Big Ten vs. SEC? Answers depend on question

CHICAGO (AP) — Nebraska has won at least nine games in each of the last five seasons. Only Alabama, Boise State and Oregon can say the same.

The Cornhuskers have won four AP national championships. Their honor roll includes three Heisman Trophy winners. They play in front of packed houses every week, often on national television.

So coach Bo Pelini isn't too fond of those questions about the Big Ten versus the Southeastern Conference.

"I guarantee there are a lot of teams in the SEC that aren't Alabama that wish they were Nebraska, that wish they were Michigan, wish they were Ohio State," Pelini said Thursday at Big Ten media days, "so don't talk to me about the SEC. Talk to me about, let's compare specific programs.

"The whole SEC isn't Alabama, isn't LSU and isn't Georgia. Every year is different."

Like it or not, right now the comparison point for the major college football conferences is the powerful SEC, and the business is quite good in the home of Nick Saban, Les Miles and Mark Richt.

The Crimson Tide trounced Notre Dame 42-14 in the BCS championship last January, earning the SEC's seventh consecutive national title. Newcomer Texas A&M (Cotton), South Carolina (Outback), Georgia (Capital One) and Mississippi (BBVA Compass) helped the SEC to a 6-3 bowl record, the highest win total for any conference.

The SEC won two of its three bowl matchups against the Big Ten, with the lone loss going to Mississippi State in the Gator Bowl against — gasp — Northwestern. The improving Wildcats, once one of the Big Ten's worst programs, beat the Bulldogs 34-20 for their first bowl victory since 1949 and one of two for the conference's seven bowl teams.

Looking back a bit further, the strength of the SEC compared to the Big Ten is a more slight advantage. The SEC is 21-16 against the Big Ten since 2003, according to STATS.

"There's definitely some programs that stand out in the SEC. There's definitely some programs that stand out in the Big Ten," said Northwestern quarterback Kain Colter, who threw for 76 yards and rushed for 74 in the bowl win.

"It's hard to compare conference to conference but we have a lot of tradition. We've done a lot of good things academically and athletically, so that's something to be proud of."

It's crystal clear which conference is the NFL's favorite. The SEC produced an astounding 63 selections in the April draft, more than double the next highest total of 31 for the ACC. The Big Ten had 22 selections.

So on the eve of the 2013 season, it looks as if everyone is looking up at the SEC. And Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz has an idea why.

"We've had fast guys in our conference. We've had a lot of skill players get drafted throughout the years," he said. "But if you just study recruiting, I mean I think of the population swing right now to California, the South, warm weather states.

"There's differences, and there's a lot of ways to be effective and to be successful and you have to figure out what's best for you at your school or conference and then just try to maximize it."

While high school football is strong in the South, some of the traditional recruiting corridors for the Big Ten aren't what they used to be.

"When you go out and recruit now, I remember northeast Ohio, Western PA, still great football, fantastic football, but a perfect example (is) where I'm from," said Urban Meyer, who coached Florida to two national titles before taking over at Ohio State. "I'm from Ashtabula, Ohio, and my high school class, graduating class, I think had 15 people this year."

Sitting at a table in a downtown Chicago hotel, Meyer then began to move his hands together in a constricting motion.

"That's alarming because it's great people, great communities and really great athletes in that part of the state, but it's just dried up a little bit," he said.

Meyer and the Buckeyes could have the best chance this year of ending the SEC's run of national championships. Quarterback Braxton Miller leads a strong group of returning players on offense, and the defense also should be solid.

Miller, a former prep star in Ohio, said it's difficult to draw any general comparisons between the SEC and Big Ten, but he likes his team.

"I feel like our competition on the Ohio State level, we can compete with anybody," Miller said.

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Jay Cohen can be reached at http://www.twitter.com/jcohenap

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gohawks1 writes:

The SEC will probably win the next 7 national championships, and the Big Ten will still be whining about how good they are.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

I've got a news flash for the big 11,12,13?..The only reason schools like Michigan and OSU won titles was because of the larger cities voting for Midwest schools. The SEC had plenty of good fb teams throughout the decades. They can't control the votes with the BCS format and it just kills them. That's why ESPN and FOX have such venom for the BCS it made their opinions irrelevant. This new playoff they pined for will actually make it easier for the SEC especially if 2 teams from that conference make into the playoff on opposite sides of the bracket.

SevenT writes:

Top to Bottom there is very little difference between the Big 10 and SEC....The SEC likes to beat their chest but really they ride the coat-tails of the success of Florida and Alabama.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to SevenT:

Top to Bottom there is very little difference between the Big 10 and SEC....The SEC likes to beat their chest but really they ride the coat-tails of the success of Florida and Alabama.

