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in response to GerryOP: OK Tyler, this may be your last chance. Study hard, work hard, and go forth and do well. Wasn't it Jim Chaney that made Jon Crompton's senior year memorable? I wonder why Chaney could not perform the same "magic" with Bray?
in response to GerryOP:
OK Tyler, this may be your last chance. Study hard, work hard, and go forth and do well.
Wasn't it Jim Chaney that made Jon Crompton's senior year memorable? I wonder why Chaney could not perform the same "magic" with Bray?
Kiffin called the plays and coached the position Crompton's senior year.
You're obviously still too much in shock that Dooley's Five Year Plan had the plugged pulled on it to post coherently.
“I made a lot of mistakes at Tennessee, a lot of off-the-field issues,” Bray confided, “and that had a lot to do with it.”
The biggest off field issue for Bray and any other player associated with this program last season was the man with the fancy hair cut, orange pants, and headset on the side lines.
Dooley was one of the biggest mistakes in Vol history. Bray had first round talent and free agent coaching.
in response to emailnodata: Yeah, SEC...why did you not politely decline the NIT?? a quiet, firm rebuke to the Selection Committee process. as it is now, it simply looks as though the SEC agrees with the Selection committee as it meekly accepts the NIT bids.
in response to emailnodata:
Yeah, SEC...why did you not politely decline the NIT??
a quiet, firm rebuke to the Selection Committee process.
as it is now, it simply looks as though the SEC agrees with the Selection committee as it meekly accepts the NIT bids.
You are apparently under the misguided notion that the SEC or UT cares about symbolism or moral victories.
The only symbol they care about is green(as in money) and an NIT appearance and more television time will put more in their coffers.
in response to SevenT: Tennessee has the opportunity to beat Kentucky 1 out of 10 times they play. Too bad the win is wasted because this horrible program will not even make the NIT. A couple of years ago they were interesting because Pearl brought in thugs and cheated to get recruits, but that is not history. Just Saying
in response to SevenT:
Tennessee has the opportunity to beat Kentucky 1 out of 10 times they play. Too bad the win is wasted because this horrible program will not even make the NIT. A couple of years ago they were interesting because Pearl brought in thugs and cheated to get recruits, but that is not history.
Just Saying
Do you think your boys in blue stay in the top 25 after this drubbing?
How does this help your RPI rankings, losing to such a horrible program?
Now GTFO and try to wrap your head around losing to the Vols by 30.
Just sayin'.
I hope the role reversal between Jancek and Martinez works out better than when they were at Georgia.
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Cheek will never admit his mistake in standing behind Bruce for four months when the NCAA mess started, then cutting his throat just before the NCAA tournament.
UT should have told the NCAA what to do with their show-cause and stood by him like the original plan.
I like the idea of Bruce coming back but it will NEVER happen.
The moral to this post is that Martin is definitely not the answer.
He has lost this team. Indifferent on defense, careless on offense. No heart, no grit, these kids don't care at this point and neither should the fans. I fully expect a losing record and missing the NIT.
Martin should be fired after this season but the UTAD doesn't want yet another buyout on the books.
So, we will get to sit through another year of Martin's brand of boring, uninspired, and plain stupid basketball. We hired a mid major coach with high school results.
Jones seems to be a nice guy and I hope he can sustain enough success to be here 30 years.
This program needs stability and winning in the worst way.
Yesterday was a real kick in the teeth though.
in response to dvols: moron Vol fans!! that cald-well pope dude was hoopin!! TN basketball willl be fine...maybe coach needs to open it up a bit.... let him get his playas!! moron know it all vol fans startin to act like bammers!
in response to dvols:
moron Vol fans!! that cald-well pope dude was hoopin!!
TN basketball willl be fine...maybe coach needs to open it up a bit....
let him get his playas!!
moron know it all vol fans startin to act like bammers!
Get his players?
He recruited most of the team except Hall, McBee, Maymon, and McRae.
We were extremely selective and we will continue to recruit,” Jones said.
Bell, Lawson, Ford, Bellamy, Boyd,and Levenberry were selective as well.
in response to jack4444: Actually this class doesn't mean much. Next year's will. So quit whining and crying. UT fans sure have gotten soft as baby butts.
in response to jack4444:
Actually this class doesn't mean much. Next year's will. So quit whining and crying. UT fans sure have gotten soft as baby butts.
No.
Most Vol fans are just sick of losing and listening to excuses as to why we are losing while shelling out twice the money as other programs and getting half the results.
The soft fans are those, such as yourself, who can't come up with any opinion or thoughts other than "wait til next year".
