John Adams: Vols chasing Vanderbilt in recruiting

John Adams
Vanderbilt running back Brian Kimbrow runs for a touchdown in the third quarter of an NCAA college football game against Massachusetts on Saturday, Oct. 27, 2012, in Nashville, Tenn. Vanderbilt won 49-7. (AP Photo/Wade Payne)

Vanderbilt running back Brian Kimbrow runs for a touchdown in the third quarter of an NCAA college football game against Massachusetts on Saturday, Oct. 27, 2012, in Nashville, Tenn. Vanderbilt won 49-7. (AP Photo/Wade Payne)

The SEC wins one national championship in football and immediately starts building for another. You can check out the recruiting service of your choice to see how it's doing.

In fact, the recruiting top 25 for 2013 glows just as brightly from an SEC vantage point as the final top 25 for the 2012 season, which had five conference teams in the top nine and two more in the top 25.

Vanderbilt is in both top 25s. Imagine that.

It has been hard enough recently for Tennessee to compete with the likes of Alabama, Florida and Georgia on the field and in recruiting. Now, it has to worry about Vanderbilt under second-year coach James Franklin.

That's just what the Vols didn't need.

Vanderbilt always has had something to sell — great academics and a good city. But at some crucial point in the conversation between recruiter and recruit, the subject of winning would come up.

Dead air.

There hasn't been much dead air with Franklin, who has succeeded in recruiting where so many of his predecessors failed. He recruited a top-25 class last season even though a bowl defeat left the Commodores with more losses than wins. It makes you wonder how well he will capitalize on the program's first nine-win season since 1915.

It also makes you wonder how that will impact the Vols and new coach Butch Jones.

Almost everywhere UT turns in the Southeast recruiting region, it bumps into a program seemingly on the rise. Alabama just won back-to-back national titles; Georgia finished No. 5 in the country; Clemson and South Carolina each won 11 games; North Carolina posted its best record (8-4) since 1997 under first-year coach Larry Fedora; and Ole Miss and Mississippi State finished with winning records in the same season for the first time since 2000.

The Vols, who have had three consecutive losing seasons, no longer have to leave their own state to compete against a higher-ranked opponent. ESPN currently ranks Vanderbilt's 2013 class No. 17 — 13 spots ahead of Tennessee's.

Perhaps the Vols will finish strong and overtake the Commodores. But the idea that UT even needs a recruiting surge to overtake Vanderbilt must be alarming to its fans, especially after a 41-18 loss to the Commodores in November.

You will find out much more about Franklin's 2012 recruiting class this fall.

Brian Kimbrow, a four-star running back from Memphis, demonstrated his potential as a freshman. So did freshman backup linebackers Jake Sealand and Darreon Herring, who will assume more prominent roles this fall, as will defensive end Caleb Azubike.

The success of the class might ultimately be determined by the six offensive

linemen Franklin signed. If the majority of them pan out, that bodes well for Vanderbilt's future offenses.

Former Maryville High School star Patton Robinette also could be a factor in those offenses. The 6-foot-4 Robinette will compete with Austyn Carta-Samuels to succeed Jordan Rodgers as the Commodores' starting quarterback.

Carta-Samuels, who backed up Rodgers this past season, has more experience. He was the Mountain West Conference freshman of the year in 2010 at Wyoming before transferring. However, Robinette impressed the Commodores in his redshirt season.

Robinette wants to be a physician, according to his bio in the Vanderbilt media guide. But the Commodores aren't just selling academics these days.

They're suddenly a top-25 program trying to recruit another top-25 class. And, strange as it seems, Tennessee is the program trying to catch up.

John Adams is a senior columnist. He may be reached at 865-342-6284 or adamsj@knoxnews.com. Follow him at http://twitter.com/johnadamskns.

(For the latest on Tennessee recruiting, please see govols247.)

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tnoutlaw2001#228008 writes:

If Franklin can some how win against a schedule with a above .500 mark I would be impressed until then they are who they have always been.

Vanderbilt started 2-4 and then finished beating teams with losing records. Lets see if things can work out perfect again or if it was just a once every 50 years event.

Rosie writes:

Jones better not ever lose to vandy. Not in recruiting and not on the field. And that includes THIS year!

scvols writes:

James Franklin has shown he is one of the best coaches in coaching and recruiting in the country. I do not know why he was not on the top of our list. I do see BJ doing well, but not as well as JF would had done.

798orange writes:

Hey John, your article is missing context of what we have been dealing with. We are now on our 4th head coach in slightly over 4 years. There are several teams in this conference we used to have an advantage on that we are now trying to keep up with. Have patience, I think we might have found the quality and stability we have been lacking with coach Jones and his staff.

RockyMtnVol writes:

1. Vandy's numbers are only based on the total, the overall quality of players still leans toward UT. One recuting class will not make or change Vandy's future. UT's struggles have been with the coaching issue, Vandy and the rest of the SEC know, UT is on its way back, it's just a matter of time. Our facilities are lightyears ahead of most of the SEC. Once Butch shows what he can do, the recuits will come.

John, continue to write your dribble, it's one thing to have an opinion, it's is another to know facts. You can ignore the facts, but you can't change them.

