools wouldn't likely be competing with UT for top-level recruits, but they perhaps could get players better than they get right now if they had an annual UT game for a draw. Why not help our instate schools instead of sending our visitors' gate receipts and guarantees to Oakland, College of Charleston, and UNC-Asheville?

I hope the Vols continue to play a number of national programs in non-conference games and in holiday tournaments, but I just don't see the downside to feasting on our home-grown "cupcakes" instead of importing them from out of state. Oh sure, it would look bad for the Vols to lose to any of those teams more than occasionally, but do we want to duck instate competition for that reason, like, say, Memphis is doing?

yessir the coaches voting in the polls(when we return) will be enamored with a schedule filled with the likes of your choices....Yeah nice to keep money for in state institutions....we aren't ducking them ie. as "Memphis"

TheEffect writes:

in response to NashvillePreds:

Why would a major west TN/Memphis player choose Tennessee over Tiger High? IDK, let me think off the top of my head:
1.) Top 10 in attendance year in and year out
2.) Ability to represent the entire state of Tennessee, as oppossed to a commuter school in Memphis
3.) Wayne Chism
4.) Jarnell Stokes
5.) Robert Hubbs
6.) Chance to play in the SEC
7.) Less likely to appear on "The First 48"

8.). The opportunity to get waxed by Kentucky every year...twice.

Einstein writes:

BS from Pastner.Memphis does not care about Louisville. Pastner is just afraid of losing to Tennessee.

VolunteerLifer writes:

in response to TheEffect:

8.). The opportunity to get waxed by Kentucky every year...twice.

Let's see your school's record vs. Kentucky, pal. Bet UT's is better.

mike#208050 writes:

in response to Vol4EVA:

Let's be historically factual about this. Memphis BEGGED for this game in the 80's. When it was finally established as a yearly event, things just did not go the way the Tigers expected. They envisioned "dominating" the Vols in basketball the way UT has dominated Memphis in football. Basketball was going to be their “big get even”. Well The Big Orange proved them wrong. Not only does Tennessee lead the series (14-10), the Vols have won every game in the series that had significance (first in the series, first in Memphis, the NIT game in Memphis, Number 1 vs. Number 2, etc....). Now Memphis is wanting out. Who would have thunk it? Memphis has a great basketball tradition, but it is not as great as they make it out to be. They have their 2 final 4's and regularly do well in the NCAA Tournament. But let's face it, since the glory days of the Metro Conference ended with the departure of Louisville and Cincinnati, the competition Memphis has faced on an annual basis is second tier to say the least. Memphis has been known for their dumb moves from an athletic perspective for the past 30 years. Dropping the annual UT game is simply another in a long list of bad decisions this program continues to make. I grew up in Memphis and watched this unfold first hand since 1965. This will hurt Memphis far more than Tennessee and honestly, I don’t believe Big Orange fans outside of Shelby County really care.

Go Vols! I'll hang up and listen to your comments...

Actually Memphis begged for this series in the '70s when Ray Mears refused to play Memphis State. It took pressure from the State Legislature to make that eventually happen. The series has been entertaining and I, as a fan hate to see it go. But I understand why Pastner wants it to end. It is about recruiting, not playing. I doubt any basketball coach from Memphis has spent 5 minutes recruiting the Knoxville area in the last 20 years. Memphis is where the talent is and University of Memphis is protecting it's turf.

Simply put, the University of Memphis has no desire to be a stage for UT to showcase their program in Memphis. Don't take it personal. Memphis has enough NCAA banners hanging from the FedEX forum to not be worried about playing another SEC school. At the time of Pastner's decision and comments, he was looking forward to entering the Big East Conference and certainly needed to change his nonconference schedule.

Calipari wanted this series ended several years ago and offered a reasonable compromise. Play one game a year in Nashville and split the tickets evenly. Hamilton rejected that offer.

You make too much of the revenge motive from Memphis's point of view. This clearly has become UT's most important non-conference game, but Louisville is Memphis's big game. Being from Memphis you should know that. All you have to do is look back at the non-conference schedule of past seasons to see that Memphis plays many schools with a bigger name than UT. Teams like Gonzaga, Georgetown, UConn, Duke to mention a few. A single game against UT is not going to make or break a season for Memphis or UT. Memphis also cut ties with Ole Miss and Arkansas in basketball too. Since then, neither school has been a factor in recruiting the Memphis area. Outside of Stokes coming to UT at a time when Memphis had no scholarship to offer, UT has gotten very little from the Memphis area. Coach Martin lost every recruit he offered in Memphis this year. I personally believe that the series will be renewed in the future, because the fans from both schools want it. But stop your bragging about how great your Vols are, you dropped two to the Tigers last year!

