Mike Strange: Will SEC have Tennessee to kick around again?

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As SEC football returns to center stage this week in Hoover, Ala., a word of caution:

Take whatever you hear over the next three days with a grain of salt.

I’m reminded of Derek Dooley’s warning to the rest of the league at the 2012 version of SEC Media Days:

“You’re not going to have Tennessee to kick around any more.’’

Well, he was half right. The Vols’ offense was a challenge for anyone. But the bottom line was a second consecutive dismal 1-7 SEC finish that also finished Dooley.

In essence, the SEC did have Tennessee to kick around for another year.

None of the kickings hurt worse than the one Vanderbilt administered, 41-18 in Nashville.

Again, I’m reminded of James Franklin’s words at Media Days last year. Asked about Vandy’s rivalry with Tennessee, Franklin said he didn’t even consider it a rivalry.

“It has to be a lot more competitive before it becomes a rivalry,’’ the Vandy coach said. “It’s been one-sided.’’

By that criteria, Franklin should consider it a rivalry in 2013. So should the Vols.

So here we go again. The parade of coaches begins Tuesday afternoon with Florida’s Will Muschamp. It’s possible some Alabama fans are already tailgating in the Wynfrey Hotel parking lot, even though Nick Saban doesn’t speak until Thursday.

But first commissioner Mike Slive will expound on the prestige and bounty of the SEC. And, unlike most conference commissioners making similar talks elsewhere, he won’t be just whistling Dixie. The strongest have only gotten stronger.

Johnny Manziel, the Heisman Trophy-winning freshman is scheduled to meet the media Wednesday morning. That should be interesting.

The appropriate question won’t be whether he’s a virgin, as a previous SEC Heisman quarterback was asked, but why he got sent home from the Manning Passing Academy.

Butch Jones and the Vols will also drop in Wednesday to lay a few bricks.

Wednesday turns out to be New Coach Day. Gus Malzahn, Bret Bielema and Mark Stoops are also on the docket.

The new coaches represent schools that went a combined 3-29 in the SEC last year. Tennessee beat Kentucky, Arkansas won two games. Auburn and Kentucky went winless.

The question hanging in the air will be whether the SEC has any or all of the four to kick around again in 2013.

As for Tennessee, I don’t know if Jones will say it out loud or not. But I bet he’s thinking that the answer is no.

SEC Media Days schedule/speakers

Tuesday

1-3:40 p.m.: Florida

Coach Will Muschamp

QB Jeff Driskel

DL Dominique Easley

OL Jon Halapio

1-3:40 p.m.: Missouri

Coach Gary Pinkel

QB James Franklin

WR L’Damian Washington

LB Andrew Wilson

3:50-6:20 p.m.: Ole Miss

Coach Hugh Freeze

WR Donte Moncrief

LB Mike Marry

QB Bo Wallace

3:50-6:20 p.m.: South Carolina

Coach Steve Spurrier

DE Jadeveon Clowney

WR/KR Bruce Ellington

QB Connor Shaw

Wednesday

8:30-11:10 a.m:

Texas A&M

Coach Kevin Sumlin

DE Toney Hurd

QB Johnny Manziel

OT Jake Matthews

8:30-11:10 a.m.: Kentucky

Coach Mark Stoops

DT Donte Rumph

RB Raymond Sanders

LB Avery Williamson

11:20 a.m.-2 p.m.: Mississippi State

Head Coach Dan Mullen

DL Kaleb Eulls

LB Benardrick McKinney

QB Tyler Russell

11:20 a.m.-2 p.m.: Tennessee

Coach Butch Jones

OL Antonio Richardson

OL Ja’Wuan James

DL Jacques Smith

2:20-5 p.m.: Auburn

Coach Gus Malzahn

CB Chris Davis

DE Dee Ford

FB Jay Prosch

2:20-5 p.m.: Arkansas

Head Coach Bret Bielema

DE Chris Smith

C Travis Swanson

FB Kiero Small

Thursday

8:30-11:10 a.m.: LSU

Coach Les Miles

WR Jarvis Landry

S Craig Loston

QB Zach Mettenberger

8:30-11:10 a.m.: Georgia

Coach Mark Richt

TE Arthur Lynch

QB Aaron Murray

DE Garrison Smith

11:20 a.m.-2 p.m.: Alabama

Coach Nick Saban

QB AJ McCarron

LB C.J. Mosley

OL Anthony Steen

11:20 a.m.-2 p.m.: Vanderbilt

Coach James Franklin

CB Andre Hal

OT Wesley Johnson

WR Jordan Matthews

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PHAT_VOL writes:

The big boys the likes of LSU, Bama, Florida still have the potintial to kick us around and you would think Georgia, but as long as Coach Richt is there the dawgs are always beatable.

