John Adams: Don't hang your hat on recruiting decisions, they are tough on fans

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Caps say a lot about college football.

Caps rarely change for fans. Some wear the same colored caps from their first game to their last.

Coaches change caps whenever necessary to benefit their careers. They remove one and don another with the ease of a car salesman changing dealerships.

It's business.

It's just a game for the most acclaimed recruits. They put on one cap, then another, while fans twist, squirm and hope.

The changing of caps has become a sports cliché. It's almost as common as players dumping Gatorade on their winning coach.

But the recruits are colder than the Gatorade. And there's no quick drying off for the fans.

Last Saturday, much sought-after running back Derrick Green from Richmond, Va., committed to the University of Michigan. He did so before about 100 onlookers — consisting of family, fans and media — at the Cultural Arts Center, an appropriate venue for theatrics.

Green began his performance by reaching for a Michigan cap. And hesitated.

He picked up a Tennessee cap. And set it back down.

He then stepped off center stage and flipped a switch on the wall. A projection screen showed a Michigan jersey. It had Green's No. 27.

I assume Green will major in drama. If he can run as well as he orchestrates a commitment, the Wolverines might have a Heisman Trophy candidate on their hands.

Tennessee and Auburn could only move on to the next recruiting possibility, hopeful that it will end with an appropriate cap.

We often hear how tough coaches and players have it. What about the fans, though?

Coaches lament the growing pressure to win. Players complain about providing the muscle behind a multi-billion-dollar business while receiving nothing more than a scholarship in return.

However, win or lose, the coaches often are rewarded outrageously for success or failure. At worst, players have the chance for a free college education; at best, a straight shot to the NFL and all the riches that come with it.

The fans are left to deal with whatever the coaches and players leave behind. The fans don't change caps.

President Barack Obama said last week that if he had a son, he would think "long and hard" about letting him play football, because of injury concerns.

Since he's so safety conscious, I wonder if he has ever considered the health risk of being a fan.

Fans might not require surgery or lose consciousness while following their teams for better or worst, but they don't get through unscathed.

I have known more than one who became physically ill over the loss of a game or a prominent recruit. I think about that when I see a recruit playing with caps and emotions.

Rejections resonate more if a program is losing. When the Vols were rolling in the mid-1990s, losses of heralded recruits were minimized by the likelihood that a commitment from another promising prospect would follow.

There are recruiting advantages to be had at a losing program. Every good player you sign means more now. If a top recruit performs up to his billing, he won't be buried below the talent stockpiled ahead of him. He will play or even start right away.

Tennessee is still in the running for two of the highest ranked defensive recruits, safety Vonn Bell and end Carl Lawson. If it could sign both, a running back's choice of caps wouldn't seem nearly as significant.

But if either one chooses to go elsewhere, he could still do Tennessee a favor — by adhering to a one-cap minimum.

John Adams is a senior columnist. He may be reached at 865-342-6284 or adamsj@knoxnews.com. Follow him at http://twitter.com/johnadamskns

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Comments » 38

cloudodust writes:

If Obama had a son, I'd hope he'd fall in love with Honey Boo-Boo and spend their time in woo squashing pennies on the train tracks...

Rumblefish writes:

One of the worst fluff pieces I've ever read.

pomp_and_circumstance writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

One of the worst fluff pieces I've ever read.

I admire your power of judgement. Determining the "worst" of the hundreds of fluff pieces Johnny has put up here is quite and achievement.

Rumblefish writes:

in response to pomp_and_circumstance:

I admire your power of judgement. Determining the "worst" of the hundreds of fluff pieces Johnny has put up here is quite and achievement.

Understood. But this is just plain BAD.

volthrunthru#658770 writes:

For Adams this is heavy hitting intellectual endeavor. His best, in my opinion, misuse of space was being the fulcrum on which Mike Hamilton fired Phillip Fulmer.

Insiders believe Hamilton used to leak to Adams, early, the police blotters when any footballer got into trouble, so Adams could gun Fulmer for Hamilton, Cheek and others who were unable to go head-to-head with Fulmer and win on merit.

Here, Adams clearly screwed up the column. He meant to suggest a means by which recruits could use simplicity to show their school choice; but Adams, as he is apt to do, blew it. He managed to write "minimum" where he needed to type "maximum."

At UT, recruiting got a boost Wednesday, when national recruit Marquez North decided to commit to Coach Jay Graham.

Notice that so far none of this new group of coaches has signed anything but mid-major level players; but the Tennessee alum hauled in a big fish.

Rather than set up a scenario in which UT people could coach football, which would let UT's family tell recruits about the homestead, Hamilton's non-UT successor Doofus Hart brought in people not yet familiar enough with Knoxville to do much more than be learning to spell "U.T."

Predictably they flit about the country, visiting. Smart recruits seeing a Cincinnati-level coach in the living room will take a wait-and-see attitude. There's a lot of difference between advertising and selling. Show and tell is not the same as stop and sell. 2-star coaches sell 2-star players. Big time winners command respect from big time recruits and high school coaches. Graham---and dozens of UT alumni---are big time winners. But of course that would be too simple for Hart, Cheek and the rest of the kingdom of doofus.

