David Climer: Vols staff looks close to home for recruits

Tennessee athletics director Dave Hart, right, presents new football head coach Butch Jones at a press conference Dec. 7 in the Peyton Manning Locker Room Complex at Neyland Stadium. (ADAM BRIMER/NEWS SENTINEL)

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Tennessee athletics director Dave Hart, right, presents new football head coach Butch Jones at a press conference Dec. 7 in the Peyton Manning Locker Room Complex at Neyland Stadium. (ADAM BRIMER/NEWS SENTINEL)

NASHVILLE - Unless you study the weird pseudo science of recruiting, the name Vonn Bell probably doesn’t mean anything to you.

But if you’re at all interested in the Tennessee Vols’ success or lack of same on the football field, the name is important.

Bell is one of those All-Everything high school phenoms, a player of such talent and potential he has been christened with five stars by Rivals.com, which keeps hourly tabs on recruiting.

As a difference-making defensive back prospect, Bell is a prime example of the type of player new UT Coach Butch Jones has vowed to make his top recruiting priority. Jones has said the Vols “will own our state” in recruiting.

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Rumblefish writes:

you gotta recruit nationally

voloffaith writes:

Wow...Rumble in the jungle with that post.......yes, but you better pay atttention to your back porch there might be somebody there you want with them others from off the porch. Stating the obvious sometimes is obvious to all.

VOLsince68 writes:

Not when you have 5* prospects in your own backyard.

GBO VFL

Rumblefish writes:

in response to voloffaith:

Wow...Rumble in the jungle with that post.......yes, but you better pay atttention to your back porch there might be somebody there you want with them others from off the porch. Stating the obvious sometimes is obvious to all.

i'm flattered

whatthe84 writes:

This is the reason our Vols are in the situation they are in right now. The recruiting has been terrible for a long time. We can talk about recruiting nationally all we want but you must take the best instate players and you must recruit them and make them feel you want them. Over the last few years we have missed on many instate players and signed many out of state players that turned out to be duds (Bryce Brown and J. Jackson) just to name two. We have missed on many instate players and Dooly was burning down the bridges to the high schools instate. It appears Jones is smart enough to realize that he must develop and maintain relationships with high schools and the coaches throughout the state and neighboring states. It will take time to turn around this wrong approach. We currently have a stable of mismatched slow players who will have to begin the process of trying to restore a winning tradition. I for one hope Jones is the man for the job and we begin to see glimmers of hope as we move forward. I hope our fan base will give him the support and time he will need to accomplish this difficult task. I think this will take a long time personally but we will begin to see if his approach is a winning approach. Dooly was a complete failure in winning and turning the program around. His recruiting was abysmal and his management style was horrible the fact that his staff turned over like it did was clear evidence of that. Really he did not have a clue on how to win. Every time he had a chance to win a big game he found a way to lose it. I think we remained stagnant or regressed under his watch, certainly our lean stable of players is evident of his failure. Jones will begin the process of making chicken salad out of chicken *&^%. Good luck coach Jones we support you and look forward to better days.

GreeneVol writes:

Sounds like the work ethic on the Hill has been off for a while. Maybe Jones & his staff can stay together and diligently work the regional high schools to make the necessary in-roads to get our share of recruits in the next few years. When you've dug yourself into a hole, you simply have to dig your way out of it which is a lot harder. Not expecting any first-class miracles, but long-term, 'the harder you work, the luckier you get'.

dragon18 writes:

in response to whatthe84:

This is the reason our Vols are in the situation they are in right now. The recruiting has been terrible for a long time. We can talk about recruiting nationally all we want but you must take the best instate players and you must recruit them and make them feel you want them. Over the last few years we have missed on many instate players and signed many out of state players that turned out to be duds (Bryce Brown and J. Jackson) just to name two. We have missed on many instate players and Dooly was burning down the bridges to the high schools instate. It appears Jones is smart enough to realize that he must develop and maintain relationships with high schools and the coaches throughout the state and neighboring states. It will take time to turn around this wrong approach. We currently have a stable of mismatched slow players who will have to begin the process of trying to restore a winning tradition. I for one hope Jones is the man for the job and we begin to see glimmers of hope as we move forward. I hope our fan base will give him the support and time he will need to accomplish this difficult task. I think this will take a long time personally but we will begin to see if his approach is a winning approach. Dooly was a complete failure in winning and turning the program around. His recruiting was abysmal and his management style was horrible the fact that his staff turned over like it did was clear evidence of that. Really he did not have a clue on how to win. Every time he had a chance to win a big game he found a way to lose it. I think we remained stagnant or regressed under his watch, certainly our lean stable of players is evident of his failure. Jones will begin the process of making chicken salad out of chicken *&^%. Good luck coach Jones we support you and look forward to better days.

