John Adams: Tough times ahead for UT football

John Adams
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Tennessee football coach Butch Jones talks with the media during a news conference in the Peyton Manning Locker Room Complex at Neyland Stadium on Dec. 7.

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ADAM BRIMER/NEWS SENTINEL Tennessee football coach Butch Jones talks with the media during a news conference in the Peyton Manning Locker Room Complex at Neyland Stadium on Dec. 7.

The new coach has an old message.

Tennessee coach Butch Jones' message goes back to the days of leather helmets when football's earliest practitioners figured out the game wasn't for the weak of heart or spine. Nonetheless, their coaches probably didn't hesitate to remind them: "You gotta be tough."

In Jones' brief time on UT's sports stage, he has consistently steered most football-related topics back to toughness. Or more precisely, "mental toughness."

Jones has a lot to sell this weekend as recruits — some committed to the Vols and some not — take their on-campus visits. He can pitch an old and new Tennessee, combining the virtues of a tradition-rich program with the fresh faces and ideas that accompany any coaching change.

But the salesman says above all he wants to be genuine. So amidst all the selling, I assume the core message will get out. He wants tough players. Mentally tough players.

In a Sports Page radio interview Friday morning, he talked about bringing in Navy Seals for lectures. "You have to live toughness," he emphasized.

And you have to be consistent about it.

"Consistency and continuity with your staff," he said. "Everybody speaks the same language."

I imagined toughness permeating the program and envisioned a secretary bleeding on her keyboard as she typed through the sharpest of paper cuts. I also remembered what I saw of Jones' previous team in a Belk Bowl victory over Duke.

Jones said the University of Cincinnati president texted him as the Bearcats fell behind 16-0.

"These kids will be fine," Jones responded. "They have been trained."

These Vols await training. Their trainer awaits answers to basic questions.

"How do you persevere?" he asks. "How do you attack things?"

My impression of Jones is limited to our Sports Page interview, his introductory media conference, and whatever memories he conjures up of my Army drill sergeant. However, I doubt it will change significantly between now and the first touchdown Tennessee scores on Austin Peay.

My guess is UT athletic director Dave Hart formed a similarly quick opinion in the hiring process. Jones paints a very clear picture of what he expects his program to be. And he paints it with supreme confidence, even referring to the plan as "infallible" in his first speech as Tennessee's coach.

No wonder he has transported so much of his coaching staff from Central Michigan to Cincinnati to Tennessee. He doesn't want mixed messages. And he doesn't want

to spend much time teaching his assistant teachers.

If he's true to his message, there won't be a lot of wiggle room. Nor should there be.

The program has had three consecutive losing seasons. As the average margin of those defeats dwindled, another flaw was magnified. The tightest games repeatedly brought out the worst in the Vols.

Consumed with recruiting, Jones has familiarized himself with his roster as best he can, often through watching practice and game video on plane trips. He will reserve judgment until after offseason workouts and spring practice. But he probably has seen enough damaging video to realize this isn't the college football equivalent of Navy Seals.

He says his players seem eager. He says he's encouraged by their attitude. But ...

"We do have a long way to go in mental toughness," he added.

John Adams is a senior columnist. He may be reached at 865-342-6284 or adamsj@knoxnews.com. Follow him at http://twitter.com/johnadamskns.

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SouthPaVol writes:

We Vols want to win, and win at everything you do. First: get started. second: don't quit.

The Army had three basic rules before considering success: be at the right place, at the right time, in the right uniform. Next, let's get every player on the same page, showing up for workouts with the right attitude. Third, pass all the classes to remain eligible.

I think Coach Jones' message is pretty clear: succeed at everything you put your hand to do. This fall, we win football games. Go Vols!

Brentwoodvol writes:

Very nice pavol, very nice!!!

imw8n4u writes:

Forget the Seals, sounds to me like they need to bring in SouthPaVol to speak to the team.

wazzya69vol writes:

Per Army: shoot, move, communicate.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to 9willbesofine:

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Were you talking smack when UT dominated BAMA from 1995-2006? I believe the record during that period was 10-2 in favor of UT. Just wondering....b/c you know...once you win, you just keep winning forever, right?

Go try your psuedo knowledge on someone else, douche.

volthrunthru#658770 writes:

I wish this Fall was going to be different. Jones will do no better than Dooley on-field: beat Austin Peays & get racked up by Oregons, Floridas, Bamas & SC's. I am ill at ease from what I have seen. Here's why:

a. A widely respected friend-a friend among Cincinnati powerful says people there were stunned when Jones left. Jones had assured townies, school & players how much he wanted stay, a few weeks before bolting.

b. Here, Jones proclaims he will have the best coaching staff in the USA. He hires his from Cincinnati, without talking to several available widely respected, nationally known coaches/coordinators.

c. He claims he has wanted to coach here all his life. Strange for a Michigan guy---especially one who wanted to stay in Cincinnati.

d. He says UT can win the SEC with Tennessee H.S. players, which East, West, &---to a lesser degree--- Middle Tennessee fans, want to hear. Within two days Phillip Fulmer, who could have said nothing, says Jones has never recruited nationally, but must, he is to succeed here.
When he left, Jones made sure to take one of UC's committed recruits---a 2-star lineman. Maybe from UC or Central Mich., a 2-stars is national recruiting. Not in the SEC. SEC Coaches doing that when leaving, are not very well thought of.
e. Trust is apparently not bedrock in cultures that he comes from.

1) This week we learned that his mentor, Kelly, at N.D. , whom Jones followed at Central Mich., then Cincinnati---as Kelly got better jobs---does the same kind of you-gotta-cut-the-cards when he talks.

Having proclaimed love for N.D., Kelly then interviews at Philly. Then we learn Notre Dame football under Kelly has covered up lies by his premier player---lies designed to get support from those who bestow post-season honors.

