Cody Clay chooses Division II school over Tennessee

Cody Clay, a junior college offensive lineman who chose Division II Azusa Pacific College over Tennessee.

Cody Clay, a junior college offensive lineman who chose Division II Azusa Pacific College over Tennessee.

Cody Clay, a junior college offensive lineman who chose Division II Azusa Pacific College over Tennessee.

Cody Clay, a junior college offensive lineman who chose Division II Azusa Pacific College over Tennessee.

KNOXVILLE, Tennessee -- Here's a recruiting story you don't hear very often.

Junior college offensive lineman Cody Clay took an official visit to Tennessee last weekend. He told our partner GoVols247 that it was "nothing short of perfect."

Clay got plenty of personal time with new head coach Butch Jones, as he was the only official visitor on campus for the weekend. Clay wants to major in criminal justice. Jones is the son of a longtime police chief. They seemed to hit it off.

As he left for his flight back to California, Clay said that he was "definitely leaning toward" choosing Tennessee.

And then, on Monday night, GoVols247, Volquest and other sites reported that Clay had made his decision: He would play football at Azusa Pacific University in southern California.

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HopeisNotaCourseofAction writes:

The boys across the line in Azusa games aren't quite as imposing as what he would see in the SEC.

Uh huh, it's all about the CJ degree, yeah right.

Would not have worked out and been wasted scholly, no loss, move on.

DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho writes:

in response to HopeisNotaCourseofAction:

The boys across the line in Azusa games aren't quite as imposing as what he would see in the SEC.

Uh huh, it's all about the CJ degree, yeah right.

Would not have worked out and been wasted scholly, no loss, move on.

So Jones is offering kids that can't hang in the SEC? Interesting...

BigBadVol writes:

Another recruit afraid of the big boys. What ever happened to the recruit about three years ago that chose New Mexico over TN and other SEC schools? He was never heard from again. Good luck Cody on playing high school ball again.

volthrunthru#658770 writes:

VolFans, Hellooooooo...

Jones got the new WR because of relationships with former UT players, including the guy's dad. The players did not like Doodley, but Phillip Fulmer has taken a behind-the-scenes interest in this new coach, because Fulmer realizes that UT is in such a deep pit athletically,

due to the Prez's, Cheek's, Hart's, Hamilton's (and the presidents' for the last six years) mismanagement---and board of trustees' majority being on the wrong side of a lot of decisions---

that UT will be a bottom-dweller for another decade, if something is not done. So Fulmer is working behind the scenes.

Note what happens when all the factors would indicate that Jones can close the deal on a recruit that was leaning to UT---kid wants to be a cop, Jones' father was a cop, loved UT, had great visits, etc.

The former Tennessee lean made decisions based on the new former Cincinnati offensive line coach, Jones and the fact that a very, very good offensive line coach was fired by Jones, to bring in this "Best Staff in the U.S.A."

Oh, yeah...

Go Vols! (Thank goodness Fulmer and other long-term VOLS are working behind the scenes to help this new coaching staff. Jones had said he thought he could win in the SEC with State-of-Tennessee athletes. Fulmer explained to him---publicly that UT had to recruit nationally.

Hopefully Fulmer & the Vol Family can help this bunch get ready to coach and recruit in the SEC.

Otherwise UT will could more 2-star rated players from the Cincinnati metro. Maybe that's what they thought Coach Fulmer meant by "recruit nationally."

Optimistic that behind the scenes help---consistent with the NCAA rules, unlike Kiffen---is going on to help this bunch.

Rumblefish writes:

This recruiting list is scary. Scary bad...not scary good.

Empty seats will bring changes up on The Hill. Mr. Hart...I hope you have a good Real Estate Agent.

DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho writes:

in response to BigBadVol:

Another recruit afraid of the big boys. What ever happened to the recruit about three years ago that chose New Mexico over TN and other SEC schools? He was never heard from again. Good luck Cody on playing high school ball again.

