Notre Dame No. 1? According to a BCS computer, Fighting Irish still better than Alabama

Alabama head coach Nick Saban speaks at a BCS National Championship college football game news conference Tuesday, Jan. 8, 2013, in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. Alabama defeated Notre Dame 42-14 Monday night to win the national championship. (AP Photo/Morry Gash)

Alabama head coach Nick Saban speaks at a BCS National Championship college football game news conference Tuesday, Jan. 8, 2013, in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. Alabama defeated Notre Dame 42-14 Monday night to win the national championship. (AP Photo/Morry Gash)

Computers might be becoming more advanced every day, but clearly they still can't see.

How else to explain the fact that one of the computer rankings that is used in the BCS formula still lists Notre Dame as the No. 1 team and Alabama as the No. 2 team?

And yet, that is exactly what the Colley Matrix does, despite crediting the Crimson Tide with beating the Fighting Irish 42-14 in the BCS title game as being Alabama's best win of the season, and despite also crediting coach Nick Saban's team with more wins over Top 25 teams than Notre Dame.

As CBS Sports Tom Fornelli first reported in his blog, the shocking oddity is sure to raise a few eyebrows, and serves as further proof that, for many, college football's playoff can't get here soon enough.

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oldvolsfan writes:

garbage in garbage out

jakethevolguy writes:

That computer is probably owned by NBC.

LCPanthers (Inactive) writes:

Alabama killed them.Irish did not belong in BCS game.

volnbig11land writes:

hahahahaha,

Thanks for the Friday laugh.

The BCS did, does and always will, stink!

arkyvol writes:

according to the gallup poll, president dewey was elected in 1948.

JtDL writes:

The problem isn't using computers to rank teams. The problem is disallowing margin of victory and then using stupid formulae.

lknvol writes:

in response to oldvolsfan:

garbage in garbage out

Exactly!!!! The only way to determne a champion is on the field. That's why they play the game! The NCAA should be embarrassed!!

volaholic45 writes:

The computer also said the QB's mom is hotter than his girlfriend.

CrankE writes:

It's just a matter of time before the next Updyke or Downing performs an act on that computer.

GreeneVol writes:

How embarrassing. Colley Matrix, you can probably say bye-bye to being part of the BCS formula. Oregon ought to look into a lawsuit for their coefficient possibly being distorted by these miscalcs.

Sir_Spanky writes:

Proof that selfish morons are behind the system. Bowl games were pretty much a joke this year - across the board. Not fun. It's way past time to quit depriving the masses for the $$ benefit of the few.

rollonbeagles writes:

Since Ala. did a kneel down the entire 2nd half this really shows how goofy the computer is. The score could have been 56 to nothing if Saban had chosen too. I know a lot of Vol fans don't like Saban but I do. And ND had no business playing in a championship game. I don't know who should have been in there against Ala. Maybe Green Bay..

orange_eVOLution writes:

That's why the BCS is BS.

60s70s80s90s00s10sallvol writes:

in response to volaholic45:

The computer also said the QB's mom is hotter than his girlfriend.

It's no wonder brent Musburger's middle name is Woody. Hey the Mom was pretty hot too. When your my age the girlfriend would be a little Musburgery, Musburgerish (creepy) but the Mom now...... Just saying :-)

volaholic45 writes:

in response to Sir_Spanky:

Proof that selfish morons are behind the system. Bowl games were pretty much a joke this year - across the board. Not fun. It's way past time to quit depriving the masses for the $$ benefit of the few.

We may have seen the birth of Occupy BCS, led by Sir Spanky. To the guillotines with those one-percenters! Forward! The "system" is depriving the masses of fun, so that it can get more money for the selfish, greedy few . . . somehow.

alfrizzle097 writes:

in response to rollonbeagles:

Since Ala. did a kneel down the entire 2nd half this really shows how goofy the computer is. The score could have been 56 to nothing if Saban had chosen too. I know a lot of Vol fans don't like Saban but I do. And ND had no business playing in a championship game. I don't know who should have been in there against Ala. Maybe Green Bay..

Notre Dame beat four ranked teams in the top 20 when they played during the regular season, two of which were in the top 10 at the time. Alabama beat three teams ranked in the top 20 at the time, two in the top 10.

