Tennessee Vols again vow to improve

Tennessee guard Trae Golden (11) shoots over Mercer forward Jakob Gollon (20) in the first half during the first round of the NIT Wednesday, March 20, 2013, at Thompson-Boling Arena. Mercer won 75-67 over Tennessee. (ADAM BRIMER/NEWS SENTINEL)

Photo by Adam Brimer

Tennessee guard Trae Golden (11) shoots over Mercer forward Jakob Gollon (20) in the first half during the first round of the NIT Wednesday, March 20, 2013, at Thompson-Boling Arena. Mercer won 75-67 over Tennessee. (ADAM BRIMER/NEWS SENTINEL)

KNOXVILLE — Trae Golden said he'd be unable to do what most of the country has done the past two days.

Tennessee's point guard expected before the season began that he and his team would be in the NCAA tournament, a belief the Volunteers maintained on Selection Sunday after turning around a middling season with a late run.

Once it wasn't chosen for the big tournament, Tennessee ended coach Cuonzo Martin's second season with a National Invitation Tournament first-round flameout.

"Right now it's tough," Golden said of watching the NCAA tournament after the Vols' loss to Mercer on Wednesday night, "just because you see a couple of teams and tilt your head sideways wondering why you didn't make it.

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tulelakevol writes:

Coach and players will have to step it up next year to improve. Time will tell.

VolFanHoping writes:

What bothers me is their expectation that if a few teams they're questioning being in the tournament weren't, they would be. I think there are other teams that didn't make the tournament (Alabama, Kentucky, Virginia, etc.) that would be ahead of us anyway. We had another bad season in yet another men's sport and got what we deserved. What makes me tilt my head sideways is when UT loses to Austin Peay, Mercer, and goes can't win more than one game in any tournament.

vut5686#1405392 writes:

Trae is still wondering why they "did not make it"? That is perhaps part of the problem: They (Vols bb players) seem to think they are better than their record, results, style of play and those watching think they are. He just needs to watch the last couple of season games, SEC and NIT tournament games again and perhaps he will get it. Trae, you and your buddies played well at times, but at many other critical times, you just did not get it done. Figure out why. Don't waste time worrying why others see you as you are and not as you think you are. Win, play winning basketball forty minutes of every game and the rest will take care of itself.

tomkats3242 writes:

The reason we did not make the dance is that there are no dancing ballplayers. You cannot play one good game a season and expect to beat someone. YOU need quality ball players not also rans. Next season will be no better because there are no players worth talking about and no coaching. FOOTBALL TIME IN TENNESSEE

underthehill writes:

in response to vut5686#1405392:

Trae is still wondering why they "did not make it"? That is perhaps part of the problem: They (Vols bb players) seem to think they are better than their record, results, style of play and those watching think they are. He just needs to watch the last couple of season games, SEC and NIT tournament games again and perhaps he will get it. Trae, you and your buddies played well at times, but at many other critical times, you just did not get it done. Figure out why. Don't waste time worrying why others see you as you are and not as you think you are. Win, play winning basketball forty minutes of every game and the rest will take care of itself.

Unfortunately ..the last 2 games do identify this team..being in denial ain't gonna resolve it..

underthehill writes:

One more thing..don't know if Golden has the speed and will to improve his defense..but if he can't..Martin needs to fall in love with a zone when he is on the floor..man defense don't work when your man is shooting layups..trying to defend with your legs not bent at the knees..don't work..go back and look at some film..you are off balance too much on defense..

romevol writes:

in response to vut5686#1405392:

Trae is still wondering why they "did not make it"? That is perhaps part of the problem: They (Vols bb players) seem to think they are better than their record, results, style of play and those watching think they are. He just needs to watch the last couple of season games, SEC and NIT tournament games again and perhaps he will get it. Trae, you and your buddies played well at times, but at many other critical times, you just did not get it done. Figure out why. Don't waste time worrying why others see you as you are and not as you think you are. Win, play winning basketball forty minutes of every game and the rest will take care of itself.