Other SEC teams have recruiting commitment rosters that this group of outsiders would kill to get, at this point in recruiting. Jones called them his 2-star-school coaching staff the "best in the USA."

They need to be, since they will be coaching a bush league recruiting initiative, unless Jay Graham and the behind-the-scenes UT alumni network can put together several more deals for which Butch & the Bush-Leaguers can take credit.

Phillip Fulmer has been kind in his low profile during the mess that followed his firing. But he made a point of saying publicly, after Jones said his Universsity-of-Cincinnati-level coaches could win the SEC with recruits from the State of Tennessee,

that UT must recruit nationally---and that Jones had never done that before.

Obviously Jay Graham has. And Graham has won in the SEC before, too.

Thanks, Jay. Hope you can survive working with bush league associates---under Doofus Hart and Clueless Cheek.

GO VOLS!

laraccoon writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

For Adams this is heavy hitting intellectual endeavor. His best, in my opinion, misuse of space was being the fulcrum on which Mike Hamilton fired Phillip Fulmer.

Insiders believe Hamilton used to leak to Adams, early, the police blotters when any footballer got into trouble, so Adams could gun Fulmer for Hamilton, Cheek and others who were unable to go head-to-head with Fulmer and win on merit.

Here, Adams clearly screwed up the column. He meant to suggest a means by which recruits could use simplicity to show their school choice; but Adams, as he is apt to do, blew it. He managed to write "minimum" where he needed to type "maximum."

At UT, recruiting got a boost Wednesday, when national recruit Marquez North decided to commit to Coach Jay Graham.

Notice that so far none of this new group of coaches has signed anything but mid-major level players; but the Tennessee alum hauled in a big fish.

Rather than set up a scenario in which UT people could coach football, which would let UT's family tell recruits about the homestead, Hamilton's non-UT successor Doofus Hart brought in people not yet familiar enough with Knoxville to do much more than be learning to spell "U.T."

Predictably they flit about the country, visiting. Smart recruits seeing a Cincinnati-level coach in the living room will take a wait-and-see attitude. There's a lot of difference between advertising and selling. Show and tell is not the same as stop and sell. 2-star coaches sell 2-star players. Big time winners command respect from big time recruits and high school coaches. Graham---and dozens of UT alumni---are big time winners. But of course that would be too simple for Hart, Cheek and the rest of the kingdom of doofus.

Other SEC teams have recruiting commitment rosters that this group of outsiders would kill to get, at this point in recruiting. Jones called them his 2-star-school coaching staff the "best in the USA."

They need to be, since they will be coaching a bush league recruiting initiative, unless Jay Graham and the behind-the-scenes UT alumni network can put together several more deals for which Butch & the Bush-Leaguers can take credit.

Phillip Fulmer has been kind in his low profile during the mess that followed his firing. But he made a point of saying publicly, after Jones said his Universsity-of-Cincinnati-level coaches could win the SEC with recruits from the State of Tennessee,

that UT must recruit nationally---and that Jones had never done that before.

Obviously Jay Graham has. And Graham has won in the SEC before, too.

Thanks, Jay. Hope you can survive working with bush league associates---under Doofus Hart and Clueless Cheek.

GO VOLS!

all your moronic babbling actually made a lousy article seem a little better .

gc_scvol writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

For Adams this is heavy hitting intellectual endeavor. His best, in my opinion, misuse of space was being the fulcrum on which Mike Hamilton fired Phillip Fulmer.

Insiders believe Hamilton used to leak to Adams, early, the police blotters when any footballer got into trouble, so Adams could gun Fulmer for Hamilton, Cheek and others who were unable to go head-to-head with Fulmer and win on merit.

Here, Adams clearly screwed up the column. He meant to suggest a means by which recruits could use simplicity to show their school choice; but Adams, as he is apt to do, blew it. He managed to write "minimum" where he needed to type "maximum."

At UT, recruiting got a boost Wednesday, when national recruit Marquez North decided to commit to Coach Jay Graham.

Notice that so far none of this new group of coaches has signed anything but mid-major level players; but the Tennessee alum hauled in a big fish.

Rather than set up a scenario in which UT people could coach football, which would let UT's family tell recruits about the homestead, Hamilton's non-UT successor Doofus Hart brought in people not yet familiar enough with Knoxville to do much more than be learning to spell "U.T."

Predictably they flit about the country, visiting. Smart recruits seeing a Cincinnati-level coach in the living room will take a wait-and-see attitude. There's a lot of difference between advertising and selling. Show and tell is not the same as stop and sell. 2-star coaches sell 2-star players. Big time winners command respect from big time recruits and high school coaches. Graham---and dozens of UT alumni---are big time winners. But of course that would be too simple for Hart, Cheek and the rest of the kingdom of doofus.

