Bowl is still Vols' goal, but Butch Jones says it's not only measure of season's progress

No. 1 goal is creating 'culture'

A bowl is still the goal for this bumpy 2013 season, but as Tennessee’s margin for error continues to shrink, coach Butch Jones said the postseason is not the only measure by which he will define his first season.

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psychovol2 writes:

I'm a CBJ fan but this sounds like transparent backpedaling to me. He's done really well with damage control by announcing recruiting commits after losses, but no amount of damage control will console most fans after a loss to Vandy or KY. James Franklin's success at a perennial loser like Vandy has really put the exclamation point on that one.

underthehill writes:

Have to agree w/Jones on this one..hope to win the last 2 but if it does not happen..the season if as good or better than predicted..most predictions did not include a win over S Car. ..the recruiting is going better than could reasonably be expected..former players are on board and wanting to help the program..as I see it..the season should be considered a success with a win over Ky..a win over Vandy would be icing on the cake..

utfans#211352 writes:

in response to psychovol2:

I'm a CBJ fan but this sounds like transparent backpedaling to me. He's done really well with damage control by announcing recruiting commits after losses, but no amount of damage control will console most fans after a loss to Vandy or KY. James Franklin's success at a perennial loser like Vandy has really put the exclamation point on that one.

Totally agree, I will never buy into losing to Vandy ever being ok. I just want to see us go out and play like we are Tennessee. With everything I still don't think Vandy is more talented, just more confident. If we don't think we can beat Vandy we have not accomplished anything. Vandy is not Alabama.

UTANDNOBAMA writes:

Hey coach.... A Vandy win lasts a week... A Vandy Loss lasts forever. Remember that!

ut_man1#1427524 writes:

Coach Jones just preparing everyone for another blow out loss! Maybe we can finish 5-7, very disappointed in the teams effort on defense last three games!

UTANDNOBAMA writes:

in response to underthehill:

Have to agree w/Jones on this one..hope to win the last 2 but if it does not happen..the season if as good or better than predicted..most predictions did not include a win over S Car. ..the recruiting is going better than could reasonably be expected..former players are on board and wanting to help the program..as I see it..the season should be considered a success with a win over Ky..a win over Vandy would be icing on the cake..

A win over Vandy... Would be icing on the cake? What cake? Please don't ever say that out loud. If we can't get our useless rear-ends up to beat Vandy at home then we don't deserve the icing...or the cake... Or those Orange Jerseys!

TommyJack writes:

Agree with Butch. But a loss to Vandy will doom this season as lost.

atnvol#283282 writes:

in response to ut_man1#1427524:

Coach Jones just preparing everyone for another blow out loss! Maybe we can finish 5-7, very disappointed in the teams effort on defense last three games!

I do not agree with that statement. I am hard to convince about alot of things in life(semi-pessimistic), but I believe that the Vols will find a way to win. Vandy is very ordinary and they have greatly benefited from the timing of their schedule(see FL). We WILL play with them and if we get a favorable break or two we will win. If we can beat SC we sure as heck can beat Vandy....that screwy shaped ball does have odd bounces.

oldster writes:

in response to psychovol2:

I'm a CBJ fan but this sounds like transparent backpedaling to me. He's done really well with damage control by announcing recruiting commits after losses, but no amount of damage control will console most fans after a loss to Vandy or KY. James Franklin's success at a perennial loser like Vandy has really put the exclamation point on that one.

My thoughts exactly. He is preparing us for the loss and since he has always seemed like an "all in" kind of coach, I cannot help but think that he sees what I see - a team that has come to accept losing.

fannotsheep writes:

Wish Jones would wait until the game is over to try to spin a losing season into some kind of positive. As for a win over Vandy being worthless or automatic, well -- you aren't paying attention. How long has it been since we beat GA and FL in the same season?

Franklin has changed the game at Vandy. And if you look at the success Stanford has been having, why not? Sure, the SEC is tougher than the PAC however many teams they have now, but the Vols can't seem to beat anyone in either conference lately.

I will consider a win over Vanderbilt as huge for this team, and a win over Kentucky as great, because UT needs to get to a bowl, extend its season, get more practice time, get some better talent in here, and finally start turning this 6-year train wreck around.

gc_scvol writes:

in response to oldster:

My thoughts exactly. He is preparing us for the loss and since he has always seemed like an "all in" kind of coach, I cannot help but think that he sees what I see - a team that has come to accept losing.

Pay no attemtion to the one called OLDSTER. He goes from one article to another babbling about a losing attitude. His is certainly showing up recently. Losing attitude in life..losing attitude in VOL LAND. See a pattern developing here.

gc_scvol writes:

in response to atnvol#283282:

I do not agree with that statement. I am hard to convince about alot of things in life(semi-pessimistic), but I believe that the Vols will find a way to win. Vandy is very ordinary and they have greatly benefited from the timing of their schedule(see FL). We WILL play with them and if we get a favorable break or two we will win. If we can beat SC we sure as heck can beat Vandy....that screwy shaped ball does have odd bounces.