Agreed. Stop worrying about the things you cannot control and worry about those that you can. I just hope this lesson sinks in before March next year.

GBO

johnlg00 writes:

in response to underthehill:

Unfortunately ..the last 2 games do identify this team..being in denial ain't gonna resolve it..

I didn't see much evidence of denial once they realized they weren't in and then weren't competitive against Mercer. I took it as a good sign that Martin realized that trying to explain not making the NCAAs next year isn't going to cut it. If he really takes a hard look at why they couldn't find a good way to play early when they had opportunities and then later when they really HAD to, they may on the way. LOTS of room for improvement in both coaches and players. Let's hope they capitalize on it.

nvavol writes:

Good grief. He and probably Coach Martin apparently are still confused as to why the Vols didn't make it to the NCAA. Don't strain your thought process guys, the answer is simple as evidenced by your play in the SEC Tournament and the NIT. You were not good enough and didn't deserve to be selected. Just look at how the teams that are in play and compare that to some of your game films. Night and Day difference.

sly_stone99#434111 writes:

Lots of if's next season for this team. If Maymon comes back and has a healthy productive season would be a big plus. If Stokes can find that 8 to 10ft jumper consistently, if Mcrae & Golden both step up as seniors through out the year, if Hubbs can contribute at this level within CCM's system. Lots of "IF's".

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to sly_stone99#434111:

Lots of if's next season for this team. If Maymon comes back and has a healthy productive season would be a big plus. If Stokes can find that 8 to 10ft jumper consistently, if Mcrae & Golden both step up as seniors through out the year, if Hubbs can contribute at this level within CCM's system. Lots of "IF's".

No guarantee Stokes will be back either..He's seriously contemplating the NBA, but if he doe get drafted it won't be higher than the 2nd round IMO.

SummittsCourt writes:

I think the team overall did improve from last season. I believe next season they will take the next step and make the tournament without all of this crazy bubble talk.

allvol8 writes:

Vols...I support you..but you HAVE to step up...my daughter in HS shot90% on free throws..her coach told them freethrows could make or break a game..she ran the team doing suicides and if they made 9 out of 10 shots..they could stop..this was at the end of practice...now being college players I would expect no less...run 1 mile them shoot free throws ..get 9/10 you can stop running..do that starting now

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to allvol8:

Vols...I support you..but you HAVE to step up...my daughter in HS shot90% on free throws..her coach told them freethrows could make or break a game..she ran the team doing suicides and if they made 9 out of 10 shots..they could stop..this was at the end of practice...now being college players I would expect no less...run 1 mile them shoot free throws ..get 9/10 you can stop running..do that starting now

Sounds like a plan..lol

sly_stone99#434111 writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

No guarantee Stokes will be back either..He's seriously contemplating the NBA, but if he doe get drafted it won't be higher than the 2nd round IMO.

He would be making a huge mistake going at this time. He still needs to develop an inside post game. He has so many glaring weaknesses in his offensive skill set that he should realize he needs another year to address it.

bUTch_please writes:

Good ol' next year. If you keep doing the same things you've always done...you'll keep getting the results you've always gotten.

Major issues this year that will move on..Hall never could provide strong, balanced minutes each game. Too quick to foul, poor vision on defense and very spotty scoring. McBee was injured all year in his shooting elbow so never found a rhythm that he could settle into. The hardest playing man on the floor is still a liability if he's always shorter and slower than the man he's on. But he gave it his all.

Big issues coming back..Golden is a defensive liability with his lack of lateral movement. Also an offensive liability in that he can just throw the ball away on the dribble or take the worlds least advisable shot at the worst possible time in the game. Yea, I know hes come a long way, but..it's still rough. Stokes is so passive. If he played with Maymons' intensity he'd be all world. But..he's barely past a Freshman in playing time so..hope..hope..hope he gets some fire in his belly.