Go Vols!!

tnoutlaw2001#228008 writes:

in response to scvols:

James Franklin has shown he is one of the best coaches in coaching and recruiting in the country. I do not know why he was not on the top of our list. I do see BJ doing well, but not as well as JF would had done.

Proof?

Name a upset?, has he beaten a ranked opponent? has he really done anything to prove he is quote,

"shown he is one of the best coaches in coaching"

1 winning season, 1 bowl win, and he avoided playing Alabama, Miss. State, LSU, and Texas AM.

He lost to SC, GEORGIA, FLORIDA.

The bowl win was not as it seems 5 turnover by NC state and they still were outplayed in every phase.
NC STATE VANDY
FIRST DOWNS 24 17
3rd down eff. 13-19 3-14

4th down eff. 0-1 3-4

Total Yards 424 225

Time will tell, but right now I see a bunch of smoke, not much else, maybe some pure luck from the schedule too.

TEA1998 writes:

I once read that a sports writer told the full story without leaving out facts that effect the article. This one is just another example of him failing to tell the full story. You can't judge a class by the H/C the first year. Give H/C Jones a year to repair the damage Dooley did and see where he is in year 2.

DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho writes:

in response to scvols:

James Franklin has shown he is one of the best coaches in coaching and recruiting in the country. I do not know why he was not on the top of our list. I do see BJ doing well, but not as well as JF would had done.

Because, what if he said no? What if he exposed the real problem with UT football which is the administration? What if he exposed that the real reason we can't hire a great coach is that, no matter the money, no great coach is willing to work under Cheek's ridiculous academic standards and Hart's inept leadership?

rabblerowser writes:

in response to tnoutlaw2001#228008:

Proof?

Name a upset?, has he beaten a ranked opponent? has he really done anything to prove he is quote,

"shown he is one of the best coaches in coaching"

1 winning season, 1 bowl win, and he avoided playing Alabama, Miss. State, LSU, and Texas AM.

He lost to SC, GEORGIA, FLORIDA.

The bowl win was not as it seems 5 turnover by NC state and they still were outplayed in every phase.
NC STATE VANDY
FIRST DOWNS 24 17
3rd down eff. 13-19 3-14

4th down eff. 0-1 3-4

Total Yards 424 225

Time will tell, but right now I see a bunch of smoke, not much else, maybe some pure luck from the schedule too.

41-18 may be just smoke but whatever it is, the Vols are behind Vandy in the opinion of people who know and that's all that really counts.

rabblerowser writes:

in response to tnoutlaw2001#228008:

If Franklin can some how win against a schedule with a above .500 mark I would be impressed until then they are who they have always been.

Vanderbilt started 2-4 and then finished beating teams with losing records. Lets see if things can work out perfect again or if it was just a once every 50 years event.

Kinda like UT use to do in November. My how times have changed!

DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho writes:

in response to tnoutlaw2001#228008:

Proof?

Name a upset?, has he beaten a ranked opponent? has he really done anything to prove he is quote,

"shown he is one of the best coaches in coaching"

1 winning season, 1 bowl win, and he avoided playing Alabama, Miss. State, LSU, and Texas AM.

He lost to SC, GEORGIA, FLORIDA.

The bowl win was not as it seems 5 turnover by NC state and they still were outplayed in every phase.
NC STATE VANDY
FIRST DOWNS 24 17
3rd down eff. 13-19 3-14

4th down eff. 0-1 3-4

Total Yards 424 225

Time will tell, but right now I see a bunch of smoke, not much else, maybe some pure luck from the schedule too.

You know...it's funny because I distinctly remember you defending Dooley who put up worse numbers than Franklin in his second year.

So, when Dooley loses he's still a great coach and we just need to give him time.

When Franklin wins he's still not a good coach despite taking one of the wost teams in America and getting them to 9 wins in a season in two years.

Ok...that makes sense.

I'm a UT grad and I appreciate great coaching (rather than the mediocre drivel that most Vol fans seem content to swallow). What Franklin has done at Vandy is AMAZING. If you don't at least acknowledge that, you're willfully ignorant. Also, I was at the Music City Bowl and you're statement that Vandy got outplayed by NC State "in every phase" is just WRONG.

HarveyDent writes:

in response to RockyMtnVol:

1. Vandy's numbers are only based on the total, the overall quality of players still leans toward UT. One recuting class will not make or change Vandy's future. UT's struggles have been with the coaching issue, Vandy and the rest of the SEC know, UT is on its way back, it's just a matter of time. Our facilities are lightyears ahead of most of the SEC. Once Butch shows what he can do, the recuits will come.

John, continue to write your dribble, it's one thing to have an opinion, it's is another to know facts. You can ignore the facts, but you can't change them.

Go Vols!!

It's good to see someone else realizes how these recruiting sites work. Vandy's class is far less impressive than anybody's in the top 20.

HarveyDent writes:

Vandy with 2 4 stars is ahead of texas who has 1 5 star and 8 4 stars and only 13 commits. I somehow doubt texas would trade their class for Vandy's overrated class right now. Like always things will even out come signing day.