About the only pluses for Jones in this class were holding onto,Ferguson, Harris, Reeves-Maybin and Carr.
Adding North, Sanders and Dobbs was pretty impressive as well.
Striking out on Bell, Lawson, Ford, Bellamy, Boyd,and Levenberry turned this class into a potential disaster though.
Beyond those guys mentioned earlier, Jones filled this class out with projects and players that had few if any offers from the big boys of the SEC.
And spare me the excuses of a limited time frame and losing seasons. Auburn and Mississippi are sitting pretty tonight with relatively unproven staffs and rough seasons in recent years.
They are just paying a lot less than what the Vols are to Jones and his "best staff in the country". Freeze is making 1.5 million less a season than Jones and Malzahn is making 7000,000 less.
This coaching staff just learned its first of many hard lessons to come regarding coaching in the SEC.
They got their heads handed to them on a platter and it tastes like 11nth in the SEC.
in response to volthrunthru#658770: Ignorant is ignorant. Ill-informed is ill-informed. When these two mate, we see posts like yours. a. Cutcliffe, the OC, quit for Duke, with no good OC's available.b. Fulmer got Clawson w/his Clawfense---which most of you guys thought would be great. Fulmer knew he could adjust the offense so that a Power-T would come out of it, despite some line/QB weaknesses. c. Fulmer was on his way to getting Clawson on the right page, when Hamilton realized that Fulmer was going to win 8 games, and be fired-proof. So Hamilton did what he had done and seen done---fire a coach you want to screw over on Monday of game week---in this case, Homecoming week. The team almost ALWAYS loses, when that is done. Clawson was being criticized, and he laid the blame on the players, thinking he would be given an opportunity to stay, if he could put enough Teflon on himself. Fulmer was righting the ship. But bozos in the fan base, ignoramases and political back-stabbers got him---including Hamilton, it is reported, who supposedly gave a LOT of journalists every detail he could to stick Fulmer---details he covered up, when the same offenses occurred under Kiffen and Dooley---is what is believed by many insiders. Just that simple. Maybe you have trouble with sentences longer than three words. But there it is...
in response to volthrunthru#658770:
Ignorant is ignorant. Ill-informed is ill-informed. When these two mate, we see posts like yours.
a. Cutcliffe, the OC, quit for Duke, with no good OC's available.b. Fulmer got Clawson w/his Clawfense---which most of you guys thought would be great. Fulmer knew he could adjust the offense so that a Power-T would come out of it, despite some line/QB weaknesses.
c. Fulmer was on his way to getting Clawson on the right page, when Hamilton realized that Fulmer was going to win 8 games, and be fired-proof. So Hamilton did what he had done and seen done---fire a coach you want to screw over on Monday of game week---in this case, Homecoming week. The team almost ALWAYS loses, when that is done.
Clawson was being criticized, and he laid the blame on the players, thinking he would be given an opportunity to stay, if he could put enough Teflon on himself.
Fulmer was righting the ship. But bozos in the fan base, ignoramases and political back-stabbers got him---including Hamilton, it is reported, who supposedly gave a LOT of journalists every detail he could to stick Fulmer---details he covered up, when the same offenses occurred under Kiffen and Dooley---is what is believed by many insiders.
Just that simple. Maybe you have trouble with sentences longer than three words. But there it is...
And, to this day, not a single college in the country thinks Fulmer is good enough to be a head coach again.
Just that simple.
I guess this is where we cue up the "coach em up" mantra because Jones sure didn't land enough difference makers today.
Whatever. Hire a mid major coach and get mid major results. It's the Tennessee way.
in response to johnlg00: I don't disagree that the Vols could stand a lot of improvement in all those statistical areas. However, the raw numbers don't mean that much. Pace of play has a strong influence on points per game, rebounds per game, and assists per game. To be fair, I'm sure the Vols would rate low in some of those categories even if they were figured with regard to game pace. The teams they play probably rank low in those statistical categories when they play the Vols.
in response to johnlg00:
I don't disagree that the Vols could stand a lot of improvement in all those statistical areas. However, the raw numbers don't mean that much. Pace of play has a strong influence on points per game, rebounds per game, and assists per game. To be fair, I'm sure the Vols would rate low in some of those categories even if they were figured with regard to game pace. The teams they play probably rank low in those statistical categories when they play the Vols.
Valid point and I agree with you on the pace of play affecting offensive stats.
I think, if anything it would improve those defensive stats I listed somewhat though, particularly scoring defense.