Why is Butch Jones offering scholarships and hosting visits with players that are scared of competing in the SEC?

laraccoon writes:

sounds like all the romper room children are out today , see above moronic posts !

FWBVol writes:

Come on people, show a little class. Not everyone is born to be a Tennessee football player. None of us know this kid or the reasons behind his decision not to come to Tennessee. Maybe it dawned on him how much he would miss his family. Or maybe, as Evan suggested, he had to do with the fact that the kid wants to be on a Christian campus.

None of us had never heard the boy this time last week and now we have so-called fans bashing him for not choosing Tennessee. I'd rather a kid make the wrong choice not to attend UT than the wrong choice to attend UT. It's better that he make the decision before signing day, or in his case, early enrollment than to get to Knoxville and realize he made a mistake.

Yes, the kid's visit was a valuable official visit and it did take up some time of Butch Jones and some of the coaches. But I'd rather him take up the time now and decide Tennessee isn't the right fit than to see him get into spring practice or summer drills and head home.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to laraccoon:

sounds like all the romper room children are out today , see above moronic posts !

You actually think Butch Jones is doing a good job recruiting??? Get real.

PUL4VOLS writes:

Why...that's offensive. Nah, if he don't want to be here for whatever reason, that's his call. It is surprising that he would state he is leaning Tennessee's way then Asuza on off. But best to him. Now coaches go get those guys who will more than "lean" toward Tennessee.

jkleno#393970 writes:

I heard we wanted to become a surfer more than a football player.

PUL4VOLS writes:

Well I can see the experts on here at it again. The ink isn't dry on Coach Dooley's first severance check and here come the complaints. The new coach may still be living out of a motel and here come the complaints. Give it time people. Anyone who fooled himself/herself/itself into thinking a top recruiting class would just materialize this year, needs to rethink. Let's try to be content with the fact that we have to rebuild and let the coaches work from there. Meanwhile, it would be nice to be supportive until we see the team tanking. Oh yeah, the team has not even played a down nor practiced a moment under the new head coach but...here come the complaints. GO BIG ORANGE!

usafvol writes:

Coach Jones is doing good job recruiting and I feel we'll have a good class when all is said and done. Plenty of time left until signing day so some of you people need to take a deep breath and relax..

TheBigGipperNRealSports (Inactive) writes:

Sounds like he met a woman or a guy on his recruiting visit to the school of his choice. That is the only thing that would make a guy make an irrational decision.

BrassMonkey writes:

Here comes another year Zero.

Snapshot writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

VolFans, Hellooooooo...

Jones got the new WR because of relationships with former UT players, including the guy's dad. The players did not like Doodley, but Phillip Fulmer has taken a behind-the-scenes interest in this new coach, because Fulmer realizes that UT is in such a deep pit athletically,

due to the Prez's, Cheek's, Hart's, Hamilton's (and the presidents' for the last six years) mismanagement---and board of trustees' majority being on the wrong side of a lot of decisions---

that UT will be a bottom-dweller for another decade, if something is not done. So Fulmer is working behind the scenes.

Note what happens when all the factors would indicate that Jones can close the deal on a recruit that was leaning to UT---kid wants to be a cop, Jones' father was a cop, loved UT, had great visits, etc.

The former Tennessee lean made decisions based on the new former Cincinnati offensive line coach, Jones and the fact that a very, very good offensive line coach was fired by Jones, to bring in this "Best Staff in the U.S.A."

Oh, yeah...

Go Vols! (Thank goodness Fulmer and other long-term VOLS are working behind the scenes to help this new coaching staff. Jones had said he thought he could win in the SEC with State-of-Tennessee athletes. Fulmer explained to him---publicly that UT had to recruit nationally.

Hopefully Fulmer & the Vol Family can help this bunch get ready to coach and recruit in the SEC.

Otherwise UT will could more 2-star rated players from the Cincinnati metro. Maybe that's what they thought Coach Fulmer meant by "recruit nationally."

Optimistic that behind the scenes help---consistent with the NCAA rules, unlike Kiffen---is going on to help this bunch.