Other SEC teams have recruiting commitment rosters that this group of outsiders would kill to get, at this point in recruiting. Jones called them his 2-star-school coaching staff the "best in the USA."

They need to be, since they will be coaching a bush league recruiting initiative, unless Jay Graham and the behind-the-scenes UT alumni network can put together several more deals for which Butch & the Bush-Leaguers can take credit.

Phillip Fulmer has been kind in his low profile during the mess that followed his firing. But he made a point of saying publicly, after Jones said his Universsity-of-Cincinnati-level coaches could win the SEC with recruits from the State of Tennessee,

that UT must recruit nationally---and that Jones had never done that before.

Obviously Jay Graham has. And Graham has won in the SEC before, too.

Thanks, Jay. Hope you can survive working with bush league associates---under Doofus Hart and Clueless Cheek.

GO VOLS!

I thought JA could say less using maximum verbage than anyone until I read your post. The common thread seems to be a dislike for all things VOLUNTEER. Your post is right up ther with John. Sad, so Sad.

chattbud writes:

I can’t believe KNS pays you money for your opinions. Tennessee needed a big downhill Alabama style tailback. With the Offensive line we have back it’s the difference in winning & losing in the SEC! Dooley had Green. We fired Dooley & guess what we lose Green! But we still got U John. Adam’s where’s Gruden?

tnvol4ever writes:

Wow, nailed vols in 1st paragraph
http://m.deadspin.com/5980377/signing...

CCLC writes:

Most SEC schools average $145,000 per football player per year in expenditures relative to training,trainers room, tutors, meals etc.

vut5686#1405392 writes:

I see many did not like this article. I sort of thought it among his least offensive. With all the nit-picking NCAA rules and regulations, it would seem they would cut out this juvenile dog and pony show recruits put on. It has become a media circus...and it is human nature to want the spotlight. Sign the contract, send it in and show up at enrollment time. Cut out all the cap nonsense.

Sir_Spanky writes:

JA: "President Barack Obama said last week that if he had a son, he would think "long and hard" about letting him play football, because of injury concerns. Since he's so safety conscious, I wonder if he has ever considered the health risk of being a fan."

Well, in my humble opinion it doesn't look like he considers such things when it comes to US ambassadors.

Back on topic..... Being highly successful at the high school level like Derrick Green was, that's cool and all that, but not deserving of the TV time necessary to display such theatrics. Might want to earn some stripes at the college level first.

arkyvol writes:

this kid obviously has a touch of narcissistic personality disorder. among these high school hot dogs, its not rare. john gruden would have to be out of his mind to want to deal with that, given the gig he's got.

easleychuck writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

For Adams this is heavy hitting intellectual endeavor. His best, in my opinion, misuse of space was being the fulcrum on which Mike Hamilton fired Phillip Fulmer.

Insiders believe Hamilton used to leak to Adams, early, the police blotters when any footballer got into trouble, so Adams could gun Fulmer for Hamilton, Cheek and others who were unable to go head-to-head with Fulmer and win on merit.

Here, Adams clearly screwed up the column. He meant to suggest a means by which recruits could use simplicity to show their school choice; but Adams, as he is apt to do, blew it. He managed to write "minimum" where he needed to type "maximum."

At UT, recruiting got a boost Wednesday, when national recruit Marquez North decided to commit to Coach Jay Graham.

Notice that so far none of this new group of coaches has signed anything but mid-major level players; but the Tennessee alum hauled in a big fish.

Rather than set up a scenario in which UT people could coach football, which would let UT's family tell recruits about the homestead, Hamilton's non-UT successor Doofus Hart brought in people not yet familiar enough with Knoxville to do much more than be learning to spell "U.T."

Predictably they flit about the country, visiting. Smart recruits seeing a Cincinnati-level coach in the living room will take a wait-and-see attitude. There's a lot of difference between advertising and selling. Show and tell is not the same as stop and sell. 2-star coaches sell 2-star players. Big time winners command respect from big time recruits and high school coaches. Graham---and dozens of UT alumni---are big time winners. But of course that would be too simple for Hart, Cheek and the rest of the kingdom of doofus.

Other SEC teams have recruiting commitment rosters that this group of outsiders would kill to get, at this point in recruiting. Jones called them his 2-star-school coaching staff the "best in the USA."

They need to be, since they will be coaching a bush league recruiting initiative, unless Jay Graham and the behind-the-scenes UT alumni network can put together several more deals for which Butch & the Bush-Leaguers can take credit.

Phillip Fulmer has been kind in his low profile during the mess that followed his firing. But he made a point of saying publicly, after Jones said his Universsity-of-Cincinnati-level coaches could win the SEC with recruits from the State of Tennessee,

that UT must recruit nationally---and that Jones had never done that before.

Obviously Jay Graham has. And Graham has won in the SEC before, too.

Thanks, Jay. Hope you can survive working with bush league associates---under Doofus Hart and Clueless Cheek.