I agree with you that Dooley did not know how to win. That was evident in many late game decisions that he made (or didn't make). I will have to disagree that the program in general is in worse shape than when he took over. It is in better shape now. It is still far from where it needs to be and the departure of the 3 major offensive threats will not help. However, I am really excited about CBJ and the way he has hit the ground running. I feel like this guy is a winner and has that "it" quality as a coach. he has surely had it in the past, We'll just need to wait and see if it translates to SEC play.

BigBadVol writes:

Wow! An article by JA that I actually agree with. This has to be a first.

laraccoon writes:

your right whatthe , it will take time to fix the recruiting flaws that appear to have been going on for a while , but it is nice to hear that Jones has been all over this problem since his arrival , shows he has some smarts and attention to detail which apparently have been overlooked for a while .

easleychuck writes:

Recruiting in many ways is like politics. It is local. Coach Jones seems to understand that you have to do the little things.

The last 3 coaches never had to do the grunt work to get recruits but I really think that Coach Jones understands the concept of recruiting based upon his experience of doing it as an underdog.

Fulmer - Head Coach or assistant at UT for the majority of his career. The UT name was what he used.

Kiffin - Daddy's boy who never had to do any heavy lifting, preferred to run his mouth about other programs.

Dooley - Daddy's boy who rode on coat tails of his father's name as a coach or on the Saban charm. And to me,his being a lawyer did not help when it came to recruiting. He seemed to think that he was the smartest guy in the room. That can lead to a vibe of arrogance that parents and recruits pick up on.

Jones - worked his way through the coaching ranks at smaller schools for the most part. Even as a head coach had to go head to head against more prestigous programs. He has the metal to get the job done.

63vet (Inactive) writes:

in response to BigBadVol:

Wow! An article by JA that I actually agree with. This has to be a first.

That's true.....except that it's not JA.

licknpromise777#651578 writes:

High time we keep the best state players at home..Myles and now Spurrier have their states locked down. Fulmer used to get a lot of talent out of So Carolina and wasn't bad in TN. No chance we land Bell after he sat in Sabans office surrounded by rings;trophies and ole shifty eyes line of BS..These 5 stars want national exposure;rings and NFL pipelines not rebuilds in the SEC cellar. Kudo's to Jones for swinging for the fence and he has been relentless so far. Jones is at least getting visits from players that had written us off. I don't think Jones will flip any of these long committed 4 stars but he will be a force to reckon with in 2014

maciste54 writes:

Pretty much sums up why Tennessee football is in the shape it's in. First Fulmer dropped the ball, then Kiffen let the air out and Dooley threw it in the trash.

maciste54 writes:

The more I hear about Dooley's recruiting practices or lack thereof the more glad I am he's gone. And this comes from someone who supported him steadfastly his first couple of years.

rtrchatt writes:

What line of BS used by CNS upsets you lol?

"We win, we go to class/graduate, we stay out of trouble off the field and if you are good enough I will help you get to the NFL." You do it our way or go elsewhere and good luck. Any of that bother you....

VolFanInTheBoro (Inactive) writes:

in response to rtrchatt:

What line of BS used by CNS upsets you lol?

"We win, we go to class/graduate, we stay out of trouble off the field and if you are good enough I will help you get to the NFL." You do it our way or go elsewhere and good luck. Any of that bother you....

The bandwagon fan has spoken. Didn't go to Alabama, not from Alabama, jumped on the bandwagon lately. Shen, I bet you weren't posting on this site in the late 90's. I don't know which is worse, bandwagon fans or trolls and you are both

VolGrad writes:

Quote:
“I’ve never gotten a prospect sheet from Tennessee,” Mariakis said.

From what Mariakis said, Dooley and his staff merely continued the approach Vols staffs have taken for years. Even Phillip Fulmer, who was known for dotting the I’s and crossing the UT’s in recruiting, dropped the ball.