GO VOLS !!!

powellvol82 writes:

This story just leaves the door wide open for the trolls.........

pingkr62 writes:

I won't try to predict what Tennessee's win loss record will be, But I know this team will be better than the train wrecks we have had to endure the last three years. G.B.O.!!!

tovolny writes:

Dooley was close to success. The Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Mississippi State, and Missouri games were win-a-ble. Any of these games would have been hard to call at halftime. Dooley was likable and seemed to be extremely dedicated to coaching the Vols.
So, what happened?...Gee, I just don't know. The defense was very week at the skill positions. The coaching was probably adequate. But you can't teach a pig to sing...it wastes your time and annoys the pig. The injuries and the Cam Clear setback along with Bray acting like a Brat or an out-of-control morron coupled with the woes of a "run-amok" Da'rick; all added to a coaching nightmare. We as fans offered only criticism...where maybe we should have been reaching out to lend a hand or at least lend some understanding. When you are at the bottom, you don't need to worry about going deeper. And you don't need a compass to know which direction to take. It takes energy and determination to go vertically upward, but, by golly, I believe Jones and the 2013 Vols will rise toward the top more than a lot of people think. Why don't we ask Jones how we can help, and perhaps hold back on the criticism. AMEN.

G8RH8R writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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Hey Crafty Commode Door! You do realize, with your post, YOU are the one calling wins in July, right?

JSmith525 writes:

Hey there crappy commode I did notice that you have yet to comment on the article about the naming of the 4 losers that were canned by Vanderbutt. What up do you only comment on UT articles? Loser!!!

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

Butch Jones will be to UT what Hugh Freeze was to Ole Miss. A diamond in the rough..GBO!!

xanga writes:

TN has a football team?

voloffaith writes:

in response to JSmith525:

Hey there crappy commode I did notice that you have yet to comment on the article about the naming of the 4 losers that were canned by Vanderbutt. What up do you only comment on UT articles? Loser!!!

He is now labeled....CUBICLE BOY!!!! The dream police play too light and loose with him to be a trollodyte as he serves their purpose by increasing usership with his CommodeDoor diatribes that taste of envy and emptiness. You know if your ANCHOR is always DOWN then you ain't sailing or going anywhere.....just a lil reminder there to the Cap'n of the tugboat navy.....

GerryOP writes:

Will the SEC have Tennessee to kick around this year? Don't know, but, a lot of people will be shocked!

Get on the bandwagon now. The best seats will fill up fast!

It's great... to be... a Tennessee Vol!

GerryOP writes:

in response to rctjamesjohnson#1418187:

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You're right! JimmyFrank will be leaving Vandy soon. I would guess ACC. He's not an SEC coach; but, then again, Vandy is not an SEC football school either!

Or ... JimmyFrank is just a flash in the pan and will disappear.

orangecountyvols writes:

Vols,

Looking at the schedules........and the Commode boys for example.........they won't have people like Presbyterian to "kick around" this year. In fact, considering they play Ole Miss, South Carolina, Missouri, Georgia, Texas A & M, Florida, and Tennessee........best case scenario for them is probably 5-7.

Alabama has early tests with Va Tech and at Texas A & M.........plus LSU at home later on......so if they don't stumble early on, it's probably another 12-0 season for them.

The Lizards? At Miami early, at LSU, Georgia, at South Carolina, FSU to close the season. Probably 7-5, maybe 8-4 at best.

Dawgs? At Clemson, South Carolina, LSU, at Tennessee, Lizards, at Georgia Tech.....probably 8-4, maybe 7-5.

A & M? Home with Alabama, at LSU. Rest of the schedule is pathetic. Could be 12-0, at worst, 10-2.

LSU? At Georgia, Lizards, at Alabama, Texas A & M. Probably 9-3, but possibly 10-2.

Tennessee? At the Lizards, Georgia, South Carolina, at Alabama, at Missouri. Probably 7-5, maybe even 8-4 with luck. If Vols had A & M's schedule 8-4 would be a real possibility.

GerryOP writes:

in response to rctjamesjohnson#1418187:

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Good call.

For the record since 1975, Vols 34-4. And here we have Vandy fans talking about last year. Small people are happy with small victories.

thevoice writes:

Was the question in the headline answered? Or even addressed? I'd like to know the answer before the season starts.

utvolfan1955 writes:

in response to KnoxVegas88:

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Crafty_Commode isn't even really a Candy fan. He only posts from his KNS cubicle to get hits on this site. Ignore him and he will go away or come up with another Packer_Park type name.