Just how do you know Fulmer is "working behind the scenes"?

Fulmer is not the coach anymore. He is not recruiting for UT, behind the scenes or otherwise, in my opinion.

AncientVolFan writes:

Perhaps Azusa offers a better criminal justice department and this is a academic decision. Perhaps he knows someone in their program.

Vol-TIL-I-FaLL writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

So Jones is offering kids that can't hang in the SEC? Interesting...

did u really expect him t be able to come in and jus snatch up alot of 4 and 5 star players..hes doing what he can to get players he feel he can coach up and at the same time add depth to a team that really has none because of the turmoil theyve been thru..can he be allowed to do his job without all the scoutin pros on here bashing..cordarrelle had never played on sec level, but he made everyone look like pop warner,and that was without a good coach,let it play out....

marVOLous writes:

I can see us starting to lose players to these states that have medical marijuana. They just get a doctor's note and then can smoke all the dope they want.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to PUL4VOLS:

Well I can see the experts on here at it again. The ink isn't dry on Coach Dooley's first severance check and here come the complaints. The new coach may still be living out of a motel and here come the complaints. Give it time people. Anyone who fooled himself/herself/itself into thinking a top recruiting class would just materialize this year, needs to rethink. Let's try to be content with the fact that we have to rebuild and let the coaches work from there. Meanwhile, it would be nice to be supportive until we see the team tanking. Oh yeah, the team has not even played a down nor practiced a moment under the new head coach but...here come the complaints. GO BIG ORANGE!

Nobody expects any recruiting class at any school to just "materialize".

However, some of us (myself included) expect the head coach at Tennessee to work hard and bring in some good recruits by doing so. Some of us (myself included) have bought enough tickets and $5 hot dogs to contribute to the new/fancy facilities at UT to help bring in good recruits.

laraccoon writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

You actually think Butch Jones is doing a good job recruiting??? Get real.

dude U T football didnt get in this shape overnight and if you think Butch Jones is going to put his name plate on his desk and kids will start lining up to play here your dumber than i tell people you are ! give him some time, he has won everywhere else he has been . how many college games you have coached and won ?

Rumblefish writes:

in response to laraccoon:

dude U T football didnt get in this shape overnight and if you think Butch Jones is going to put his name plate on his desk and kids will start lining up to play here your dumber than i tell people you are ! give him some time, he has won everywhere else he has been . how many college games you have coached and won ?

oh dear lord. the 'ol "how many college games have you coached and won?" garbage. Guess what....I'm no plastic surgeon, but I know a bad boob job when I see one!!!

I don't have to be a college coach to recognize a good recruiting class vs a bad one, and neither do you.

skyhawk836 writes:

You've seen a bad boob job?

Rumblefish writes:

in response to skyhawk836:

You've seen a bad boob job?

uhhh....who hasn't in their lifetime?

Ayres_Hall writes:

in response to AncientVolFan:

Perhaps Azusa offers a better criminal justice department and this is a academic decision. Perhaps he knows someone in their program.

Yea, there are a lot of logical reasons like some you noted but it's popular to spew hate and delusion.

Glad the kid didn't waste any more of our time and money.

Cousin_Eddie writes:

He's a religious guy and wanted to go to a Christian school. Big deal.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to skyhawk836:

You've seen a bad boob job?

Remember Tara Reid's red carpet flop?? Ugh...those things were hideous!

sly_stone99#434111 writes:

West Coast lifestyle can be addictive, they say.

HopeisNotaCourseofAction writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

So Jones is offering kids that can't hang in the SEC? Interesting...

My comment was not a reflection on the coach, he can't know for sure what is in this kid's melon. Coach is coming in late, having to grasp for whatever scraps may be left or try and turn some kids who have said they are going elsewhere. He must have thought he could coach this kid up, but we'll never know.

This kid was a recruiting table scrap, had no long list of other schools after him. Let's keep it real, not like a 5* walked away after "leaning UT".

Azusa is the best fit for him in his opinion, and his is really the only one that counts.