Love Coach Zo but I sincerely wish we could find an offensive philosophy to help our team manufacture points, you know, inbound plays and such. Plus, if we are going to hang our hat on being the best defense in the league..got to stop the pick and roll people. Sometimes it seems like Coach Zo is coaching against ghosts of the past or trying to build players out of spit and guts but..any team with any selection of good players can win IF they are coached to their strengths instead of always trying to improve their weaknesses.

Zo VOLS!

movol53 writes:

Ok so they were disappointed that they did not make the big dance - - cry me a river. They were invited to the NIT and they accepted the invitation. Now show some PRIDE and defend your home court!!! Want to PROVE you were snubbed by the NCAA? Then go out and win the NIT; show everyone the selection committee made a mistake. Over the years lots of big time BB programs have ended up in the NIT; so do something with that chance. Watching the game I noticed a couple of things. Seems as through the starting line up was different than during the "run" at the end of the season; so why change it? Why did Chevios start?? And there was another player (forget his name) that took Richardson's place. Strokes looks so awkward when he dribbles the ball two - three times and then he seemingly has only one move to the right and then a little hook. Seems he can't get off the ground when he is around the basket; he's not above the rim much like most big guys. He needs to work on his vertical. Team loses two seniors and hopefully they gain two incoming players that can immediately take the offense to another level; McRae can't do it alone; as he got help from others inconsistently. And then he is inconsistent as well. Some have stated that Martin shows no emotion on the side line. That is NOT his personality. He has learned from his life experiences to be even keeled. He does have passion for basketball and UT. Some keep comparing Martin to (I could have a heart attack at anytime)Bruce. They are simply different personalities. I've been watching Vol sports since the 60's and I love to win but this NOT playing because you got your feelings hurt is NOT acceptable. I love my Vols but this team has got to get better.

Just one last thing; PLEASE watch some film from Bruce's teams as how to defend an in bounds pass and more importantly how to score off in bounds passes Bruce's teams were pretty good at those two things.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to sly_stone99#434111:

He would be making a huge mistake going at this time. He still needs to develop an inside post game. He has so many glaring weaknesses in his offensive skill set that he should realize he needs another year to address it.

I'm with you on that one..Stokes has lapses on defense and he has no mid-range offense. I do believe he could be another Baby Davis type NBA player, but he'll never be a 5 in the NBA or Europe/Turkey/Israel.

67classut writes:

Stokes in the NBA? I am not sure he should be starting on UT's team. How many turnovers and times he took a basketball sandwich trying to shoot? He, like most members are very overrated.

underthehill writes:

in response to johnlg00:

I didn't see much evidence of denial once they realized they weren't in and then weren't competitive against Mercer. I took it as a good sign that Martin realized that trying to explain not making the NCAAs next year isn't going to cut it. If he really takes a hard look at why they couldn't find a good way to play early when they had opportunities and then later when they really HAD to, they may on the way. LOTS of room for improvement in both coaches and players. Let's hope they capitalize on it.

John ..go back and read the article..Golden still looking at teams that made it and wondering why they did not is being in denial to me..I am disappointed with the reaction of coach Martin and the players over not making the NCAA..they obviously were not good enough..and they do have lots of room for improvement ..I hope for the best for both the players and Coach Martin..watching the NCAA it is obvious to me UT cannot play hard just when they chose to and be winners..gotta play hard for 40 min..and gotta have ball handlers to finish out games..

vol98champ writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

I'm with you on that one..Stokes has lapses on defense and he has no mid-range offense. I do believe he could be another Baby Davis type NBA player, but he'll never be a 5 in the NBA or Europe/Turkey/Israel.