Supersayin1 writes:

Ouch!

marVOLous writes:

What worries me is that for years we just barely beat Vanderbilt even though we had vastly superior talent.

Now that Vandy has closed the talent gap, we got whipped pretty bad by them. I think we will see more beatdowns as long as Franklin is at Vanderbilt. Given equal talent, the smart guys will always win.

volthrunthru#658770 writes:

Congratulations to Vanderbilt? Yes and no. They would not be here, if not for UT screw-ups.

More like "shame, shame on Mike Hamilton, Dave Hart, Jimmy Cheek, the UT President and board of Trustees."

In addition to butchering the cash cow, Volunteer Football, with Kiffen & Dooley, and gross overpayments an guarantees for all that he hired; Hamilton had been so involved in trying to knife Phillip Fulmer in the back, with Cheek's and former President Peterson's blessing, because all of them feared Fulmer's strong relationships with power brokers and big donors in the Vol family, that UT's athletics deparment went down the tubes.

The current men's basketball coach has a losing record in the SEC. Swimming/Diving coach fired for alleged moral turpitude. Hamilton's firing came. New director Hart destroyed Women's athletics structure, then came his mishandling of much of the rest of UT's proudd Women's athletics.

Baseball has a revolving coaches mentality, now. Pat Summitt debacle noted. Women's volleyball All-America and others transferring this year. The athletics department's reserve funds squandered on buyouts from fired coaches.

Cheek, the current chancellor, brought in Hart after Hamilton was fired, with the idea of making UT into a Vanderbilt, academically. Presto: problems with getting great athletes into school.

Hart has screwed up everything he has touched, firing Pat Summitt...er, pushing out Pat Summitt...and now hiring another mid-major coach in Butch Jones, for football---a modestly successful coach who is over his head.

Every major process at UT has become flawed under Hamilton and Hart. For instance, The same agent for years represented Hamilton and many of the coaches Hamilton was interviewing and hiring. Uh...can you cay "TBI Investigation needed?"

The entire mess that is UT athletics needs to be probed by the State legislature. UT athletics spends $2Billion dollars every decade...and the revolving coaches, incompetence at every level...and NCAA sanctions needs to be investigated by a special panel, with TBI support.

Get rid of unethical creeps, straighten out the mess and help UT become a leader that is respected.

Straighten Up. That way, UT can be a state flagship school of which we can be proud, once again.

Vanderbilt has done it the right way. Congratulations to the school and its athletics programs.

Vandy deserves plaudits and has a right to look towards Knoxville and laugh. UT needs to look into a mirror facing any direction and cry.

gc_scvol writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

Congratulations to Vanderbilt? Yes and no. They would not be here, if not for UT screw-ups.

More like "shame, shame on Mike Hamilton, Dave Hart, Jimmy Cheek, the UT President and board of Trustees."

In addition to butchering the cash cow, Volunteer Football, with Kiffen & Dooley, and gross overpayments an guarantees for all that he hired; Hamilton had been so involved in trying to knife Phillip Fulmer in the back, with Cheek's and former President Peterson's blessing, because all of them feared Fulmer's strong relationships with power brokers and big donors in the Vol family, that UT's athletics deparment went down the tubes.

The current men's basketball coach has a losing record in the SEC. Swimming/Diving coach fired for alleged moral turpitude. Hamilton's firing came. New director Hart destroyed Women's athletics structure, then came his mishandling of much of the rest of UT's proudd Women's athletics.

Baseball has a revolving coaches mentality, now. Pat Summitt debacle noted. Women's volleyball All-America and others transferring this year. The athletics department's reserve funds squandered on buyouts from fired coaches.

Cheek, the current chancellor, brought in Hart after Hamilton was fired, with the idea of making UT into a Vanderbilt, academically. Presto: problems with getting great athletes into school.

Hart has screwed up everything he has touched, firing Pat Summitt...er, pushing out Pat Summitt...and now hiring another mid-major coach in Butch Jones, for football---a modestly successful coach who is over his head.

Every major process at UT has become flawed under Hamilton and Hart. For instance, The same agent for years represented Hamilton and many of the coaches Hamilton was interviewing and hiring. Uh...can you cay "TBI Investigation needed?"

The entire mess that is UT athletics needs to be probed by the State legislature. UT athletics spends $2Billion dollars every decade...and the revolving coaches, incompetence at every level...and NCAA sanctions needs to be investigated by a special panel, with TBI support.

Get rid of unethical creeps, straighten out the mess and help UT become a leader that is respected.

Straighten Up. That way, UT can be a state flagship school of which we can be proud, once again.

Vanderbilt has done it the right way. Congratulations to the school and its athletics programs.

Vandy deserves plaudits and has a right to look towards Knoxville and laugh. UT needs to look into a mirror facing any direction and cry.

I've got a good idea, go find a school that you like and follow them. Life is too short to make yourself miserable by whining about OUR VOLUNTEERS all the time. But, then, siome people just like being miserable. Seems to be the case with you.

gc_scvol writes:

in response to rabblerowser:

41-18 may be just smoke but whatever it is, the Vols are behind Vandy in the opinion of people who know and that's all that really counts.