VolsLegacy_1970 writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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Little Frankie is 1-1 vs my Vols, and 0 & forever against the top 25. Little Frankie's best two wins were against Ole Miss and N.C State. Dooley beat Cincy and N.C. State, so from my vantage point Little Frankie Hasn't accomplished anything but beating up on the patsies on his schedule. So motor-mouth until Little Frankie actually pulls off a solid upset he is just another mediocre coach that can recruit a little. He's not even a flash-in-the-pan yet! Go Big Orange! Stomp those Candy-butt Crumby-drawers!

oldster writes:

Vols play 5 teams ranked in the preseason top 11. Ohio State plays only two teams ranked in the top 25, No.13 Michigan and 24 Wisconsin. And you wonder why OSU has a chance to be in National Championship Bowl Game, while UT will be lucky to be in any bowl at all.

bobbarbilly writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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Sometimes, the end result of steamrolling is dependent on the steamrollEE and not so much the steamrollER. The Vol steamrollEE is gone to the land of cowboy hats and wishful thinking. He has been replaced with granite, so you armchair admirals best throw some more coal on board, stoke up the fire and grease the tracks.

BigVolinCarolina writes:

Until we prove otherwise on the field, the answer is clearly "Yes".

It's as simple as that.

pingkr62 writes:

in response to KnoxVegas88:

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I agree with you 100% Knox. Ignore them and they WILL GO AWAY! G.B.O.!!!

sameolvolalum writes:

in response to KnoxVegas88:

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I think you're right. Although I suggest removal on this character every time these inimaginative spiels appear, only once has he actually been removed. Am I the only person doing this? These types of comments draw knee jerk responses from the more unsophisticated types (I'm trying to state this nicely), and in eliciting these retorts, the KNS is credited with a larger number of respondents on their article site designated for such, so they're obviously not interested in quality. It's quantity alone, in their smallish minds. As public ordinances ban littering, the better publications likewise edit out the trash dropped onto their open forums. This KNS rag is apparently aligned with the trailer trash types. Sad.....indeed. I don't think Tom Siler would've approved.

MetroplexMojo writes:

This is not an indictment on Coach Jones but there will be a couple of teams to kick UT around this year. He inherited a tough schedule and a mess from Dooley. In their first yrs at SC, Bama, and Ark, Spurrier, Saban and Petrino went 19-19. None of those 3 had this tough of a schedule or had to rebuild Dooley's mess. If the team can avoid the blunders that plauged them the last 3 years and continue the positive momentum on the recruiting trail, the future will be bright.

GerryOP writes:

in response to MetroplexMojo:

This is not an indictment on Coach Jones but there will be a couple of teams to kick UT around this year. He inherited a tough schedule and a mess from Dooley. In their first yrs at SC, Bama, and Ark, Spurrier, Saban and Petrino went 19-19. None of those 3 had this tough of a schedule or had to rebuild Dooley's mess. If the team can avoid the blunders that plauged them the last 3 years and continue the positive momentum on the recruiting trail, the future will be bright.

But SC, Bama, Ark did not have Butch Jones, we do! Gonna be a lot of good suprises this year for Vol fans!

orangecountyvols writes:

Vols, especially Knoxvegas and Pingkr62

Agree 100% about the trolls, especially the "crafty commode."

Actually, this jerk is a thing of the past with me. Once I see his 'recent' screen name, "Crafty commode" I just scroll on down and completely ignore this idiot.

We have tons of really great Vol fans here, too many to mention..........and thankfully a scant few of the attention craving idiotic trolls.

Looking forward to the season and comments from those true Tennessee people.

OwensboroVol writes:

I just don't see a very good year this season. That is unless one of the Freshman Quarterbacks comes on like gangbusters. I hate being negative, but I just haven't seen anything from Worley or Peterman to say that they can be winners in the SEC. I believe that the defense will be much better this year (can they be any worse)but there will be a definite drop off on the offense. If Bray and Hunter had stuck around for their senior years things could have been different but the drop off at QB is just too severe to expect too much. One thing I do expect is for the players to play much harder than they did last year. There were times when I believe that our defense quit. I expect more than that from a Tennessee team and that was the primary reason I changed my mind and support Dooley's termination. There is no shame in losing, but there is when you give up and He allowed that to happen.