Notre Dame's best win was over Stanford who finished ranked #6. Alabama's was over LSU who finished number 8.

The only real difference in the resumes was that Alabama lost a game to one of the top 25 teams it played.

That and the SEC championship game where Alabama beat #3 Georgia for the best win of the season.

Moral of the story, all teams should play in a conference to be eligible for the playoff. All eleven conferences play a championship game. Champions get an automatic bid. Five at large teams. BOOM! Sixteen team playoff.

sly_stone99#434111 writes:

Same computer that confirmed the Mayan's prediction.

mrvol2u writes:

in response to oldvolsfan:

garbage in garbage out

Yes and maybe the guy behind the curtain knew he was distorting the data and wanted to be seen!

PureOrange writes:

Common sense cannot be put into the computer. Giving teams credit for wins against any other team, rather than realizing all teams are not equal. Playing in the SEC is a totally different world than any other college football.

tennrich1 writes:

in response to jakethevolguy:

That computer is probably owned by NBC.

This has got to be it...NBC taints everything else with its incredible, unprofessional, agenda-driven message that it would only stand to reason having Norte Dame on its network would give it cause to skew the computers to "drive its agenda home"....I agree 100%....there's a reason why NBC, MSNBC, CNBC etc etc ALWAYS finishes at the very bottom of rankings...thanks for an intelligent insight...

emailnodata (Inactive) writes:

32 teams, 6 weeks, get it done.

thevoice writes:

in response to emailnodata:

32 teams, 6 weeks, get it done.

When is the last time a No. 32 team won the NC going into Bowl Season? I vote for 8. 32 would bring more $$ though.

stevefrommemphis writes:

If Notre Dame counted national championships the way Bama does, the Irish would go ahead and claim it, and it would be about their 35th all-time.

MONGOloveSHERIFFbart writes:

Top 16 and that's it.

HighPlainsVol writes:

in response to lknvol:

Exactly!!!! The only way to determne a champion is on the field. That's why they play the game! The NCAA should be embarrassed!!

It was decided on the field. Alabubba hoisted the trophy not the pathetic Irish. Nobody cares what the computer said, Bamer is the National Champion and it will be so reflected forevermore. Having said that, I prefer an 8-team playoff.

voloffaith writes:

in response to rollonbeagles:

Since Ala. did a kneel down the entire 2nd half this really shows how goofy the computer is. The score could have been 56 to nothing if Saban had chosen too. I know a lot of Vol fans don't like Saban but I do. And ND had no business playing in a championship game. I don't know who should have been in there against Ala. Maybe Green Bay..

Actually should have been notre dame vs Ohio St. But since buckys took bowl game previous year instead of self imposing ban then they missed out this year on being in THE GAME. No disrespect to bama. Ideally it would have been bama vs Coach Irby's minions.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

Okay, so ND really is the NCAA champion?? I hate to say anything, but ESPN is the worst thing to happen to CFB..They banged on the bowl system until Roy Kramer came up with the bowl alliance=BCS (which had NYD the greatest CFB day of the year) butchered and separated..Now, they are clamoring for a 4 team playoff which will only give another SEC team a chance to play for the title..In retrospect their constant berating of CFB to find the best deactivated their best shot at ignoring the SEC, by voting for their favorite teams on Jan 2nd. The irony is unbelievable, because add in this mindset to the late 80's/early 90's UT probably wins a couple of NCAA titles based on what they did head to head in a playoff. The voters can't just gang up on their favorite team and vote them in and that's just killing the sportswriters..Too funny.

RollTideJoe writes:

in response to rollonbeagles:

Since Ala. did a kneel down the entire 2nd half this really shows how goofy the computer is. The score could have been 56 to nothing if Saban had chosen too. I know a lot of Vol fans don't like Saban but I do. And ND had no business playing in a championship game. I don't know who should have been in there against Ala. Maybe Green Bay..

