Like Bruce Pearl, most coaches survive NCAA show-cause orders

In this Feb. 14, 2009, photo, former Tennessee coach Bruce Pearl directs players against Vanderbilt during a game at Thompson Boling Arena on Saturday. Tennessee won the game 69-50. (Amy Smotherman Burgess/News Sentinel)

Photo by Amy Smotherman Burgess, Knoxville News Sentinel

In this Feb. 14, 2009, photo, former Tennessee coach Bruce Pearl directs players against Vanderbilt during a game at Thompson Boling Arena on Saturday. Tennessee won the game 69-50. (Amy Smotherman Burgess/News Sentinel)

COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) — Few words are less welcome to college basketball coaches than "show cause," shorthand for the NCAA penalty designed to keep those sanctioned for misconduct at one school from quickly jumping to another campus.

Yet an Associated Press review of infractions cases since 2000 found that show-cause orders tend to have a sharply uneven impact.

Of the 44 former men's basketball coaches given show-cause orders since 2000, at least 25 found other basketball jobs, usually after the orders expired. Some remained involved with big-time programs, while others labored in obscurity at junior colleges, high schools or AAU programs. A few have found second acts in the NBA or as TV analysts.

Head coaches hit with show-cause orders tend to fare far better than the assistants deemed complicit in their misdeeds, the AP found.

Take former Tennessee coach Bruce Pearl. A three-year, show-cause order in August 2011 for lying to NCAA investigators about improperly hosting recruits at his home didn't keep him from joining ESPN as a college basketball analyst little more than a year later. That was after a stint at Sirius Radio.

Former Pearl assistant Steve Forbes, who was handed a one-year order, is head coach at Northwest Florida State College. His top assistant is Jason Shay, who also left Tennessee with a one-year show cause. Tony Jones, a third Pearl assistant who received a one-year order, was a preps coach in Alcoa, Tenn., until he resigned Monday.

Washington State assistant Ray Lopes joined the Cougars in May 2012 after a pair of show-cause orders given to him for making hundreds of impermissible recruiting phone calls — first at Oklahoma from 1995 to 2002 under Kelvin Sampson, and then again as Fresno State's head coach several years later.

"Many, many doors were shut on me out of fear, because of the show-cause tag on my resume," said Lopes, who started his climb back to the college ranks as an associate coach in the NBA D-League. "I was basically not worth taking a chance on, even though I had developed a pretty good reputation. None of that seemed to matter ... I almost gave up hope."

Under the penalty, schools that want to hire coaches with active show-cause orders essentially must prove to the NCAA that the rule-breaker has made amends. If not, any broader sanctions levied against the offender's former school can carry over to the new employer.

Former New Mexico State assistant Fletcher Cockrell left coaching for law school after receiving a 10-year order in 2001. The NCAA found that former Aggies coach Neil McCarthy agreed to hire Cockrell from Jones County Community College in Mississippi if he steered two of his JUCO players to Las Cruces. The NCAA also found Cockrell guilty of academic fraud by providing test answers to the two players.

"I'm doing quite well," said Cockrell, now a Houston attorney. "I'm OK, trust me."

So is Sampson, who is now an NBA assistant with the Houston Rockets following previous jobs with the Milwaukee Bucks and San Antonio Spurs. He declined to comment for this story.

The punishment has a long history. According to the NCAA, the University of Nebraska-Omaha received the first show-cause penalty in April 1963 — an institutional penalty after the football team played in an unsanctioned postseason game. A decade later, the NCAA handed down what appears to be its first show-cause penalty against an individual, when the athletic director at what was then known as Bloomsburg State College in Pennsylvania was found to have improperly raised scholarship money from outside boosters.

Show-cause orders are more prevalent now, with the NCAA issuing more than 100 overall since 2000, covering sports from football and basketball to baseball, soccer, track, swimming, golf, rugby and rowing. Ten such orders were handed down in three of the past five years, with the penalties' duration ranging from two months to 10 years.