2) Also Jones told John Adams, for this article, a story which embarrasses the President of the University of Cincinnati, but makes Jones look prescient.
My take-away:
a. Jones tells everybody what they want to hear.
b. Jones tells things to make himself look good that make others look bad.
c. Phillip Fulmer, in the meeting w/Jones, could not have missed discussing how mentally NOT tough & undisciplined Vols were w/Kiffen or Dooley.

Jones needs backing of Fulmer and former Vol players; so he hires a popular explayer...plus says what Fulmer wants to hear...says everywhere in Tennessee what they want to hear...tells recruits and parents what THEY want to hear. Jones does so to position himself. Jones is no reincarnation of The General; he is a masterful politician.

This guy gets multiple million$, plus his mid-major staff raises of 50%, his own contract makes him richer than the town he came from, regardless.

No wonder he tells everybody what they want to hear; Cheek, the Pres & Hart certainly told him what HE wanted to hear.

That will work until Oregon takes the field. Maybe Jones will have figured out by then what Oregon wants to hear.

SeaBassHauling writes:

A heading like that....in the middle of a very important recruiting weekend....! critical time of recruiting...! I was informed that the J word wasn't allowed to be used on this site...! how can UT allow this man to write articles on UT??? Mr. Adams I will never ever read your stories again...I've read his stories before and can't believe he is even allowed around the team...!!!
BAND the NEGATIVE

SeaBassHauling writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

I wish this Fall was going to be different. Jones will do no better than Dooley on-field: beat Austin Peays & get racked up by Oregons, Floridas, Bamas & SC's. I am ill at ease from what I have seen. Here's why:

a. A widely respected friend-a friend among Cincinnati powerful says people there were stunned when Jones left. Jones had assured townies, school & players how much he wanted stay, a few weeks before bolting.

b. Here, Jones proclaims he will have the best coaching staff in the USA. He hires his from Cincinnati, without talking to several available widely respected, nationally known coaches/coordinators.

c. He claims he has wanted to coach here all his life. Strange for a Michigan guy---especially one who wanted to stay in Cincinnati.

d. He says UT can win the SEC with Tennessee H.S. players, which East, West, &---to a lesser degree--- Middle Tennessee fans, want to hear. Within two days Phillip Fulmer, who could have said nothing, says Jones has never recruited nationally, but must, he is to succeed here.
When he left, Jones made sure to take one of UC's committed recruits---a 2-star lineman. Maybe from UC or Central Mich., a 2-stars is national recruiting. Not in the SEC. SEC Coaches doing that when leaving, are not very well thought of.
e. Trust is apparently not bedrock in cultures that he comes from.

1) This week we learned that his mentor, Kelly, at N.D. , whom Jones followed at Central Mich., then Cincinnati---as Kelly got better jobs---does the same kind of you-gotta-cut-the-cards when he talks.

Having proclaimed love for N.D., Kelly then interviews at Philly. Then we learn Notre Dame football under Kelly has covered up lies by his premier player---lies designed to get support from those who bestow post-season honors.

2) Also Jones told John Adams, for this article, a story which embarrasses the President of the University of Cincinnati, but makes Jones look prescient.
My take-away:
a. Jones tells everybody what they want to hear.
b. Jones tells things to make himself look good that make others look bad.
c. Phillip Fulmer, in the meeting w/Jones, could not have missed discussing how mentally NOT tough & undisciplined Vols were w/Kiffen or Dooley.

Jones needs backing of Fulmer and former Vol players; so he hires a popular explayer...plus says what Fulmer wants to hear...says everywhere in Tennessee what they want to hear...tells recruits and parents what THEY want to hear. Jones does so to position himself. Jones is no reincarnation of The General; he is a masterful politician.

This guy gets multiple million$, plus his mid-major staff raises of 50%, his own contract makes him richer than the town he came from, regardless.

No wonder he tells everybody what they want to hear; Cheek, the Pres & Hart certainly told him what HE wanted to hear.

That will work until Oregon takes the field. Maybe Jones will have figured out by then what Oregon wants to hear.

Wrong...! His players were happy for him...very happy...and i,ll go out on a limb here and say they still love the guy...! Bolt....BS you seem to have a motive with your garbage....! I think at this juncture he has made a really good choice with keeping the coaches he knows and bringing in a few SEC...Thig n Martinez as well....look at the recruits that are here this weekend and next that we probably wouldn't even had shot at.....except....! For the moves he and his coaching staff have put together. I'm not going to caring on any further with someone who has no ideal what football and recruiting is about...! Give this Team and coaches a chance and keep your fly trap shut John....! Adams....! JA

Geofffourmyle writes:

This is the same Adams that had an article before the 2012 UF game in which he opined that Dooley might go from Hot Seat to Hot Commodity.

The guy is not much of a prognosticator (That sentence when through a couple of rewrites).

Walt

UT '81

volthrunthru#658770 writes:

in response to SeaBassHauling:

Wrong...! His players were happy for him...very happy...and i,ll go out on a limb here and say they still love the guy...! Bolt....BS you seem to have a motive with your garbage....! I think at this juncture he has made a really good choice with keeping the coaches he knows and bringing in a few SEC...Thig n Martinez as well....look at the recruits that are here this weekend and next that we probably wouldn't even had shot at.....except....! For the moves he and his coaching staff have put together. I'm not going to caring on any further with someone who has no ideal what football and recruiting is about...! Give this Team and coaches a chance and keep your fly trap shut John....! Adams....! JA

You may want to rant at what I wrote, instead of strawmen. Nowhere in that article did I say his players were happy or unhappy for him.

I merely passed on what a powerful person in Cincinnati told me about Jones. Nothing malicious in either of us; just asked him what he thought, and he is the one who stated that those three groups had been assured by Jones that he wanted to stay in Cincinnati.

Sorry you feel that way, but.

Just that simple.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

You may want to rant at what I wrote, instead of strawmen. Nowhere in that article did I say his players were happy or unhappy for him.