And the turnovers are just appalling given the fact that they are limiting their possessions by holding the ball.
in response to SmokeyPride: How does signing another contract not affect the buyout? What am I missing here?
in response to SmokeyPride:
How does signing another contract not affect the buyout? What am I missing here?
You are missing the fact that Mike Hamilton negotiated that ridiculous contract.
He gets every dime from UT.
in response to vut5686#1405392: I assume everyone adding "likes" to Dooley's career left Harvard, are at the top of their profession and never had a career set-back. Otherwise, seems a lot of bricks are being tossed out of glass houses. Dooley was not successful in the W-L column at UT and a change needed to be made. It was made. Don't recall him kicking anybody's dog, abandoning his loaner Lexus along the road or secretly riding double on his Harley. He is gone; he was not a bad person; he very likely will out succeed most of us, before he is done. He is not our news anymore so we should let it rest.
in response to vut5686#1405392:
I assume everyone adding "likes" to Dooley's career left Harvard, are at the top of their profession and never had a career set-back. Otherwise, seems a lot of bricks are being tossed out of glass houses.
Dooley was not successful in the W-L column at UT and a change needed to be made. It was made. Don't recall him kicking anybody's dog, abandoning his loaner Lexus along the road or secretly riding double on his Harley.
He is gone; he was not a bad person; he very likely will out succeed most of us, before he is done. He is not our news anymore so we should let it rest.
He is an arrogant, egotistical jerk who made a career out of daddy's last name and making life miserable for the support staff in the UTAD.
He chose to neglect his duties last season as head football coach on the recruiting trail.
He openly mocked one player with a career ending injury and another for hygiene issues to the media.
Kicking Smokey and living clean(that we know of) were about the only things this jacka-- didn't do to this school.
in response to tennrich1: Actually it is a lot of missing Maymon...He was GREAT in every catergory you listed...our best rebounder, our best scorer, incredible assist game in the low post....very high shooting percentage(took great shots...so not to be disagree-ably...but those points you listed are EXACTLY why its a "missing Maymon" problem..along with several others of course...
in response to tennrich1:
Actually it is a lot of missing Maymon...He was GREAT in every catergory you listed...our best rebounder, our best scorer, incredible assist game in the low post....very high shooting percentage(took great shots...so not to be disagree-ably...but those points you listed are EXACTLY why its a "missing Maymon" problem..along with several others of course...
So, you are saying Martin and his team can't recover from losing a player who averaged 12 points, 8 rebounds, and 1 assist per game last season?
I am not brimming with confidence in Martin's coaching ability 20 games into his second season and seeing the same mistakes over and over and over again and regression across the board in his players.
What really gets me is that defense and rebounding is supposedly his calling card.
64th in scoring defense nationally.
104th in FG % defense.
341st in steals.
123rd in bpg.
That's some resume for a guy that prides himself on tough defense.
in response to BrassMonkey: Turnovers aren't the only sore spot Martin. This is not a missing Maymon problem, it's coaching. POINTS PER GAME63.9259thOVERALLREBOUNDS PER GAME37.092ndOVERALLASSISTS PER GAME10.4314thOVERALLFIELD GOAL PCT.428196thOVERALL
in response to BrassMonkey:
Turnovers aren't the only sore spot Martin. This is not a missing Maymon problem, it's coaching.
POINTS PER GAME63.9259thOVERALLREBOUNDS PER GAME37.092ndOVERALLASSISTS PER GAME10.4314thOVERALLFIELD GOAL PCT.428196thOVERALL
Glad to see someone else noticing.
This is simply a poorly coached team.
The injuries hurt but these guys are collectively stuck in neutral at best or regressing at worst.
They do nothing particularly well.
in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE: Once in a while you actually say something funny..LMAO!!
in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:
Once in a while you actually say something funny..LMAO!!
Thanks.
in response to movol53: What I've never understood is the fact that the state of Tennessee does not produce many D 1 players each year as per the sports media.Yet other schools come to Tennessee and recruit well. Almost every SEC school has one or two players from Tenn on its roster; Bama has one or two that are seniors or Juniors who have made an impact at Bama. Yes Memphis is closer to the Mississippi schools, Ark, LA, ALA, etc than Knoxville but Jones must start at home in ALL of Tennessee. Tennessee has always recruited well nationally so build with Tennessee boys and get the others nationally. We've got to have those that WANT to play for Tennessee. Look at how many 4 and 5 stars actually make it to the NFL and look at the number of 3 stars that make it. The lower ranked players are not afraid to work hard whereas many of the higher ranked players think that it should be "handed to them". Recruit Tennessee every other SEC team does; usually getting a successful recruit. GO VOLS!!!