Beagles, you are right. He's intense and especially when dealing with the media (which doesn't bother me because generally they're a pain in the duff). But, he is a master at what he does, works endlessly, and here is the real key to the man........the kids respect him, he really develops the person not just the player, he 'requires' class attendance and passing grades, and he puts up with no bunk and the kids know it. So, he doesn't have many problems and when he does, they get corrected and punished and many times aren't around anymore. He interviews them with their parents (guardians) to see what kind of environment they've been in. He wants to know if they attend church. He truly works hard to determine the character of the player and oftentimes doesn't puruse a kid that he sees will be nothing but a problem even if he's a good ballplayer. Is he perfect? No, but he's one heck of a coach. You are right, Sir.

emailnodata (Inactive) writes:

in response to thevoice:

When is the last time a No. 32 team won the NC going into Bowl Season? I vote for 8. 32 would bring more $$ though.

@the
Yeah, but think about these situations:
-Louisville, this past year.
-a young team that starts slow but finishes strong (used to be UT quite often)
-a good team in a weak conference.

32 is good math, easy scheduling, and really gets everyone.

Another option is seed 4 teams with a by, then go with an additional 24. Might be more palatable to some folks.

emailnodata (Inactive) writes:

Changes I'd make:
NCAAF: 32 team playoff
NCAAB: ALL teams, but 48 are seeded to the Dance. The other 16 are played into in a week-long 'play-in' tournament.

6972 writes:

This is a mis-print. Right? Or the computer must have had a virus when it spit that BS out. Send a tech out from one of those Ivy League schools to fix it.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to thevoice:

When is the last time a No. 32 team won the NC going into Bowl Season? I vote for 8. 32 would bring more $$ though.

16 would be the most fair, 12 major conference winners and 4 at large bids.

rtrchatt writes:

Must be the ND color matched fb shoes and socks with stripes on the back. Who wears this stuff? Not the national champions. Same unis for ever and tradition like no other.... Bama fb

SignalMtnVol writes:

in response to volaholic45:

The computer also said the QB's mom is hotter than his girlfriend.

Clearly, the computer has an appreciation for life experience...... ;)

voloffaith writes:

in response to rtrchatt:

Must be the ND color matched fb shoes and socks with stripes on the back. Who wears this stuff? Not the national champions. Same unis for ever and tradition like no other.... Bama fb

I think I heard a collective yawn to your lil post.....Shula,Price,Dubose, to name a few. Look we've all had them so your "Tradition" is spotty like all. What was your program like prior to da Bear? What was it like after? Stallings and Perkins did a good jobs then.... so enjoy this stint with the great sabini for a few more years then....when does his daughter graduate? Watch that timeline y'all

orangecountyvols writes:

What they need would be a 2nd computer. 2 computers...........let them slug it out with each other.

What a joke. Alabama did in fact prove itself on the field, and if the Pitt field goal kicker hadn't missed the chip shot in overtime, the Irish would have been in some other bowl.

A & M. Oregon, anyone would have been better.
Last season, Alabama was allowed to have a mulligan and played LSU a 2nd time. It might have been interesting if A & M had been given this opportunity.........even though they too, proved it the first time.

Computers..........what a joke. Call the Geek squad to fix it.

Snapshot writes:

You know if the roles were reversed the bammers would claim it as another one of their 47 "mythical" championships!

traderjoe writes:

LOL...yeah, Bama's victory was a fluke...the computers are right...or so all those yankees would love to believe. ND was lucky it wasn't 63 - 0. Looks like Kelly has had his moment of glory. What does it say about a guy who moves on every 3 years? A fluke? Afraid he can't repeat? CJ should be after everyone of ND's recruits if they're worth recruiting.

RockVegas writes:

Yea Right.I do not like Alabama but I give credit when it's do.Hell they might win again next year,they have The players and The coaches they do not rebuild they just keep rolling,I thought they were lucky but they are Damn good bottom line.ND looked like a middle school team,against Bama.I just wonder when will it end? Can't Beat'em Join'em,that's The old saying....LOL...GBO.

jakethevolguy writes:

in response to tennrich1:

This has got to be it...NBC taints everything else with its incredible, unprofessional, agenda-driven message that it would only stand to reason having Norte Dame on its network would give it cause to skew the computers to "drive its agenda home"....I agree 100%....there's a reason why NBC, MSNBC, CNBC etc etc ALWAYS finishes at the very bottom of rankings...thanks for an intelligent insight...