So if he told Butch he was ready to play big boys ball, but inside knew he was not, "Hello Azusa, look at me - I turned down the Univ of Tennessee to play for your proud and glorious football program, now pass me those knee britches and some mo taters and gravy!"

born2ride writes:

Gosh, it is one thing for a UT coach to lose recruits to Bama and Florida but Azusa Pacific?

Ironcity writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

oh dear lord. the 'ol "how many college games have you coached and won?" garbage. Guess what....I'm no plastic surgeon, but I know a bad boob job when I see one!!!

I don't have to be a college coach to recognize a good recruiting class vs a bad one, and neither do you.

Dude, relationships have been built between these kids and the schools they are considering for well over a year. Jones is tasked to come in and in 30-60 days convince a kid to trust him above the guys who he has know for more then a year. Thats almost impossible to do. Jones is doing a good job of filling needs but your a fool if you think he is going to turn the most sought after players in the country with a couple text and few conversations. Its telling that the highest rated players on our list either had UT at the top already or had relationships with other schools who have had turnover as well.

I like the work Jones appears to be doing for 2014. if Jones is to succeed thats got to be the year for recruiting. I also like that he is smart enough to take advantage of some opportunities with legacies like Wharton and Jenkins. How he ends up nobody knows but so far he is doing the right things and I am more hopeful today then I was at anytime the last three years (except maybe at the beginning of this year when I drank the orange koolaid and ignored what I knew to be true that Dooley was a lousy coach).

Sunshine27 writes:

Hmmm, Alabama wins 2 National Championships in a row, 3 in the last 4 years. Tennessee loses a OL recruit to a Div 2 school. Wow, talk about down times.

CoverOrange writes:

Clay also visited Utah and was impressed there. He is a two star. My guess is he was being nice by saying nice things about Tennessee and Utah, but realized playing time would likely be limited behind a veteran, senior laden line (at Tennessee at least). If you don't have realistic hopes of making the pros why not go where you know you'll get to play the last two years of your organized football life? Good luck, Cody. You're welcome for the free trip.

StoneJackBaller writes:

I'd be willing to bet that this kid smokes pot on a regular basis and fears he would have to give it up to play in the SEC. At Azusa Pacific, the name alone almost invites dope smokers. He's making a lifestyle decision. We're better off without him.

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

Hey Evan Woodberry, why don't you do us all a favor and leave Knoxville. Hey KNS, wanna know why I only buy 1news paper per week? 1) YOU SUCK!!!! 2) to check the bulliten section to see what travel teams have try outs and where the travel tournaments are for my kids. Other than that I actually make an effort to NOT buy your paper! And it's because of JUNK LIKE THIS! This headline is degrading to the program and misleading. You need to hire some writers who are truthful in their statements. You also need to hire some writers who aren't anti UT. Not homers, but not a bunch of nerds who CLEARLY have an agenda against the University they are SUPPOSED to cover in an UNBIASED manner.

The reason for my rant...why didn't you disclose the part about the kid not feeling comfortable about playing in an environment like UT/SEC. Because that's EXACTLY what happened. He felt it was a bit much for his liking so he went a bit smaller with his choice. Instead, your hacks CLEARLY gave their best attempt to make it sound like Tennessee got slapped down by a 2* player for some school 99% of society has never heard of. All I ask is get the REAL STORY before you turn your "writers" loose with non factual articles and headlines that make the program look bad.

Funny...I come on here for the first time in forever (because KNS is a JOKE), and see this negative misleading headline. But not ONE DAMN WORD about this official visits comming in the next few weeks. Perhaps that would be too positive and would actual prove just how much work CBJ and staff has actually put in.

And I'm sure this post will get deleted or perhaps my account. And that's fine. But it's a sad day when a metro area of 600k can't have a decent news paper. Better yet decent writers to cover a program the magnitude of UTs. The key contributors Driving the negativity around are program are the writers for the Knoxville News Sentinal. But it's glaringly obvious that your guys get their thrills by doing so....and it's really SAD!

