John Adams: Vanderbilt coaching teams up and putting UT down

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Vanderbilt's Marqu'es Webb (22) smiles into the crowd in the final seconds of the game against Tennessee at Vanderbilt's Memorial Gymnasium on Sunday, January 12, 2014. Vanderbilt won 74-63. 
  
 (SAUL YOUNG/NEWS SENTINEL)

Photo by Saul Young, 2014 Knoxville News Sentinel

Vanderbilt's Marqu'es Webb (22) smiles into the crowd in the final seconds of the game against Tennessee at Vanderbilt's Memorial Gymnasium on Sunday, January 12, 2014. Vanderbilt won 74-63. (SAUL YOUNG/NEWS SENTINEL)

More than women’s basketball rankings will be on the line when Tennessee plays Vanderbilt on Monday night at Thompson-Boling Arena.

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MichaelL writes:

These Lady Vols are no longer in the lofty limelight of the Pat Summitt glory days. They are just another good team, among many. Not Final Four quality, though. Nobody fears Tennessee anymore. I see nothing over there that makes me think that they will return to those glory days in the foreseeable future.

underthehill writes:

I expect the Lady Vols to be ready to play their best and win..

johnlg00 writes:

Truth hurts. Until they lost Franklin, Vandy arguably had the best coaches in the SEC as a group in the three sports mentioned. If the acid test of coaching is to do more with less, Vandy's bunch have been right up there. Of course, they have had some pretty good talent at times, too, though it is probably safe to say that UT had higher-rated recruiting classes in each sport for each of the last however many years one cares to go back, or certainly most of them.

The point is that in each case, the coaches seemed to start by correctly evaluating the players they had, devising schemes in which they could excel, and then holding them to a high standard of execution and consistency. Seems pretty simple when you spell it out that way. The devil is in the details, of course, but again, it is said that one aspect of genius is the capacity to take infinite pains, to account for every possible detail. The players don't necessarily need to know every detail, but they have to trust that their coaches do, and that they will be properly instructed in the ones they DO need to know.

It seems that both CHW and CCM were both perhaps too deeply impressed by their illustrious mentors. Somehow, they seem to have developed the notion that they had been taught THE way to play basketball, and all that was necessary for success was to keep doing the things they learned twenty or more years ago from "legends of the game". (I do of course use that term somewhat more hesitantly for Martin's mentor, Gene Keady, than I do for the truly legendary Pat.) The trouble with this is that the creativity of the individual is stifled and innovation is short-circuited. Interestingly enough in the current context is that Kevin Stallings is a branch off the Keady coaching tree, the same as Martin, but he doesn't seem to be as handicapped by that influence as Martin does. Of course, he has been at it a lot longer, too.

I think both Martin and Warlick have learned a lot this year, though they may not have always enjoyed the lessons. The burning question of the moment is, have they learned enough, soon enough? We'll see how far that process continues and how it is transmitted to the teams as the season progresses. I just hope they have not become "too late wise".

gc_scvol writes:

in response to MichaelL:

These Lady Vols are no longer in the lofty limelight of the Pat Summitt glory days. They are just another good team, among many. Not Final Four quality, though. Nobody fears Tennessee anymore. I see nothing over there that makes me think that they will return to those glory days in the foreseeable future.

Over there seems that the post may be coming from Nash. So, the content seems to be the Peabody slant on the situation. Go figure

underthehill writes:

in response to johnlg00:

Truth hurts. Until they lost Franklin, Vandy arguably had the best coaches in the SEC as a group in the three sports mentioned. If the acid test of coaching is to do more with less, Vandy's bunch have been right up there. Of course, they have had some pretty good talent at times, too, though it is probably safe to say that UT had higher-rated recruiting classes in each sport for each of the last however many years one cares to go back, or certainly most of them.

The point is that in each case, the coaches seemed to start by correctly evaluating the players they had, devising schemes in which they could excel, and then holding them to a high standard of execution and consistency. Seems pretty simple when you spell it out that way. The devil is in the details, of course, but again, it is said that one aspect of genius is the capacity to take infinite pains, to account for every possible detail. The players don't necessarily need to know every detail, but they have to trust that their coaches do, and that they will be properly instructed in the ones they DO need to know.

It seems that both CHW and CCM were both perhaps too deeply impressed by their illustrious mentors. Somehow, they seem to have developed the notion that they had been taught THE way to play basketball, and all that was necessary for success was to keep doing the things they learned twenty or more years ago from "legends of the game". (I do of course use that term somewhat more hesitantly for Martin's mentor, Gene Keady, than I do for the truly legendary Pat.) The trouble with this is that the creativity of the individual is stifled and innovation is short-circuited. Interestingly enough in the current context is that Kevin Stallings is a branch off the Keady coaching tree, the same as Martin, but he doesn't seem to be as handicapped by that influence as Martin does. Of course, he has been at it a lot longer, too.