I merely passed on what a powerful person in Cincinnati told me about Jones. Nothing malicious in either of us; just asked him what he thought, and he is the one who stated that those three groups had been assured by Jones that he wanted to stay in Cincinnati.

Sorry you feel that way, but.

Just that simple.

uhh...you could say what you said about any coach who leaves one position for another. how many times did nick saban say he wasn't leaving the dolphins? how many times did kelly say he was staying at oregon???---even AFTER interviewing in philly! didn't urban say he was quitting coaching to spend a lot more time with family???--i wonder, does that include his ESPN stints before taking up the job at OSU shortly after?? the list of examples like this goes on and on. is that enough "strawmen" for ya??

come on man. you are no prognosticator, and neither is your "powerful friend" in cincy. wake up.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

You may want to rant at what I wrote, instead of strawmen. Nowhere in that article did I say his players were happy or unhappy for him.

I merely passed on what a powerful person in Cincinnati told me about Jones. Nothing malicious in either of us; just asked him what he thought, and he is the one who stated that those three groups had been assured by Jones that he wanted to stay in Cincinnati.

Sorry you feel that way, but.

Just that simple.

Oh...and a college coach at a major university telling folks what they want to hear.....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! What INSIGHT you have!!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That must have taken YEARS of study!

Tell me...if Tennessee scores more points than the other team in a football game...does that mean they win??? Does the quarterback want to put the ball where the reciever can catch it??? TELL ME MORE JOHN MADDEN!

Rumblefish writes:

The offensive line's job is to protect the quarterback on a pass play.

The running back doesn't want to fumble the ball away to the other team.

What the kicker wants to do, is put the ball between the uprights and give his team some points on the board.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Give us some more of your "insight" volthrunthru!!!!

VolFanInTheBoro (Inactive) writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

uhh...you could say what you said about any coach who leaves one position for another. how many times did nick saban say he wasn't leaving the dolphins? how many times did kelly say he was staying at oregon???---even AFTER interviewing in philly! didn't urban say he was quitting coaching to spend a lot more time with family???--i wonder, does that include his ESPN stints before taking up the job at OSU shortly after?? the list of examples like this goes on and on. is that enough "strawmen" for ya??

come on man. you are no prognosticator, and neither is your "powerful friend" in cincy. wake up.

notvolrunthru is a real captain obvious

hateNCloveTN writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

I wish this Fall was going to be different. Jones will do no better than Dooley on-field: beat Austin Peays & get racked up by Oregons, Floridas, Bamas & SC's. I am ill at ease from what I have seen. Here's why:

a. A widely respected friend-a friend among Cincinnati powerful says people there were stunned when Jones left. Jones had assured townies, school & players how much he wanted stay, a few weeks before bolting.

b. Here, Jones proclaims he will have the best coaching staff in the USA. He hires his from Cincinnati, without talking to several available widely respected, nationally known coaches/coordinators.

c. He claims he has wanted to coach here all his life. Strange for a Michigan guy---especially one who wanted to stay in Cincinnati.

d. He says UT can win the SEC with Tennessee H.S. players, which East, West, &---to a lesser degree--- Middle Tennessee fans, want to hear. Within two days Phillip Fulmer, who could have said nothing, says Jones has never recruited nationally, but must, he is to succeed here.
When he left, Jones made sure to take one of UC's committed recruits---a 2-star lineman. Maybe from UC or Central Mich., a 2-stars is national recruiting. Not in the SEC. SEC Coaches doing that when leaving, are not very well thought of.
e. Trust is apparently not bedrock in cultures that he comes from.

1) This week we learned that his mentor, Kelly, at N.D. , whom Jones followed at Central Mich., then Cincinnati---as Kelly got better jobs---does the same kind of you-gotta-cut-the-cards when he talks.

Having proclaimed love for N.D., Kelly then interviews at Philly. Then we learn Notre Dame football under Kelly has covered up lies by his premier player---lies designed to get support from those who bestow post-season honors.

2) Also Jones told John Adams, for this article, a story which embarrasses the President of the University of Cincinnati, but makes Jones look prescient.
My take-away:
a. Jones tells everybody what they want to hear.
b. Jones tells things to make himself look good that make others look bad.
c. Phillip Fulmer, in the meeting w/Jones, could not have missed discussing how mentally NOT tough & undisciplined Vols were w/Kiffen or Dooley.

Jones needs backing of Fulmer and former Vol players; so he hires a popular explayer...plus says what Fulmer wants to hear...says everywhere in Tennessee what they want to hear...tells recruits and parents what THEY want to hear. Jones does so to position himself. Jones is no reincarnation of The General; he is a masterful politician.

This guy gets multiple million$, plus his mid-major staff raises of 50%, his own contract makes him richer than the town he came from, regardless.

No wonder he tells everybody what they want to hear; Cheek, the Pres & Hart certainly told him what HE wanted to hear.

That will work until Oregon takes the field. Maybe Jones will have figured out by then what Oregon wants to hear.

In response to your "point a", don't you think your source might just be a litte pissed-off that the coach that has resurrected their program decided to go on to bigger and better things? I'd be mad as hell and talk trash about him too.

OldNumber7 writes:

in response to 9willbesofine:

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Go look at the facts...every single great coach-program turnaround began with a coach taking the 3 star teams and whipping the 5 star teams. Whether it's Saban at LSU, Meyer at Utah, Kelly at Cincinnati, Rodriguez at WVU..the list goes on. A coach establishes consistent winning programs with recruits...BUT MUST TAKE THE TEAM HE HAS (3-stars) AND BEAT THE GOLIATH WITH COACHING! This is the only way to sell the 5-stars to come. Strong took his lowly recruits and beat Florida's recruiting machine - COACHING! The NFL is not full of 5-stars...just so ya know.

underthehill writes:

in response to Geofffourmyle:

This is the same Adams that had an article before the 2012 UF game in which he opined that Dooley might go from Hot Seat to Hot Commodity.