GO VOLS!

to paraphrase the "The Joker", someone needs an enema.

rbwtn writes:

Oh how we forget these are only kids in High School and we build them up like they are Super Stars and it goes to their head they don't think about education just the publicity of recruitment. There's something wrong with that and we feed on the frenzy. Hey step back and look at yourself, we want to win but these are only kids and most don't even make it. Usually the one that's looks the worse becomes the Best. I put no stock in it at all.

orangecountyvols writes:

Vol fans,

In all actuality, the tandem of "I am consumed by Karl Kremser, Glenn Ford, and of late, Derrick Dooley........Wilted Flowers" and the "much too lengthy posting and saying basically nothing....thru and thru" have all the answers.

They, along with Billy the kid, will tell us what needs to be done, who to recruit, who to fire, who to hire.......how to win, etc, etc.

PUL4VOLS writes:

Just when I, as a fan by the way, was rejoicing to read that the North kid from Charlotte chose the Vols, here's good old JA capping the Vols again and acting like he cares about fans. You have to mention a lost top rb recruit and remind of the Vols' struggles. Oh well, that caps all your articles lately man. I can't wait til next Wed. Could that mean I have some inside information about a recruit or two? I don't think so. I just want to see who the Vols will have not lament who they do not get drama or not.

Volunatic writes:

in response to Rumblefish:

One of the worst fluff pieces I've ever read.

The Cliff's Notes version of the column:

Players who milk the attention using the "baseball caps game" are obnoxious. Especially if they don't choose Tennessee in the end.

Orangeblood13 writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

For Adams this is heavy hitting intellectual endeavor. His best, in my opinion, misuse of space was being the fulcrum on which Mike Hamilton fired Phillip Fulmer.

Insiders believe Hamilton used to leak to Adams, early, the police blotters when any footballer got into trouble, so Adams could gun Fulmer for Hamilton, Cheek and others who were unable to go head-to-head with Fulmer and win on merit.

Here, Adams clearly screwed up the column. He meant to suggest a means by which recruits could use simplicity to show their school choice; but Adams, as he is apt to do, blew it. He managed to write "minimum" where he needed to type "maximum."

At UT, recruiting got a boost Wednesday, when national recruit Marquez North decided to commit to Coach Jay Graham.

Notice that so far none of this new group of coaches has signed anything but mid-major level players; but the Tennessee alum hauled in a big fish.

Rather than set up a scenario in which UT people could coach football, which would let UT's family tell recruits about the homestead, Hamilton's non-UT successor Doofus Hart brought in people not yet familiar enough with Knoxville to do much more than be learning to spell "U.T."

Predictably they flit about the country, visiting. Smart recruits seeing a Cincinnati-level coach in the living room will take a wait-and-see attitude. There's a lot of difference between advertising and selling. Show and tell is not the same as stop and sell. 2-star coaches sell 2-star players. Big time winners command respect from big time recruits and high school coaches. Graham---and dozens of UT alumni---are big time winners. But of course that would be too simple for Hart, Cheek and the rest of the kingdom of doofus.

Other SEC teams have recruiting commitment rosters that this group of outsiders would kill to get, at this point in recruiting. Jones called them his 2-star-school coaching staff the "best in the USA."

They need to be, since they will be coaching a bush league recruiting initiative, unless Jay Graham and the behind-the-scenes UT alumni network can put together several more deals for which Butch & the Bush-Leaguers can take credit.

Phillip Fulmer has been kind in his low profile during the mess that followed his firing. But he made a point of saying publicly, after Jones said his Universsity-of-Cincinnati-level coaches could win the SEC with recruits from the State of Tennessee,

that UT must recruit nationally---and that Jones had never done that before.

Obviously Jay Graham has. And Graham has won in the SEC before, too.

Thanks, Jay. Hope you can survive working with bush league associates---under Doofus Hart and Clueless Cheek.

GO VOLS!

The only thing worth reading on your post is GO Vols at the end.

Debbie Downer, CBJ is in his 1st year, only couple months in, give the man a chance and something to build on before you go and run everything so far into the ground.

AllforTenn writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

For Adams this is heavy hitting intellectual endeavor. His best, in my opinion, misuse of space was being the fulcrum on which Mike Hamilton fired Phillip Fulmer.

Insiders believe Hamilton used to leak to Adams, early, the police blotters when any footballer got into trouble, so Adams could gun Fulmer for Hamilton, Cheek and others who were unable to go head-to-head with Fulmer and win on merit.

Here, Adams clearly screwed up the column. He meant to suggest a means by which recruits could use simplicity to show their school choice; but Adams, as he is apt to do, blew it. He managed to write "minimum" where he needed to type "maximum."

At UT, recruiting got a boost Wednesday, when national recruit Marquez North decided to commit to Coach Jay Graham.

Notice that so far none of this new group of coaches has signed anything but mid-major level players; but the Tennessee alum hauled in a big fish.

Rather than set up a scenario in which UT people could coach football, which would let UT's family tell recruits about the homestead, Hamilton's non-UT successor Doofus Hart brought in people not yet familiar enough with Knoxville to do much more than be learning to spell "U.T."