Olddogsrule writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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Hey all, Now first off, let me say I can be wrong.

BUT.. I'm starting to believe ... Craftless is either not really a vandy fan, he always was, or he's a paid KNS troll. Either way, he's a wicked little mind.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard...

I think, probably, he's the same sad soul who has used so many other names of opponent's players who had a good day against the Volunteers. Dell Shoffner, Speyrer, (although he misspelled it Speyer), and then Neyland's Ghost; along with several others until he gets kicked off. Now he's gone to a team name and is either hiding behind faking candy fandom, or was a candy fan all along. Either way, he's trying to be careful what he says so he won't get kicked off soon. He doesn't really care what you say about vandy as long as he gets to disparage us, run down our Volunteer program, chase off fans, and hopefully a recruit or two, and most importantly: GET US TO DROP DOWN TO HIS LEVEL OF MISERY. It is, very sadly, what he lives for.

The reason I think it's the ol' grump the way he phrases things, his writing style. Go back and read some of his old posts and compare with "Skywriters quietly referring to you as the Mickey Mantle Voles?", (whatever that means!!!) "the Doolander that all you Voles swooned over, and proclaimed a gridiron rock star, every chance you got", and etc. He's only been on here as CC-4118 a coupla weeks! How would he have any reason to say something like that? Unless he's been here before and changed his name.

He can't help himself, he thinks his similies, metaphors, and such are sooooo brilliant that he can't not write like himself because his goal in life is to spew hate towards real VOL fans who supported the program last year, Derek Dooley, Hart, Cheek, and even Sunseri; all the while rolling in self aggrandizement of "how sooo very smart he is!".

But we supported the program, not because we believed they were the be all, end all; but because real fans support the administrators and coaches and players during the season because they know that not doing so can kill team spirit and even lead to losses. For every season, there is a time to cheer and a time to replace. (Hmmm.. was that in a Byrd's song?)

If you punch Eeyore's button with a positive comment about Dooley or Hart or Cheek, his bell will ring a loud, a sour, sour note. All his posts are filled with misrepresentation and logical fallacies.

Eeyore- Not hiding very well as Craftless Commoddoor and still The King of Logical Fallacy! He can't THINK, his head is full of fluff.

Keep an eye on his posts and hit delete as often as he gets out of hand, maybe we can get rid of him again real soon.

BUT PLEASE! DON'T FEED THE TROLLS! IGNORE THEM AND LET'S TALK SPORTS!

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to thevoice:

Was the question in the headline answered? Or even addressed? I'd like to know the answer before the season starts.

How can that question possibly be answered without playing one game yet? IMO, they may lose, but it won't be because they were humiliated like the recent past. It will be because of depth at skill positions etc, not because of scheme or lack of effort..GBO!!

orangecountyvols writes:

Old dog,

Well said friend, well said. Fortunately, most of us are wise to this idiot and his fellow trolls.

We can go directly to the site administrator from time to time and that'll get such jerks removed.
But for the time being, as most agree, just hit remove whenever we see the idiots. If the KNS looks the other way, then that will speak volumes about them and will substantiate our suspicion that indeed someone really is behind all this nonsense with many of the trolls.

Eventually, just a few of these clowns will be responding to and agreeing with each other since we'll find more important things to do than to read their garbage and be lured into playing their game.

CrankE writes:

Volunteers need to pour a strong one and brace themselves. It feels like 2010. Again. An unprecedented third consecutive losing season is not out of the question.

UT breaks in a new QB, new WRs, and still have no real threat in the backfield (that we know of). They return one of the worst defenses in UT history. And both sides of the ball must learn a new system. On the schedule? Oregon and Florida on consecutive weeks. Alabama and South Carolina. And Gus Malzahn at Auburn who has given numerous coaches fits through the years. 7-5 would be a fantastic accomplishment, imho.

Don't get me wrong, I will never stop pulling for UT. But realistically, this will not be a great year for UT.

I think this season is more about next season, if that makes sense. How does the team respond to Jones? How much effort do they produce? Are there signs of improvement? If this team can do these things, then I think it will only help Jones to impress a few other recruits (like perhaps some stud linemen), fill out some glaring needs, and set the stage for an 8-10 win campaign in 2014 that puts UT back onto the map.