The guy is not much of a prognosticator (That sentence when through a couple of rewrites).

Walt

UT '81

The article seems to me to be about "mental toughness" which the Vols..especially Bray..were a bit short of ..I don't think you have to be a prognosticator to figure that out..and I think mental toughness does come in part from the coaching..I haven't seen where anyone thought Dooley was capable of teaching mental toughness..Jones has his work cut out for him..let his work speak for itself..same as the opportunity given Dooley..all this stuff about how and why he came is garbage..he came for the money and a better job..same as most coaches do that get the chance..

volthrunthru#658770 writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

uhh...you could say what you said about any coach who leaves one position for another. how many times did nick saban say he wasn't leaving the dolphins? how many times did kelly say he was staying at oregon???---even AFTER interviewing in philly! didn't urban say he was quitting coaching to spend a lot more time with family???--i wonder, does that include his ESPN stints before taking up the job at OSU shortly after?? the list of examples like this goes on and on. is that enough "strawmen" for ya??

come on man. you are no prognosticator, and neither is your "powerful friend" in cincy. wake up.

Am not claiming to be a prophet, seer or even a weather forecaster. Just telling you what a guy who is pretty well connected to the powerful folks there, whom I have known a long time, says.

And I realize some coaches say a lot of stuff that may not be true. . . which is my point, exactly.

I just don't believe in guaranteeing them to be rich beyond belief to do it in Knoxville---and I certainly do not believe in guaranteeing anybody of midiocre (at best) track record that they can fail for several years,

but UT will dump enough money into your bank account to keep your family for the next 200 years,

That is what the University's leadership has been doing since Mike Hamilton's stupidity was unleashed upon the Vol Nation. All those presidents and chancellors, devolving into this one and Cheek, and now Hart as A.D.

UT fired Phillip Fulmer, whose record was better than the last four years, paid him $6MM, plus Dooley's $5MM, + Hamilton's high dollar bailout---running the department'$ re$erve$ into the dire to do it.

UT's annual Athletics expenditures are almost $125million. That is 1/2 a BILLION $$$ each five year; more than a BILLION dollars each decade.

For THIS??? For a Basketball Coach who lies to the NCAA? For a Replacement whose team is 0-3 in SEC play. For two screwballs as Head Football Coach,before this new guy whose background suggests he is a great promiser---but may not be able to handle the traffic in the SEC as a Head Coach. And we guarantee him that his family for a hundred years---unless they really screw up the investments---will be "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous?" Just because he is adept at promising some Vol fans what they want to hear?

Who the HexX is running the store in Knoxville? Whoever it is needs to put down the crack pipe. (They can, now, because Kiffin's players are gone, mostly.) And Dooley's are to lethargic after 30 minutes on the field to do much damage, regardless.

volthrunthru#658770 writes:

in response to hateNCloveTN:

In response to your "point a", don't you think your source might just be a litte pissed-off that the coach that has resurrected their program decided to go on to bigger and better things? I'd be mad as hell and talk trash about him too.

Good question.

My source is a friend, whom I have known for decades. He has no dog in the hunt---and is not connected to the University of Cincinnati. He is a powerful guy in that town, though, and really wired in.

He does not care what UC does or does not do, from a fan's standpoint, although I suspect he wishes them well. He is a good guy; and he was merely surprised that somebody would bail after what he thought was a short time, especially after making those comments.

LCPanthers (Inactive) writes:

Can not be any worse than last year.If we have a good recruiting class and coach's system works like at other places he was at,we will be fine.A tweak here and there.Can anyone see an 7-5 maybe 8-4 ???

CCLC writes:

in response to underthehill:

The article seems to me to be about "mental toughness" which the Vols..especially Bray..were a bit short of ..I don't think you have to be a prognosticator to figure that out..and I think mental toughness does come in part from the coaching..I haven't seen where anyone thought Dooley was capable of teaching mental toughness..Jones has his work cut out for him..let his work speak for itself..same as the opportunity given Dooley..all this stuff about how and why he came is garbage..he came for the money and a better job..same as most coaches do that get the chance..

Agreed. The article was about mental toughness. But is coming back in the Belk Bowl against perennial ACC power DUKE (6-7) the barometer for mental toughness that he brings to UT?

" I also remembered what I saw of Jones' previous team in a Belk Bowl victory over Duke.

Jones said the University of Cincinnati president texted him as the Bearcats fell behind 16-0.

"These kids will be fine," Jones responded. "They have been trained."

emailnodata (Inactive) writes:

Yeah, well, anyone remember the disaster that was Fred Pancoast at Vandy?

He was a "drill sergeant" type, and his players hated him.

This may not be what Jones really is, but it sure evokes that memory for me (I played HS ball with some future Vandy players, against some others).

emailnodata (Inactive) writes:

Speaking of older days and how persona can be misleading:
the best HS player I ever lined up against was a fellow named EJ Junior, or Maplewood. They ran a 6-1 D, and he made every play. Never ran his mouth, not flashy or trashy.

I don't know his honors, but he went on to Bama and the Cardinals and did pretty well at at both places.

emailnodata (Inactive) writes:

Speaking of celebrations....

Offensive linemen are missing the boat. You know, a D-lineman does his little dance after making an average hit, same with a LB or DB...and the offensive players?? Might as well be ballerinas in tights.

But, the offensive line guys??? They kick out an end on a trap, or lead a sweep, or crush a linebacker, these guys just get up and amble back to the huddle.