Predictably they flit about the country, visiting. Smart recruits seeing a Cincinnati-level coach in the living room will take a wait-and-see attitude. There's a lot of difference between advertising and selling. Show and tell is not the same as stop and sell. 2-star coaches sell 2-star players. Big time winners command respect from big time recruits and high school coaches. Graham---and dozens of UT alumni---are big time winners. But of course that would be too simple for Hart, Cheek and the rest of the kingdom of doofus.

Other SEC teams have recruiting commitment rosters that this group of outsiders would kill to get, at this point in recruiting. Jones called them his 2-star-school coaching staff the "best in the USA."

They need to be, since they will be coaching a bush league recruiting initiative, unless Jay Graham and the behind-the-scenes UT alumni network can put together several more deals for which Butch & the Bush-Leaguers can take credit.

Phillip Fulmer has been kind in his low profile during the mess that followed his firing. But he made a point of saying publicly, after Jones said his Universsity-of-Cincinnati-level coaches could win the SEC with recruits from the State of Tennessee,

that UT must recruit nationally---and that Jones had never done that before.

Obviously Jay Graham has. And Graham has won in the SEC before, too.

Thanks, Jay. Hope you can survive working with bush league associates---under Doofus Hart and Clueless Cheek.

GO VOLS!

What a mistaken conception of reality. When did Jones say that he could win with only Tennessee kids? Never. Your entire babbling is ridiculous.

murrayvol writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

For Adams this is heavy hitting intellectual endeavor. His best, in my opinion, misuse of space was being the fulcrum on which Mike Hamilton fired Phillip Fulmer.

Insiders believe Hamilton used to leak to Adams, early, the police blotters when any footballer got into trouble, so Adams could gun Fulmer for Hamilton, Cheek and others who were unable to go head-to-head with Fulmer and win on merit.

Here, Adams clearly screwed up the column. He meant to suggest a means by which recruits could use simplicity to show their school choice; but Adams, as he is apt to do, blew it. He managed to write "minimum" where he needed to type "maximum."

At UT, recruiting got a boost Wednesday, when national recruit Marquez North decided to commit to Coach Jay Graham.

Notice that so far none of this new group of coaches has signed anything but mid-major level players; but the Tennessee alum hauled in a big fish.

Rather than set up a scenario in which UT people could coach football, which would let UT's family tell recruits about the homestead, Hamilton's non-UT successor Doofus Hart brought in people not yet familiar enough with Knoxville to do much more than be learning to spell "U.T."

Predictably they flit about the country, visiting. Smart recruits seeing a Cincinnati-level coach in the living room will take a wait-and-see attitude. There's a lot of difference between advertising and selling. Show and tell is not the same as stop and sell. 2-star coaches sell 2-star players. Big time winners command respect from big time recruits and high school coaches. Graham---and dozens of UT alumni---are big time winners. But of course that would be too simple for Hart, Cheek and the rest of the kingdom of doofus.

Other SEC teams have recruiting commitment rosters that this group of outsiders would kill to get, at this point in recruiting. Jones called them his 2-star-school coaching staff the "best in the USA."

They need to be, since they will be coaching a bush league recruiting initiative, unless Jay Graham and the behind-the-scenes UT alumni network can put together several more deals for which Butch & the Bush-Leaguers can take credit.

Phillip Fulmer has been kind in his low profile during the mess that followed his firing. But he made a point of saying publicly, after Jones said his Universsity-of-Cincinnati-level coaches could win the SEC with recruits from the State of Tennessee,

that UT must recruit nationally---and that Jones had never done that before.

Obviously Jay Graham has. And Graham has won in the SEC before, too.

Thanks, Jay. Hope you can survive working with bush league associates---under Doofus Hart and Clueless Cheek.

GO VOLS!

Well, at least you closed with GO VOLS.

murrayvol writes:

in response to CCLC:

Most SEC schools average $145,000 per football player per year in expenditures relative to training,trainers room, tutors, meals etc.

And your point would be??

johnlg00 writes:

in response to orangecountyvols:

Vol fans,

In all actuality, the tandem of "I am consumed by Karl Kremser, Glenn Ford, and of late, Derrick Dooley........Wilted Flowers" and the "much too lengthy posting and saying basically nothing....thru and thru" have all the answers.

They, along with Billy the kid, will tell us what needs to be done, who to recruit, who to fire, who to hire.......how to win, etc, etc.

Oh, yeah, all that, and delivered with the assurance of God engraving the Ten Commandments. And with the indignation toward people who don't agree with them of Cotton Mather describing the perils of hell to all sinners. To think that all these pearls of wisdom are merely cast before the "swine" on this board rather than before those who, you know, actually make decisions. Of course, people who are actually responsible for these decisions would never have anything to do with such as them, so they have to vent to us. Oh well, nobody ever said being a fan through thick and thin was a bed of roses.

johnlg00 writes:

Obviously, there are plenty of people on this board who have a very low opinion of Adams' writing. Sometimes I agree with them and sometimes not. However, in this case I think he has a point about fans who hyperventilate over this, that, or the other recruit who they think could turn the program around. Maybe there is a guy out there who could do that, but it is not necessarily the guy who everybody THINKS will be the program-changer.