Seems to me you may be on to something. Look at the GVX 247 recruiting rankings. Does this mean they don't know. I'm just sayin'.

underthehill writes:

in response to gc_scvol:

Seems to me you may be on to something. Look at the GVX 247 recruiting rankings. Does this mean they don't know. I'm just sayin'.

Rivals and ESPN may have a bit more credibility..I don't see how GVX 247 thinks this helps the Vols..

gc_scvol writes:

in response to underthehill:

Rivals and ESPN may have a bit more credibility..I don't see how GVX 247 thinks this helps the Vols..

Pick and choose. Whatever suits your case to run down OUR VOLUNTEERS. If GVX and Adams run the vols down, they're spot on (In your opinion), but if they differ from someone who has a lower opinion of MY VOLS you disagree with them and doubt their credibility. So, what's it gonna be? Oh, I know whoever agrees with you on a subject is right, and the others have no credibility. Make up your mind about something other than "You dislike MY VOLS.

wilk58 writes:

in response to tnoutlaw2001#228008:

Proof?

Name a upset?, has he beaten a ranked opponent? has he really done anything to prove he is quote,

"shown he is one of the best coaches in coaching"

1 winning season, 1 bowl win, and he avoided playing Alabama, Miss. State, LSU, and Texas AM.

He lost to SC, GEORGIA, FLORIDA.

The bowl win was not as it seems 5 turnover by NC state and they still were outplayed in every phase.
NC STATE VANDY
FIRST DOWNS 24 17
3rd down eff. 13-19 3-14

4th down eff. 0-1 3-4

Total Yards 424 225

Time will tell, but right now I see a bunch of smoke, not much else, maybe some pure luck from the schedule too.

I have been a vol fan since '69. 41 to 18 proofs it very well.

chattbud writes:

in responce to fohn adams:

"But the idea that UT even needs a recruiting surge to overtake Vanderbilt must be alarming to its fans, especially after a 41-18 loss to the Commodores in November."

Life is Consequences of actions. Tennessee fans believed Adams when he wrote if we just fire another coach, Gruden will come. First time Fulmer, this time, we fired Dooley on your advice John. You said Vols would get Gruden & all the FIVE Stars recruits. What Tennessee fans got; is another restart for our program. Adams stoked the flames of “CHANGE” in 07 & 08. His irrational Vol faithful followed his bull & fired Fulmer WAY BACK IN THE GOOD OLE DAYS. This Time, Dooley had a good recruiting class committed to go to WORK at Tennessee. He had camps & try outs ALL Spring & summer personal try outs to see which kids he wanted. He and his coaches worked them didn’t read about them in a newspaper but in live try outs! Dooley had a Solid 2013 class committed! Now all them Gone! Success in life requires Work! You just don’t wake up with a BMW in your drive way! Although,… I think half my nation think & votes that way! Vols could have won eight games this year. But FANatic’s say, No excuses! At least the irrational Adam groupies do. But because of coaching “Change” we lost our four Best players to the Pro’s. Vols didn’t have them to lose, We’re Not Alabama. And never will be,..Sal needed TWO years to install the Bama (Sabin’s) 3-4 defense. Our kids need the two years & this year’s early commitments to fill the holes & to learn to execute it. Success requires Work, execution & athletic ability! Vols should have given Dooley his 4-years. We would be $9,000,000 better off & further ahead in Our execution of The BAMA defense & our Chaney’s #2 SEC offense. Not starting ALL over again. SEC football isn’t a computer game Kids! We’re not just punching a magic button & You Win! Soooo, Vol fans punched the MAGIC button again &&&& we fired Dooley &&&,…NOW of all things for Adam’s to Write?,..Vols are below Vandy in recruiting. “How Could This Be??? John Never Said, This Could Ever BE!” “no consequences for actions” But in reality SEC Parents don’t let their four & Five star recruits sign with a University’s that fires its coach every 3-Years. Where’s Gruden John? You promised Gruden John. Vols got the Change you wanted John, Where’s Gruden, John,… I want KNS to run another of its (coach)firing polls But this time?: The feasibility of Firing, Adams? It’s time for another “CHANGE.” But maybe not? I vote let’s see.

PS:And Yes John it's is Alaming You're not One?,..a Tennessee Fan.

underthehill writes:

in response to gc_scvol:

Pick and choose. Whatever suits your case to run down OUR VOLUNTEERS. If GVX and Adams run the vols down, they're spot on (In your opinion), but if they differ from someone who has a lower opinion of MY VOLS you disagree with them and doubt their credibility. So, what's it gonna be? Oh, I know whoever agrees with you on a subject is right, and the others have no credibility. Make up your mind about something other than "You dislike MY VOLS.

It is possible UT could end up with a better recruiting class than Vandy..right now John is saying UT is chasing Vandy..same as the recruiting services all outside of Knoxville are saying..seems John and GVX don't agree..I think it is reasonable to think John is right..

MikeInTN writes:

41 - 18 a** whipping...enough said!!!

Pompey writes:

....my how the mighty have fallen...one of the saddest stories in all of college sports....!

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to Rosie:

Jones better not ever lose to vandy. Not in recruiting and not on the field. And that includes THIS year!