Agree Totally.

grumpyman writes:

I see very little effort on defense by this Tn. team.

GerryOP writes:

Whatever happens against Vandy and 'Tucky is almost irrelevant. Butch has his work cut out for him next year and he should start working on that ... right now.

fannotsheep writes:

in response to GerryOP:

Whatever happens against Vandy and 'Tucky is almost irrelevant. Butch has his work cut out for him next year and he should start working on that ... right now.

Have to disagree. Mostly because football players and coaches are competitors, and the best ones hate to lose. Tennessee needs to stop losing, especially at home to teams they are capable of beating.

Other than to stop the cycle of losing, extending the season will help Jones and his staff install more or their brand of football into the young players. A bowl win would be really nice because then you'd have a winning season. Therefore the fans would have more reason to be hopeful, and above all, patient.

bUTch__please writes:

in response to fannotsheep:

Have to disagree. Mostly because football players and coaches are competitors, and the best ones hate to lose. Tennessee needs to stop losing, especially at home to teams they are capable of beating.

Other than to stop the cycle of losing, extending the season will help Jones and his staff install more or their brand of football into the young players. A bowl win would be really nice because then you'd have a winning season. Therefore the fans would have more reason to be hopeful, and above all, patient.

+1

Listening to Coach Jones' presser, he is working on next year now and working to maximize this year as well. One telling comment he made is will this years' Freshmen come back next year as "one-year improved or just one-year older?" Looking at how many Freshman made large contributions to this years team, Coach Jones and his staff are effective in getting an incoming class on the field.

By continuing to drive this season by beating Vandy and going to a bowl, this lays 4 more weeks of practice on this Freshman foundation. Then bringing in a 30 member recruiting class gives Coach Jones 55 of "his" guys on the roster next August. A big swing in culture can occur in the next 10 months and Coach Jones knows it.

GerryOP writes:

in response to fannotsheep:

Have to disagree. Mostly because football players and coaches are competitors, and the best ones hate to lose. Tennessee needs to stop losing, especially at home to teams they are capable of beating.

Other than to stop the cycle of losing, extending the season will help Jones and his staff install more or their brand of football into the young players. A bowl win would be really nice because then you'd have a winning season. Therefore the fans would have more reason to be hopeful, and above all, patient.

I guess that you were one of the guys who said before the season started that you would be happy/content with a 6-6 season? I'm not. I'm not blaming nor hating toward anyone, but expected more this year ... and I bet that Butch and his staff also expected more. From my point of view, it seems that the team regressed downward from the UGa and USC games. They actually looked worse then any time last year. A blow out loss to Vandy and/or 'Tucky would not be good.

'nuf said. Time for Butch to stop spinning and stop selling. He has a big job ahead of him. I'm not sure that this year proved anything ... except that maybe the hole left by Hamilton, Fulmer, and Kiffin is much deeper than we thought it was.

fannotsheep writes:

in response to GerryOP:

I guess that you were one of the guys who said before the season started that you would be happy/content with a 6-6 season? I'm not. I'm not blaming nor hating toward anyone, but expected more this year ... and I bet that Butch and his staff also expected more. From my point of view, it seems that the team regressed downward from the UGa and USC games. They actually looked worse then any time last year. A blow out loss to Vandy and/or 'Tucky would not be good.

'nuf said. Time for Butch to stop spinning and stop selling. He has a big job ahead of him. I'm not sure that this year proved anything ... except that maybe the hole left by Hamilton, Fulmer, and Kiffin is much deeper than we thought it was.

No, I predicted we would be 6-6 but didn't say I'd be happy with it. Just not realistic to expect much more when you play the toughest schedule in the nation, and who knew Auburn would be so good? And I knew exactly how deep the hole was. That's why I defended Dooley too long. Enough with the revolving door already!

And I agree totally that Jones is in spin mode. But really, I can't blame him. There's an excellent chance Vanderbilt beats us. They beat Florida after all, and Florida beat us pretty soundly. But Tennessee needs to put together another complete game -- be more like the team that beat Spurrier and South Carolina -- and should have beaten Georgia. Fans are tired of losing, and while most won't turn on Jones after one year, you saw what happened with Dooley. If Jones is gone in two or three years, who knows how deep that hole will be?

rockypop writes:

Getting to a bowl should have never been a stated priority w/Jones in the first place if he really believes his "one brick at a time" process. Frankly, I think he's a good coach and will ultimately turn UT into a winning program again, but I'm sick and tired of all the cliches and "coach speak" that have become all too commonplace w/him.

The truth is that he and his staff have had some quality talent and have not maximized their potential yet. Perhaps, it's too much to expect dramatic results given the fact that this is his first year following a major meltdown of the previous coaching staffs. But, in the absence of winning, fans want to see improvement - not just occasional but consistent. That hasn't happened this year, especially on defense where the biggest turnaround was expected, and on the offensive line.

But, there's great reason for hope in 2015. By then, Jones should have his players in place and experienced enough to meet any challenge they face. His MO has been to build winners everywhere he's been, and there's no reason yet to think he won't do it at UT.

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