Enjoy the game Friday, both teams are struggling and have injuries. Be nice, it is only a basketball game, not war! And yes, I am originally from Memphis and a TIGER FAN.

mike#208050 writes:

in response to volvann:

Pastner is too funny for his own good. Each year he is at Memphis, thier BB team is a little weaker. So to get that 20 wins to get to the dance, he works to get easier and easier schools on the schedule. UT has already played Georgetown, Virginia, Oklahoma St and Wichita St. The strength of schedule currently for Memphis is 273 (for perspective the current team ranked a 273 is Fordham with a 4-10 record).

But after their great non-conference run, they do have to play that killer Conference USA schedule each year.

That's OK, if he plays a CCM team each year, it will ruin all the offensive stats that Memphis likes to brag about.

Govols....

Memphis hasn't played all cupcakes, they have played Louisville, VCU and Minnesota this year too, all currently ranked. Is UT ready to play Memphis? That is what you need to be worried about.

CCM lost to Memphis twice last year. That is the most important stat.

As for that weak Conference USA, Tulane beat Alabama at their house just last week.

trubleoj#657755 writes:

Josh has a pretty high opinion of his team and tradition that is not based in fact (neither Strength of Schedule or frequency of large market TV exposure). Leadership decisions based in fear rarely succeed. I suspect that boosters will soon tire of his lack of spine and juvenile reasoning. Until then they'll be known as the Memphis State Cottontails and their mascot little Josh the quivering bunny.

mike#208050 writes:

in response to NashvillePreds:

Why would a major west TN/Memphis player choose Tennessee over Tiger High? IDK, let me think off the top of my head:
1.) Top 10 in attendance year in and year out
2.) Ability to represent the entire state of Tennessee, as oppossed to a commuter school in Memphis
3.) Wayne Chism
4.) Jarnell Stokes
5.) Robert Hubbs
6.) Chance to play in the SEC
7.) Less likely to appear on "The First 48"

You asked the question.

1) Playing with the #3 recruiting class in the Nation this year!
2) D.Rose & T.Evans, #1 NBA draft picks!
3) Sellout crowds in the FedEx forum.
4) NBA scouts at every home game
5) SEC ha, Big East next year
6) NCAA tournament banners hanging all over the ceiling, and not for the women's team.
7) Playing for a school that has made it to the Final Four three times!
8) Not having to wear orange!

Shall we continue this silly exercise off the top your head?

Just having fun with you!

born2ride writes:

in response to VolunteerLifer:

Let's see your school's record vs. Kentucky, pal. Bet UT's is better.

Memphis is undefeated against Kentucky.

1-0

trubleoj#657755 writes:

in response to mike#208050:

You asked the question.

1) Playing with the #3 recruiting class in the Nation this year!
2) D.Rose & T.Evans, #1 NBA draft picks!
3) Sellout crowds in the FedEx forum.
4) NBA scouts at every home game
5) SEC ha, Big East next year
6) NCAA tournament banners hanging all over the ceiling, and not for the women's team.
7) Playing for a school that has made it to the Final Four three times!
8) Not having to wear orange!

Shall we continue this silly exercise off the top your head?

Just having fun with you!

#7 - Officially that is 1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men...

you can't brag about cheating.

NashvillePreds writes:

in response to mike#208050:

You asked the question.

1) Playing with the #3 recruiting class in the Nation this year!
2) D.Rose & T.Evans, #1 NBA draft picks!
3) Sellout crowds in the FedEx forum.
4) NBA scouts at every home game
5) SEC ha, Big East next year
6) NCAA tournament banners hanging all over the ceiling, and not for the women's team.
7) Playing for a school that has made it to the Final Four three times!
8) Not having to wear orange!

Shall we continue this silly exercise off the top your head?

Just having fun with you!

I will admit, UT wouldn't have been able to land D. Rose, as our school has actual standards when it comes to academics, and Rose would have had to take the ACT himself.
What are these mythical "NCAA banners" you speak of? Hasn't memphis been to two final fours, and both times the appearences were vacated due to the cheating at tiger high?
Let's look into the list a bit further:
1.) Not sure how that is relevent to the next big time players coming out of school, just ask R. Hubbs.
2.) See my comments above
3.) UT attendance is comparative with tiger high
4.) NBA scouts follow the players, not the program. Just ask Tobias.
5.) The big east is on the verge of implosion. I hope you were being tongue-in-cheek on that one
6.) See previous comments
7.) wow. The name of your team is the tigers... LSU, TSU, Mizzou, Auburn, Clemson, tiger high... very original... Also, blue and white... isn't that color taken, by say KY?