Uhhh, Fulmer lost to Vandy..I believe CBJ can and will beat Vandy, but this year might be a stretch.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

UT is actually ahead of Vandy in recruiting if you compare the quality averages of each player..UT averages around 3.23 while Vandy is 2.99. With that being said, all UT has to do is sign one more 4 or 5* and close out with no less than 3* talent to surpass Vandy on NSD..GBO!!

kevininaugustageorgia writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

Because, what if he said no? What if he exposed the real problem with UT football which is the administration? What if he exposed that the real reason we can't hire a great coach is that, no matter the money, no great coach is willing to work under Cheek's ridiculous academic standards and Hart's inept leadership?

Are the standards set by Cheek more ridiculous than those set at say, Notre Dame or Vanderbilt?

They have high academic standards and they won last season.

I'd say that Cheek wouldn't be doing his job correctly if he didn't insist on high academic standards.

You don't have to have a team full of ignorant morons to win football games. You can have good academics and good football. Matter of fact, you should have good academics and good football.

If Vandy can so can UT.

Your answer on here to every issue UT has is "fire somebody!" Yeah, now there's a plan everybody can get behind...

jmaples54 writes:

in response to chattbud:

in responce to fohn adams:

"But the idea that UT even needs a recruiting surge to overtake Vanderbilt must be alarming to its fans, especially after a 41-18 loss to the Commodores in November."

Life is Consequences of actions. Tennessee fans believed Adams when he wrote if we just fire another coach, Gruden will come. First time Fulmer, this time, we fired Dooley on your advice John. You said Vols would get Gruden & all the FIVE Stars recruits. What Tennessee fans got; is another restart for our program. Adams stoked the flames of “CHANGE” in 07 & 08. His irrational Vol faithful followed his bull & fired Fulmer WAY BACK IN THE GOOD OLE DAYS. This Time, Dooley had a good recruiting class committed to go to WORK at Tennessee. He had camps & try outs ALL Spring & summer personal try outs to see which kids he wanted. He and his coaches worked them didn’t read about them in a newspaper but in live try outs! Dooley had a Solid 2013 class committed! Now all them Gone! Success in life requires Work! You just don’t wake up with a BMW in your drive way! Although,… I think half my nation think & votes that way! Vols could have won eight games this year. But FANatic’s say, No excuses! At least the irrational Adam groupies do. But because of coaching “Change” we lost our four Best players to the Pro’s. Vols didn’t have them to lose, We’re Not Alabama. And never will be,..Sal needed TWO years to install the Bama (Sabin’s) 3-4 defense. Our kids need the two years & this year’s early commitments to fill the holes & to learn to execute it. Success requires Work, execution & athletic ability! Vols should have given Dooley his 4-years. We would be $9,000,000 better off & further ahead in Our execution of The BAMA defense & our Chaney’s #2 SEC offense. Not starting ALL over again. SEC football isn’t a computer game Kids! We’re not just punching a magic button & You Win! Soooo, Vol fans punched the MAGIC button again &&&& we fired Dooley &&&,…NOW of all things for Adam’s to Write?,..Vols are below Vandy in recruiting. “How Could This Be??? John Never Said, This Could Ever BE!” “no consequences for actions” But in reality SEC Parents don’t let their four & Five star recruits sign with a University’s that fires its coach every 3-Years. Where’s Gruden John? You promised Gruden John. Vols got the Change you wanted John, Where’s Gruden, John,… I want KNS to run another of its (coach)firing polls But this time?: The feasibility of Firing, Adams? It’s time for another “CHANGE.” But maybe not? I vote let’s see.

PS:And Yes John it's is Alaming You're not One?,..a Tennessee Fan.

it's not necessary for your family and friend(s) to read this hilarious diatribe to know how delusional and illogical you are. they already know. there's no way you can live your life and cover up such idiocy. don't worry, though, blood is thicker than water-- they will still love you anyway.

it's the people who read these blogs that wonder, snicker and snort at your blather. first off you make a bad impression when you misspell 2 of the first 4 words of your post.

second, adams, like most thinking vol fans, knew there was no way gruden was coming.

adams has no more influence in firing and hiring coaches than you or me.

i disagree that bray, hunter, and patterson would have returned if dooley had not been fired. maybe you've heard that patterson didn't go to class and would've been ineligible.

most importantly, when you advocate for the return of sunseri and ut's worst defense in history, you show just how far off the cliff you have gone.

it's not unusual to hear "fans" bashing adams. your babbling, however, is among the most amazing comedy that i have seen. no one is taking you seriously, bud. but the humor is priceless.

Peepin writes:

John Adams is a joke. It would be nice if he practiced journalism and didn't let his obvious hate of everything UT bleed into every comment he makes.

UT will be ahead of Vandy when its all said and done this year. They just have more commits, mainly 3 star garbage. Once the dust settles we will be ahead.

Its sad that Adams twisted this into an illogical rant designed to troll the fanbase. Pathetic excuse for a journalist.

ambrown64 writes:

in response to chattbud:

in responce to fohn adams:

"But the idea that UT even needs a recruiting surge to overtake Vanderbilt must be alarming to its fans, especially after a 41-18 loss to the Commodores in November."