And coaches aren't the only ones hit. Recent show-cause orders have been issued against tutors, volunteer coaches, graduate assistants, secretaries, athletic directors, compliance officers, faculty athletic representatives and directors of operations.

The NCAA was unable to provide more detailed statistics that could further help assess the impact of show-cause orders, including the number of times its Committee on Infractions has heard requests from show-cause coaches to work elsewhere — as well as the number of times such requests were allowed or denied.

Rod Uphoff, a member of the infractions committee since 2009, said NCAA punishments tend to mirror the criminal justice system, where judges consider a range of penalties depending on the severity of the violation and the history of the offender.

"Sometimes, with youthful assistant coaches who seem to be operating under the (influence) of a head coach, the committee may be more sympathetic than with an assistant coach who's been around for 20 years and ought to know the rules better," he said.

Uphoff, a University of Missouri law professor, said the committee employs show-cause orders not to run off unscrupulous coaches, but to put future employers on notice.

"They need to ensure that there are safeguards in place so that this person won't be tempted to violate the rules in the future," he said. Uphoff added that he couldn't recall a single case during his tenure of a show-cause employee or a prospective new boss petitioning the committee for another chance.

Of course, programs outside NCAA oversight don't need to seek such permission. Former Radford coach Brad Greenberg got a job in June 2012 leading Maccabi Haifa, a pro basketball team in Israel, mere months after receiving a five-year show cause order for misleading NCAA investigators looking into improper benefits for athletes.

Two Greenberg assistants coach high school teams in Virginia and Florida. His former director of basketball operations coaches at a Virginia military academy. Each received two-year orders.

Others, however, struggle to recover from show-cause orders, years after the penalties expire.

Twelve years after receiving a three-year order for reportedly watching recruits during a pickup game, former Buffalo coach Tim Cohane is suing the NCAA in federal court over what he calls a botched investigation in which his former players were threatened with losing their scholarships if they didn't incriminate their former coach.

Cohane is now associate head coach at Roger Williams University in Rhode Island, a Division III school. He's also an adjunct law professor whose online faculty bio says he attended law school to "be able to represent student-athletes and coaches against the (NCAA)."

Kent State coach Rob Senderoff, a former Sampson assistant at Indiana, successfully petitioned the infractions committee in November 2008 to allow his hiring as an assistant at the school where he had previously spent four years despite a three-year show cause order for his role in the impermissible phone calls case.

Former Kent State athletic director Laing Kennedy, now retired, joined Senderoff at the committee hearing in a show of support. Kennedy's successor then hired Senderoff as head coach in 2011.

Like Lopes, Senderoff acknowledged his mistakes — though both pointed out that the NCAA in January agreed to allow coaches to make unlimited calls and send as many text messages as they want to recruits who have completed their sophomore year of high school. The association now plans to reconsider those changes in response to a swift backlash from some football coaches and athletic directors, including those in the Big Ten.

"I certainly am in the minority," Senderoff said. "I do think you can survive and bounce back from it. I don't know if I would have been able to go to another place. I'm more than grateful. I understand how fortunate I am."

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calijuno writes:

most oaches survive??

Sir_Spanky writes:

Don't you boys have spellcheck?

The1 writes:

Pearl will be next TN coach

ktownorange32 writes:

Well wouldn't ya know it..... A CBP article following another depressing bball season. Who woulda thunk it.

jakethevolguy writes:

in response to The1:

Pearl will be next TN coach

Pearl will be going to Auburn.

westknoxrepub writes:

If we're smart after Cuonzo fails against next year, we hire Bruce back since he's proven he can win here. Otherwise we're stuck with another bargain basement coach who will continue the legacy of such great Tennessee Coaches as Buzz Peterson and Wade Houston.

jt45 writes:

Not sure why CBP would want to go anywhere with all the jobs he has. He seems to be doing quite well at ESPN, but Millions of reasons in the form of cold hard cash would be hard to turn down Im sure, nevertheless I wish him the best of luck no matter where he goes so long as he isnt coaching an opposing team at game time.

voloffaith writes:

"Snatch the PEARL from my hand grasshopper and you will be ready..."