We can't have that; O-line, you boys need to act the fool when you do your job.

robkastens writes:

It seems as if this article is very positive about Coach Jones and his leadership and the challenges ahead. So why such a negative slant on the title?

licknpromise777#651578 writes:

The one positive change with Jones is the players seem to have a better attitude and team spirit..Dooleys former players at La Tech made the same change and were not shy in saying they were happy when Dooley left.A 6-6 season next year would say we are on the right track but will not happen if Worley can't lead this team. Unfortunate that QB Ferguson isn't an early enrollee. Ferguson isn't a long ball QB but is deadly rolling out, he can run,and is a win at all cost kind of guy.

MooseandSquirrelVol writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

I wish this Fall was going to be different. Jones will do no better than Dooley on-field: beat Austin Peays & get racked up by Oregons, Floridas, Bamas & SC's. I am ill at ease from what I have seen. Here's why:

a. A widely respected friend-a friend among Cincinnati powerful says people there were stunned when Jones left. Jones had assured townies, school & players how much he wanted stay, a few weeks before bolting.

b. Here, Jones proclaims he will have the best coaching staff in the USA. He hires his from Cincinnati, without talking to several available widely respected, nationally known coaches/coordinators.

c. He claims he has wanted to coach here all his life. Strange for a Michigan guy---especially one who wanted to stay in Cincinnati.

d. He says UT can win the SEC with Tennessee H.S. players, which East, West, &---to a lesser degree--- Middle Tennessee fans, want to hear. Within two days Phillip Fulmer, who could have said nothing, says Jones has never recruited nationally, but must, he is to succeed here.
When he left, Jones made sure to take one of UC's committed recruits---a 2-star lineman. Maybe from UC or Central Mich., a 2-stars is national recruiting. Not in the SEC. SEC Coaches doing that when leaving, are not very well thought of.
e. Trust is apparently not bedrock in cultures that he comes from.

1) This week we learned that his mentor, Kelly, at N.D. , whom Jones followed at Central Mich., then Cincinnati---as Kelly got better jobs---does the same kind of you-gotta-cut-the-cards when he talks.

Having proclaimed love for N.D., Kelly then interviews at Philly. Then we learn Notre Dame football under Kelly has covered up lies by his premier player---lies designed to get support from those who bestow post-season honors.

2) Also Jones told John Adams, for this article, a story which embarrasses the President of the University of Cincinnati, but makes Jones look prescient.
My take-away:
a. Jones tells everybody what they want to hear.
b. Jones tells things to make himself look good that make others look bad.
c. Phillip Fulmer, in the meeting w/Jones, could not have missed discussing how mentally NOT tough & undisciplined Vols were w/Kiffen or Dooley.

Jones needs backing of Fulmer and former Vol players; so he hires a popular explayer...plus says what Fulmer wants to hear...says everywhere in Tennessee what they want to hear...tells recruits and parents what THEY want to hear. Jones does so to position himself. Jones is no reincarnation of The General; he is a masterful politician.

This guy gets multiple million$, plus his mid-major staff raises of 50%, his own contract makes him richer than the town he came from, regardless.

No wonder he tells everybody what they want to hear; Cheek, the Pres & Hart certainly told him what HE wanted to hear.

That will work until Oregon takes the field. Maybe Jones will have figured out by then what Oregon wants to hear.

I stopped reading at a-friend-of-a-friend said.

laraccoon writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

You may want to rant at what I wrote, instead of strawmen. Nowhere in that article did I say his players were happy or unhappy for him.

I merely passed on what a powerful person in Cincinnati told me about Jones. Nothing malicious in either of us; just asked him what he thought, and he is the one who stated that those three groups had been assured by Jones that he wanted to stay in Cincinnati.

Sorry you feel that way, but.

Just that simple.

dude i got one question for you and your "powerful person from Cincinnati" didnt they get a little suspicious he might leave while Jones was interviewing for the 3 or 4 other jobs he mostly turned down ?

flatrock writes:

Worley will be fine. It is extremely unfortunate that he was thrown into the fire (vs. the best teams in the USA) without any weapons around him- and wasted a redshirt year. He is bigger and stronger now and he has the number one ingredient missing at QB the last 3 years at UT-
a brain...IMHO, he should have been the No. 1 QB this past fall.

CoverOrange writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

Good question.

My source is a friend, whom I have known for decades. He has no dog in the hunt---and is not connected to the University of Cincinnati. He is a powerful guy in that town, though, and really wired in.

He does not care what UC does or does not do, from a fan's standpoint, although I suspect he wishes them well. He is a good guy; and he was merely surprised that somebody would bail after what he thought was a short time, especially after making those comments.

Brian Kelly said the same thing to UC, that he want to be there to oversee rise of Bearcat football and implored UC Board to plow money into the facilities and Nippert Stadium. Tough thing to do for a small school in a mid sized town where competition for ticket dollars is with the Bengals and Reds. But they did and Brian Kelly bolted a year later. Why would they be surprised by Jones leaving?

Your post is the second time I've read that Fulmer weighed in on Jones. Is there an article published on this or is that hearsay as well? Just asking. I am constantly amazed at the number of posters with seemingly inside information.

orangecountyvols writes:

Moose,

You said it friend. Back to the caption of this article...........this is what Adams and several well known negative prognosticators we've already witnessed with space taken up.........are counting on. Tough times. So many doom and gloomers never see any reason to look for something positive happening in the program. Notice, it's about looking back on any failures, and assuming that's how it always will be.

We know it hasn't been the way we had hoped, for several years now. We want it to improve, to be substantially better. However, there are those who think instant success is going to happen, and that's not going to be the case. Once a game or two doesn't pan out well for a few of the desperate participants
on this site.........be ready for the familiar get rid of the coach conversation.
Heck, some are talking this way before the Orange and White game even. It's going to take time, whether people want to accept that or not. But, we must see progress.

Let's see how it goes for Butch and staff. It's just January........so who knows, we may be surprised by signing date at who we just might get. That would be a good start.

AllforTenn writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

Good question.

My source is a friend, whom I have known for decades. He has no dog in the hunt---and is not connected to the University of Cincinnati. He is a powerful guy in that town, though, and really wired in.