Jones is sweeping up the mess from the Lindsay Lohan of coaches and the Derek Zoolander of coaches. It's unreasonable to expect big wins in 2013, but effort is an absolute must.

licknpromise777#651578 writes:

Might have won some of those games had we not given up so many big plays for TD's right at the line of scrimmage. Kind of lost count how many times RB's broke big runs that had our boys looking like card board cut outs..Talk about ripping your heart out!! I think GA's fresh. backs took 2 to the house.. Driskels wing and a prayer TD pass that put the game out of reach. ESPN still shows Trey Burton running free down the sideline off a simple misdirection play nearly everytime they mention SEC football. Or how about win MSU threw their 2nd string QB in the game and he scored in like 30 seconds. Great line call by Sal on that one!! My personal favorite is the draw play Troy ran about 15 times when ever they needed a first down..I won't include all the highlights are DB's gave us trailing a TD run from 5 yards behind. All plays that were like a punch in the stomach for us all. I will be thrilled if Coach Strip and Thigpen can teach our boys how to get off a block and make a play. A big 3rd down sack to fire up the home crowd would be fine by me!!

johnlg00 writes:

in response to MetroplexMojo:

This is not an indictment on Coach Jones but there will be a couple of teams to kick UT around this year. He inherited a tough schedule and a mess from Dooley. In their first yrs at SC, Bama, and Ark, Spurrier, Saban and Petrino went 19-19. None of those 3 had this tough of a schedule or had to rebuild Dooley's mess. If the team can avoid the blunders that plauged them the last 3 years and continue the positive momentum on the recruiting trail, the future will be bright.

It's not so much that there are teams on the schedule that can kick UT around, it is whether or not the team has developed the character to KICK THEM BACK and not roll over when things go against them. If it is clear that the Vols are playing in a disciplined, consistent, yet energetic manner, they will have a chance to win some games. As another poster pointed out, the Vols had leads or were within a TD or so at halftime on numerous occasions last year. In nearly every case, they came out totally flat or with no apparent adjustments based on what the opponents were doing well or badly against us, and the other way around. If Butch "does halftime" as well as he has seemed to do PR, recruiting, practice, etc., I expect these Vols to do a little kicking of their own, even if it is while absorbing a licking or three.

jack4444 writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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Franklin's players sure are racking up police records like a good SEC team. Vandy has sold out and is nothing more than a pint sized Auburn now.

CrankE writes:

Strange must be trying to fill in for John Adamz bringing up the Dooley quote. I can see Adamz now, recovering his knee telling Strange in a weakened voice, "Feed my trollz." Strange-ever dutiful kicks it off with a quote from a former UT head coach. Bang! Troll mix.

While UT doesn't have to worry about Dooley anymore, KnoxNewzPravda is determined that they will always use Derek Dooley to kick UT around.

Enjoy the recovery, JA. Strange will do just fine feeding your trollz. But watch out, he may align with powerful, shady interests and replace you just like Fulmer did to Majors. Then you and ol' Johnny can reminisce and be bitter together.

cheetah-vol writes:

in response to BigVolinCarolina:

Until we prove otherwise on the field, the answer is clearly "Yes".

It's as simple as that.

Yep.

GONAVY writes:

in response to CrankE:

Volunteers need to pour a strong one and brace themselves. It feels like 2010. Again. An unprecedented third consecutive losing season is not out of the question.

UT breaks in a new QB, new WRs, and still have no real threat in the backfield (that we know of). They return one of the worst defenses in UT history. And both sides of the ball must learn a new system. On the schedule? Oregon and Florida on consecutive weeks. Alabama and South Carolina. And Gus Malzahn at Auburn who has given numerous coaches fits through the years. 7-5 would be a fantastic accomplishment, imho.

Don't get me wrong, I will never stop pulling for UT. But realistically, this will not be a great year for UT.

I think this season is more about next season, if that makes sense. How does the team respond to Jones? How much effort do they produce? Are there signs of improvement? If this team can do these things, then I think it will only help Jones to impress a few other recruits (like perhaps some stud linemen), fill out some glaring needs, and set the stage for an 8-10 win campaign in 2014 that puts UT back onto the map.

Jones is sweeping up the mess from the Lindsay Lohan of coaches and the Derek Zoolander of coaches. It's unreasonable to expect big wins in 2013, but effort is an absolute must.

well said

brokendownoldvol writes:

I wouldn't want to play TN this yr. They are strong and experienced on both lines. A team well coached strong in the trenches can beat anyone.

antonio14313 writes:

will the SEC have Tennessee to kick around? not for long.

the future is bright!

go vols.

t

johnlg00 writes:

in response to CrankE:

Volunteers need to pour a strong one and brace themselves. It feels like 2010. Again. An unprecedented third consecutive losing season is not out of the question.