Ready for what? Baggage is too much for Division one team. Yes , I can see our former coach in someone's living room talking to mom and dad and the question comes up about his past. Yes, he can say I've learned that honesty is the best policy even when it hurts. Or, he can say that won't happen again and I'll protect your son to play ball and get a degree. Trust factor will be hard to establish as opponents will use it against him wherever he may land.

madhatter writes:

I hope that Dave Hart will consider bringing Bruce Pearl back to Tennessee Basketball. He brought an excitement level to Tennessee that will probably never be duplicated.This endorsement of CBP is not a knock on CCM. Martin simpily brought a boring brand of basketball with him to Big Orange Country.

madhatter writes:

in response to voloffaith:

"Snatch the PEARL from my hand grasshopper and you will be ready..."

Ready for what? Baggage is too much for Division one team. Yes , I can see our former coach in someone's living room talking to mom and dad and the question comes up about his past. Yes, he can say I've learned that honesty is the best policy even when it hurts. Or, he can say that won't happen again and I'll protect your son to play ball and get a degree. Trust factor will be hard to establish as opponents will use it against him wherever he may land.

I hope that you are wrong on this point. I just don't see this as a big of a deal as some people make it out to be.Hopefully his wife will not let him host anymore Bar-BQ parties at his home.

Oldhickory writes:

Bruce Pearl will be back as the head coach of the Tennessee Volunteers as soon as his show cause penalty expires, and he should be enthusiastically welcomed back by Big Orange fans.

Ayres_Hall writes:

Bruce Pearl is a dirt bag. First, he snitched on others, then when he cheated he asked parents to lie (cover-up) along with him to the NCAA.

Is that who you want leading your team?

No, Bruce Pearl will be hired by a very desperate school and he will swing and miss, again.

tnsportsman writes:

in response to Oldhickory:

Bruce Pearl will be back as the head coach of the Tennessee Volunteers as soon as his show cause penalty expires, and he should be enthusiastically welcomed back by Big Orange fans.

Totally agree BRUUUUUUUCE! GO VOLS! NCAA is A JOKE, they are as corrupt as any school!

CrankE writes:

I have not yet ridden the "Bring Back Bruce" bandwagon. For a couple of reasons, but primarily for this; The #1 priority for UTAD is to Get Football Healthy. Until and unless this happens, nothing else matters. Not one dime for another buyout until they get football rolling.

Martin may be a good guy, but he has not accomplished enough to get anybody at UT fully sold on him and thus put an end the Bring Back Bruce talk. If he doesn't do it next year, then he just might get thrown under the wheels of the Pearl bandwagon and that would be a bad deal all the way around.

If UT rehires Pearl, then we'll have a perpetual target on our back with the NCAA even if everything is spotless and clean. Especially so if Pearl comes in and has success at UT as we all know and expect that he would. This might not be the case if someone else hires him. I love Bruce. He did great stuff at UT, he made us proud, and he might be capable of doing it again. But what if he is rehired at UT, but flounders? Then he'll have to be dismissed and UT loses face for having been fooled twice. It's just too much risk for UT.

In the USSR, when a political prisoner was exiled, he was sent to a remote province, not allowed to return to his home, and lived at the mercy of The Party. In the eyes of The Party, There was no rehabilitation of politicals. Period. So it was rare that the exiled political could find work in his profession or even much help from anyone. The Party would come down on those who associate with or provide aid to politicals. The NCAA's show cause penalty is little different than what Exile was in the USSR.

ArmyDad writes:

Yawn. Another story about a fired UT coach. We've never seen this in the KNS, have we?

Time to move on. This is old news.