Uhhh, LSU, Auburn and UT all have BCS titles, DA. What other conference can say five different schools won BCS titles?? Answer: NONE..

AllforTenn writes:

You have to overlook SevenT. He (or she) tries to come up with a disparaging comment whenever possible, whether it is logical or not. Poor soul, what a miserable life.

SevenT writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

Uhhh, LSU, Auburn and UT all have BCS titles, DA. What other conference can say five different schools won BCS titles?? Answer: NONE..

HMMM

Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State

All have big time programs with national titles ......the BCS is a relatively new Bowl system that is about to go away ....Sorry you don't know what you are talking about.

gohawks1 writes:

in response to SevenT:

HMMM

Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State

All have big time programs with national titles ......the BCS is a relatively new Bowl system that is about to go away ....Sorry you don't know what you are talking about.

Hmmm... if we're gonna live in the past, then it should be pointed out that Yale was a powerhouse in the late 1800s and early 1900s, being declared champions more than a dozen times. Sorry the big ten/eleven/twelve/whatever is irrevelant now.

arkyvol writes:

amazing! article about the sec, and the vols don't even get mentioned. thanks again, hammy.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to SevenT:

HMMM

Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State

All have big time programs with national titles ......the BCS is a relatively new Bowl system that is about to go away ....Sorry you don't know what you are talking about.

Nebraska/Penn State weren't in the Big 10 at that time, therefore those titles belong to the Big 8/Big 12/independent, Einstein. That leaves only OSU/Michigan and possibly Minnesota in the 20's winning anything. 2 teams compared to 5 in the SEC is not on par top to bottom as you said..You lose.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to SevenT:

HMMM

Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State

All have big time programs with national titles ......the BCS is a relatively new Bowl system that is about to go away ....Sorry you don't know what you are talking about.

If you want to compare titles top to bottom the SEC still reigns supreme..Ole Miss, Kentucky, UT, LSU, Auburn, Bama, Florida, Georgia, GT (former member) and Arkansas (with the SWC conf) all have NC's and many have more than one title.

NGage writes:

From the article: "I feel like our competition on the Ohio State level, we can compete with anybody," Miller said.

If that's so, then why do they routinely play such a patsy schedule? Their schedule this year is especially weak, even for them.

Meyer left the SEC and went to where it would be easier to win plain and simple.

NGage writes:

in response to SevenT:

Top to Bottom there is very little difference between the Big 10 and SEC....The SEC likes to beat their chest but really they ride the coat-tails of the success of Florida and Alabama.

Excuse me Miss, but your ignorance is showing.

gohawks1 writes:

in response to AllforTenn:

You have to overlook SevenT. He (or she) tries to come up with a disparaging comment whenever possible, whether it is logical or not. Poor soul, what a miserable life.

SevenT = 7 years in a row he whined while the SEC dominated.
Next year he'll change his username to EightT.

SevenT writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

If you want to compare titles top to bottom the SEC still reigns supreme..Ole Miss, Kentucky, UT, LSU, Auburn, Bama, Florida, Georgia, GT (former member) and Arkansas (with the SWC conf) all have NC's and many have more than one title.

Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State, Northwestern Purdue all have very solid programs as well.

JSmith525 writes:

in response to SevenT:

HMMM

Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State

All have big time programs with national titles ......the BCS is a relatively new Bowl system that is about to go away ....Sorry you don't know what you are talking about.

Hey stupid. He said BCS Championships. What year did Michigan, Penn State or Nebraska win. I seem to forget those years.

1998 January 4, 1999 1 Tennessee 23 2 Florida St. 16 Fiesta Bowl
1999 January 4, 2000 1 Florida St. 46 2 Virginia Tech 29 Sugar Bowl
2000 January 3, 2001 1 Oklahoma 13 3 Florida St. 2 Orange Bowl
2001 January 3, 2002 1 Miami 37 4 Nebraska 14 Rose Bowl
2002 January 3, 2003 2 Ohio State 31 1 Miami 24 Fiesta Bowl
2003 January 4, 2004 2 LSU 21 3 Oklahoma 14 Sugar Bowl
2004 January 4, 2005 1 USC 55 2 Oklahoma 19 Orange Bowl
2005 January 4, 2006 2 Texas 41 1 USC 38 Rose Bowl
2006 January 8, 2007 2 Florida 41 1 Ohio State 14 BCS National Championship
2007 January 7, 2008 2 LSU 38 1 Ohio State 24 BCS National Championship
2008 January 8, 2009 1 Florida 24 2 Oklahoma 14 BCS National Championship
2009 January 7, 2010 1 Alabama 37 2 Texas 21 BCS National Championship
2010 January 10, 2011 1 Auburn 22 2 Oregon 19 BCS National Championship
2011 January 9, 2012 2 Alabama 21 1 LSU 0 BCS National Championship
2012 January 7, 2013 2 Alabama 42 1 Notre Dame 14 BCS National Championship

DUH!