It seemed to me that Stokes could excel when his defender was his size or smaller, but when he ran into bigger, stronger guys he couldn't hang with them. In the NBA all 5's are bigger than him. I also wonder about 12 offensive rebounds and only 1 defensive. That shows me a lack of desire except to score.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to vol98champ:

It seemed to me that Stokes could excel when his defender was his size or smaller, but when he ran into bigger, stronger guys he couldn't hang with them. In the NBA all 5's are bigger than him. I also wonder about 12 offensive rebounds and only 1 defensive. That shows me a lack of desire except to score.

Defensively I think it's just being lazy and not blocking out properly. It also has to do with allowing opposition to make easy baskets and not being able to get rebounds because the other team is scoring at a high %.

usnavyvolfan__times_free_press_can_shove_it writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

Defensively I think it's just being lazy and not blocking out properly. It also has to do with allowing opposition to make easy baskets and not being able to get rebounds because the other team is scoring at a high %.

Stokes made great strides as the season went on. But he's still a diamond in the rough,and entering the draft would be a mistake. He's still not the intimidating inside player I think he CAN be. Once he figures that out, he'll scary good.

Witch_Doctors writes:

Witch Doctor say its this its that..Witch Doctors only criticism is learn in the off season to play zone D. Witch Doctor say 4-5 games were lost by teams exploiting our inability to stop high pick and rolls and shooters coming off the high screen.
Bones never lie.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctor say its this its that..Witch Doctors only criticism is learn in the off season to play zone D. Witch Doctor say 4-5 games were lost by teams exploiting our inability to stop high pick and rolls and shooters coming off the high screen.
Bones never lie.

And the inability to shoot the opposition out of a zone..UT needs a zone busting sharp-shooter PG or a really versatile small forward. Maybe Hubbs can be that player..

Witch_Doctors writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

And the inability to shoot the opposition out of a zone..UT needs a zone busting sharp-shooter PG or a really versatile small forward. Maybe Hubbs can be that player..

Witch Doctor does believe Hubbs will make everyone better. Witch Doctor say he is an upgrade at that position over McBee(not hating on McBee)
Bones never lie.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to Witch_Doctors:

Witch Doctor does believe Hubbs will make everyone better. Witch Doctor say he is an upgrade at that position over McBee(not hating on McBee)
Bones never lie.

Well, with approval from a Doctor, I'm satisfied..

rb4346 writes:

in response to nvavol:

Good grief. He and probably Coach Martin apparently are still confused as to why the Vols didn't make it to the NCAA. Don't strain your thought process guys, the answer is simple as evidenced by your play in the SEC Tournament and the NIT. You were not good enough and didn't deserve to be selected. Just look at how the teams that are in play and compare that to some of your game films. Night and Day difference.

Agree with you all the way. I hate to keep complaining about CCM but his attitude after not receiving a bid to the big dance was pathetic. He should have been upset but he should have sucked it up and went on and have the players out for blood. This situation could affect the Vols next year also. Wichita State (who the Vols beat this year) faced the same situation in either 2005 or 2006 but instead of pouting about it, Coach Marshall had the kids believing they could beat anyone. They won the NIT and the next year in the big dance they made it to the sweet 16 (they lost the first game, however). Since then they have been back to the big dance 3 times. They beat Pittsburg the other nigh and advanced to play number 1 seed. Point of this is the coach can make or break a team by his attitude and that seems to be happening with the Vols. I love the Vols and it is sickening to see this happening to them. I feel they are more talented than Wichita State and CCM should quit his pouting ad have the Vols playing at the next level. Sorry about the long post but I feel Tennessee deserves better than what they are getting. This is my opinion and am not trying to upset anyone or trying to toot Wichita State's horn, just saying what I believe. !!! GBO !!!

johnlg00 writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

Defensively I think it's just being lazy and not blocking out properly. It also has to do with allowing opposition to make easy baskets and not being able to get rebounds because the other team is scoring at a high %.