There was an article with a link provided by a regular poster on here which was a real eye-opener. The writer went back to the class of 2007, I think, and looked at all of the players who were rated 5-stars by the recruiting services. There were 25 of them--5-star players are exceedingly rare. Five years later, 11 of them were in the NFL, while 14 of them had been arrested for felonies!

Yes, the Vols need as much new talent as they can get as soon as possible. Yes, everybody will feel more hopeful about the program if they can land a few big names. But the likelihood that the big names and the guys who will turn the program around are the SAME PEOPLE is not as strong as some people seem to think. We are probably not going to get our socks blown off by this class, but let's not totally lose our minds if the class doesn't look that strong NOW. If CBJ is the right guy, it will be evident pretty quickly once the season starts. Until then, everybody is just guessing about any of this.

People who are determined to be negative will never be dissuaded except POSSIBLY by success on the field--some of our most prominent "negative Nellies" have gripes that go far beyond the fotunes of the football team. In fact, some of those gripes seem to have little to do with sports or anything outside their own minds at all. People who are determined to be fans know that every program has its ups and downs; our program is in a "down" right now, but that is no reason for US to BE down. GO VOLS!!!

CCLC writes:

in response to murrayvol:

And your point would be??

My point is they get a lot in return for signing a scholly.
"Coaches lament the growing pressure to win. Players complain about providing the muscle behind a multi-billion-dollar business while receiving nothing more than a scholarship in return."

orangecountyvols writes:

Johnlg,

You are so right about the football situation. The scant few ( fortunately ) who hate the thoughts of Tennessee succeeding prefer to dwell on every past games and/or seasons that didn't meet with their expectations.

Right now, everything is simply speculation. Someone said that several of these whiners are the same person. Could be. I don't know how they do that, because there has never been a compelling need to keep switching screen names IMO. However, some have been banned, so I guess that explains part of it...although I can't understand allowing the trolls to reenter through the back door again with a new screen name.

Anyway, except for you, N O , Gerry, ASAF, Murray, Exlineman, GC SCVol, and many other legitimate Tennessee supporters, this particular site is leaving a lot to be desired considering the ones we know all too well...........are trolls/jerks.

Moving right along, the new recruit has Marcus Nash and Robert Meachem written all over himself, ( 6:04 212 ) and more are to follow !

Vol-TIL-I-FaLL writes:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

For Adams this is heavy hitting intellectual endeavor. His best, in my opinion, misuse of space was being the fulcrum on which Mike Hamilton fired Phillip Fulmer.

Insiders believe Hamilton used to leak to Adams, early, the police blotters when any footballer got into trouble, so Adams could gun Fulmer for Hamilton, Cheek and others who were unable to go head-to-head with Fulmer and win on merit.

Here, Adams clearly screwed up the column. He meant to suggest a means by which recruits could use simplicity to show their school choice; but Adams, as he is apt to do, blew it. He managed to write "minimum" where he needed to type "maximum."

At UT, recruiting got a boost Wednesday, when national recruit Marquez North decided to commit to Coach Jay Graham.

Notice that so far none of this new group of coaches has signed anything but mid-major level players; but the Tennessee alum hauled in a big fish.

Rather than set up a scenario in which UT people could coach football, which would let UT's family tell recruits about the homestead, Hamilton's non-UT successor Doofus Hart brought in people not yet familiar enough with Knoxville to do much more than be learning to spell "U.T."

Predictably they flit about the country, visiting. Smart recruits seeing a Cincinnati-level coach in the living room will take a wait-and-see attitude. There's a lot of difference between advertising and selling. Show and tell is not the same as stop and sell. 2-star coaches sell 2-star players. Big time winners command respect from big time recruits and high school coaches. Graham---and dozens of UT alumni---are big time winners. But of course that would be too simple for Hart, Cheek and the rest of the kingdom of doofus.

Other SEC teams have recruiting commitment rosters that this group of outsiders would kill to get, at this point in recruiting. Jones called them his 2-star-school coaching staff the "best in the USA."

They need to be, since they will be coaching a bush league recruiting initiative, unless Jay Graham and the behind-the-scenes UT alumni network can put together several more deals for which Butch & the Bush-Leaguers can take credit.

Phillip Fulmer has been kind in his low profile during the mess that followed his firing. But he made a point of saying publicly, after Jones said his Universsity-of-Cincinnati-level coaches could win the SEC with recruits from the State of Tennessee,

that UT must recruit nationally---and that Jones had never done that before.

Obviously Jay Graham has. And Graham has won in the SEC before, too.

Thanks, Jay. Hope you can survive working with bush league associates---under Doofus Hart and Clueless Cheek.