Other than that, I really don't have much to say.

notorange writes:

in response to StoneJackBaller:

I'd be willing to bet that this kid smokes pot on a regular basis and fears he would have to give it up to play in the SEC. At Azusa Pacific, the name alone almost invites dope smokers. He's making a lifestyle decision. We're better off without him.

You only have to give it up in the sec if you get caught...;)

Rumblefish writes:

in response to Rich_Is_Re-born:

Hey Evan Woodberry, why don't you do us all a favor and leave Knoxville. Hey KNS, wanna know why I only buy 1news paper per week? 1) YOU SUCK!!!! 2) to check the bulliten section to see what travel teams have try outs and where the travel tournaments are for my kids. Other than that I actually make an effort to NOT buy your paper! And it's because of JUNK LIKE THIS! This headline is degrading to the program and misleading. You need to hire some writers who are truthful in their statements. You also need to hire some writers who aren't anti UT. Not homers, but not a bunch of nerds who CLEARLY have an agenda against the University they are SUPPOSED to cover in an UNBIASED manner.

The reason for my rant...why didn't you disclose the part about the kid not feeling comfortable about playing in an environment like UT/SEC. Because that's EXACTLY what happened. He felt it was a bit much for his liking so he went a bit smaller with his choice. Instead, your hacks CLEARLY gave their best attempt to make it sound like Tennessee got slapped down by a 2* player for some school 99% of society has never heard of. All I ask is get the REAL STORY before you turn your "writers" loose with non factual articles and headlines that make the program look bad.

Funny...I come on here for the first time in forever (because KNS is a JOKE), and see this negative misleading headline. But not ONE DAMN WORD about this official visits comming in the next few weeks. Perhaps that would be too positive and would actual prove just how much work CBJ and staff has actually put in.

And I'm sure this post will get deleted or perhaps my account. And that's fine. But it's a sad day when a metro area of 600k can't have a decent news paper. Better yet decent writers to cover a program the magnitude of UTs. The key contributors Driving the negativity around are program are the writers for the Knoxville News Sentinal. But it's glaringly obvious that your guys get their thrills by doing so....and it's really SAD!

Other than that, I really don't have much to say.

Wow Rich.

I agree with you though. KNS does have some hacks for writers. But...it's all we've got for now.

KNS...please heed Rich's suggestions, as they are echoed by many of your readers. The blatant negativity to drive up comment numbers is so boringly transparent.

8inarow writes:

As it is a new year, and I am resolving to be much kinder to the human race and Vol fans alike, therefore I am not going to comment on this article.

aspenvol2 writes:

Woodbury becoming a junior John Adams? What a stupid article.

Witch_Doctors writes:

Witch Doctor say facts kinda twisted to write this..slanted? Why KNS ? Witch Doctor doubt you can stand more loss in subscribers. Witch Doctor say time to do things different over there.
Bones never lie.

pcorange writes:

Who cares? I didn't think we needed to go after a kid who was choosing between UT, UConn, and Azusa wherever the hell it is anyway. We ought to be going toe to toe with Bama, SC, and the like, not looking down to kids like this one. Just my opinion.

Witch_Doctors writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctor say facts kinda twisted to write this..slanted? Why KNS ? Witch Doctor doubt you can stand more loss in subscribers. Witch Doctor say time to do things different over there.
Bones never lie.

Witch Doctor say "twisted" not the right word.."massaged" facts to create this...there better.
Bones never lie.

oskie_score writes:

Evan mentions the importance of time...hmmm, so CBJ pursues yet another low-to-average rated O-Lineman and in this case comes up empty. Remind me again how much time he's invested/investing recruiting OG Reeve Koehler (#9 OG Nat'l, #159 in 247's Top 247), a player some thought a one time silent to Tennessee and whose teammate (Goeas) was already committed?
What's that ol' saying, "A bird in the hand..." well, CBJ had two talented birds in his hand. Now Goeas is Lawrence bound and I anticipate Koehler is too. There's concern that Skipper may go elsewhere too.
Recruiting is a programs life blood. NSD is less than 30 days away...proof is in the pudding / results. Fingers crossed for my beloved Vols.