Tiger high = colossal joke
Enjoy the BIG ORANGE beat down on Friday

stevefrommemphis writes:

I posted on here yesterday calling both the school and city of Memphis "bush league." I would like to amend that statement regarding the school, because anybody can get an education at any school if he or she works hard enough. So I apologize.

However, I will not apologize for calling Memphis a "bush league" city.

wireless_vol writes:

in response to volvann:

Pastner is too funny for his own good. Each year he is at Memphis, thier BB team is a little weaker. So to get that 20 wins to get to the dance, he works to get easier and easier schools on the schedule. UT has already played Georgetown, Virginia, Oklahoma St and Wichita St. The strength of schedule currently for Memphis is 273 (for perspective the current team ranked a 273 is Fordham with a 4-10 record).

But after their great non-conference run, they do have to play that killer Conference USA schedule each year.

That's OK, if he plays a CCM team each year, it will ruin all the offensive stats that Memphis likes to brag about.

Govols....

U of Memphis is not in C-USA any longer.

wireless_vol writes:

in response to Vol4EVA:

Let's be historically factual about this. Memphis BEGGED for this game in the 80's. When it was finally established as a yearly event, things just did not go the way the Tigers expected. They envisioned "dominating" the Vols in basketball the way UT has dominated Memphis in football. Basketball was going to be their “big get even”. Well The Big Orange proved them wrong. Not only does Tennessee lead the series (14-10), the Vols have won every game in the series that had significance (first in the series, first in Memphis, the NIT game in Memphis, Number 1 vs. Number 2, etc....). Now Memphis is wanting out. Who would have thunk it? Memphis has a great basketball tradition, but it is not as great as they make it out to be. They have their 2 final 4's and regularly do well in the NCAA Tournament. But let's face it, since the glory days of the Metro Conference ended with the departure of Louisville and Cincinnati, the competition Memphis has faced on an annual basis is second tier to say the least. Memphis has been known for their dumb moves from an athletic perspective for the past 30 years. Dropping the annual UT game is simply another in a long list of bad decisions this program continues to make. I grew up in Memphis and watched this unfold first hand since 1965. This will hurt Memphis far more than Tennessee and honestly, I don’t believe Big Orange fans outside of Shelby County really care.

Go Vols! I'll hang up and listen to your comments...

Memphis no longer has 2 final four's either....they had to vacate both of those. I love telling Tiger High fans that we have just as many final four's as they do!

wireless_vol writes:

in response to trubleoj#657755:

#7 - Officially that is 1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men...

you can't brag about cheating.

#3 wrong my friend. First the Forum seats about 3000 LESS then TBA, and I have been many many times. It's never full. I was at the Loyola game last Sunday....about half empty.

twicevolalum writes:

I have never believed we should have to play Memphis in football. If ending the basketball series also ends the football commitment, I am all for it.

wireless_vol writes:

in response to wireless_vol:

#3 wrong my friend. First the Forum seats about 3000 LESS then TBA, and I have been many many times. It's never full. I was at the Loyola game last Sunday....about half empty.

phooey...that reply was supposed to be for the original post..not your reply trubleoj..I agree with your post.

Ironcity writes:

Looks like the AD at Memphis has received some pressure from the fans because he is suddenly interested in continuing the series. If it happens it will be good for all. Pastner shouldn't worry about recruiting against UT in Memphis because his days as their coach are numbered.

born2ride writes:

in response to Ironcity:

Looks like the AD at Memphis has received some pressure from the fans because he is suddenly interested in continuing the series. If it happens it will be good for all. Pastner shouldn't worry about recruiting against UT in Memphis because his days as their coach are numbered.

Dave Hart is working on a new football and basketball contract with the Memphis AD. Looks like the two schools will continue to play each other.

UTMaster04 writes:

in response to wireless_vol:

Memphis no longer has 2 final four's either....they had to vacate both of those. I love telling Tiger High fans that we have just as many final four's as they do!

Sorry, wireless. Even with the two Final 4s vacated Memphis still has one from 1973 when UCLA beat Memphis State in the final.

UTMaster04 writes:

BTW, the Memphis AD is now in discussion with UT to extend the series...

Noogaorange writes:

in response to Snapshot:

That's some pretty good reasons, especially No. 7. lol

I say screw'em. If Paster doesn't want to play, then fine. Don't ever schedule them again in any sport, ever.