He does not care what UC does or does not do, from a fan's standpoint, although I suspect he wishes them well. He is a good guy; and he was merely surprised that somebody would bail after what he thought was a short time, especially after making those comments.

All those ramifications based on what a "powerful guy in town" thinks. I have a friend in Cincinnati also, but he seems to face reality more than yours. Coaches usually leave one job for a better one. Your powerful guy needs to get over it.

wilk58 writes:

in response to licknpromise777#651578:

The one positive change with Jones is the players seem to have a better attitude and team spirit..Dooleys former players at La Tech made the same change and were not shy in saying they were happy when Dooley left.A 6-6 season next year would say we are on the right track but will not happen if Worley can't lead this team. Unfortunate that QB Ferguson isn't an early enrollee. Ferguson isn't a long ball QB but is deadly rolling out, he can run,and is a win at all cost kind of guy.

Its amazing. The kids that aren't here are the answer. The ones that are. Well, there bums.

tovolny writes:

in response to SeaBassHauling:

A heading like that....in the middle of a very important recruiting weekend....! critical time of recruiting...! I was informed that the J word wasn't allowed to be used on this site...! how can UT allow this man to write articles on UT??? Mr. Adams I will never ever read your stories again...I've read his stories before and can't believe he is even allowed around the team...!!!
BAND the NEGATIVE

John knows how to time his stuff for the most negative impact...no doubt. Going back and thinking of stuff J. A. and 'Gomer' have said in the Januarys of yore, we old galvanized Vol fans have just grown to expect it and just ignore it. First, what does the headline say? Who is the target of the headline? What was the objective of the headline? You are RIGHT, the headline does practically jump up and scare recruits (this weekend) just like a 'jack-in-the-box.' John knows how to spice up what might appear to the casual reader as UT compliments, but the spices are and were intended to leave a bad taste in everybody's mouth when thinking of Bruce Jones.
Let's hope that recruits understand the venom from the opposing pens, and look at what the University of Cincinnati Athletic Director said about Bruce Jones' departure. I believe recruits will look at what the Cincinnati players say and said about Bruce Jones more than they will believe what a TRADITIONALLY BIASED sportswriter conjures up.

underthehill writes:

in response to CCLC:

Agreed. The article was about mental toughness. But is coming back in the Belk Bowl against perennial ACC power DUKE (6-7) the barometer for mental toughness that he brings to UT?

" I also remembered what I saw of Jones' previous team in a Belk Bowl victory over Duke.

Jones said the University of Cincinnati president texted him as the Bearcats fell behind 16-0.

"These kids will be fine," Jones responded. "They have been trained."

Your point is well taken..Cincy coming back in the Belk Bowl is not a barometer for mental toughness..that comeback had more to do with Duke unforced mistakes than mental toughness of Cincy..I also think the point that the Vol team last year lacked mental toughness is a very valid one..this ain't all they lacked and I agree with those who say it's going to take a while..Jones seems to be doing the best he can ..and I see no sense in being critical or nit picking before evidence justifies it..as it did with Dooley..

Pompey writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

I wish this Fall was going to be different. Jones will do no better than Dooley on-field: beat Austin Peays & get racked up by Oregons, Floridas, Bamas & SC's. I am ill at ease from what I have seen. Here's why:

a. A widely respected friend-a friend among Cincinnati powerful says people there were stunned when Jones left. Jones had assured townies, school & players how much he wanted stay, a few weeks before bolting.

b. Here, Jones proclaims he will have the best coaching staff in the USA. He hires his from Cincinnati, without talking to several available widely respected, nationally known coaches/coordinators.

c. He claims he has wanted to coach here all his life. Strange for a Michigan guy---especially one who wanted to stay in Cincinnati.

d. He says UT can win the SEC with Tennessee H.S. players, which East, West, &---to a lesser degree--- Middle Tennessee fans, want to hear. Within two days Phillip Fulmer, who could have said nothing, says Jones has never recruited nationally, but must, he is to succeed here.
When he left, Jones made sure to take one of UC's committed recruits---a 2-star lineman. Maybe from UC or Central Mich., a 2-stars is national recruiting. Not in the SEC. SEC Coaches doing that when leaving, are not very well thought of.
e. Trust is apparently not bedrock in cultures that he comes from.

1) This week we learned that his mentor, Kelly, at N.D. , whom Jones followed at Central Mich., then Cincinnati---as Kelly got better jobs---does the same kind of you-gotta-cut-the-cards when he talks.

Having proclaimed love for N.D., Kelly then interviews at Philly. Then we learn Notre Dame football under Kelly has covered up lies by his premier player---lies designed to get support from those who bestow post-season honors.

2) Also Jones told John Adams, for this article, a story which embarrasses the President of the University of Cincinnati, but makes Jones look prescient.
My take-away:
a. Jones tells everybody what they want to hear.
b. Jones tells things to make himself look good that make others look bad.
c. Phillip Fulmer, in the meeting w/Jones, could not have missed discussing how mentally NOT tough & undisciplined Vols were w/Kiffen or Dooley.

Jones needs backing of Fulmer and former Vol players; so he hires a popular explayer...plus says what Fulmer wants to hear...says everywhere in Tennessee what they want to hear...tells recruits and parents what THEY want to hear. Jones does so to position himself. Jones is no reincarnation of The General; he is a masterful politician.

This guy gets multiple million$, plus his mid-major staff raises of 50%, his own contract makes him richer than the town he came from, regardless.

No wonder he tells everybody what they want to hear; Cheek, the Pres & Hart certainly told him what HE wanted to hear.

That will work until Oregon takes the field. Maybe Jones will have figured out by then what Oregon wants to hear.