“Sometimes people get on a high horse or a pedestal,” Mariakis said. “They seem to be saying, ‘If he’s a Vol fan, he’ll come to Tennessee.’ That’s not how recruiting works, especially these days.”

-- Claims this was going on during Fulmer's reign... yet we know CPF got 5 star recruits all the time (most seemed to never live up to the rating, but he got them). Seems this HS coach has a bit of a bone to pick. But, in any event, the former staff should have known about this kid and made inquiries.

I don't see CBJ as overlooking any of these details. More power to him moving forward. He brought his whole defensive staff for an in-home visit with Vonn Bell.

Go Vols!

BigBadVol writes:

in response to 63vet:

That's true.....except that it's not JA.

LOL! I didn't catch that. Maybe that's why I agreed with the article. Thanks for the correction.

pcshowtime writes:

a 5* is a 5* no matter where he is from great work coach jones. I must be honest I was nervous when Auburn hired rodney Garner and Arkansas hired Randy Shannon. I thought why can't we hire guys like that and for the short term if you think it does not give those schools a leg up on recruiting over UT you are lying to your self. However, I think coach jones has a staff that has been with him a long time and works well together. If I had won before with my staff I would not change it either. So now we are starting to see how hard they are working to up the recruiting bar at UT. The last coach here (I will no longer use his name)did a lot of damage in the Chattanooga area and his staff basically stopped recruiting half way through last year. So it is good to see Coach jones and Staff working hard.

VolinCalif writes:

in response to BigBadVol:

Wow! An article by JA that I actually agree with. This has to be a first.

Oh! No! BigBad.
You didn't read John's how to run from an Alligator?!!

usafvol writes:

in response to rtrchatt:

What line of BS used by CNS upsets you lol?

"We win, we go to class/graduate, we stay out of trouble off the field and if you are good enough I will help you get to the NFL." You do it our way or go elsewhere and good luck. Any of that bother you....

"Come to Alabama son, the local women will take really good care of you here". Thats the line CNS uses that upsets me..

brod writes:

biggest misconception of vol football fans. you have to recruit nationally. tennessee does not have to recruit nationally, they have to recruit regionally, which is much easier. tennessee, western north carolina, virginia. supplement with a few good recruits from georgia and mississippi and that's it. if you don't believe me look at the rosters of the teams from the 1990's.

Coach_K writes:

One of the reasons we need to do a better job of recruiting area h.s. kids is, They won't be so "homesick". How many kids have left due to family issues or because they felt outta place? Some of the departures are just normal to coaching changes, some have been due to a need to go back home where they feel comfortable. Here is quick list of guys in recent memory who should have rocked the POWER T: Patrick Willis (Brucetown, Tn, 2*, S.F. 49'ers), Harrison Smith (Knoxville, Tn, 4*, Minnesota Vikings) Dont'a Hightower (Lewisburg, TN, 4*, New England Patriots), Michael Oher (Memphis, Tn, 5*, Baltimore Ravens) Barrett Jones (Memphis, Tn, 4*, NC, top ten pick this year), Dontari Poe (Mamphis, Tn, 2*, Kansas City Cheifs),Golden Tate (Hendersonville, Tn, 4*, Seattle Seahawks), Randal Cobb (Alcoa, Tn, 2*, Green Bay Packers)

Notice that I only listed the ones we missed on. Some of which you'll notice were only two stars, hardly in a "bidding" war. All of these guys are starters or play significant roles in the NFL. This list does not include the guys who we got and failed to coach. I am sure I have missed some "under the radar" guys. While TN does not produce the numbers that a Fla, Tx, Ca, we do produce some of the best talent in the country.

Lock down the borders CBJ! Keep these boys home and help them bring the "crystal ball" back home!

PUL4VOLS writes:

One phrase I caught from the Clime-bot, "the rise of Vanderbilt", was interesting. Granted, Jimmyboy Franklin has done a great job with Vandy. They are much, much better. But their beating Tennessee once, in a very low time historically and winning a bowl/the games they won last year over nobodies, hardly seems on the rise to a point of really scaring Volunteer fans. Let them come this year and dominate in Neyland, let them vie for the East a few years and maybe just maybe, I'll see them on the rise in such a way to be concerned.
Finally, can we stop all the nega-stuff about former head coaches? Let's get behind the coach and staff we now have and do our fanpart to help in the rebuilding and what I hope will very soon be the "rise" and re-emergence of the Tennessee football Volunteers.