Life is Consequences of actions. Tennessee fans believed Adams when he wrote if we just fire another coach, Gruden will come. First time Fulmer, this time, we fired Dooley on your advice John. You said Vols would get Gruden & all the FIVE Stars recruits. What Tennessee fans got; is another restart for our program. Adams stoked the flames of “CHANGE” in 07 & 08. His irrational Vol faithful followed his bull & fired Fulmer WAY BACK IN THE GOOD OLE DAYS. This Time, Dooley had a good recruiting class committed to go to WORK at Tennessee. He had camps & try outs ALL Spring & summer personal try outs to see which kids he wanted. He and his coaches worked them didn’t read about them in a newspaper but in live try outs! Dooley had a Solid 2013 class committed! Now all them Gone! Success in life requires Work! You just don’t wake up with a BMW in your drive way! Although,… I think half my nation think & votes that way! Vols could have won eight games this year. But FANatic’s say, No excuses! At least the irrational Adam groupies do. But because of coaching “Change” we lost our four Best players to the Pro’s. Vols didn’t have them to lose, We’re Not Alabama. And never will be,..Sal needed TWO years to install the Bama (Sabin’s) 3-4 defense. Our kids need the two years & this year’s early commitments to fill the holes & to learn to execute it. Success requires Work, execution & athletic ability! Vols should have given Dooley his 4-years. We would be $9,000,000 better off & further ahead in Our execution of The BAMA defense & our Chaney’s #2 SEC offense. Not starting ALL over again. SEC football isn’t a computer game Kids! We’re not just punching a magic button & You Win! Soooo, Vol fans punched the MAGIC button again &&&& we fired Dooley &&&,…NOW of all things for Adam’s to Write?,..Vols are below Vandy in recruiting. “How Could This Be??? John Never Said, This Could Ever BE!” “no consequences for actions” But in reality SEC Parents don’t let their four & Five star recruits sign with a University’s that fires its coach every 3-Years. Where’s Gruden John? You promised Gruden John. Vols got the Change you wanted John, Where’s Gruden, John,… I want KNS to run another of its (coach)firing polls But this time?: The feasibility of Firing, Adams? It’s time for another “CHANGE.” But maybe not? I vote let’s see.

PS:And Yes John it's is Alaming You're not One?,..a Tennessee Fan.

I've been on this site since it's inception. I've seen ignorance and brilliance, love and hate...but I've never seen something as stupid as this: "we fired Dooley on your advice John."

C'mon, man.

LCPanthers (Inactive) writes:

Why would any recruit choose Vandy over Tennessee is beyond me.

chuckfromwoodberry writes:

vandy could go undefeated and their pitiful fanbase still wouldn't fill up pudley field. Flash in the pan. Same old vandy, just watch and see.

TimOliver writes:

Mr Adams

How about letting the ink dry on the leters of intent before declaring a winner in recruiting? in addition, didn't you advocate the firing of Phil Fulmer, even though he had records of 2-1 againat UGA and South Carolina during his last three years? He was 0-3 against Florida ( who wasn't)and 1-2 against Bama. If Butch Jones compiles that record in his first three years, a statue will be erected. How about serving a worthwhile purpose and investigate administration/admissions and find out why LSU can admit certain athletes that UT cannot? Why is it that UT is the only SEC school that will not accept a C- grade from a junior college transfer? Why do we no longer have the Urban Studies curriculum? What happened in the early 2000's that placed us at a competitive disadvantage and contributed to Phil Fulmer's demise? GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND INVESTIGATE THESE QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF WRITING SENSATIONAL COLUMNS!

TimOliver writes:

in response to kevininaugustageorgia:

Are the standards set by Cheek more ridiculous than those set at say, Notre Dame or Vanderbilt?

They have high academic standards and they won last season.

I'd say that Cheek wouldn't be doing his job correctly if he didn't insist on high academic standards.

You don't have to have a team full of ignorant morons to win football games. You can have good academics and good football. Matter of fact, you should have good academics and good football.

If Vandy can so can UT.

Your answer on here to every issue UT has is "fire somebody!" Yeah, now there's a plan everybody can get behind...

Kevin

I hope to God you are not saying Vanderbilt is the standard! I want to be on a level playing field with the powers that be in the SEC. If not, let's get out of the SEC and play somrwhere else.
But since you brought it up, I understand that Vandy is making exceptions that UT will not!
It's ridiculous!

underthehill writes:

in response to chuckfromwoodberry:

vandy could go undefeated and their pitiful fanbase still wouldn't fill up pudley field. Flash in the pan. Same old vandy, just watch and see.