It also might have something to do with the fact that he was always having to be concerned with help defense when the guards got beat on drives, so he wasn't able to concentrate on getting good defensive rebounding position. There are lots of different elements in every basketball play, so it is hard to point to just one guy's apparent failures and blame him if something goes wrong. And of course your last point is well taken. Didn't Mercer shoot over 50% in that game?

johnlg00 writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

No guarantee Stokes will be back either..He's seriously contemplating the NBA, but if he doe get drafted it won't be higher than the 2nd round IMO.

What makes you think Stokes is considering going pro? I certainly haven't read anything about that. I think Stokes is smart enough to know that his game isn't NBA-ready yet, though I guess I could be wrong.

Witch_Doctors writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

Well, with approval from a Doctor, I'm satisfied..

Witch Doctor say IMO. Witch Doctor know nothing about kids these days. lol
Bones never lie.

allvol8 writes:

in response to movol53:

Ok so they were disappointed that they did not make the big dance - - cry me a river. They were invited to the NIT and they accepted the invitation. Now show some PRIDE and defend your home court!!! Want to PROVE you were snubbed by the NCAA? Then go out and win the NIT; show everyone the selection committee made a mistake. Over the years lots of big time BB programs have ended up in the NIT; so do something with that chance. Watching the game I noticed a couple of things. Seems as through the starting line up was different than during the "run" at the end of the season; so why change it? Why did Chevios start?? And there was another player (forget his name) that took Richardson's place. Strokes looks so awkward when he dribbles the ball two - three times and then he seemingly has only one move to the right and then a little hook. Seems he can't get off the ground when he is around the basket; he's not above the rim much like most big guys. He needs to work on his vertical. Team loses two seniors and hopefully they gain two incoming players that can immediately take the offense to another level; McRae can't do it alone; as he got help from others inconsistently. And then he is inconsistent as well. Some have stated that Martin shows no emotion on the side line. That is NOT his personality. He has learned from his life experiences to be even keeled. He does have passion for basketball and UT. Some keep comparing Martin to (I could have a heart attack at anytime)Bruce. They are simply different personalities. I've been watching Vol sports since the 60's and I love to win but this NOT playing because you got your feelings hurt is NOT acceptable. I love my Vols but this team has got to get better.

Just one last thing; PLEASE watch some film from Bruce's teams as how to defend an in bounds pass and more importantly how to score off in bounds passes Bruce's teams were pretty good at those two things.

Well said; But under Bruce; they also stunk at making FT.

OldVols68 writes:

Let's face it -- Tennessee men's basketball has sucked for just about all time...only under Brucie Boy did they play halfway decent to be somewhat on Kentucky's and Florida's level.

We should have let Pat coach the men's team in addition to the women's team:)

OldVols68 writes:

in response to johnlg00:

What makes you think Stokes is considering going pro? I certainly haven't read anything about that. I think Stokes is smart enough to know that his game isn't NBA-ready yet, though I guess I could be wrong.

Nobody on any UT men's basketball team other than Ernie and Bernie and maybe Tom Boerwinkle has ever been NBA material. Even Tobias Harris... Oh yeah, forgot about Allen Houston...maybe there are a couple more, but they do not come to mind.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to johnlg00:

What makes you think Stokes is considering going pro? I certainly haven't read anything about that. I think Stokes is smart enough to know that his game isn't NBA-ready yet, though I guess I could be wrong.

Well, an article on gv247 said he iss weighing his options..But Tennessee’s All-SEC sophomore forward insists that he’s just now going to start exploring his options and debating whether to enter the NBA Draft.

“I really haven’t put too much thought into it yet,” Stokes said in an exclusive, one-on-one interview with govols247. “I’m still upset at the fact that we didn’t make the (NCAA Tournament), and that we lost (in the NIT). It’s not really something I’ve been thinking about too much. I’m really not sure.”

Stokes, like everyone else in his situation, has three options. He could declare for the draft and hire an agent, which would terminate his college eligibility. He could declare for the draft but not sign with an agent — something the NCAA allows players to do one time — which would allow him to workout for teams on his own dime and then make a final decision before possibly returning to school. Or he could simply decide to return to school and test the waters another year.