HopeisNotaCourseofAction writes:

CBJ is busting his butt to make up for previous failures by predecessors. A hard sell on this player when competing with the NC and the old gator boy up there in OH. This stud at one time was a UT fan, so let's see if CBJ can convincce him to e a part of our return to prominence.

We need that 5* RB too, and a few other quality difference makers who are still giving us a look. Although coming in late at no fault of their own, we'll see soon enough if this staff can begin to bring in the talent this year required to once again compete and win in the entire SEC with teams other than the ukittens.

6972 writes:

I'd like to thank Dooley for apparently doing NOTHING and I'd like to thank CBJ for trying to do SOMETHING.

Good luck sir in all your efforts. GBO.

HooRay_Vol writes:

in response to Coach_K:

One of the reasons we need to do a better job of recruiting area h.s. kids is, They won't be so "homesick". How many kids have left due to family issues or because they felt outta place? Some of the departures are just normal to coaching changes, some have been due to a need to go back home where they feel comfortable. Here is quick list of guys in recent memory who should have rocked the POWER T: Patrick Willis (Brucetown, Tn, 2*, S.F. 49'ers), Harrison Smith (Knoxville, Tn, 4*, Minnesota Vikings) Dont'a Hightower (Lewisburg, TN, 4*, New England Patriots), Michael Oher (Memphis, Tn, 5*, Baltimore Ravens) Barrett Jones (Memphis, Tn, 4*, NC, top ten pick this year), Dontari Poe (Mamphis, Tn, 2*, Kansas City Cheifs),Golden Tate (Hendersonville, Tn, 4*, Seattle Seahawks), Randal Cobb (Alcoa, Tn, 2*, Green Bay Packers)

Notice that I only listed the ones we missed on. Some of which you'll notice were only two stars, hardly in a "bidding" war. All of these guys are starters or play significant roles in the NFL. This list does not include the guys who we got and failed to coach. I am sure I have missed some "under the radar" guys. While TN does not produce the numbers that a Fla, Tx, Ca, we do produce some of the best talent in the country.

Lock down the borders CBJ! Keep these boys home and help them bring the "crystal ball" back home!

Nice post! It's a MUST that we get the top talent in TN and then fill the rest of the roster with "national" recruits.

murrayvol writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

you gotta recruit nationally

You gotta recruit locally too, if for no other reason, to develop a relationship with the HS coaches.

murrayvol writes:

in response to BigBadVol:

Wow! An article by JA that I actually agree with. This has to be a first.

I'm wondering who will be more upset with this, Climer or Adams.:{)

murrayvol writes:

in response to VolFanInTheBoro:

The bandwagon fan has spoken. Didn't go to Alabama, not from Alabama, jumped on the bandwagon lately. Shen, I bet you weren't posting on this site in the late 90's. I don't know which is worse, bandwagon fans or trolls and you are both

Bama fans don't have bandwagons. They have honeywagons.

murrayvol writes:

in response to Coach_K:

One of the reasons we need to do a better job of recruiting area h.s. kids is, They won't be so "homesick". How many kids have left due to family issues or because they felt outta place? Some of the departures are just normal to coaching changes, some have been due to a need to go back home where they feel comfortable. Here is quick list of guys in recent memory who should have rocked the POWER T: Patrick Willis (Brucetown, Tn, 2*, S.F. 49'ers), Harrison Smith (Knoxville, Tn, 4*, Minnesota Vikings) Dont'a Hightower (Lewisburg, TN, 4*, New England Patriots), Michael Oher (Memphis, Tn, 5*, Baltimore Ravens) Barrett Jones (Memphis, Tn, 4*, NC, top ten pick this year), Dontari Poe (Mamphis, Tn, 2*, Kansas City Cheifs),Golden Tate (Hendersonville, Tn, 4*, Seattle Seahawks), Randal Cobb (Alcoa, Tn, 2*, Green Bay Packers)

Notice that I only listed the ones we missed on. Some of which you'll notice were only two stars, hardly in a "bidding" war. All of these guys are starters or play significant roles in the NFL. This list does not include the guys who we got and failed to coach. I am sure I have missed some "under the radar" guys. While TN does not produce the numbers that a Fla, Tx, Ca, we do produce some of the best talent in the country.

