David Climer: Perception of Vanderbilt changes quickly

Vanderbilt head coach James Franklin, second from right, leads his team onto the field for the Music City Bowl NCAA college football game against North Carolina State, Monday, Dec. 31, 2012, in Nashville, Tenn. (AP Photo/Mark Humphrey)

Vanderbilt head coach James Franklin, second from right, leads his team onto the field for the Music City Bowl NCAA college football game against North Carolina State, Monday, Dec. 31, 2012, in Nashville, Tenn. (AP Photo/Mark Humphrey)

NASHVILLE — As ad campaigns go, Vanderbilt’s “Game Changer” pitch is top of the line, a stroke of marketing genius.

Well, folks, the events of the last few days at Vanderbilt are a game changer. And a perception changer.

Note, please, this is not a rush to judgment. That’s not my place, nor is it yours. We’ll allow the authorities to do their jobs and the legal system to run its course, if it comes to that.

But when four football players are dismissed from the team amid an investigation on campus by sex crimes detectives, the game has changed. So, too, have perceptions. There’s no avoiding it.

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TommyJack writes:

Tuff noogies

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

Instead of "sold our souls for R-n-R", it was football. Vandy's new colors = Black/Sabbath.

CoverOrange writes:

Give credit, from suspended to dismissed in 12 hours. Other places it has taken weeks or months or not at all. Question is, who made the decision.

fearthehound writes:

Thug U.

tarter_sauce writes:

Wow , sounds like Climer was using the Dores scandal to take a pot shot at Nashville area T V stations . lol

cheetah-vol writes:

in response to CoverOrange:

Give credit, from suspended to dismissed in 12 hours. Other places it has taken weeks or months or not at all. Question is, who made the decision.

I think Climer raises an interesting point. Maybe the "swift" action didn't necessarily happen overnight. I'm beginning to doubt this incident happened last Thursday, and then Vandy got busy with suspensions on Friday and dismissals overnight into Saturday. That said, IMHO, they've been working on how to CYA for some time now.

The Bama incident in the Spring is an example of how even though the names of the players came out quickly, they had to wait for the investigation to be completed before they were dismissed. As Climer said, this is to avoid the risk of a lawsuit. It could be how a public institution has to handle these things legally vs. a private institution. Still, the presumption of innocence has to run its course in either place, right?

Vandy has always been concerned with their image over anything else. So, for me, this doesn't change my perception about them one bit.

vol98champ writes:

If I had a 100 or so 20 year old sons I would not leave them in the hands of a strength coach for the summer. The NCAA needs to get their heads out of the sand and allow better oversight and control by coaching staffs. Why is coaching so terrible in the summer?

Dickattrade writes:

Were they enrolled in George Peabody or Vandy night school?

johnlg00 writes:

in response to vol98champ:

If I had a 100 or so 20 year old sons I would not leave them in the hands of a strength coach for the summer. The NCAA needs to get their heads out of the sand and allow better oversight and control by coaching staffs. Why is coaching so terrible in the summer?

It's not so much that coaching is so terrible as that there is so little of it. The NCAA, with some indifferent success, is trying to make the college football experience a little less like a prison term or military hitch by leaving them some unsupervised time. Some hopefully small proportion of any group of strong, aggressive, pampered, entitled young men are going to test any limits anybody can set. In many ways, it is a marvel that more of them DON'T kick over the traces, and greatly to their credit that they don't.

jakethevolguy writes:

Players tend to model and act like their head coach!! Just sayin! lol Also, why has their names not been published or did I miss it?

keepitreal4vols writes:

Climer being Climer. In the same breath he makes a harsh statement against VU and then retracts his statement saying don't rush to judgment. Let me guess, if this was UT, there would be no retracting?

FearTheVols1252 writes:

in response to jakethevolguy:

Players tend to model and act like their head coach!! Just sayin! lol Also, why has their names not been published or did I miss it?