VFL!
Go Vols!

TNVOLNTX writes:

Why all the negativity? The kid was obviously torn between playing for a traditional SEC power versus following his heart and playing for a Christian college. It's not a snub to Tennessee that, in the end, he followed his religious roots and chose the latter. There is no story here.

LovinMyVols writes:

Cody obviously thinks Jesus is more important than football. I will not argue with him on that point.

Best of sucess in life and football Mr. Clay.

Rich_Is_Re-born writes:

in response to GlennFordsFoible:

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You could have saved all that typing by saying I DON'T HAVE A CLUE!!!! You do realize that by comparing their career records PRIOR TO COMING TO THE SEC that Butch Jones has a better win % than did Les Myles, Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier don't you? Check their records prior to coaching in the SEC and get back at me. You do know this kid was being offered as an insurance policy in case we miss on some bigger guys don't you? It's late in the game and he has to do what he has to do to assemble a class. And I know some won't believe it, but under Dooley, this class wasn't gonna be that great. It was probably gonna be outside of the top 25. People were starting to see that Dooley's product he was saling just didn't match up with our competitors. He was failing MISERABLY in-state. Not only this year, but next year as well.

I'm sure you don't have a clue who all will be here for official and unofficial visits over the next month, do you? Guys like Christian Morris the big 4* OT from Memphis, UCLA commit who Dooley basically ignored. Now it's looking like he'll more than likely flip to us after he visits. CBJ has gotten us in a VERY good position with the #2 player in the Nation DE Carl Lawson along with stud RB Alvin Kamara. There is a chance we land these guys. There was ZERO chance under Dooley. That's a fact. In fact, our newest commit from Ga is really good friends with Kamara and Lawson. So much that Lawson changed his visit from the 11th to the 18th so they can all 3 come together. Our newest commit was huge in the sense that he's very connected and respect by many top players and by de-commuting from Clemson to us has opened some eyes, has players wondering what's going on at UT. He has generated momentum for us. We are also back in it for Frank Herron 4* DE from Memphis, current LSU commit. He's another one Dooley completely dropped the ball on even though he had interest. After speaking with CBJ he has stated that he is in fact VERY INTERESTED in what Tennessee has to offer and wants to get up here to visit.

I see where someone above posted that we only got our newest commit because "his dad played for UT". LOL, really? Perhaps that's why he was a Clemson committ and his brother plays for Clemson. He said himself that Dooley didn't show him much love, kid grew up loving UT. Butch has also repaired the relationships with the rest of the Vol Legacies in next years class that Dooley very well might not have gotten. Evan and Elliot Berry, Dillon Bates, Nieko Creamer, Isaiah McDaniel, Todd Kelly Jr. These dudes are all blue chip players, a couple will be 5*s, and all love Butch Jones. I can assure you as of late, recruits, HS coaches, and parents haven't had glowing reports on Dooley and his arrogance. Butch Jones is laying the ground work for a top 15-20 class this year. He's laying the groundwork for a top 5-10 class next year. This isn't opinion, it's fact. So do us all a favor. Do some research before you smash the coach.

easleychuck writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

Nobody expects any recruiting class at any school to just "materialize".

However, some of us (myself included) expect the head coach at Tennessee to work hard and bring in some good recruits by doing so. Some of us (myself included) have bought enough tickets and $5 hot dogs to contribute to the new/fancy facilities at UT to help bring in good recruits.

My response to you and the "some of us" that you are speaking for should quit showing your complete lack of knowledge about how the recruiting process works.

Point 1: Teams that have been winning usually do well in the succeeding year of recruiting.

Point 2: Big time football programs that have had 4 head coaches over a 6 year period have to rebuild their entire recruiting process.