Lock down the borders CBJ! Keep these boys home and help them bring the "crystal ball" back home!

He'll never "lock down the borders" completely but at least he's trying.

VolzsFan writes:

in response to VOLsince68:

Not when you have 5* prospects in your own backyard.

GBO VFL

a five star kid in Tennessee is like a 3 star in Alabama, Georgia or Mississippi. The amount of kids from Tenn in the SEC as a whole is a testament. You lock up the Tennessee borders for players and you would not even win the 1 AA title. That is why UT is such a hard job and a big stadium alone does not get what it did when you where the only game in town. Now everyone has a big stadium. UT will never be even close to what it was when the Hall of Famer was making his run. Get used to it.

antonio14313 writes:

in response to Coach_K:

One of the reasons we need to do a better job of recruiting area h.s. kids is, They won't be so "homesick". How many kids have left due to family issues or because they felt outta place? Some of the departures are just normal to coaching changes, some have been due to a need to go back home where they feel comfortable. Here is quick list of guys in recent memory who should have rocked the POWER T: Patrick Willis (Brucetown, Tn, 2*, S.F. 49'ers), Harrison Smith (Knoxville, Tn, 4*, Minnesota Vikings) Dont'a Hightower (Lewisburg, TN, 4*, New England Patriots), Michael Oher (Memphis, Tn, 5*, Baltimore Ravens) Barrett Jones (Memphis, Tn, 4*, NC, top ten pick this year), Dontari Poe (Mamphis, Tn, 2*, Kansas City Cheifs),Golden Tate (Hendersonville, Tn, 4*, Seattle Seahawks), Randal Cobb (Alcoa, Tn, 2*, Green Bay Packers)

Notice that I only listed the ones we missed on. Some of which you'll notice were only two stars, hardly in a "bidding" war. All of these guys are starters or play significant roles in the NFL. This list does not include the guys who we got and failed to coach. I am sure I have missed some "under the radar" guys. While TN does not produce the numbers that a Fla, Tx, Ca, we do produce some of the best talent in the country.

Lock down the borders CBJ! Keep these boys home and help them bring the "crystal ball" back home!

GREAT POST!!!!!!! i have been saying this for years! getting the most 4 star or 5 star guys doesn't really matter. it's how you coach whomever you bring in with whatever amount of stars that person has, that is what makes the difference. (patrick willis being only a 2 star blew my mind!!!) the only thing you can't coach up is speed and height (pun intended). so, in my opinion, getting fast WRs, DBs, LBs, RBs are where it's at. and, getting tall OTs (and kinda tall OGs and Cs), TEs, DEs (and maybe tall DTs and LBs). if they're too thin when they come in, give 'em a cheeseburger or 3. too fat? give 'em a diet! easy. stay in the weight room. teach technique, that's what's up. getting coachable, teachable, hungry guys that actually WANT to become, embrace, and forever be a tennessee volunteer is the main thing. go vols!!!

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usafvol writes:

in response to VolzsFan:

a five star kid in Tennessee is like a 3 star in Alabama, Georgia or Mississippi. The amount of kids from Tenn in the SEC as a whole is a testament. You lock up the Tennessee borders for players and you would not even win the 1 AA title. That is why UT is such a hard job and a big stadium alone does not get what it did when you where the only game in town. Now everyone has a big stadium. UT will never be even close to what it was when the Hall of Famer was making his run. Get used to it.

You're just a miserable little man aren't ya?