Since the players haven't been arrested or formally charged, it's not a matter of public record at this stage. Vandy obviously wants to keep it quiet as long as they can until they're forced to address it.

vol98champ writes:

in response to johnlg00:

It's not so much that coaching is so terrible as that there is so little of it. The NCAA, with some indifferent success, is trying to make the college football experience a little less like a prison term or military hitch by leaving them some unsupervised time. Some hopefully small proportion of any group of strong, aggressive, pampered, entitled young men are going to test any limits anybody can set. In many ways, it is a marvel that more of them DON'T kick over the traces, and greatly to their credit that they don't.

I agree with everything you wrote, but I have just one question for the NCAA. What is so wrong with boot camp? I was considered a "good boy" in high school, but I didn't grow up and get my head on straight until those 13 weeks of close supervision.

murrayvol writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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"Climer is a UT homer....." bwahahahahaha

You're a riot CC.

marnel1958 writes:

Franklin / Vanderbilt = Kiffin / UT .... only difference is Vandy gave extension and raise, whereas Kiffin left when he felt he wasn't ' appreciated ' and the USC job came open. The snobs from West End really enjoyed all the problems at UT, now lets see how they like it happening at Peabody !!!

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to 9willbesofine:

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Aaron Hernandez is from FU..

cheetah-vol writes:

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Vanderbilt had the fewest known arrests among SEC football players in the past three years, according to a list published in May by Nola.com and the Times-Picayune. HOWEVER, Missouri topped the list with 18, followed by "FLORIDA" (17) and Georgia (15). Tennessee had five.

Guess you gators will have to settle for a second place trophy for the time being.

mountainbrook writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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Stop scheduling high school teams like Elon and U Mass and that record will come back to reality pretty fast.

lemme_axya_this writes:

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I stand in awe at the obvious intellectual superiority of four of vandie's best and brightest. They are tomorrow's leaders without a doubt.

marnel1958 writes:

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And here, ladies and Gentlemen, is exactly why Peabody " fans " are made fun of!! When the commodores do it for more than 1 or 2 years, then they have something. When you can boast a winning record against WINNING teams, and win a CHAMPIONSHIP of some meaning, then crow loudly. Until then, stay on the porch like the mutts you are. Beating a UT team who is at it's lowest point in nearly 40 years, does not qualify as much of an accomplishment. Let's see if Peabody can do it for an extended period . . . and if Franklin is even around much longer to Thug up the 'Dores. Anchor Down ( in the cesspool ) HA HA HA HA

OrangePride writes:

So what's the debate here? If you are from the Vandy side, you surely cannot even remotely be comparing yourselves to UT in football success! Yes...you had a nice win last year......albeit against the worst coached team in Tennessee history; but a win nonetheless. Let's just see what the next 3 years produce. As for academics and academic prestige, clearly Vandy has been and still is the superior institution.......although I would stack our engineering department up against just about anyone. But overall, no question. That said.......UT is NOT any sort of "bottom dweller" or irrelevant by any means. You look at our incoming freshmen class' combined GPA and other indicators and you will see they stack up nicely. Here is the bottom line.......... WE WILL SEE YOU IN KNOXVILLE A LITTLE LATER THIS YEAR AND SETTLE IT FOR YOU! GO VOLS!!

SevenT writes:

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I thought Vanderbilt just had pseudo-intellectual rich elitists snob geeks on Campus? I guess now they allow jock thugs as well. Nothing like diversity to spice up a campus.

Just Saying

volforeverandever writes:

Im with Cheeta-Vol this has not changed my perception about the commode doors.I have never liked them and I still don't.

ReeseHallRelic writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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Never underestimate the capacity of a Commode Door to focus on one isolated stat that might portray their athletic programs in a good light.

41-18 last year. Big Commode Door win. Congrats.

Now, let's look at the LAST THREE DECADES of the series.

Tennessee went 28-1 against Vandy in the years prior to 2012.

Tennessee outscored Vandy over that time by a count of 935 to 381.

Yep, the Commode Doors are a football juggernaut. Went 9-4 in 2012. Beat 2 teams with a winning record. Impressive... for Vanderbilt, that is.

And, while you acknowledged playing powerhouses like Elon and UMass, please don't overlook the Commode Doors' win over mighty Presbyterian.