UT breaks in a new QB, new WRs, and still have no real threat in the backfield (that we know of). They return one of the worst defenses in UT history. And both sides of the ball must learn a new system. On the schedule? Oregon and Florida on consecutive weeks. Alabama and South Carolina. And Gus Malzahn at Auburn who has given numerous coaches fits through the years. 7-5 would be a fantastic accomplishment, imho.

Don't get me wrong, I will never stop pulling for UT. But realistically, this will not be a great year for UT.

I think this season is more about next season, if that makes sense. How does the team respond to Jones? How much effort do they produce? Are there signs of improvement? If this team can do these things, then I think it will only help Jones to impress a few other recruits (like perhaps some stud linemen), fill out some glaring needs, and set the stage for an 8-10 win campaign in 2014 that puts UT back onto the map.

Jones is sweeping up the mess from the Lindsay Lohan of coaches and the Derek Zoolander of coaches. It's unreasonable to expect big wins in 2013, but effort is an absolute must.

Spot on! This team can set the tone for their hopefully more talented and numerous successors. To borrow the spirit of an old John Wooden saying, this team needs to prove itself WORTHY of victory at least as much as actually ACHIEVING victory. It is easy to deride the cliche, "laying a foundation" and the like, but it is a real stage in (re)building a program. It is tiresome to have to contemplate that year after year, but I have a feeling those days will soon be over. Maybe not now, but I think it is coming.

Some of the things Dooley SAID were not nearly as stupid as his detractors made them out to be--though some were, IMHO--but there was ample reason eventually to doubt that he knew how to put them into practice. As far as I can tell, Jones hasn't tried to wax poetic and philosophical, he just tries to make his points forthrightly, at least as filtered through perhaps inevitable coachspeak. When Jones says something, I feel it comes from his own knowledge and experience, not just from stuff he has read in books. What he tells the guys sounds "real" to them in ways Dooley's more high-flown rhetoric never could. If he can sustain that tone, the improvement curve should bend sharply upward...but it IS starting at a pretty low level.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to licknpromise777#651578:

Might have won some of those games had we not given up so many big plays for TD's right at the line of scrimmage. Kind of lost count how many times RB's broke big runs that had our boys looking like card board cut outs..Talk about ripping your heart out!! I think GA's fresh. backs took 2 to the house.. Driskels wing and a prayer TD pass that put the game out of reach. ESPN still shows Trey Burton running free down the sideline off a simple misdirection play nearly everytime they mention SEC football. Or how about win MSU threw their 2nd string QB in the game and he scored in like 30 seconds. Great line call by Sal on that one!! My personal favorite is the draw play Troy ran about 15 times when ever they needed a first down..I won't include all the highlights are DB's gave us trailing a TD run from 5 yards behind. All plays that were like a punch in the stomach for us all. I will be thrilled if Coach Strip and Thigpen can teach our boys how to get off a block and make a play. A big 3rd down sack to fire up the home crowd would be fine by me!!

Ouch! You're right; it HURTS! Last year's Vol defense was an equal-opportunity victim when it came to big plays. Just about every SEC team highlights package I saw showed clips of Vols in futile pursuit. For all the great plays the offense made, how many of THOSE highlights do you see these days? I would settle for the Vols not making a lot of big plays on offense if they can do a better job of stopping opponents from getting them.

MetroplexMojo writes:

in response to johnlg00:

It's not so much that there are teams on the schedule that can kick UT around, it is whether or not the team has developed the character to KICK THEM BACK and not roll over when things go against them. If it is clear that the Vols are playing in a disciplined, consistent, yet energetic manner, they will have a chance to win some games. As another poster pointed out, the Vols had leads or were within a TD or so at halftime on numerous occasions last year. In nearly every case, they came out totally flat or with no apparent adjustments based on what the opponents were doing well or badly against us, and the other way around. If Butch "does halftime" as well as he has seemed to do PR, recruiting, practice, etc., I expect these Vols to do a little kicking of their own, even if it is while absorbing a licking or three.

The 2013 team will not go 12-0 since there is a dearth of talent all over the field as well as unlearning 3 years of Dooley "coaching". Other than OL and maybe RB, every other position grouping is in the bottom third of the SEC (I know there smarter people on here that may disagree with that comment but until I see it on the field, I'm gonna stick by it). If the team can do the following, the wins will come (although it may not be 2013).