As I have said before, that ship has sailed and will never return.

voloffaith writes:

Amazing so many willing/so desperate to take a roll of the dice with a coach with major baggage. No one seems to care what a joke the university would be for hiring a liar who did it more than once. Yes, we all,for the most part, have lied at one point or another in our lives. To those who haven't might hat is off to you. Many on here are implying win at all cost as their mantra. I liked Coach Pearl until he burnt his own bridge and didn't admit it til he got caught. BBQ, lying to nC2a, telling a parent to mislead the nC2a. Just too much baggage....best wishes wherever he lands except when he plays the Vols. Hope he has learned his lesson.

cobragolfer writes:

Bruce Pearl will come back when Lane Kiffin and Mike Hamilton return!

eduardo writes:

Should have held onto CBP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3 yr show cause? Who cares? We aint going to the dance with this coach!!!!!

tfortennessee writes:

in response to The1:

Pearl will be next TN coach

That would not be a bad thing.

ktownorange32 writes:

in response to ArmyDad:

Yawn. Another story about a fired UT coach. We've never seen this in the KNS, have we?

Time to move on. This is old news.

As I have said before, that ship has sailed and will never return.

I have to agree..... move on. I am actually a supporter of bringing CBP back, but I don't think it will happen. I love the guy, think he paid his dues, didn't do anything that we all do on a normal basis.... etc. What he did doesn't make him a bad person, it makes him human. I lie all the time to my boss to keep my rear out of trouble.... there's just not a committee set up at my job to sniff me out. And anyone that says they don't or haven't done exactly the same at some point in their life is a liar themselves. All that being said, I would jump up and down if Bruce came back, but ArmyDad is right, I just don't see Hart going that route and we need to just let it go. Support who we have if you're a true fan and if CCM doesn't get it done next year, support whoever Hart brings in. (still crosses fingers tho lol)

creekroad writes:

in response to Ayres_Hall:

Bruce Pearl is a dirt bag. First, he snitched on others, then when he cheated he asked parents to lie (cover-up) along with him to the NCAA.

Is that who you want leading your team?

No, Bruce Pearl will be hired by a very desperate school and he will swing and miss, again.

I fear that the definition of "a very desperate school" equals UT.

TheViper writes:

in response to The1:

Pearl will be next TN coach

I've been telling people that for over a year now, they say no way, well Tony quit his job, Bruce will be able to coach August 2014 and he will be I think replacing Martin, I think that was the deal all lone, the wheels are already in motion and the one's knocking the ideal of this happening you will be right there cheering him and the team on. If you chose not keep your seats someone else will gladly take them.

cheetah-vol writes:

Has anyone actually read anything that CBP said with regard to getting back into coaching again? I'm not saying he doesn't want to, and most sportwriters and talking heads seem to think he does want to coach again. But, this article seems to only imply that coaches do find work after run-ins with the NCAA as CBP has done with ESPN. I think it'd be great if they took him out of the studio and let him be the color analyst at games they broadcast. If they did that, maybe he'd rather stay out of coaching? Just asking, not predicting.

One more thing about this article: On the one hand you have a guy like Lopes who continued to violate the same rule with phone calls everywhere he coached. And, yes, I think it was a silly rule, and glad the NCAA dropped it, but they kept telling him to cut it out, and he didn't. On the other hand, you have Cohane who got slapped for watching his recruits play a pick up game and then the NCAA threatens his player's with a loss of scholarships if they don't blow the whistle. Really, NCAA? So, in the end, if an AD, who is desperate to build a basketball program and is wanting to hire a coach whom the NCAA has put under a "show cause", will he/she really care about a coach's troubles with the NCAA?

westknoxrepub writes:

in response to voloffaith:

Amazing so many willing/so desperate to take a roll of the dice with a coach with major baggage. No one seems to care what a joke the university would be for hiring a liar who did it more than once. Yes, we all,for the most part, have lied at one point or another in our lives. To those who haven't might hat is off to you. Many on here are implying win at all cost as their mantra. I liked Coach Pearl until he burnt his own bridge and didn't admit it til he got caught. BBQ, lying to nC2a, telling a parent to mislead the nC2a. Just too much baggage....best wishes wherever he lands except when he plays the Vols. Hope he has learned his lesson.