Tunnel vision, Brett Maverick... err, "Crafty".

jakethevolguy writes:

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I guess that high dollar education didn't help you very much as you don't know the difference between your and you're. Bwaaahaaahaaa!!

ReeseHallRelic writes:

in response to jakethevolguy:

I guess that high dollar education didn't help you very much as you don't know the difference between your and you're. Bwaaahaaahaaa!!

Ahhhh don't let him confuse you: Brett Maverick never actually attended Vanderbilt. He just drives past campus from time to time. Kinda like ToddyBoi, except Toddy live in Tuscaloosa and hasn't ever set foot on the UT campus.

They both should be labelled wannabe and/or neverwas

lemme_axya_this writes:

"...the actions of a few taint the whole", Franklin being the hole I guess.

bUTch_please writes:

All I know is...

...when Bar Knoxville broke, FHCDD was on vacation as well but broke it short, flew home and got in front of the cameras...

...that's all I know.

Snapshot writes:

in response to 9willbesofine:

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Feel better now, little man? It must really suck being you, going through life being a hater. Just hang in there, one day maybe you will grow and things will be better for you.

VandyisGold writes:

Crafty,
I came on this board 2 years ago and talked smack about the UT - Vandy game. After the game, I wasn't upset about the loss but rather about the ridiculous behavior of Franklin toward the UT student section. I commented at the time he was not good for the university and that we had made a mistake. Let's be honest an assistant coach doesn't come into Vanderbilt and recruit the way he did without raising eyebrows.
Is he at fault for what happened? Not really but he did recruit the players and if there is proof of a cover-up ...... well.

FWBVol writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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So what you're saying is you are too lazy to get out of your trailer and dig your own worms?

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to VandyisGold:

Crafty,
I came on this board 2 years ago and talked smack about the UT - Vandy game. After the game, I wasn't upset about the loss but rather about the ridiculous behavior of Franklin toward the UT student section. I commented at the time he was not good for the university and that we had made a mistake. Let's be honest an assistant coach doesn't come into Vanderbilt and recruit the way he did without raising eyebrows.
Is he at fault for what happened? Not really but he did recruit the players and if there is proof of a cover-up ...... well.

Gold, you are a class act. I agree Franklin can't baby-sit these people, but character flaws are not that hard to screen. For possibly ten athletes to be involved, surely a red flag waved (from at least one of these guys) prior to them signing a letter of intent.

FearTheVols1252 writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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The most competitive schools in the nation all go through down periods from time-to-time. What separates those schools from Vandy are a couple of bad years vs. several bad decades.

It would better suit you to keep talking academic trash. After this little incident, I’m sure the board will tighten acceptance standards so they minimize any future situations that may once again tarnish their ‘squeaky clean’ image. Franklin will certainly bail once more money and less strict recruiting standards at another school are presented to him. From there, Vandy will go from SEC mediocrity back to the cellar… where they belong.

Enjoy it while you can!

marnel1958 writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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Crappy . . .er,uh . . . CRAFTY Commodore,
See what you get yourself into when you come on this site and spew garbage?? Alabama, Florida, and the like at least has a little legitamacy when they speak of accomplishments. Peabody?? Not so much!! Vandy should just take the annual check from the SEC and thank everyone else for not pressing Larceny charges !!!

lemme_axya_this writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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A vandie fan on a Vol site is Idol time, not idle time.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to vol98champ:

I agree with everything you wrote, but I have just one question for the NCAA. What is so wrong with boot camp? I was considered a "good boy" in high school, but I didn't grow up and get my head on straight until those 13 weeks of close supervision.