- The lines impose their will on opponents
- The right number of players on the field
- Not lining up in illegal formations after a timeout
- The discipline and character not to roll over if hit in the mouth
- No special teams snafus
- Continued recruiting momentum
- Taking away what opponents do best
- Adjusting to what opponents are doing during the game

JSmith525 writes:

in response to KnoxVegas88:

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You are 100% correct, my bad. Sometimes the ignorance of such fools and thier ignorant, uneducated post wind me up, but I am working on that. haha

tennlions writes:

in response to CrankE:

Volunteers need to pour a strong one and brace themselves. It feels like 2010. Again. An unprecedented third consecutive losing season is not out of the question.

UT breaks in a new QB, new WRs, and still have no real threat in the backfield (that we know of). They return one of the worst defenses in UT history. And both sides of the ball must learn a new system. On the schedule? Oregon and Florida on consecutive weeks. Alabama and South Carolina. And Gus Malzahn at Auburn who has given numerous coaches fits through the years. 7-5 would be a fantastic accomplishment, imho.

Don't get me wrong, I will never stop pulling for UT. But realistically, this will not be a great year for UT.

I think this season is more about next season, if that makes sense. How does the team respond to Jones? How much effort do they produce? Are there signs of improvement? If this team can do these things, then I think it will only help Jones to impress a few other recruits (like perhaps some stud linemen), fill out some glaring needs, and set the stage for an 8-10 win campaign in 2014 that puts UT back onto the map.

Jones is sweeping up the mess from the Lindsay Lohan of coaches and the Derek Zoolander of coaches. It's unreasonable to expect big wins in 2013, but effort is an absolute must.

definite +1.

My heart says 8-4 but my head says 6-6 would be a very good year considering the circumstances. CBJ has shown very well so far. He can recruit so the talent level is sure to rise. We know he has done well at his previous stops but this is the SEC. I believe he will do well in this league. For those who haven't seen it, check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0mYre...

rbwtn writes:

This year we have to evaluate the coach I believe he's going to be much better but we really don't know. I think walk softly and carry a Big punch would be the best in other words be quiet and kick butt.

FearTheVols1252 writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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The whole ‘riding Kelly’s coattails’ doesn’t really cut it. When Jones came to Cinci following Kelly, he had to replace all of Kelly’s top performers. With the amount of production he lost, his first season wasn’t great… only going 4-8. However, the 2011 season he went 10-3 (capping the season with a win over your precious Commodores) and followed that up in 2012 with a 9-3 record.

While we get to discuss football at SEC Media Days and our top rated recruiting class, it appears your ‘proclaimed’ (since that seems to be your favorite word) real coach will be dodging questions pertaining to your new crop of thugs.

Yank ‘er down!

Coach_K writes:

With a new leadership on and off the field, we should be much more scrappy. We may still lose to the big dogs this year and maybe next, but we will not let the likes of Troy, Mizzou, and Vandy make us look like fools. We may still lose some of those games, but it will not be because we are not prepared or have the moxy to fight. Bray was almost just as much of the problem as was CDD. The offense, while able to rack up stats, folded under any type of pressure. Will should show great signs of improvement under the helmets and under our jerseys. I am excited to see who will step up and be "that guy". As a wise man once said..."what happens to you builds character, how you handle what happens defines it". I believe in CBJ and staff. Leadership is learned not assigned. We will be back, maybe sooner than latter, and I will be here the whole way as I have been my whole life. It's for us that the young men play so hard, and for that it's only right that... I will give my all for Tennessee toady!

1965Vol writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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Look kid, you've wasted several 1000 words telling us how bad the Vols and Dooley were last year and now you use Franlin's defeat of them to illustrate Franklin's greatness! Which is it kid, the Vols and Dooley were much better than what you claim or Franklin is not an SEC coach as GerryOP claims? Franklin succeeding at Vandy is a classic example of a big frog in a small pond.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to MetroplexMojo:

The 2013 team will not go 12-0 since there is a dearth of talent all over the field as well as unlearning 3 years of Dooley "coaching". Other than OL and maybe RB, every other position grouping is in the bottom third of the SEC (I know there smarter people on here that may disagree with that comment but until I see it on the field, I'm gonna stick by it). If the team can do the following, the wins will come (although it may not be 2013).

- The lines impose their will on opponents
- The right number of players on the field
- Not lining up in illegal formations after a timeout
- The discipline and character not to roll over if hit in the mouth
- No special teams snafus
- Continued recruiting momentum
- Taking away what opponents do best
- Adjusting to what opponents are doing during the game

That pretty much sums it up for me as well. This would seem to be a fairly obvious list, but long-term success in any endeavor consists of simply doing the thing that needs to be done when it needs to be done, every time. Decide what you are going to do and do it to the best of your ability, every time. A journey of a thousand miles and all that.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to rbwtn:

This year we have to evaluate the coach I believe he's going to be much better but we really don't know. I think walk softly and carry a Big punch would be the best in other words be quiet and kick butt.