CoverOrange writes:

in response to Coach_K:

One of the reasons we need to do a better job of recruiting area h.s. kids is, They won't be so "homesick". How many kids have left due to family issues or because they felt outta place? Some of the departures are just normal to coaching changes, some have been due to a need to go back home where they feel comfortable. Here is quick list of guys in recent memory who should have rocked the POWER T: Patrick Willis (Brucetown, Tn, 2*, S.F. 49'ers), Harrison Smith (Knoxville, Tn, 4*, Minnesota Vikings) Dont'a Hightower (Lewisburg, TN, 4*, New England Patriots), Michael Oher (Memphis, Tn, 5*, Baltimore Ravens) Barrett Jones (Memphis, Tn, 4*, NC, top ten pick this year), Dontari Poe (Mamphis, Tn, 2*, Kansas City Cheifs),Golden Tate (Hendersonville, Tn, 4*, Seattle Seahawks), Randal Cobb (Alcoa, Tn, 2*, Green Bay Packers)

Notice that I only listed the ones we missed on. Some of which you'll notice were only two stars, hardly in a "bidding" war. All of these guys are starters or play significant roles in the NFL. This list does not include the guys who we got and failed to coach. I am sure I have missed some "under the radar" guys. While TN does not produce the numbers that a Fla, Tx, Ca, we do produce some of the best talent in the country.

Lock down the borders CBJ! Keep these boys home and help them bring the "crystal ball" back home!

There are five SEC schools closer to Memphis than Tennessee. Memphians don't necessarily have an affinity for UTK just because it has the name of their state in its name.

Golden Tate was from Knoxville and was dead set to go to Notre Dame from the get go. Fulmer had no chance.

As you saw from the movie, Michael Oher was influenced to go to Ole Miss although Fulmer supposedly came very close.

Point is, every recruit has a story and a reason for who they pick. Some may have been fans from way back others are bandwagoners and are just looking for their best opportunity.

The main reason to recruit locally is commonality and familiarity of culture with teammates and community. Avoiding the "felt outta place" as you said.

FWBVol writes:

in response to Coach_K:

One of the reasons we need to do a better job of recruiting area h.s. kids is, They won't be so "homesick". How many kids have left due to family issues or because they felt outta place? Some of the departures are just normal to coaching changes, some have been due to a need to go back home where they feel comfortable. Here is quick list of guys in recent memory who should have rocked the POWER T: Patrick Willis (Brucetown, Tn, 2*, S.F. 49'ers), Harrison Smith (Knoxville, Tn, 4*, Minnesota Vikings) Dont'a Hightower (Lewisburg, TN, 4*, New England Patriots), Michael Oher (Memphis, Tn, 5*, Baltimore Ravens) Barrett Jones (Memphis, Tn, 4*, NC, top ten pick this year), Dontari Poe (Mamphis, Tn, 2*, Kansas City Cheifs),Golden Tate (Hendersonville, Tn, 4*, Seattle Seahawks), Randal Cobb (Alcoa, Tn, 2*, Green Bay Packers)

Notice that I only listed the ones we missed on. Some of which you'll notice were only two stars, hardly in a "bidding" war. All of these guys are starters or play significant roles in the NFL. This list does not include the guys who we got and failed to coach. I am sure I have missed some "under the radar" guys. While TN does not produce the numbers that a Fla, Tx, Ca, we do produce some of the best talent in the country.

Lock down the borders CBJ! Keep these boys home and help them bring the "crystal ball" back home!

Yes, we missed on Cobb and some of the other guys you mentioned, but others on your list were stretches from the beginning.

Oher, if you saw the movie, The Blind Side, chose Ole Miss basically because the Touhy that adopted him off the streets were Ole Miss grads. Barrett Jones was an Alabama legacy who's dad had played for the Bear. Yes, he lived in Tennessee, but he was closer to Tuscaloosa in the Memphis area than he was to Knoxville. Harrison Smith was torn during the recruiting process between Notre Dame and Tennesssee, but the kid is a Catholic kid that attended Knoxville Catholic, and I believe his dad is a Notre Dame grad so it was going to be tough to keep him out of South Bend.

UT recruited Tate pretty strong, but he just chose Notre Dame.

You also listed a handful of 2-star kids that had Tennessee heavily recruited them, the fans would have gone through the roof.

As another poster pointed out, we will never lock down our borders completely. The big thing is to keep the kids that are great players in Tennessee and grew up dreaming of the Vols in the fold. We also must get the Tennessee kids that might not have been Vol fans, but are great players on board about playing for the home state team.

FanNotSheep writes:

Fact: East Tennessee is not a recruiting hotbed. But you have to recruit the good ones that do come up from time to time. I would rather get the guy who feels connected to the state when you can. Look at the old Nebraska teams.

Fiction: The program is worse now than when Dooley took over. Even with the departure of juniors to the NFL and the attrition of 7 guys from the 2012 signing class, the roster has more bodies now than when Dooley put his first team on the field. But he could have done much better.