I'm with you......screw them!

GBO VFL17

VolzsFan writes:

in response to laraccoon:

dude what planet are you living on ? the NCAA would have dropped the hammer on UT if they would have kept Pearl . Do you not get that ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show-cau...

ahhh, so. The hammer was already dropped on UT's program before Pearl got here. Remember, 500 ball. Losing to in state schools. Black curtains. NIT first round flame outs.....remember the arena. Than Pearl. New facilities, national respect, top 5 in attendance, top 5 in facilities, top 5 in SOS, #1 ranking, NCAA every year, Sweet 16s, Elite 8's. Yes, I remember the pre Pearl hammer that the previous coaches did to UT's hoops program.

Much like the decision to fire a Hall of Fame football coach was akin to dropping the hammer on UT football. You people make no sense nor understand anything about sports.. Tenn had at the same time:

1. Most successful football coach in school history (and SEC)

2. Most successful baseball coach in school history (and SEC)

3. Most successful coach in basketball in school history (working on the SEC)

4. One of the most successful track coaches in school history...

All of them in addition to the financial reserve is long gone.

Enjoy that change and fear the hammer LOL!!!

johnlg00 writes:

in response to voloffaith:

yessir the coaches voting in the polls(when we return) will be enamored with a schedule filled with the likes of your choices....Yeah nice to keep money for in state institutions....we aren't ducking them ie. as "Memphis"

I said I hope UT continues to schedule national powers for the non-conference schedule and in the holiday tournaments. I merely suggested that they substitute, for example, an ETSU team here in Tennessee for a Kennesaw State team from Georgia or an Oakland from Michigan. Not much to choose among those for RPI/SOS purposes, but the other advantages of scheduling instate teams still pertain, IMHO.

laraccoon writes:

in response to VolzsFan:

ahhh, so. The hammer was already dropped on UT's program before Pearl got here. Remember, 500 ball. Losing to in state schools. Black curtains. NIT first round flame outs.....remember the arena. Than Pearl. New facilities, national respect, top 5 in attendance, top 5 in facilities, top 5 in SOS, #1 ranking, NCAA every year, Sweet 16s, Elite 8's. Yes, I remember the pre Pearl hammer that the previous coaches did to UT's hoops program.

Much like the decision to fire a Hall of Fame football coach was akin to dropping the hammer on UT football. You people make no sense nor understand anything about sports.. Tenn had at the same time:

1. Most successful football coach in school history (and SEC)

2. Most successful baseball coach in school history (and SEC)

3. Most successful coach in basketball in school history (working on the SEC)

4. One of the most successful track coaches in school history...

All of them in addition to the financial reserve is long gone.

Enjoy that change and fear the hammer LOL!!!

you know the scary part of your post is your thinking just like Cheek , he came out and said at the time "Pearl will be our coach going forward" my guess is Hamilton had no clue what to do and Pearl finally told them both you need to let me go and do whats right for these kids. Let them enjoy their time here ,give them a chance at post season ,dont lose schollys and whatever other restrictions they might place on the BBall program because of me. ive followed UT basketball since the 70's ,so im familiar with the lack of success over the years .Pearl was the best thing that ever happened to UT basketball but to put him ahead of the kids who he recruited and brought into the program would be selfish and im sure Bruce Pearl would be the first to tell you that !
"Enjoy that change and fear the hammer LOL!!!" im guessing by this statement you made your a bitter 60 something year old man whose kids dont even come to see him anymore because for years youve tried to tell them your always right and their always wrong .

VolGrad writes:

Pastner is out of touch with Memphis' own fans and perspective recruits if he thinks THEY don't want them to play Tennessee.

mike#208050 writes:

in response to trubleoj#657755:

#7 - Officially that is 1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men...

you can't brag about cheating.

Go ahead and brag about all those trips to the Final Four Bruce took you to.

A school that was caught cheating as bad as Pearl did, has no room to point fingers.

mike#208050 writes:

in response to NashvillePreds:

I will admit, UT wouldn't have been able to land D. Rose, as our school has actual standards when it comes to academics, and Rose would have had to take the ACT himself.
What are these mythical "NCAA banners" you speak of? Hasn't memphis been to two final fours, and both times the appearences were vacated due to the cheating at tiger high?
Let's look into the list a bit further:
1.) Not sure how that is relevent to the next big time players coming out of school, just ask R. Hubbs.
2.) See my comments above
3.) UT attendance is comparative with tiger high
4.) NBA scouts follow the players, not the program. Just ask Tobias.
5.) The big east is on the verge of implosion. I hope you were being tongue-in-cheek on that one
6.) See previous comments
7.) wow. The name of your team is the tigers... LSU, TSU, Mizzou, Auburn, Clemson, tiger high... very original... Also, blue and white... isn't that color taken, by say KY?