That works for me. As the old saying goes, if you can do it, you don't have to talk about it; if you DON'T do it, nothing you can say will make any difference. It doesn't seem that Butch has had to resort to any false rah-rah techniques to create a more business-like atmosphere around the program. Butch seems like a fairly warm person for a football coach, but I have a feeling he is pretty definite on what kind of attitudes he is going to reward. This year is all about restoring the players' pride in themselves and the program as well as the coaches proving themselves in the SEC.

antonio14313 writes:

in response to CrankE:

Volunteers need to pour a strong one and brace themselves. It feels like 2010. Again. An unprecedented third consecutive losing season is not out of the question.

UT breaks in a new QB, new WRs, and still have no real threat in the backfield (that we know of). They return one of the worst defenses in UT history. And both sides of the ball must learn a new system. On the schedule? Oregon and Florida on consecutive weeks. Alabama and South Carolina. And Gus Malzahn at Auburn who has given numerous coaches fits through the years. 7-5 would be a fantastic accomplishment, imho.

Don't get me wrong, I will never stop pulling for UT. But realistically, this will not be a great year for UT.

I think this season is more about next season, if that makes sense. How does the team respond to Jones? How much effort do they produce? Are there signs of improvement? If this team can do these things, then I think it will only help Jones to impress a few other recruits (like perhaps some stud linemen), fill out some glaring needs, and set the stage for an 8-10 win campaign in 2014 that puts UT back onto the map.

Jones is sweeping up the mess from the Lindsay Lohan of coaches and the Derek Zoolander of coaches. It's unreasonable to expect big wins in 2013, but effort is an absolute must.

i agree with most of what you said.

it does feels like 2010. dead on! exciting, yet unpredictable. 2010 was an ok season, but it was, unfortunately, coach dooley's best season. (if i'm not mixing up my seasons, i do believe that tennessee's D was pretty good??) but, i don't think that we'll have a losing season this year. unless we lost the bowl game. i'd say 6-6 is our worst possible season this year, with 8-4 being REMARKABLE! yeah, this year's a real craps shoot...

but, this is the part where i somewhat disagree: yes, new QB and WRs. correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't bray just barely beat out worley for the starting job last year?? i figure that worley would be a decent fill in for this year (but hopefully MUCH better than just a "fill in"!), until the incoming freshmen get fully up to speed for their sophomore season. so, as of right now, i'd give worley a B-, C+ type of grade (with me giving bray a B, B+ type of grade this time last year, for comparison). now, our WRs are unproven, but i believe that they'll be all over the place with bubble screens, dump offs/up and out routes, and quick slants over the middle. i think that our only problem with our WRs is the deep threat/fly patterns, which will be solved next year with north being more developed, and the juco player (6"1', 210lbs, 4.4 speed) coming in and hopefully being just as good as patterson. so, you're right in the sense that 2013 should be a rough year, but 2014 is the year to watch UT possibly break out!!! (and, yes, this season is more about next season. you made perfect sense) and, regarding the backfield, i'm not worried too much about them. the offensive line is the best in the country, and the rushing numbers were good, arguably even great last year (averaging 4.5 yards per carry, i do believe?). we just didn't run the ball enough last year, and run the ball in the right situations, due to the playcalling. that should change this year...

i think that the team should respond well to coach jones. the students have got to be tired of losing, and coach jones is a winner. being a winner helps with convincing already established players to follow where you're trying to lead them. the incoming freshmen are ready to win, and their enthusiasm is overflowing! (i mean, c'mon now, i've never seen or heard of top athletes recruiting other top athletes to join them like we've seen this year at UT!!!)

and lastly, YES, effort is an absolute must! NEVER QUIT, like it appeared to be the case with last year's team. just sickening. but, i now dare to say, that there won't be any more quitting 'round these parts...

GO VOLS!!!

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dlobh writes:

in response to Crafty_Commodore_4118:

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Brett, is that you? With you 16th name or whatever?

When Vandy actually wins something - anything, an SEC East title will do, you've got something to say. The dores have been ranked once or twice at the end of the year in the AP poll - EVER.

Oh, I keep forgetting about women's bowling - Vandy's only claim to fame. Even that great baseball team choked - AGAIN!

You better talk while you can cause this will turn around real soon. Vandy is still Vandy, plain and simple.

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