He lied about a hamburger. . .meanwhile Jim Calhoun got to retire and Calapari is still coaching. UT screwed up that situation then hired a guy with no proven record. Pearl is a guarenteed winner here, and if we let him go to another program and take them to championships, while we sit here with mediocre coaches who don't deserve the positions they hold then we just dont' care about men's basketball.

jt45 writes:

in response to CrankE:

I have not yet ridden the "Bring Back Bruce" bandwagon. For a couple of reasons, but primarily for this; The #1 priority for UTAD is to Get Football Healthy. Until and unless this happens, nothing else matters. Not one dime for another buyout until they get football rolling.

Martin may be a good guy, but he has not accomplished enough to get anybody at UT fully sold on him and thus put an end the Bring Back Bruce talk. If he doesn't do it next year, then he just might get thrown under the wheels of the Pearl bandwagon and that would be a bad deal all the way around.

If UT rehires Pearl, then we'll have a perpetual target on our back with the NCAA even if everything is spotless and clean. Especially so if Pearl comes in and has success at UT as we all know and expect that he would. This might not be the case if someone else hires him. I love Bruce. He did great stuff at UT, he made us proud, and he might be capable of doing it again. But what if he is rehired at UT, but flounders? Then he'll have to be dismissed and UT loses face for having been fooled twice. It's just too much risk for UT.

In the USSR, when a political prisoner was exiled, he was sent to a remote province, not allowed to return to his home, and lived at the mercy of The Party. In the eyes of The Party, There was no rehabilitation of politicals. Period. So it was rare that the exiled political could find work in his profession or even much help from anyone. The Party would come down on those who associate with or provide aid to politicals. The NCAA's show cause penalty is little different than what Exile was in the USSR.

Except Basketball is just a game, not Communism
USSR=Bad Example

John_10065 writes:

I am not suprised to see some of the posters here talking about bring back Pearl.

There's never a peep from any of them when the program is winning under Martin then they show up like carrion beetles picking over a dead corpse after a disappointing end of the season.

Overall it hasn't been a bad couple of years considering the circumstances. You guys sound like whiny UK fans when they aren't in the final 4 every year.

voloffaith writes:

in response to westknoxrepub:

He lied about a hamburger. . .meanwhile Jim Calhoun got to retire and Calapari is still coaching. UT screwed up that situation then hired a guy with no proven record. Pearl is a guarenteed winner here, and if we let him go to another program and take them to championships, while we sit here with mediocre coaches who don't deserve the positions they hold then we just dont' care about men's basketball.

AHEM...LIED PERIOD..ahem coach Pearl is this a picture of your house? Not sure.....told parent what to say to nC2a....still dropped in on a recruit at a practice knowing that was an oops......evidently told his coaches what to say as "the Three Musketeers." Society so willing to turn the head about as many times as possible as long our coach wins regardless of his/her past. Not disputing the nC2a's inconsisitencies with the aforementioned coaches at UCON and katland. Just saying too much of a risk for UT to bring in someone with a target on his back and the Nc2A police drooling at the opportunity to stirke a death penalty like they did to SMU in the 70's. Time to move and support what we have and hope it gets better with a fully healthy Maymon and newbies on board with Stokes if he stays.

underthehill writes:

in response to westknoxrepub:

If we're smart after Cuonzo fails against next year, we hire Bruce back since he's proven he can win here. Otherwise we're stuck with another bargain basement coach who will continue the legacy of such great Tennessee Coaches as Buzz Peterson and Wade Houston.

We're smart..you're not..we'll wait until after next year and see how far the Vols go in the NCAA..Bruce will make someone else a good coach..Martin will make his own legacy and continue the legacy of no one else..Martin ain't the kind to give up..I ain't giving up on him..