Tiger high = colossal joke
Enjoy the BIG ORANGE beat down on Friday

You obviously have never attended a Memphis game in the FedEX forum, so I will give you a pass on your ignorance about attendance. The University of Memphis has pretty much locked down the local talent in Memphis. Hence, Memphis doesn't need to play UT to prove anything.

Two top players this year from Memphis, Johnathon Williams III and JuJuan Johnson went to Missouri and Marquette instead of UT. Really? Do you think Memphis kids care about UT basketball? You might want to re-check the rankings of this recruiting class, Nick King & Austin Nichols are both ranked ahead of Robert Hubbs now.

Not only do NBA scouts attend almost every Memphis home game, but most of the Grizzly players do too. The pickup games are legendary in the off season! Allen Iverson's cousin is one of our new top recruits. We even have a former NBA all-star on the coaching staff.

There are so many former UT players currently in the NBA that I completely forgot about Tobias. Sorry, did he even attend any classes at UT? Story I heard was that he was just visiting anyway.

I believe it is UT that is struggling in the classroom with it's basketball program. I know you lost at least one scholarship while Bruce was Coaching. There is no such problems at Memphis. We have a high graduation rate. Two of the new recruits (King & Austin) are carrying 4pt grade point averages and were also offered scholarships to Duke.

I am sure I will enjoy the Big Orange beat down Friday because I will be there. I enjoyed both beat downs last year too. I was in Maui last year when Memphis won without a bigman left for the last 17 minutes of the game including all three overtimes. Next you will tell me to fear the orange pants! That just isn't going to happen dude. You are a little excited aren't you?

Hope you recover and enjoy the rest of the season.

GO Tigers GO!

mlynn1 writes:

in response to mike#208050:

You obviously have never attended a Memphis game in the FedEX forum, so I will give you a pass on your ignorance about attendance. The University of Memphis has pretty much locked down the local talent in Memphis. Hence, Memphis doesn't need to play UT to prove anything.

Two top players this year from Memphis, Johnathon Williams III and JuJuan Johnson went to Missouri and Marquette instead of UT. Really? Do you think Memphis kids care about UT basketball? You might want to re-check the rankings of this recruiting class, Nick King & Austin Nichols are both ranked ahead of Robert Hubbs now.

Not only do NBA scouts attend almost every Memphis home game, but most of the Grizzly players do too. The pickup games are legendary in the off season! Allen Iverson's cousin is one of our new top recruits. We even have a former NBA all-star on the coaching staff.

There are so many former UT players currently in the NBA that I completely forgot about Tobias. Sorry, did he even attend any classes at UT? Story I heard was that he was just visiting anyway.

I believe it is UT that is struggling in the classroom with it's basketball program. I know you lost at least one scholarship while Bruce was Coaching. There is no such problems at Memphis. We have a high graduation rate. Two of the new recruits (King & Austin) are carrying 4pt grade point averages and were also offered scholarships to Duke.

I am sure I will enjoy the Big Orange beat down Friday because I will be there. I enjoyed both beat downs last year too. I was in Maui last year when Memphis won without a bigman left for the last 17 minutes of the game including all three overtimes. Next you will tell me to fear the orange pants! That just isn't going to happen dude. You are a little excited aren't you?

Hope you recover and enjoy the rest of the season.

GO Tigers GO!

Mike, enjoy Memphis getting boat raced tonight by Tennessee.

volvann writes:

in response to mike#208050:

Memphis hasn't played all cupcakes, they have played Louisville, VCU and Minnesota this year too, all currently ranked. Is UT ready to play Memphis? That is what you need to be worried about.

CCM lost to Memphis twice last year. That is the most important stat.

As for that weak Conference USA, Tulane beat Alabama at their house just last week.

Oh Mike you are like your buddy Pastner, you are 'cherry picking' to prove a point rather than looking at the big picture. It is easy to pick out one or two things from a body of work, but at the end of the day the entire body of work will show its true colors....

volvann writes:

in response to wireless_vol:

U of Memphis is not in C-USA any longer.

Uhhh... This year they are playing a full Conference USA basketball schedule. They are not scheduled to move to the soon to be defunct Big East till next year... Funny how they move to a power conference, just as the power teams are leaving the conference. (And yes some of the teams had already signed to leave the Big East when Memphis decided to move...)

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