JSmith525 writes:

in response to notfunanymore:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

He gets under your skin doesn't he? That's actually funny as h3ll. A worthless troll that gets b!tch slapped every time he goes up against one of the True Vol Fans. I bet you have teardrop stains all over your keyboard from those losing battles with him. You have to be the weakest arse troll I have ever seen post their BS dribble. Loser!

JSmith525 writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

Uhhh, LSU, Auburn and UT all have BCS titles, DA. What other conference can say five different schools won BCS titles?? Answer: NONE..

Folks can talk up the non SEC conferences all they want but facts are facts. The SEC is 9-1 in BCS Championships, With that one loss to another SEC team. Before the BCS when the writers picked the Champion after bowl games was when the other Conferences grabbed themselves titles. When going head to head to determine the Champion the SEC has never lost. The other Conferences will be trying to catch up for a long time to come. Ohio St. with or without cryer will never win a Championship vs the SEC. Their only hope will be if they playa Non-SEC team for the championship.

SevenT writes:

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JSmith525 writes:

in response to SevenT:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

No dufus what he said was, and you can read it again if that helps, was that in the BCS era 5 SEC teams have won "BCS TITLES" and your comment was totally off base from that. He said nothing about BCS Games. I typed real slow so that you could understand! Just Saying!
I could care less about the Civil war! Before my time!

SevenT writes:

in response to JSmith525:

No dufus what he said was, and you can read it again if that helps, was that in the BCS era 5 SEC teams have won "BCS TITLES" and your comment was totally off base from that. He said nothing about BCS Games. I typed real slow so that you could understand! Just Saying!
I could care less about the Civil war! Before my time!

WOW thanks for the attention!! I take great pride in having someone of your stature remove my comment

JSmith525 writes:

I didn't remove your comment. I didn't even suggest removal. You actually accomplished that feat all by yourself!

orangecountyvols writes:

in response to JSmith525:

I didn't remove your comment. I didn't even suggest removal. You actually accomplished that feat all by yourself!

JSmith,

Actually, this kid is rolling the dice. Of all the trolls who've been deleted, this little punk is like the cat with 9 lives. It's amazing he's survived this long. If fact, there have probably been better, ( if we can use the word 'better' )..........trolls who've been deleted from GVX.

In time, in time. This little kid will be searching for another screen name again.

govols1234567 writes:

in response to SevenT:

HMMM

Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State

All have big time programs with national titles ......the BCS is a relatively new Bowl system that is about to go away ....Sorry you don't know what you are talking about.

Well, if you want to play it like that, we can destroy you in this debate even further. Alabama, Ole Miss, Tennessee, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Georgia Tech (who was in the SEC at the time) all have "National Titles".

Name 4 more from the Big 10 since the 40s and we can talk.

SevenT writes:

in response to JSmith525:

I didn't remove your comment. I didn't even suggest removal. You actually accomplished that feat all by yourself!

I have always been fascinated with the "Suggest Removal" process. On several occasions I have posted what I consider to be very bland comments and the powers remove them.

I can see that I struck a nerve with you and you are very sensitive.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to JSmith525:

Folks can talk up the non SEC conferences all they want but facts are facts. The SEC is 9-1 in BCS Championships, With that one loss to another SEC team. Before the BCS when the writers picked the Champion after bowl games was when the other Conferences grabbed themselves titles. When going head to head to determine the Champion the SEC has never lost. The other Conferences will be trying to catch up for a long time to come. Ohio St. with or without cryer will never win a Championship vs the SEC. Their only hope will be if they playa Non-SEC team for the championship.

Yep..

JSmith525 writes:

< Mister Sensitive! Yep that's me. lol

Chappy writes:

in response to SevenT:

I have always been fascinated with the "Suggest Removal" process. On several occasions I have posted what I consider to be very bland comments and the powers remove them.

I can see that I struck a nerve with you and you are very sensitive.

I've always been fascinated that there are people in the world who get their kicks by making negative, anonymous comments on another team's fan board.