BigBadVol writes:

in response to westknoxrepub:

If we're smart after Cuonzo fails against next year, we hire Bruce back since he's proven he can win here. Otherwise we're stuck with another bargain basement coach who will continue the legacy of such great Tennessee Coaches as Buzz Peterson and Wade Houston.

I agree with this assessment. But the question is how will CCM do next year? He will have a solid team with some talent. I believe CBP would jump at the opportunity to coach at TN again. He has shown he loves this university and I think he would like to make amends for the trouble he put UT in earlier. Who knows for sure?

budd#207344 writes:

in response to voloffaith:

Amazing so many willing/so desperate to take a roll of the dice with a coach with major baggage. No one seems to care what a joke the university would be for hiring a liar who did it more than once. Yes, we all,for the most part, have lied at one point or another in our lives. To those who haven't might hat is off to you. Many on here are implying win at all cost as their mantra. I liked Coach Pearl until he burnt his own bridge and didn't admit it til he got caught. BBQ, lying to nC2a, telling a parent to mislead the nC2a. Just too much baggage....best wishes wherever he lands except when he plays the Vols. Hope he has learned his lesson.

I find your screen name and your comments interesting. What about the died for our sins and forgiveness stuff?

voloffaith writes:

in response to budd#207344:

I find your screen name and your comments interesting. What about the died for our sins and forgiveness stuff?

Stating from the world view(non Biblical) with respect to baggage. From Spiritual the door is never closed to confession and repentance with the forgiveness followingas long as breath is in the body and the heart is willing to do so.I ,sir am ,gladly, not the final judge of the thoughts and intentions of the heart of man.

tractoronthepole writes:

Pearl is the J.R. of College Basketball love him or hate him he knows how to win. No current or former coach in the SEC has more charisma than he does.

I have heard from a former University ________ that the University legal counsel provided terrible advice or lack thereof. Generally a good attorney like those of the previous administration know and prep their clients prior to speaking to their accusers. Mike Hamilton's administration failed us in many ways that will never be discussed in any media outlet.

Bring the Pearl back!

madrigal writes:

Compared to other coaches, what Pearl did was small potatoes. All those who want to crucify him should look at a few other coaches and what some of them are likely still getting away with. The National Collegiate Athletic Micromanagement Association has only one real interest, and that is in maintaining its own existence, therefore they must have some micro-restrictions to enforce. They won't go after the big money programs unless those programs do something so egregious that it gets out in the open, hence the bringdown of UConn while UNC goes rolling along.

Of course, if UT wanted to make a change now, Tubby Smith is available. Wonder where he will wind up?

MR_VOL writes:

I live in the world of reality and by living in reality, many decisions are made under the consideration of one rule, being “the golden rule.” For those of you who do not know or understand what the “golden rule” is, basically, the person who has the gold [money] makes the rules.

With the above said, the donors will have input as to Bruce being hired [or not]. With UT needing money, the continued fan support for Bruce, and Martin’s performance to this point, I am certain UT will deeply consider this situation.

I, for one, am more than willing to “donate to the cause”!

dmills writes:

in response to Ayres_Hall:

Bruce Pearl is a dirt bag. First, he snitched on others, then when he cheated he asked parents to lie (cover-up) along with him to the NCAA.

Is that who you want leading your team?

No, Bruce Pearl will be hired by a very desperate school and he will swing and miss, again.

Bruce Pearl is the best thing that has happen to Tennessee basketball. David Hart should have him out to dinner this week and already starting negotiations with his agent. As you know if your a UT fan everything that UT does is blew up. He has not done anything different then any other coach in the nation.
Also Bruch Pearl took UT to the NCAA tournament every year that he was here. Coach Martin has been to the NIT twice. I think that Tennessee messed up with letting Pearl go. If we would have stuck with him we would still be in the same boat that we are with Martin. We would be going no where but we would have a reason for it.