GO VOLS!

heres to the point my guy..no matter who gets them here ,let the coaches show us what they have to offer once its all said and done,if youre a true fan, your job is to back your squad regardless..for the timimg of what theyve gone thru from start to finish jumping from cincy to tenn , and u funny jokers still complain..and probably never played a down of football in your tuba playing life should either go finish blowing somewhere..or keep it really simple,and shut the h#ll up with all that wasted air

Vol-TIL-I-FaLL writes:

in response to PUL4VOLS:

Just when I, as a fan by the way, was rejoicing to read that the North kid from Charlotte chose the Vols, here's good old JA capping the Vols again and acting like he cares about fans. You have to mention a lost top rb recruit and remind of the Vols' struggles. Oh well, that caps all your articles lately man. I can't wait til next Wed. Could that mean I have some inside information about a recruit or two? I don't think so. I just want to see who the Vols will have not lament who they do not get drama or not.

i never really thought of it that way but thats a good point

tovolny writes:

WOW, WOW, WOW...John Adams showing concern about fans. This goes in my profile files. I will be using this information for work on S p o r t s W r i t e r s i n T e n n e s s e e airing on Fox Sports this fall.

jmaples54 writes:

thru-n-thru:
"For Adams this is heavy hitting intellectual endeavor. His best, in my opinion, misuse of space was being the fulcrum on which Mike Hamilton fired Phillip Fulmer.

Insiders believe Hamilton used to leak to Adams, early, the police blotters when any footballer got into trouble, so Adams could gun Fulmer for Hamilton, Cheek and others who were unable to go head-to-head with Fulmer and win on merit."

Anyone who thinks john adams has any pull with the university AD, president, or even the fans is delusional. IMO the majority of KNS readers either like adams or have no opinion. There are ten or fifteen like you, who have quite the obsession with him.
How many of these UT "insiders" have you spoken with? Or maybe you are one of the insiders, eh? Yeah, thats the ticket-- you are fulmer's close confidant. You bleed orange. And you live in a fantasy world.

jmaples54 writes:

Hamilton was the worst AD in Tennessee history, and firing Fulmer had little to do with it.

The native Tennessean with the 102-52 record and a national championship, the former vol player and assistant, had several minor NCAA violations and probations, had recruited quite a few players who ended up being troublemakers, had 2 losing seasons in his last 4, and had lost much of the fanbase. I had very mixed emotions about firing Fulmer, and I'm sure many other fans did also.

Hamilton's big plus was hiring Pearl.

His big screwups were
1) hiring Kiffin (that decision looks worse as time goes on.)
2) hiring Raleigh.
3) hiring Dooley (although you have to cut him a bit of slack because of when Kiffin left.)
4) letting Pearl twist in the wind, and even undermining the team with his comments before the NCAA tourney.
5) giving monstrous payoffs to all the above.
6) having the gall to accept a $1m+ payoff himself upon his exit.
7) leaving the athletic department in terrible financial condition. Perhaps you saw the article in bleacher report the other day:

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/d9ya1?ut...

Coach_K writes:

That was me who posted the article about the five stars. here it is again if any one wants to read it.

http://www.aolnews.com/2009/05/11/sta...

As for our class we have seen that one guy (North in this case) can make a huge difference in the numbers. Moved up to 32nd overall per Rivals and if you break it down by average stars (which is often more telling) its a tie for 22nd. There are only eight classes ahead of us that have less than 20 commits, UT has 17, and only four that have less than us. The leaders of the pack in the SEC are: Fla-25, Lsu-27, Ga-29, and T a&m-32. The defections are crucial to our overall numbers. With another two or three 4*/5* kids our numbers will skyrocket! One five* and two 4* gets us into the top ten or two 5* alone. Fill out the rest with kids who are 3* and love UT and poof we have an excellent class in less than two months work. Give him a year and he will be ready for the legacy class next year.

I must admit I am a football junkie and all things Vol fanatic. That's why we are called "fans", short for fanatic ie: a person whose enthusiasm or zeal for something is extreme or beyond normal limits. It's why I get so worked up when some1 talks bad about Phat Phil, or the talk of a kid like Jalen Hurd interested in being a Vol. After all, what's effort without passion but something to pass the time. I do wish we had some more positive articles however it's not always the writers fault. There is very little "investigative" reporting any more, in print or on screen. The giant corps. want to run the same stories everywhere. It's from the "little guys" that I get my best info. I just come here for the boards really. Anyway there is my two cents. GBO! and VFL!

murrayvol writes:

in response to CCLC:

My point is they get a lot in return for signing a scholly.
"Coaches lament the growing pressure to win. Players complain about providing the muscle behind a multi-billion-dollar business while receiving nothing more than a scholarship in return."

Point taken but they also give a lot. And the degree many of them are pursuing isn't worth spit.

tovolny writes:

in response to Coach_K:

That was me who posted the article about the five stars. here it is again if any one wants to read it.

http://www.aolnews.com/2009/05/11/sta...