The 6-foot-8, 270-pound Memphis native said he’s aware of all three options, but he’s not leaning toward any of them at this point.

“I just have to get feedback,” Stokes said. “I want to make an informed decision. I don’t want to make any dumb decisions. That’s the worst thing you can do.”

Stokes said he’s already started to hear from would-be agent types — inarguably the most disappointing part of this process for talented players — but he’s ignored all of them and will continue to do so until he, his father and second-year Vols coach Cuonzo Martin have considered every option and made a decision.

“It’s just me and my dad right now,” Stokes said. “Me and my dad will make that decision — and Coach Martin, too. I’ll definitely listen to Coach Martin’s words. He’s a guy that I trust. Obviously I committed here because I trust him. I’ll see what he has to say about the whole process.”

Regardless of where he plays next season, Stokes his best basketball is “definitely” ahead of him. He said he wasn’t able to show some of those improvements this season because of constant double-teams and occasional triple-teams in the post — an unfortunate byproduct of All-SEC forward Jeronne Maymon having to sit out this season while recovering from multiple procedures on both knees.

underthehill writes:

in response to OldVols68:

Nobody on any UT men's basketball team other than Ernie and Bernie and maybe Tom Boerwinkle has ever been NBA material. Even Tobias Harris... Oh yeah, forgot about Allen Houston...maybe there are a couple more, but they do not come to mind.

Gene Tarmohlen (guess at spelling) I think played for St Louis ..not sure..and Watson still playing..and a pretty good 3 point shooter named ..Dale Ellis..

oldster writes:

His team gets its head handed to it by Mercer and he wonders why his team did not make it into the NCAA? Obviously, critical thinking is a course of study which Trae needs to take. Trae, when your team plays like phooey in a league that plays like phooey, you get treated like phooey. Simple.

oldster writes:

I wonder if any of CCM's recruits can actually shoot a three or a free throw? I would wager that if they can, it was something he did not consider. He, like a lot of other coaches, only look to see if they are long, can run and jump. They recruit atheletes (I spelled it the way they often pronounce it), rather than basketball players. The one coach who pointedly recruits basketball players, Coach K. Ever notice how he always has at least one guy who can nail the outside shot? It is no accident. Besides, they are aways available. No one else wants someone who can just shoot - even though the point of the game is to score more points than the other team and the hardest thing to do in the game is shoot accurately.

Theo writes:

in response to usnavyvolfan__times_free_press_can_shove_it:

Stokes made great strides as the season went on. But he's still a diamond in the rough,and entering the draft would be a mistake. He's still not the intimidating inside player I think he CAN be. Once he figures that out, he'll scary good.

The other thing to remember about Stokes is that age wise he was just a Freshman this year. He is a big, big kid but he is probably only 19 right now. Some maturity and more experience would make a better long term trajectory for him.

Sir_Spanky writes:

"Right now it's tough," Golden said of watching the NCAA tournament after the Vols' loss to Mercer on Wednesday night, "just because you see a couple of teams and tilt your head sideways wondering why you didn't make it".

And you say that after losing to Mercer on your home floor? That's laughable!

brokendownoldvol writes:

Sorry Trae everyone else will be better you guys will stay the same. Some of you will even get worse.

BIVOLAR_BEARE writes:

in response to notfunanymore:

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I disagree, UT has 2 PG's enrolling this Fall and Maymon will be back as a mid-range/low post threat. This team will be much improved over the last two seasons. That's if Stokes & McRae both come back, if they leave that may throw a wrench in the plan.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

Well, an article on gv247 said he iss weighing his options..But Tennessee’s All-SEC sophomore forward insists that he’s just now going to start exploring his options and debating whether to enter the NBA Draft.

“I really haven’t put too much thought into it yet,” Stokes said in an exclusive, one-on-one interview with govols247. “I’m still upset at the fact that we didn’t make the (NCAA Tournament), and that we lost (in the NIT). It’s not really something I’ve been thinking about too much. I’m really not sure.”