Fraid not Chucky..I have already seen 41-18..and pudley was full..

arkyvol writes:

in response to LCPanthers:

Why would any recruit choose Vandy over Tennessee is beyond me.

it might just have something to do with the value of a a vandy degree versus a tennessee degree.

jhayes0926#638474 writes:

in response to jmaples54:

it's not necessary for your family and friend(s) to read this hilarious diatribe to know how delusional and illogical you are. they already know. there's no way you can live your life and cover up such idiocy. don't worry, though, blood is thicker than water-- they will still love you anyway.

it's the people who read these blogs that wonder, snicker and snort at your blather. first off you make a bad impression when you misspell 2 of the first 4 words of your post.

second, adams, like most thinking vol fans, knew there was no way gruden was coming.

adams has no more influence in firing and hiring coaches than you or me.

i disagree that bray, hunter, and patterson would have returned if dooley had not been fired. maybe you've heard that patterson didn't go to class and would've been ineligible.

most importantly, when you advocate for the return of sunseri and ut's worst defense in history, you show just how far off the cliff you have gone.

it's not unusual to hear "fans" bashing adams. your babbling, however, is among the most amazing comedy that i have seen. no one is taking you seriously, bud. but the humor is priceless.

Good post! Somebody who understands!

jhayes0926#638474 writes:

in response to LCPanthers:

Why would any recruit choose Vandy over Tennessee is beyond me.

Possibly because a career is more important than 4 yrs of college football, 2 yrs actually on the field?

murrayvol writes:

in response to chattbud:

in responce to fohn adams:

"But the idea that UT even needs a recruiting surge to overtake Vanderbilt must be alarming to its fans, especially after a 41-18 loss to the Commodores in November."

Life is Consequences of actions. Tennessee fans believed Adams when he wrote if we just fire another coach, Gruden will come. First time Fulmer, this time, we fired Dooley on your advice John. You said Vols would get Gruden & all the FIVE Stars recruits. What Tennessee fans got; is another restart for our program. Adams stoked the flames of “CHANGE” in 07 & 08. His irrational Vol faithful followed his bull & fired Fulmer WAY BACK IN THE GOOD OLE DAYS. This Time, Dooley had a good recruiting class committed to go to WORK at Tennessee. He had camps & try outs ALL Spring & summer personal try outs to see which kids he wanted. He and his coaches worked them didn’t read about them in a newspaper but in live try outs! Dooley had a Solid 2013 class committed! Now all them Gone! Success in life requires Work! You just don’t wake up with a BMW in your drive way! Although,… I think half my nation think & votes that way! Vols could have won eight games this year. But FANatic’s say, No excuses! At least the irrational Adam groupies do. But because of coaching “Change” we lost our four Best players to the Pro’s. Vols didn’t have them to lose, We’re Not Alabama. And never will be,..Sal needed TWO years to install the Bama (Sabin’s) 3-4 defense. Our kids need the two years & this year’s early commitments to fill the holes & to learn to execute it. Success requires Work, execution & athletic ability! Vols should have given Dooley his 4-years. We would be $9,000,000 better off & further ahead in Our execution of The BAMA defense & our Chaney’s #2 SEC offense. Not starting ALL over again. SEC football isn’t a computer game Kids! We’re not just punching a magic button & You Win! Soooo, Vol fans punched the MAGIC button again &&&& we fired Dooley &&&,…NOW of all things for Adam’s to Write?,..Vols are below Vandy in recruiting. “How Could This Be??? John Never Said, This Could Ever BE!” “no consequences for actions” But in reality SEC Parents don’t let their four & Five star recruits sign with a University’s that fires its coach every 3-Years. Where’s Gruden John? You promised Gruden John. Vols got the Change you wanted John, Where’s Gruden, John,… I want KNS to run another of its (coach)firing polls But this time?: The feasibility of Firing, Adams? It’s time for another “CHANGE.” But maybe not? I vote let’s see.

PS:And Yes John it's is Alaming You're not One?,..a Tennessee Fan.

Hey bud. He's a Hall of Famer. Look it up.:{)

exlineman writes:

The NCAA might be interested in James Franklin, before he is said and done for shady recruiting. He is camped on Jalen Hurds doorsteps from Beech High School in Hendersonville, Tn.

The 2 weeks of no contact especially a junior might apply in this case. Case in point, at the 5A State Championship, he got in the middle of the Beech cheering section trying his best to be seen by everyone there and then turned around and sucked an invitation to Beech High School to speak to the entire team that was being celebrated.. I beleive this period of time 2-3 weeks after the championship might have been in violation of no contact period. For some reason Vanderbilt spends alot of time in Hendersonville the past few years getting John Jenkins from Station Camp Creek, Wesley Tate from Pope John Paul and the starting center for Vanderbilt football, from Hendersonville High School. This is big Orange country and I have personally seen one of Vanderbilts assistant coaches here several months ago buying lunch for a couple of female athletes.

Franklin should be called sneaky pete with his sneaky way of recruiting and cuddling up to some of these athletes in the Sumner Cty. area. I don't know that Jalen Hurd is really interested in Tn., but if they are interested in him, someone had better get with the program in recruiting one of the top running backs in the nation. Jalen is a smart student as well as a player and wouldn't have to go into Vanderbilt under the Peadbody arrangement set up in 1974 to make Vanderbilt more competitive in the SEC. From all that I have heard he is a great kid that would be great for Tn. to have.

tnoutlaw2001#228008 writes:

in response to DwayneElizondoMountainDewHerbertCamacho:

You know...it's funny because I distinctly remember you defending Dooley who put up worse numbers than Franklin in his second year.

So, when Dooley loses he's still a great coach and we just need to give him time.