I'm guessing that guys of a certain age were somewhat more comfortable being members of tight-knit groups under a degree of adult discipline than is generally the case these days. A generation ago, people were perhaps generally more willing to sacrifice immediate pleasure in pursuit of ultimate gain. Boy Scouts, church youth groups, sports teams of all kinds, gave kids a certain comfort with subordination and regimentation. Colleges themselves exercised far more disciplinary control over students generally. All of this might have made our generation, if I am not presuming too much, more tolerant of a more authoritarian way of running a football program. Youth leagues are disbanding all over the country, mostly out of fear of injury but also because kids have more sports outlets. If any sport isn't "fun" to them, they can't think of any other reason why they should play it in the first place, and certainly not if they are going to lose all their free time and going to be yelled at a lot.

gohawks1 writes:

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Very impressive streak... 1 in a row.

gc_scvol writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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Brett Maylick Had to use up another screen name just to throw in his useless opinion. Back in your mama's basement, Troll

johnlg00 writes:

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Who cares what you think about us now? It is only to be expected that a person brave enough to identify himself in public as a Vandy fan might have a dim view of UT and take a certain pride at FINALLY having a little success against them. But whatever you think about UT now, the teams will eventually play. That 41-18 last year won't score you a single point this year. Your boasting now won't do you any good then.

PHAT_VOL writes:

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Very classy and well put together statement. To bad U.T. is not irrelevant to you.

GO VOLS!!!

volfaninutah writes:

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Well, crafty, that million dollar education didn't seem to help these four players... did it?THese guys were probably the only ones able to sneak out of their parents house at night. There are stupid players at every school, on every type of team. Vandy...althought they think they are above it all still has humans attending their school. Rich folks make mistakes too. So get down off that high horse and eat a little crow for a few days.. Tastes good don't it? Karma is such b__ching thing.

illinoisvolfan writes:

in response to ReeseHallRelic:

Ahhhh don't let him confuse you: Brett Maverick never actually attended Vanderbilt. He just drives past campus from time to time. Kinda like ToddyBoi, except Toddy live in Tuscaloosa and hasn't ever set foot on the UT campus.

They both should be labelled wannabe and/or neverwas

Some of you might remember on Brett's website from a few years ago that he had a UT Vols lamp in the background. I must say, it was a rather nice looking lamp. My guess is he still has that lamp. It may be in storage or in a back room somewhere in the Maverick mansion, but I'm sure he still has it. I'm also quite sure within the next few seasons when bUTch gets things turned around, that lamp will reappear on Brett's site.

FanNotSheep writes:

A family member went to Vandy a couple years ago and the sad part for these players is they really didn't need to commit any crimes. Many females on Vandy Vans heading into town to party made no secret as to the types of acts they were looking forward to performing later that evening.

I'll give the team a bit of a pass as they try to get some street cred to go with their rare winning season. I'm sure they're not already a team full of thugs. But the 'Dores probably need to take the sage advice, "Wherever you're going, act like you've been there before."

utvolfan1955 writes:

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Witch_Doctors writes:

Witch Doctor say you cant spell "Homicide"without "Commodore"!!! hahaha
Bones never lie.

10seVol85_Part_Deux writes:

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Actually, they do call it the Fulmer Cup for nothing. Fulmer never won it, unlike the coach of the team whose fan it was that invented it. Hello Florida! Hello Vandy! You've gotten a good start on this year's award.

utvolfan1955 writes:

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Looks like the poser GeauxTeamScribe has a new user name. This person is a KNS employee. I exposed him when he responded to Toddy like he was a Vol fan after all the Vandy smack talk he posted. Then his comment, then his user id magically got poofed. Obvious KNS employee on here just to stir the pot to get more hits on the web site. This character and the person everyone thinks is Jeffy are one and the same. KNS cubicle clowns

Colliervol writes:

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Sure is a lot of typing there just grasping at straws to celebrate a little temporary success. Bottom line is that UT has been to the top before and is one of the all time winningest programs in NCAA history. And you can be certain that we'll get there again. Then on the other hand, we have Peabody. A wannabe never-was and never-will-be. Must be tough knowing you can have the best team you can get and NEVER finish better than 3rd or 4th in the East. And you want to hang your little captain's hat on 41-18? Care to address how many 30, 40, and 50 point beatings that UT has hung on Peabody? I thought not. Now go away child. You can't play with the big boys.

spvol writes:

Let's see; Vandy's victory streak over UT is now ONE in a row. I can see why they're getting frisky.

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