....people like you will never be satisfied with any coach. If a Vol fan at all, you are at best a fair weather fan who will climb aboard the bandwaggon only when its winning...seen it all before.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to licknpromise777#651578:

The one positive change with Jones is the players seem to have a better attitude and team spirit..Dooleys former players at La Tech made the same change and were not shy in saying they were happy when Dooley left.A 6-6 season next year would say we are on the right track but will not happen if Worley can't lead this team. Unfortunate that QB Ferguson isn't an early enrollee. Ferguson isn't a long ball QB but is deadly rolling out, he can run,and is a win at all cost kind of guy.

Actually it takes about 4 starts (against quality competition) for a competent QB to really grasp a system. Worley has been thrown in several games against top ten type defenses. If he can weather the storm early against UO & FU, he may adjust faster than anticipated. Don't forget Tony Pike that played QB at Cincy, they geared the offense around his strength (throwing the fb). Peterman is a dark horse QB in this equation, he's more mobile than Worley and if he has a good Spring could emerge as the starting QB game one. The cupboard is not bare at QB, but UT's young WR's (like Bowles&Croom) need to step up and make a difference this year.

ARANGEVOL writes:

in response to LCPanthers:

Can not be any worse than last year.If we have a good recruiting class and coach's system works like at other places he was at,we will be fine.A tweak here and there.Can anyone see an 7-5 maybe 8-4 ???

NO more like 5 or 6.

jimr07 writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

I wish this Fall was going to be different. Jones will do no better than Dooley on-field: beat Austin Peays & get racked up by Oregons, Floridas, Bamas & SC's. I am ill at ease from what I have seen. Here's why:

a. A widely respected friend-a friend among Cincinnati powerful says people there were stunned when Jones left. Jones had assured townies, school & players how much he wanted stay, a few weeks before bolting.

b. Here, Jones proclaims he will have the best coaching staff in the USA. He hires his from Cincinnati, without talking to several available widely respected, nationally known coaches/coordinators.

c. He claims he has wanted to coach here all his life. Strange for a Michigan guy---especially one who wanted to stay in Cincinnati.

d. He says UT can win the SEC with Tennessee H.S. players, which East, West, &---to a lesser degree--- Middle Tennessee fans, want to hear. Within two days Phillip Fulmer, who could have said nothing, says Jones has never recruited nationally, but must, he is to succeed here.
When he left, Jones made sure to take one of UC's committed recruits---a 2-star lineman. Maybe from UC or Central Mich., a 2-stars is national recruiting. Not in the SEC. SEC Coaches doing that when leaving, are not very well thought of.
e. Trust is apparently not bedrock in cultures that he comes from.

1) This week we learned that his mentor, Kelly, at N.D. , whom Jones followed at Central Mich., then Cincinnati---as Kelly got better jobs---does the same kind of you-gotta-cut-the-cards when he talks.

Having proclaimed love for N.D., Kelly then interviews at Philly. Then we learn Notre Dame football under Kelly has covered up lies by his premier player---lies designed to get support from those who bestow post-season honors.

2) Also Jones told John Adams, for this article, a story which embarrasses the President of the University of Cincinnati, but makes Jones look prescient.
My take-away:
a. Jones tells everybody what they want to hear.
b. Jones tells things to make himself look good that make others look bad.
c. Phillip Fulmer, in the meeting w/Jones, could not have missed discussing how mentally NOT tough & undisciplined Vols were w/Kiffen or Dooley.

Jones needs backing of Fulmer and former Vol players; so he hires a popular explayer...plus says what Fulmer wants to hear...says everywhere in Tennessee what they want to hear...tells recruits and parents what THEY want to hear. Jones does so to position himself. Jones is no reincarnation of The General; he is a masterful politician.

This guy gets multiple million$, plus his mid-major staff raises of 50%, his own contract makes him richer than the town he came from, regardless.

No wonder he tells everybody what they want to hear; Cheek, the Pres & Hart certainly told him what HE wanted to hear.

That will work until Oregon takes the field. Maybe Jones will have figured out by then what Oregon wants to hear.

Really uplifting post.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to CCLC:

Agreed. The article was about mental toughness. But is coming back in the Belk Bowl against perennial ACC power DUKE (6-7) the barometer for mental toughness that he brings to UT?

" I also remembered what I saw of Jones' previous team in a Belk Bowl victory over Duke.

Jones said the University of Cincinnati president texted him as the Bearcats fell behind 16-0.

"These kids will be fine," Jones responded. "They have been trained."

I wonder how well UGA would have performed in their bowl without CMR at the helm? It does say a lot for a team to win with interim coach's in place of the HC. Many generation x&y athletes are completely invested in the HC and when he leaves thay can't focus on anything but a relationship that has been taken from them.

wagee12 writes:

Wow, who is this azzclown writing all the manifestoes here? Hey Bozo, your powerful friend, does that mean he can pick up the front end of a VW Beetle? Your rambling posts do have some comedic value but other than that, don't you have some paint you can go watch dry? I for one am sick of negatrons like you and would prefer that you go stalk politicans rather than football coaches. Just a thought!

jone8191#247590 writes:

While I know there are some tough times and games ahead, I can't help but feeling that better times are ahead and the worst is behind us. Tennessee stayed with Fulmer too long and then made two (TWO!) horrendous hires in row. That is how you get to where we are. We have a good coach in place in what is the best Saturday afternoon venue in college football. Let's hope the turnaround it sooner rather than later.

JWC52 writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

You may want to rant at what I wrote, instead of strawmen. Nowhere in that article did I say his players were happy or unhappy for him.

I merely passed on what a powerful person in Cincinnati told me about Jones. Nothing malicious in either of us; just asked him what he thought, and he is the one who stated that those three groups had been assured by Jones that he wanted to stay in Cincinnati.

Sorry you feel that way, but.

Just that simple.

This is based on what a "powerful person from Cincinnati " says. Really? You guys kill me with this phooey! Go find some other sight for your negative dribble. You have no clue what you are talking about if its all based on second hand info. Is that the best u can do?

murrayvol writes:

in response to jimr07:

Really uplifting post.