Stokes, like everyone else in his situation, has three options. He could declare for the draft and hire an agent, which would terminate his college eligibility. He could declare for the draft but not sign with an agent — something the NCAA allows players to do one time — which would allow him to workout for teams on his own dime and then make a final decision before possibly returning to school. Or he could simply decide to return to school and test the waters another year.

The 6-foot-8, 270-pound Memphis native said he’s aware of all three options, but he’s not leaning toward any of them at this point.

“I just have to get feedback,” Stokes said. “I want to make an informed decision. I don’t want to make any dumb decisions. That’s the worst thing you can do.”

Stokes said he’s already started to hear from would-be agent types — inarguably the most disappointing part of this process for talented players — but he’s ignored all of them and will continue to do so until he, his father and second-year Vols coach Cuonzo Martin have considered every option and made a decision.

“It’s just me and my dad right now,” Stokes said. “Me and my dad will make that decision — and Coach Martin, too. I’ll definitely listen to Coach Martin’s words. He’s a guy that I trust. Obviously I committed here because I trust him. I’ll see what he has to say about the whole process.”

Regardless of where he plays next season, Stokes his best basketball is “definitely” ahead of him. He said he wasn’t able to show some of those improvements this season because of constant double-teams and occasional triple-teams in the post — an unfortunate byproduct of All-SEC forward Jeronne Maymon having to sit out this season while recovering from multiple procedures on both knees.

Thanks for the info. I don't subscribe to GV247 so I missed that. If Jarnell is serious about only taking GOOD advice, odds are pretty good that he will stick around another year, IMHO. The only wiggle room in the direction of going that I saw was the reference to the double- and triple-teams that prevented him from playing his total game. He certainly wouldn't be worthy of that kind of attention in the NBA. On the other hand, he doesn't yet have a go-to post move that would work even on individual NBA-level defenders and doesn't have the reliable mid-range jumper that nearly all NBA players have to have these days. Also IMHO, he needs to work on all aspects of defense; he doesn't have the height or leaping ability to defend the post in the pros and may lack the foot speed to defend farther out on the floor. If the people he trusts tell him that, he is smart enough to come back for another year. I hope!

johnlg00 writes:

in response to underthehill:

Gene Tarmohlen (guess at spelling) I think played for St Louis ..not sure..and Watson still playing..and a pretty good 3 point shooter named ..Dale Ellis..

Tormohlen played a good 10-12 years in the NBA and was among the leading rebounders every year he played. Tom Boerwinkle was the career rebounding leader for the Chicago Bulls until very recently.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to brokendownoldvol:

Sorry Trae everyone else will be better you guys will stay the same. Some of you will even get worse.

I'm sorry, but that is totally wrong. Every player on the team was better this year than they were last year, except maybe Kenny Hall. They still have room to improve further, and they had better do so if the team is to make a jump next year. Their main problem this year, when they had problems, was more in the mental/emotional area than any real skill deficiencies. It is partially the coach's fault that they didn't have a real team system that would use their talents to their best advantage. And there is absolutely no reason to think everybody else will improve; all of the teams that finished ahead of the Vols will have MAJOR losses to replace. If the Vols don't get it done in a BIG way next year, they may never do it. If they don't, I'm good with letting CCM go--AFTER next season.

underthehill writes:

in response to johnlg00:

Thanks for the info. I don't subscribe to GV247 so I missed that. If Jarnell is serious about only taking GOOD advice, odds are pretty good that he will stick around another year, IMHO. The only wiggle room in the direction of going that I saw was the reference to the double- and triple-teams that prevented him from playing his total game. He certainly wouldn't be worthy of that kind of attention in the NBA. On the other hand, he doesn't yet have a go-to post move that would work even on individual NBA-level defenders and doesn't have the reliable mid-range jumper that nearly all NBA players have to have these days. Also IMHO, he needs to work on all aspects of defense; he doesn't have the height or leaping ability to defend the post in the pros and may lack the foot speed to defend farther out on the floor. If the people he trusts tell him that, he is smart enough to come back for another year. I hope!