CoverOrange writes:

If BP is hired at a major college anywhere he would be the first show-caused BB HC to return to a major college position. A show cause pretty much quashes a HC career under NCAA auspices. And I can't see BP taking a job as an asst.

CrankE writes:

in response to jt45:

Except Basketball is just a game, not Communism
USSR=Bad Example

Except basketball wasn't the subject of the comparison.

NCAA=USSR.

CoverOrange writes:

in response to TheViper:

I've been telling people that for over a year now, they say no way, well Tony quit his job, Bruce will be able to coach August 2014 and he will be I think replacing Martin, I think that was the deal all lone, the wheels are already in motion and the one's knocking the ideal of this happening you will be right there cheering him and the team on. If you chose not keep your seats someone else will gladly take them.

Does it make sense that Jones would quit a year and a half before Pearl could come back? What's he going to do for next 17 months?

notorange writes:

in response to John_10065:

I am not suprised to see some of the posters here talking about bring back Pearl.

There's never a peep from any of them when the program is winning under Martin then they show up like carrion beetles picking over a dead corpse after a disappointing end of the season.

Overall it hasn't been a bad couple of years considering the circumstances. You guys sound like whiny UK fans when they aren't in the final 4 every year.

And sound like Vol fans when we don't win 12 games in football every year

FWBVol writes:

If Bruce Pearl had done the same things at Kentucky or Florida he did at UT and either of those schools brought him back the fans crying for his return here would be mocking the Gators and the Wildcats for bringing back a cheat.

The fact is Pearl cheated and lied about a BBQ and for some reason that seems a little questionable unless he was trying to cover up something much bigger. If he had come clean about the photo at the kids being at the BBQ the NCAA would have slapped him on the wrist with a secondary violation and the whole thing would be over with and he would still be the UT coach.

ktownorange32 writes:

Just my opinion, as we are all just ghost opinions.... To the people saying it's too much of a risk and we would have such a huge target on our back.... CBP took the biggest punishment and public embarrassment that the NCAA gives out since SMU. You're right that the NCAA would probably be breathing down our necks, but I truly believe he has been humbled enough through this process that he will run a tight clean ship. And this thought goes for whoever gets him as a coach, Tenn or otherwise

mocsandvolsfan writes:

Who's this Bruce Pearl guy? You don't have to have the NCAA against you to be fired at UT. Just let a few fans stir it up on KNS or ESPdarN.

FanNotSheep writes:

The NCAA is a crooked organization, top to bottom. Just think, what would a player do if given the choice of incriminating his coach or losing his scholarship? And look at the fiasco with the Miami investigation.

I just love it when idiots first rake Pearl over the coals for turning in cheaters, then for breaking an obscure rule! Which is it? Don't cheat or protect cheaters? Oh that's right, you hate Pearl no matter what. The only thing that he did wrong was lying, which I believe was because he knew that breaking a rule -- even one so stupid it's no longer a rule -- would give the press all the ammo they have looked for his whole career.

But you know you can't fix stupid, either stupid posters or stupid NCAA bureaucrats so I won't try. What I will do is repeat what I've said all along: Pearl is the best coach we EVER had, bar none. I don't care if Martin had the Vols in the Sweet 16 today and they'd upset a number 1 seed by 20 points to get there -- if Bruce Pearl would come back to coach Tennessee it would be the best thing that's happened to the university since … the first time he came here to coach.

Snapshot writes:

in response to voloffaith:

"Snatch the PEARL from my hand grasshopper and you will be ready..."

Ready for what? Baggage is too much for Division one team. Yes , I can see our former coach in someone's living room talking to mom and dad and the question comes up about his past. Yes, he can say I've learned that honesty is the best policy even when it hurts. Or, he can say that won't happen again and I'll protect your son to play ball and get a degree. Trust factor will be hard to establish as opponents will use it against him wherever he may land.

I think if Rick Pitino can survive after what he done, Bruce could be OK after lying about having a junior at his bbq.