As for our class we have seen that one guy (North in this case) can make a huge difference in the numbers. Moved up to 32nd overall per Rivals and if you break it down by average stars (which is often more telling) its a tie for 22nd. There are only eight classes ahead of us that have less than 20 commits, UT has 17, and only four that have less than us. The leaders of the pack in the SEC are: Fla-25, Lsu-27, Ga-29, and T a&m-32. The defections are crucial to our overall numbers. With another two or three 4*/5* kids our numbers will skyrocket! One five* and two 4* gets us into the top ten or two 5* alone. Fill out the rest with kids who are 3* and love UT and poof we have an excellent class in less than two months work. Give him a year and he will be ready for the legacy class next year.

I must admit I am a football junkie and all things Vol fanatic. That's why we are called "fans", short for fanatic ie: a person whose enthusiasm or zeal for something is extreme or beyond normal limits. It's why I get so worked up when some1 talks bad about Phat Phil, or the talk of a kid like Jalen Hurd interested in being a Vol. After all, what's effort without passion but something to pass the time. I do wish we had some more positive articles however it's not always the writers fault. There is very little "investigative" reporting any more, in print or on screen. The giant corps. want to run the same stories everywhere. It's from the "little guys" that I get my best info. I just come here for the boards really. Anyway there is my two cents. GBO! and VFL!

SAY WHAT????

BigOrangeSmoker writes:

I see obama and johnboy adams has something in comman...folks dont care what either one has to say...both of em full of chit

manniesghost1903 writes:

I have to concur with Coach K on many points and JMaplesas well. At the time of Doug Dickey's retirement, I would have perferred a man like Condridge Holloway as his successor rather than Mike Hamilton. I have previously said Kippy Brown would have been better suited to continue as interim Head Football Coach after Kiffin left rather than making what now seems to be a "panic hire" with the selection of Derek Dooley.

As of this moment, there are 52 high school prospects which have received scholarship offers from UT and are still uncommitted. 13 of these prospects are rated higher by ESPNU then Marquez North. If Coach Jones can hold on to North's commitment and gain one or two others, UT has a chance for a top 25 reruiting class or perhaps better.

Coach Jones does need to whip up a 7-5 regular season record to gain momentum for next year when some UT legacy propects will have completed their senior year and could make a difference in the 2014 recruiting class.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to Coach_K:

That was me who posted the article about the five stars. here it is again if any one wants to read it.

http://www.aolnews.com/2009/05/11/sta...

As for our class we have seen that one guy (North in this case) can make a huge difference in the numbers. Moved up to 32nd overall per Rivals and if you break it down by average stars (which is often more telling) its a tie for 22nd. There are only eight classes ahead of us that have less than 20 commits, UT has 17, and only four that have less than us. The leaders of the pack in the SEC are: Fla-25, Lsu-27, Ga-29, and T a&m-32. The defections are crucial to our overall numbers. With another two or three 4*/5* kids our numbers will skyrocket! One five* and two 4* gets us into the top ten or two 5* alone. Fill out the rest with kids who are 3* and love UT and poof we have an excellent class in less than two months work. Give him a year and he will be ready for the legacy class next year.

I must admit I am a football junkie and all things Vol fanatic. That's why we are called "fans", short for fanatic ie: a person whose enthusiasm or zeal for something is extreme or beyond normal limits. It's why I get so worked up when some1 talks bad about Phat Phil, or the talk of a kid like Jalen Hurd interested in being a Vol. After all, what's effort without passion but something to pass the time. I do wish we had some more positive articles however it's not always the writers fault. There is very little "investigative" reporting any more, in print or on screen. The giant corps. want to run the same stories everywhere. It's from the "little guys" that I get my best info. I just come here for the boards really. Anyway there is my two cents. GBO! and VFL!

Thanks again for posting that link. Thanks also for the great info and opinions in this post.

I have followed college football and basketball all my life, all but about the first 10 years of it as an avid Vol fan. But I confess that I may not reach the level of the most extreme fans.

By this I mean that I am not one of those whose whole reason for being is not tied to the fortunes of a sports team. Some people are bad enough when their team is successful, identifying with its virtues and strengths as if they actually had something to do with them. However, they are worse when their team is losing. Every perceived failure of a coach, player, or administrator, or fan with a differing opinion is perceived as some kind of betrayal or moral failing. Their outlook is darkened in every area of life. There just is no "high" that such a fan experiences when his team is successful that is as intense as the "low" he feels when it is not.

The fact is that "failure" in any area is much more common than "success" if those qualities are assessed only in terms of ultimate victory. That is why I try to base my fandom on identifying with and empathizing with the players and coaches as people who are, like me, just trying to do the best they can, sometimes with obvious success and sometimes not, but in a manner that is itself worthy and honorable. As John Wooden's pre-game prayer went, "Help us to be, not victorious, but worthy of victory." Play hard, play clean, and let the end result occur as it may.

johnlg00 writes:

OOPS! Sorry for the double negative in the first sentence of the third paragraph. I may have edited that in my head and then didn't get it right when I wrote it...or I might just have overlooked it--seems to happen a lot these days.

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