I think it 99.9% Stokes will be back..only thing that makes sense due to his age and lack of maturity..he has the physical talent to rebound with anybody..and that alone will get him a long NBA career if he can get a little mean streak when he walks on the floor..ok to be a nice boy otherwise..not ok on the court..

oldster writes:

in response to johnlg00:

I'm sorry, but that is totally wrong. Every player on the team was better this year than they were last year, except maybe Kenny Hall. They still have room to improve further, and they had better do so if the team is to make a jump next year. Their main problem this year, when they had problems, was more in the mental/emotional area than any real skill deficiencies. It is partially the coach's fault that they didn't have a real team system that would use their talents to their best advantage. And there is absolutely no reason to think everybody else will improve; all of the teams that finished ahead of the Vols will have MAJOR losses to replace. If the Vols don't get it done in a BIG way next year, they may never do it. If they don't, I'm good with letting CCM go--AFTER next season.

I think you need to look at the stat sheet again. I do not believe either Skylar McBee or Trae were as productive as last year, either. Both had injuries which may have contributed, but whatever the reason, they just were not as good as last year (and in McBee's case that would be EVEN as good as last year, which was not all that good). So, that leaves on Stokes -marginally better, but only marginally, Richardson, and McRae (who certainly was no better in tournaments this year, either). As a team or its parts, I saw little improvement, indeed.

Futurecoach16 writes:

in response to oldster:

I think you need to look at the stat sheet again. I do not believe either Skylar McBee or Trae were as productive as last year, either. Both had injuries which may have contributed, but whatever the reason, they just were not as good as last year (and in McBee's case that would be EVEN as good as last year, which was not all that good). So, that leaves on Stokes -marginally better, but only marginally, Richardson, and McRae (who certainly was no better in tournaments this year, either). As a team or its parts, I saw little improvement, indeed.

Yes, Golden's scoring and such went down a bit. Not much, but a little bit. That could be due to others scoring, his injury, or any other number of things. However, I recall this site being FILLED with people complaining about the number of turnovers by this young man. He reduced his turnovers by 35 this year. Had 98 last year, and 63 this year. That's a GREAT improvement. Shows that he (and most likely the coaching staff) have worked hard to improve his ball handling. So, yeah, his scoring went down a bit, but he did improve the biggest weakness he has had to date. That cannot be denied in the least.

brod writes:

the team is what it is offensively. improvement needs to come on the defensive end, and that starts with coaching. this team can't make a stop when they need one. their defensive stats per possession are lousy. martin needs to get better at coaching defense.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to oldster:

I think you need to look at the stat sheet again. I do not believe either Skylar McBee or Trae were as productive as last year, either. Both had injuries which may have contributed, but whatever the reason, they just were not as good as last year (and in McBee's case that would be EVEN as good as last year, which was not all that good). So, that leaves on Stokes -marginally better, but only marginally, Richardson, and McRae (who certainly was no better in tournaments this year, either). As a team or its parts, I saw little improvement, indeed.

I agree that McBee and Golden had their lapses this year. However, the fact that both were injured part of this year doesn't mean that no player development was going on. Besides, I didn't even mention Richardson previously, and he made great strides this year. He was the only one showing any real energy and production in the last couple of games. McRae might have flamed out late, but before that he was playing at a much higher level than he did last year. I have noted deficiencies on the part of several of the players, but in that last post I was perhaps overreacting to the idea that there has been NO player development. Team performance was about the same on the whole, but there were no really "bad losses" on the par of losing to an APSU for example. Some might have seen losing twice to Ole Miss as "bad", but they gave a pretty good account of themselves in the NCAAs. A couple more made FTs and they would be in the Sweet Sixteen.

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