I think both Martin and Warlick have learned a lot this year, though they may not have always enjoyed the lessons. The burning question of the moment is, have they learned enough, soon enough? We'll see how far that process continues and how it is transmitted to the teams as the season progresses. I just hope they have not become "too late wise".

Stallings may have played for Keady..but you would never know it by the way he coaches..he is among the best in the game today..how he can do what he has done with his team this year is amazing..I got sick watching a team with so little talent beat the Vols and they didn't seem to know they were losing until about 10 min left in the game..I watched the Ark-Vandy game and studied the defense Vandy used..it was mostly a 2 1 2 zone..with some variations..Ark was one point down when a 20% shooter hit a 3 with about 4 sec left to win..Stallings may not be coach of the year again in the SEC..but he should be..I think he was when his team beat Ky to win the SEC tourn the year Ky won it all..the Vols may still make the big show and even if they don't ..I think Martin may get another year..I don't think UT wants to do another buyout unless attendance dictates they do so..and that does not appear to be the case..I am probably more impressed with the work Holly and her staff are doing than most..they seem to me to be working hard to get several defensive alignments ready to use as game situations demand..Russell has to be on the floor more and more as it gets closer to tourn time..and you have to run zone to keep her close to the basket..the overall team speed of the Lady Vols does not match most opponents and the zone helps offset it..I think how they defend the Vandy guards tonight will be interesting ..using Jones or Carter at the point of the zone seems to be the best option..we'll see..I do think the Lady Vols will win this game..

OrangePride writes:

Before we come to the conclusion Vandy has the "good coaches" and we are just simply behind, let's see what this week and next November brings. Lady Vols WILL handle business tonight and the men WILL handle business in their game. In football, yes Dooley was way behind Franklin. But Franklin was darned fortunate to get out of Neyland with the W last year against Jones and he knows it. Next year's team will be out of gas and he saw it coming so he got out of Dodge. I for one think Franklin was not nearly as good as folks make him out to be. And next year, I think Tennessee gets back on track in this series. I'm also interested to see if Serrano has a competitive team this year. Its his 3rd season and results should begin to appear THIS year! We'll see if Vandy continues to dominate here.

johnlg00 writes:

in response to underthehill:

Stallings may have played for Keady..but you would never know it by the way he coaches..he is among the best in the game today..how he can do what he has done with his team this year is amazing..I got sick watching a team with so little talent beat the Vols and they didn't seem to know they were losing until about 10 min left in the game..I watched the Ark-Vandy game and studied the defense Vandy used..it was mostly a 2 1 2 zone..with some variations..Ark was one point down when a 20% shooter hit a 3 with about 4 sec left to win..Stallings may not be coach of the year again in the SEC..but he should be..I think he was when his team beat Ky to win the SEC tourn the year Ky won it all..the Vols may still make the big show and even if they don't ..I think Martin may get another year..I don't think UT wants to do another buyout unless attendance dictates they do so..and that does not appear to be the case..I am probably more impressed with the work Holly and her staff are doing than most..they seem to me to be working hard to get several defensive alignments ready to use as game situations demand..Russell has to be on the floor more and more as it gets closer to tourn time..and you have to run zone to keep her close to the basket..the overall team speed of the Lady Vols does not match most opponents and the zone helps offset it..I think how they defend the Vandy guards tonight will be interesting ..using Jones or Carter at the point of the zone seems to be the best option..we'll see..I do think the Lady Vols will win this game..

How ironic is it that, after all of us on here have been knocking Holly for not using more zone and such, the LVs shut down the Lady 'Dores with some of the best man-to-man defense we have ever seen out of them? Maybe Holly and staff really DO have some notion of what they are trying to do. Who knew?

As for Stallings, as I said on another thread, he has WAY more coaching experience than Martin and has thus had much more exposure to the possible limitations of the total Keady system. It is very easy to see the attraction of a system that demands effort and accountability ALMOST over all. Any team that consistently plays with more effort is going to have a better chance to win than one that comparatively just goes through the motions.

However, while effort and execution are NECESSARY conditions for success, those qualities are not SUFFICIENT in themselves. That is where the flexibility in METHODS comes in. Yes, you want your team to be physically tougher than the other team, but there are limits to just HOW physical you can be, so you have to create ways to make the opponents MENTALLY and EMOTIONALLY unsettled by, for example, varying the defenses and pace of play you use. I think Martin is starting to learn that, and the Vols will have an excellent chance tonight to show how far they have come in that way.

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