Fact: The next two or three years are critical if the Vols want to get back to the top half of the SEC. Jones better be the right guy, in recruiting, player development and game day coaching. The revolving door has to stop now.

VolGrad writes:

in response to CoverOrange:

There are five SEC schools closer to Memphis than Tennessee. Memphians don't necessarily have an affinity for UTK just because it has the name of their state in its name.

Golden Tate was from Knoxville and was dead set to go to Notre Dame from the get go. Fulmer had no chance.

As you saw from the movie, Michael Oher was influenced to go to Ole Miss although Fulmer supposedly came very close.

Point is, every recruit has a story and a reason for who they pick. Some may have been fans from way back others are bandwagoners and are just looking for their best opportunity.

The main reason to recruit locally is commonality and familiarity of culture with teammates and community. Avoiding the "felt outta place" as you said.

+1

underthehill writes:

If Jones can hang on and get Jason Carr..it will be a major win for him and his staff..hope they do it..but however this recruiting year goes..Jones is in a situation where he just has to do the best he can..

HopeisNotaCourseofAction writes:

Stars do matter, and if you don't believe it go look up where alabubba finished in one recruiting service three of the last 4 years - answer - #1. And yes coaching and heart are important, but saban ain't winning these NCs with 2 and 3* players.

When we lose 42-13 year in and year out, when his 5* WR gets beind our 3* DB or his 5* RB runs over, thru or just outruns our 3* LBs, that is not all coaching or heart. That is size, speed and God given athletic ability. Can't coach those.

Patrick Willis (and agree we missed him) notwithstanding, the 4&5*s are likely more proportionally represented in the NFL than all the others combined. The recruiting services are not perfect, but there must be some agreement by the top SEC coaches since well over half their players are 4&5*.

And yes, I saw uf get their tails handed to them in the bowl game, and upsets do happen, but consistently winning week in and week out in the SEC requires the hosses - on the field. Rudy can win one or maybe two, but the top tier players are needed in the SEC to be a top tier team.

And as it stands now in one recruiting service, lsu is #4 with 18 of 26 commits rated as 4/5*; ua is #3 with 14 of 21 rated 4/5*; nd is #2 with 17 of 22 4/5*; and uf is #1 with 16/26 rated 4/5*. Even uga is 9th with 15/29 4*.

In the NC game nd lost so bad cuz their recruiting the past 4 years was not even in the top 10, and in the 20s 2 of those years. They got lucky in a couple of their games to be undefeated and it was clear they were not even a top 10 team that night, but when Herbstreet kept saying he never saw nd miss so many tackles, it was clear to most, they were not used to playing that level of talent.

Our coaching is upgraded now and thank goodness for it, and they have it very tough coming in so late, but if we come in with four 4*s this year, who are we gaining on in talent? Coaching em up and getting 3* players with heart gets us from 5-7 to 7-5. Still won't be competitive with the top tier teams we have on our schedule every year.

Volbound1700 writes:

in response to Coach_K:

One of the reasons we need to do a better job of recruiting area h.s. kids is, They won't be so "homesick". How many kids have left due to family issues or because they felt outta place? Some of the departures are just normal to coaching changes, some have been due to a need to go back home where they feel comfortable. Here is quick list of guys in recent memory who should have rocked the POWER T: Patrick Willis (Brucetown, Tn, 2*, S.F. 49'ers), Harrison Smith (Knoxville, Tn, 4*, Minnesota Vikings) Dont'a Hightower (Lewisburg, TN, 4*, New England Patriots), Michael Oher (Memphis, Tn, 5*, Baltimore Ravens) Barrett Jones (Memphis, Tn, 4*, NC, top ten pick this year), Dontari Poe (Mamphis, Tn, 2*, Kansas City Cheifs),Golden Tate (Hendersonville, Tn, 4*, Seattle Seahawks), Randal Cobb (Alcoa, Tn, 2*, Green Bay Packers)

Notice that I only listed the ones we missed on. Some of which you'll notice were only two stars, hardly in a "bidding" war. All of these guys are starters or play significant roles in the NFL. This list does not include the guys who we got and failed to coach. I am sure I have missed some "under the radar" guys. While TN does not produce the numbers that a Fla, Tx, Ca, we do produce some of the best talent in the country.