Point 3: Assistant coaches do the legwork in recruiting....just how many assistants do YOU think (I will help you....around 45 or so)have been on the road representing UT during the past few years. Relationships are a huge part of the recruiting process. Coach Jones and all but one of his assistants have been on the job a few weeks.

Point 4: All bigtime football powers have amazing facilities. UT just completed their upgrades recently...so many of the kids that have been "recruits" for the past few years never saw the finished product.

Based on what Coach Jones has been doing in the areas of fence mending with the former players, etc. I challenge you to produce any evidence that he is not working hard to bring in "some good recruits" to the university.

Last time I checked, anyone pays for their seats are entitled to well seats. Your decision to pay $5 for a hotdog is oon you.

mlynn1 writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

Nobody expects any recruiting class at any school to just "materialize".

However, some of us (myself included) expect the head coach at Tennessee to work hard and bring in some good recruits by doing so. Some of us (myself included) have bought enough tickets and $5 hot dogs to contribute to the new/fancy facilities at UT to help bring in good recruits.

Pityfull, just pityfull. Between fans like you and the trolls this is not even an interesting site to visit anymore.

mlynn1 writes:

in response to easleychuck:

My response to you and the "some of us" that you are speaking for should quit showing your complete lack of knowledge about how the recruiting process works.

Point 1: Teams that have been winning usually do well in the succeeding year of recruiting.

Point 2: Big time football programs that have had 4 head coaches over a 6 year period have to rebuild their entire recruiting process.

Point 3: Assistant coaches do the legwork in recruiting....just how many assistants do YOU think (I will help you....around 45 or so)have been on the road representing UT during the past few years. Relationships are a huge part of the recruiting process. Coach Jones and all but one of his assistants have been on the job a few weeks.

Point 4: All bigtime football powers have amazing facilities. UT just completed their upgrades recently...so many of the kids that have been "recruits" for the past few years never saw the finished product.

Based on what Coach Jones has been doing in the areas of fence mending with the former players, etc. I challenge you to produce any evidence that he is not working hard to bring in "some good recruits" to the university.

Last time I checked, anyone pays for their seats are entitled to well seats. Your decision to pay $5 for a hotdog is oon you.

Save your breath easleychuck, fans have a right to voice their opinion, no matter how stupid they are.

Ironcity writes:

in response to oskie_score:

Evan mentions the importance of time...hmmm, so CBJ pursues yet another low-to-average rated O-Lineman and in this case comes up empty. Remind me again how much time he's invested/investing recruiting OG Reeve Koehler (#9 OG Nat'l, #159 in 247's Top 247), a player some thought a one time silent to Tennessee and whose teammate (Goeas) was already committed?
What's that ol' saying, "A bird in the hand..." well, CBJ had two talented birds in his hand. Now Goeas is Lawrence bound and I anticipate Koehler is too. There's concern that Skipper may go elsewhere too.
Recruiting is a programs life blood. NSD is less than 30 days away...proof is in the pudding / results. Fingers crossed for my beloved Vols.

VFL!
Go Vols!

Goeas was not a player that fit our system. I am tired of getting players that will never see the field that transfer or sit around like dead weight. Koehler has no relationship with this staff and if we go to a zone blocking scheme then he will not be really effective. Losing guys like this happens all the time when their is a coaching change. Thats the problem with changing coaches every few years. I also like that Jones encouraged (pull schoolys) recruits to look elsewhere that did not fit what he wants to do. Its what needed to be done. he did everyone of those guys a favor.

As for getting a super class immediately, with 80% of the top players already committed, I am not sure why you think Jones is going to walk in to a stud recruits house say hello and convince a guy who he has known for all of an hour to say I am coming to UT when other coaches have invested years to build the trust. Your expectations for this class are idiotic.

As for Clay he was added depth for the short term. I personally like what Jones has done so far. I would be happy if we only sign 22 players if it allowed us to really have a big class next year. Dooley left this team in the crapper just like Kiffin did and just like Fulmer.

Lets see what Jones can do. Their is hope that Dooley was such a bad coach that talent on campus is a lot better then what it showed on the field last year.

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