FanNotSheep writes:

in response to FWBVol:

If Bruce Pearl had done the same things at Kentucky or Florida he did at UT and either of those schools brought him back the fans crying for his return here would be mocking the Gators and the Wildcats for bringing back a cheat.

The fact is Pearl cheated and lied about a BBQ and for some reason that seems a little questionable unless he was trying to cover up something much bigger. If he had come clean about the photo at the kids being at the BBQ the NCAA would have slapped him on the wrist with a secondary violation and the whole thing would be over with and he would still be the UT coach.

Once more for those not paying attention: The rule against having a high school junior at Pearl's house was a minor infraction. In fact, having daylight shine on it resulted in the NCAA rightfully admitting it was a stupid rule and -- guess what -- it no longer is one.

Pearl lied because he has been blackballed his whole career for turning in Illinois for some actual real rules they broke a long time ago. Just like Fulmer turned in Alabama. But Pearl wasn't a national championship winning head football coach, he was a Jewish assistant basketball coach who committed the unpardonable sin against the holy Big 10.

That's why he lied. It was not a big cover-up or believe me, the press would have found it. In fact it proved UT was almost squeaky clean or the charges would still be piling up. Your reference to Kentucky is so funny! They've been laughing at us not because we hired a cheater but because we got scared and fired the only coach they'd been scared of in 25 years.

miketn6 writes:

in response to westknoxrepub:

If we're smart after Cuonzo fails against next year, we hire Bruce back since he's proven he can win here. Otherwise we're stuck with another bargain basement coach who will continue the legacy of such great Tennessee Coaches as Buzz Peterson and Wade Houston.

You seem to have a running beef with Martin, and I can only speculate why.

For the record, Pearl's SEC winning % his last 3 years as coash was 60.4%. Pearl's SEC winning % as coash his last 2 years was 59.4%. Martin's SEC winning % is 61.8%.

Martin will be fine. Next year is the break out year. Get used to it.

Snapshot writes:

in response to Ayres_Hall:

Bruce Pearl is a dirt bag. First, he snitched on others, then when he cheated he asked parents to lie (cover-up) along with him to the NCAA.

Is that who you want leading your team?

No, Bruce Pearl will be hired by a very desperate school and he will swing and miss, again.

So you think turning in another coach for cheating is being a "snitch"? That means the Ohio St. coach is dirt bag and a snitch, right? By the way he is!

Did you feel the same way about Phil Fulmer when he "snitched" on Bama? Same thing.

Everyone deserves a second chance, whether you think so or not.

PW403 writes:

Bruce Pearl back to the BIG 10 @ Minnesota!!

TheViper writes:

in response to miketn6:

You seem to have a running beef with Martin, and I can only speculate why.

For the record, Pearl's SEC winning % his last 3 years as coash was 60.4%. Pearl's SEC winning % as coash his last 2 years was 59.4%. Martin's SEC winning % is 61.8%.

Martin will be fine. Next year is the break out year. Get used to it.

Miketn6 you seem to know it all, do you want to put a little wager on it next year, Tennessee won't make the dance, but you are right about one thing next year is the break out year for Martin from the sideline to the street.........Get use to it. And since you like to speculate I'll go ahead and say it has nothing to do with race because that's what you're getting at, it's all about coaching and leadership. I mean hell Martin was just crying about getting left out of the dance and got waxed by a nobody in the first round of the NIT on his home court, Now there's some stuff you can speculate on.

tulelakevol writes:

Good comments everyone. Here's mine: I still love Bruce Pearl, and what he did for UT basketball. Before he got here, we stunk, period. As for CCM, he is a good man, but I don't think he is a great basketball coach. Look at Dana Altman at Oregon, how he has that team playing, or Larranga at Miami. That is coaching boys. I feel we have the horses to compete and win, even showed a little of it towards the end of the season, but the wheels and focus came off, and see were it ended up. I think that is on Martin to a great extent, letting the players feel sorry for theirselves and not competing.

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