Made me want to tape my ankles and puke.

chuckfromwoodberry writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

I wish this Fall was going to be different. Jones will do no better than Dooley on-field: beat Austin Peays & get racked up by Oregons, Floridas, Bamas & SC's. I am ill at ease from what I have seen. Here's why:

a. A widely respected friend-a friend among Cincinnati powerful says people there were stunned when Jones left. Jones had assured townies, school & players how much he wanted stay, a few weeks before bolting.

b. Here, Jones proclaims he will have the best coaching staff in the USA. He hires his from Cincinnati, without talking to several available widely respected, nationally known coaches/coordinators.

c. He claims he has wanted to coach here all his life. Strange for a Michigan guy---especially one who wanted to stay in Cincinnati.

d. He says UT can win the SEC with Tennessee H.S. players, which East, West, &---to a lesser degree--- Middle Tennessee fans, want to hear. Within two days Phillip Fulmer, who could have said nothing, says Jones has never recruited nationally, but must, he is to succeed here.
When he left, Jones made sure to take one of UC's committed recruits---a 2-star lineman. Maybe from UC or Central Mich., a 2-stars is national recruiting. Not in the SEC. SEC Coaches doing that when leaving, are not very well thought of.
e. Trust is apparently not bedrock in cultures that he comes from.

1) This week we learned that his mentor, Kelly, at N.D. , whom Jones followed at Central Mich., then Cincinnati---as Kelly got better jobs---does the same kind of you-gotta-cut-the-cards when he talks.

Having proclaimed love for N.D., Kelly then interviews at Philly. Then we learn Notre Dame football under Kelly has covered up lies by his premier player---lies designed to get support from those who bestow post-season honors.

2) Also Jones told John Adams, for this article, a story which embarrasses the President of the University of Cincinnati, but makes Jones look prescient.
My take-away:
a. Jones tells everybody what they want to hear.
b. Jones tells things to make himself look good that make others look bad.
c. Phillip Fulmer, in the meeting w/Jones, could not have missed discussing how mentally NOT tough & undisciplined Vols were w/Kiffen or Dooley.

Jones needs backing of Fulmer and former Vol players; so he hires a popular explayer...plus says what Fulmer wants to hear...says everywhere in Tennessee what they want to hear...tells recruits and parents what THEY want to hear. Jones does so to position himself. Jones is no reincarnation of The General; he is a masterful politician.

This guy gets multiple million$, plus his mid-major staff raises of 50%, his own contract makes him richer than the town he came from, regardless.

No wonder he tells everybody what they want to hear; Cheek, the Pres & Hart certainly told him what HE wanted to hear.

That will work until Oregon takes the field. Maybe Jones will have figured out by then what Oregon wants to hear.

I have a friend who knows somebody who is friends with the husband of a woman that works at Cincinnati.......blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada. What we want to hear from you is SILENCE.

murrayvol writes:

"The tightest games repeatedly brought out the worst in the Vols." J. Adams

Sad to say but true. And I think that reflects coaching or rather a lack of coaching. Not much mental toughness over the past 3 years.

6972 writes:

Sometimes I wish JA would use his fingers to pick his nose insteading of using them to type on a key board.

Here's some "news" for JA. I don't think any Vol fan expect a national championship this year?

Does anyone expect a walk in the park this year? New QB, new receivers, tough schedule, etc.

CCLC writes:

in response to underthehill:

Your point is well taken..Cincy coming back in the Belk Bowl is not a barometer for mental toughness..that comeback had more to do with Duke unforced mistakes than mental toughness of Cincy..I also think the point that the Vol team last year lacked mental toughness is a very valid one..this ain't all they lacked and I agree with those who say it's going to take a while..Jones seems to be doing the best he can ..and I see no sense in being critical or nit picking before evidence justifies it..as it did with Dooley..

There were several games last year where UT got behind early but managed to climb back into it. It just seems like when the O started to drive and maybe .... snatch victory from the jaws of defeat .... it would just come apart. Example: uSC. You had to believe at the end with UT driving they were going to win that game. In fact I said to my Aunt while watching it. " I'll be darned... UT is gonna win this thing. How bout that!" AND THEN DISASTER strikes. Tackles wiffs on a block, Brey is hit.. fumble ... GameCock ball. I couldn't believe. Neither could my Aunt. She said: "What just happened? What just happened?" Snake bit I said.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to murrayvol:

"The tightest games repeatedly brought out the worst in the Vols." J. Adams

Sad to say but true. And I think that reflects coaching or rather a lack of coaching. Not much mental toughness over the past 3 years.

You also have to take in account that UT was a scoring drive away from wins at UGA, MSU and USCe. All those games were on the road, if UT had any discipline at all defensively we win those games. You're correct, coaching was the biggest problem with the team. I'm sick of hearing UT is out-classed talent wise and then see Stanford with average speed DL/LB's completely shut down teams like Oregon. UT deserves better.

pj_ladyvolnMI writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

Good question.

My source is a friend, whom I have known for decades. He has no dog in the hunt---and is not connected to the University of Cincinnati. He is a powerful guy in that town, though, and really wired in.

He does not care what UC does or does not do, from a fan's standpoint, although I suspect he wishes them well. He is a good guy; and he was merely surprised that somebody would bail after what he thought was a short time, especially after making those comments.

And they can't understand someone making statements like that BEFORE they know their dream job is even an option? He thought he'd talked to everyone interested. How is that hard to understand? How wise would it have been from any viewpoint for him to pass up this job? Plug in any other person/career advancement/income growth into that scenario. That doesn't make him a bad person in the least, like you're implying. BTW, a "short time" is one year, not 3. Yet, as much as I hated it, I understand Ki__in's move. (And am really glad he's not here.)

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