Exactly, and you're welcome.

oldster writes:

The human who set up the program needs to go back to the drawing board.

oldster writes:

in response to volaholic45:

The computer also said the QB's mom is hotter than his girlfriend.

She is! (Please note my handle).

AllforTenn writes:

in response to voloffaith:

Actually should have been notre dame vs Ohio St. But since buckys took bowl game previous year instead of self imposing ban then they missed out this year on being in THE GAME. No disrespect to bama. Ideally it would have been bama vs Coach Irby's minions.

What fantastically ridiculous reasoning.

orangecountyvols writes:

in response to rtrchatt:

Must be the ND color matched fb shoes and socks with stripes on the back. Who wears this stuff? Not the national champions. Same unis for ever and tradition like no other.... Bama fb

RTR,

This is one of the rare times I'll agree with you. The best and most tradition rich schools don't mess around with changing the uniform looks. Alabama, Penn State, LSU, Tennessee, Oklahoma, etc.

Then there is Notre Dame, ( can't decide upon blue or green ) Oregon, Va Tech, Maryland, etc. The latter group resembles arena football in appearance.

volfan2002 writes:

I think that computer is ready for the junk pile. Alabama would have pounded anybody they played in the nation in that title game.

lowerbamavol writes:

if this had been the other way around, Bama would have counted this as another nat champ.

gobigorange5090 writes:

in response to LCPanthers:

Alabama killed them.Irish did not belong in BCS game.

Who DID belong?

springtx_vol writes:

in response to alfrizzle097:

Notre Dame beat four ranked teams in the top 20 when they played during the regular season, two of which were in the top 10 at the time. Alabama beat three teams ranked in the top 20 at the time, two in the top 10.

Notre Dame's best win was over Stanford who finished ranked #6. Alabama's was over LSU who finished number 8.

The only real difference in the resumes was that Alabama lost a game to one of the top 25 teams it played.

That and the SEC championship game where Alabama beat #3 Georgia for the best win of the season.

Moral of the story, all teams should play in a conference to be eligible for the playoff. All eleven conferences play a championship game. Champions get an automatic bid. Five at large teams. BOOM! Sixteen team playoff.

I agree in principal with your playoff scenario, however, there aren't enough teams to have 11 conferences with championship games. That requires 132 teams and that all the teams be in a conference. Plus, I have a problem with only 5 at large bids if you are truly looking to find the team that is playing the best at the end of the season. This year, who would you have chosen from:

Texas A&M
Florida (don't laugh, they pummelled FSU and just didn't want to play in the Sugar Bowl).
Georgia
Oregon
Clemson
LSU?
Oklahoma
(without probation, Penn State or OSU)
South Carolina

I agree with 16 teams. I submit that you use the bowls to host the last two rounds, and maybe the round of 8. If you don't play the round of 16 on campuses, you will end up with poor attendance, just like the first round of the NCAA basketball tournament.

FYI, Notre Dame doesn't make my Top 10. Stanford is over-rated at #6, Oklahoma was way overrated. Notre Dame really only played 2 decent team and 1 good one, Alabama. Alabama played 3 really good teams (and lost to one), plus 2 or 3 others that were decent.

Finally, I don't know if Tennessee would have beaten Notre Dame this year, but there supposedly top defense would have been ripped for 500 plus yards the way they play pass defense. If Stanford had a passing game, they would have drilled Notre Dame. Notre Dame was very lucky with the draw and the relative weakness of everyone they played this year.

rollonbeagles writes:

in response to voloffaith:

Actually should have been notre dame vs Ohio St. But since buckys took bowl game previous year instead of self imposing ban then they missed out this year on being in THE GAME. No disrespect to bama. Ideally it would have been bama vs Coach Irby's minions.

No it shouldn't have been Ohio State or ND. If we have learned anything in the last 7 years it is that the Southeast conference is playing superior football as compared to the rest of the country. This may not last forever but there is absolutely no doubt about that right now. So the best two teams in this conference should be playing for the NC if we really want to see the best playing the best,

P.S. Had ND or your Buckeyes played an SEC schedule neither would have gone undefeated.

KVCrockett writes:

It is time for N.Dame to join a conference in all sports!

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