When Franklin wins he's still not a good coach despite taking one of the wost teams in America and getting them to 9 wins in a season in two years.

Ok...that makes sense.

I'm a UT grad and I appreciate great coaching (rather than the mediocre drivel that most Vol fans seem content to swallow). What Franklin has done at Vandy is AMAZING. If you don't at least acknowledge that, you're willfully ignorant. Also, I was at the Music City Bowl and you're statement that Vandy got outplayed by NC State "in every phase" is just WRONG.

I'm no Dooley apologist. I don't buy local media hype, what Franklin did may be impressive to a few, but I look at facts. He played one the weakest schedules nationally. He avoided every SEC power house, and lost to the one he played. Those are facts. Period.

I'm not saying Vanderbilt has a bad coach I'm saying he has proved anything, and has won against nobody. Facts are facts.

kevininaugustageorgia writes:

in response to TimOliver:

Kevin

I hope to God you are not saying Vanderbilt is the standard! I want to be on a level playing field with the powers that be in the SEC. If not, let's get out of the SEC and play somrwhere else.
But since you brought it up, I understand that Vandy is making exceptions that UT will not!
It's ridiculous!

Nah, not at all. I was just making a point using this year's 'Dores and Notre Dame. They were both winners and they both have high academic standards.

Not saying that UT has to have the same standards as an Ivy League school. But, expecting your athletes to attend class and make decent grades--especially with the amount of free tutors available to help--isn't too much to ask.

The bottom line is UT's football problems are not the result of academic standards being too high at UT. Using that is just making excuses for the real issues they have had.

Also, Vandy was better than us this year. But I certainly don't expect that trend to continue or for it to even become 2 in a row.

My whole point is the answer is not always firing people, as the guy I was replying to seems to think. Wonder if he is judged as harshly by others as he judges?

buzz29 writes:

Nothing insightful here. The sky is still blue and the grass green. Repeating the obvious won't change reality. Kinda like telling a fireman the house is on fire while he is trying to put out the fire. It should no longer be "strange" to anyone that UT's football program is behind Vanderbilt's. UT can regain the upper hand. It is very doable, but it will take great effort and good coaching (as it should).

Navaloranges writes:

in response to rabblerowser:

41-18 may be just smoke but whatever it is, the Vols are behind Vandy in the opinion of people who know and that's all that really counts.

June 6th, 2007. Same LOSER TROLL that has about 30 other screen names. Tennessee WILL ovettake candy in recruiting, and UT WILL get it together with Jones. Then UT WILL show that they are a MUCH more superior team than the doores will EVER BE.

UT's on it's forth coach in 6 years. Remind yuou of any other TOP 10 program...Yeah, me too, BAMA. They had their time in the weeds, as we are now, and they emerged, as we WILL NOW.

THEN, all the little trolls with their 30 some odd screen names, LIKE YOU, who hide behind your keyboards like the litte cowardice blowhards you are, will be finally GONE.

UT has always been, is now , and forever will be a SUPERIOR athletic University than canderbilt. NOTHING you worthless Trolls, or anything adams writes to stir the pot will EVER change that FACT.

oldster writes:

John, you need to read your own paper. It has the Vols ranked 30th and Vandy BEHIND them (34th I think it was). I would also add, that it had Vandy with more committments so, when UT catches up in numbers the gap will widen.

oldster writes:

in response to gc_scvol:

I've got a good idea, go find a school that you like and follow them. Life is too short to make yourself miserable by whining about OUR VOLUNTEERS all the time. But, then, siome people just like being miserable. Seems to be the case with you.

I followed your advice. Being a diehard fan of the Vols was making me depressed. I do not have enough time left in my life to waste it so. Therefore, for the first time in my life, since 1957, I changed my favorite college team from the Vols to the Ducks. I still root for the Vols and hope they improve, but by lessening my intensity, I hope to have increased by longevity and have certainly improved by outlook.

Fall_Creek_Vols writes:

in response to rabblerowser:

41-18 may be just smoke but whatever it is, the Vols are behind Vandy in the opinion of people who know and that's all that really counts.

No, it isn't. What "counts" is the score at the end of the game. Vandy won this year and they deserve all the credit (along with Dooley). Let's talk again at this time next year and we'll see where we stand.

You and Adams keep chasing the pink elephants that occupy your "minds". It is my fervent desire that someday, you each catch one.

tturley#297658 writes:

John, can you write an article on why you should be a sportswriter in Knoxville?

underthehill writes:

in response to oldster:

John, you need to read your own paper. It has the Vols ranked 30th and Vandy BEHIND them (34th I think it was). I would also add, that it had Vandy with more committments so, when UT catches up in numbers the gap will widen.

You can go to scout.com or rivals.com or ESPN and check their ratings with no charge..I do that for UT ..Vandy ..and others ..the big problem for UT right now is not Vandy's recruiting..it is their own..scout.com has 5 ut committs listed as soft recruit..which I think means they are looking at other schools..this includes Jason Carr 4* and the big 6'10 tackle 3*..Vandy has one listed as soft recruit and it is the running back who visited UT..3* his name is Ford ..I think.. I think Jones and his staff are in a situation where they just have to do all they can and hope for the best..

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