Lock down the borders CBJ! Keep these boys home and help them bring the "crystal ball" back home!

Most of those players are from Memphis and Memphis is hard to recruit for UT. Ole Miss, Arkansas, Alabama, Vandy, and MSU are all closer to Memphis than UT.

eduardo writes:

We r in trouble with this guy as coach. Anybody seen all the 2 stars he is recruiting 5"5 175 lbs. r u serious? Wow! We r gonna be in the same predicament in 3 yrs.

Volbound1700 writes:

in response to FanNotSheep:

Fact: East Tennessee is not a recruiting hotbed. But you have to recruit the good ones that do come up from time to time. I would rather get the guy who feels connected to the state when you can. Look at the old Nebraska teams.

Fiction: The program is worse now than when Dooley took over. Even with the departure of juniors to the NFL and the attrition of 7 guys from the 2012 signing class, the roster has more bodies now than when Dooley put his first team on the field. But he could have done much better.

Fact: The next two or three years are critical if the Vols want to get back to the top half of the SEC. Jones better be the right guy, in recruiting, player development and game day coaching. The revolving door has to stop now.

I totally disagree with the better off now then before Dooley took the job crowd. Yes we have more of a roster but our prestige level and ability to get recruits was damaged considerable under Dooley. We were coming off wins over UGA and South Carolina before Dooley took the job and both programs have far surpassed us now.

usafvol writes:

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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Good post! Plenty of drills and exercises to build leg muscles which are at the center of agility, speed and quickness..

underthehill writes:

in response to Volbound1700:

I totally disagree with the better off now then before Dooley took the job crowd. Yes we have more of a roster but our prestige level and ability to get recruits was damaged considerable under Dooley. We were coming off wins over UGA and South Carolina before Dooley took the job and both programs have far surpassed us now.

I think the overall situation is much worse than when Dooley took over..recruiting is much more difficult at this point..Vandy was not a threat when Dooley was hired..sure wins have become far more difficult..if you can't win with the roster UT had last year..which included the pro prospects..how can you think you will win more without them..I think Jones and his staff just have to do the best they can and hope the fans remain patient...

KVCrockett writes:

in response to eduardo:

We r in trouble with this guy as coach. Anybody seen all the 2 stars he is recruiting 5"5 175 lbs. r u serious? Wow! We r gonna be in the same predicament in 3 yrs.

Why dont you at least wait and see what kind of class CBJ signs FEB. 6. After we have those results you might be better informed, and then your opinion might mean something which it certainly does not now.

VolGrad writes:

in response to underthehill:

If Jones can hang on and get Jason Carr..it will be a major win for him and his staff..hope they do it..but however this recruiting year goes..Jones is in a situation where he just has to do the best he can..

As of yesterday, actually...

@Sabanocchio: Jason Carr says he is not visiting Ole Miss now. Says he's ready for it to be over with and doesn't want to pass on the opp. to play at UT. RT by FootballTimeInTennessee

Full quote:
"I'm ready for signing day," the 6-6, 280 pound Carr said. "I'm done with visits. I was going to visit Ole Miss, but I'm not going to visit anywhere this weekend. I'm ready for it to be over with."

"Coach Jones was by the school this morning and we visited," Carr said. "He and coach Stripling are coming to the house tonight. I'm still committed to Tennessee. Alabama is still recruiting me hard.

"I don't want to pass on the opportunity to play at Tennessee. Alabama is obviously a very good program with good coaches and both schools have equal facilities. Like I said I'm just ready for it be over with."

- VQ

VolGrad writes:

in response to eduardo:

We r in trouble with this guy as coach. Anybody seen all the 2 stars he is recruiting 5"5 175 lbs. r u serious? Wow! We r gonna be in the same predicament in 3 yrs.

Tell me about it after NSD. Meanwhile, get back on your meds.

GBO!

VolGrad writes:

Rumor that 247 says Jason Carr will be on campus this weekend to help recruit. Vonn Bell will be visiting this weekend. He was excited by the recent in-home visit of Butch Jones and the entire defensive staff. Hopefully Carr can have some sway as well with him and any other defensive recruits.

VolGrad writes:

Check out link for latest updates: http://footballtime.com/1711/recruiti...

GBO!

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