SevenT writes:

in response to JSmith525:

< Mister Sensitive! Yep that's me. lol

You are on a roll today I see you also reported
"notfunanymore" because his comment is removed as well.

I don't get it, maybe it was something in your childhood?

JSmith525 writes:

in response to SevenT:

You are on a roll today I see you also reported
"notfunanymore" because his comment is removed as well.

I don't get it, maybe it was something in your childhood?

He just wasn't funny anymore! :)

volfan73120#211815 writes:

in response to SevenT:

HMMM

Ohio State
Michigan
Nebraska
Penn State

All have big time programs with national titles ......the BCS is a relatively new Bowl system that is about to go away ....Sorry you don't know what you are talking about.

I don't believe Nebraska and Penn State were members of the Big 10 when they won their national championships.

Central_IL_Vol writes:

in response to SevenT:

Top to Bottom there is very little difference between the Big 10 and SEC....The SEC likes to beat their chest but really they ride the coat-tails of the success of Florida and Alabama.

Having fun sitting in front of mama's computer in her double-wide, Seven Teeth? You are nothing more than a snivveling little troll that knows squat about football. Stick with something you do know! On second thought, scratch that last statement!

Central_IL_Vol writes:

in response to SevenT:

You are on a roll today I see you also reported
"notfunanymore" because his comment is removed as well.

I don't get it, maybe it was something in your childhood?

"I don't get it" You are right about that; YOU DONT'T GET IT, and never will!

UT4prez writes:

The Big 10 and SEC did used to be very close. Now the Big 10 isn't even the second best conference. I'd give that to the Pac 12 or whatever they're called now. Last year was the worst I've ever seen the Big 10. Ohio St was a good but not great team last year and ran the table. I watched them struggle mightily against bad OOC teams. Cal should have beaten them in Columbus.

Changing points, I don't think simply looking at records in bowl games gives the whole tale. Usually the SEC is putting their 4th or 5th best team against the 2nd best from another conference and the dominoes fall from there. SEC 6 vs whatever conference 3. Look at the bowl affiliations and you'll see that. Also, objectively look at the matchups each year and you'll see that. Now, being objective, it seemed last year were pretty even matchups mostly and the SEC went 6-3. No one wins them all. It helps even the field when 2 SEC teams go the BCS.

RealisticVol writes:

in response to SevenT:

Top to Bottom there is very little difference between the Big 10 and SEC....The SEC likes to beat their chest but really they ride the coat-tails of the success of Florida and Alabama.

LOL, keep ignoring the bowls, National Championships and NFL selections.

protegewill writes:

in response to JSmith525:

Hey stupid. He said BCS Championships. What year did Michigan, Penn State or Nebraska win. I seem to forget those years.

1998 January 4, 1999 1 Tennessee 23 2 Florida St. 16 Fiesta Bowl
1999 January 4, 2000 1 Florida St. 46 2 Virginia Tech 29 Sugar Bowl
2000 January 3, 2001 1 Oklahoma 13 3 Florida St. 2 Orange Bowl
2001 January 3, 2002 1 Miami 37 4 Nebraska 14 Rose Bowl
2002 January 3, 2003 2 Ohio State 31 1 Miami 24 Fiesta Bowl
2003 January 4, 2004 2 LSU 21 3 Oklahoma 14 Sugar Bowl
2004 January 4, 2005 1 USC 55 2 Oklahoma 19 Orange Bowl
2005 January 4, 2006 2 Texas 41 1 USC 38 Rose Bowl
2006 January 8, 2007 2 Florida 41 1 Ohio State 14 BCS National Championship
2007 January 7, 2008 2 LSU 38 1 Ohio State 24 BCS National Championship
2008 January 8, 2009 1 Florida 24 2 Oklahoma 14 BCS National Championship
2009 January 7, 2010 1 Alabama 37 2 Texas 21 BCS National Championship
2010 January 10, 2011 1 Auburn 22 2 Oregon 19 BCS National Championship
2011 January 9, 2012 2 Alabama 21 1 LSU 0 BCS National Championship
2012 January 7, 2013 2 Alabama 42 1 Notre Dame 14 BCS National Championship

DUH!

Way to hammer the point JSmith525!!!

RealisticVol writes:

in response to protegewill:

Way to hammer the point JSmith525!!!

Yes, in the BCS period, control of the old selection of the "National Champion" by popularity and not necessarily difficulty of schedule of the teams by the biased powerful east and west coast media has been proven to be a sham. The winning of 9 of the BCS trophies by 5 different SEC teams has proven that. Of course those media still have the "Heistman Toupee" and other joke trophies to still manipulate.

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