in response to movol53:
What I've never understood is the fact that the state of Tennessee does not produce many D 1 players each year as per the sports media.Yet other schools come to Tennessee and recruit well. Almost every SEC school has one or two players from Tenn on its roster; Bama has one or two that are seniors or Juniors who have made an impact at Bama. Yes Memphis is closer to the Mississippi schools, Ark, LA, ALA, etc than Knoxville but Jones must start at home in ALL of Tennessee. Tennessee has always recruited well nationally so build with Tennessee boys and get the others nationally. We've got to have those that WANT to play for Tennessee. Look at how many 4 and 5 stars actually make it to the NFL and look at the number of 3 stars that make it. The lower ranked players are not afraid to work hard whereas many of the higher ranked players think that it should be "handed to them". Recruit Tennessee every other SEC team does; usually getting a successful recruit. GO VOLS!!!
Regarding Barrett Jones for Alabama, he was a legacy recruit and third generation player for them. That is one player in particular who the Vols never had a shot with.
It's the laws of averages that more 3 star players will make the NFL than 4 or 5 star players, there are simply many more of them.
in response to GloryDays: I think there are many factors that have caused the decline of Tennessee football. A lot of it happened when Doug Dickey retired. Mike Hamilton really dropped the ball. The way Fulmer was fired. The hiring of sleezy Kiffin. Then the hiring of incompatent Dooley, he was not qualified to coach or recruit. Hamilton spent his time trying to extract as much money from the Tennessee fans as possible.Much of the blame has to go on Jimmy Cheek, he made it harder for top players to be admitted, he took away the support system for student athletes, did away with athletic dorms, got his grubby paws in the athletic departments money.As Phillip Fulmer said, "recruiting is the lifeblood", of a winning college football team. I think Butch Jones knows that, and will spend 365 days a year doing it. Rome wasn't built in a day and it will take coach Jones some time to get this thing going. Go Big Orange!
in response to GloryDays:
I think there are many factors that have caused the decline of Tennessee football. A lot of it happened when Doug Dickey retired. Mike Hamilton really dropped the ball. The way Fulmer was fired. The hiring of sleezy Kiffin. Then the hiring of incompatent Dooley, he was not qualified to coach or recruit. Hamilton spent his time trying to extract as much money from the Tennessee fans as possible.Much of the blame has to go on Jimmy Cheek, he made it harder for top players to be admitted, he took away the support system for student athletes, did away with athletic dorms, got his grubby paws in the athletic departments money.As Phillip Fulmer said, "recruiting is the lifeblood", of a winning college football team. I think Butch Jones knows that, and will spend 365 days a year doing it. Rome wasn't built in a day and it will take coach Jones some time to get this thing going. Go Big Orange!
Yes, the firing of Fulmer was not handled well.
He should have been let go in 2005 instead of 2008.
When you go from a coach that is too arrogant to think he needs to recruit in state(see the Willis being passed over by Fulmer story circulating) to one who left the state in the dead of the night to another coach who was too lazy, arrogant, and unmotivated to go to any of the schools in the state, it's not hard to see why in state recruiting has faltered.
There simply isn't enough in state talent to completely build a program in TN, but there is plenty to consistently put nice core groups of classes together with it. No one can sell this program to out of state players like a kid whose life long dream was to wear Orange.
Jones needs to start off by winning the in state battles. Losing to the Vandy's of the world on or off the field is unacceptable.
Then there needs to be a reestablishment of a foothold in Florida, Georgia, and Alabama. UT is never going to pull the best players from these states but their leftovers can help fill a solid roster. Look at Charlie Strong and Louisville as an example. WVU made a living under Doc Holliday a few years ago in Florida.
I think he needs to use Graham to put the UT flag down in North Carolina and up state South Carolina. There is plenty of talent in those states to sustain multiple programs in the ACC. The lure of being an SEC school and reasonable proximity to Knoxville should be giving plenty of recruits in those areas to think about.
Before Jones worries about recruiting nationally per Fulmer's advice, he needs to recruit regionally.
Jones is going to have to be relentless in recruiting to undo the mess made by Fulmer, Kiffin, and Dooley. Remains to be seen if he is up to the task.
in response to jopad: My goodness, I'll bet the players are really feeling the support of fans after reading these comments! It seems 99% of the comments are critical of players and coaches. Interesting because people commenting are sitting home in their easy chair watching the games and looking for something to be critical of. How many of you negative "fans" have played basketball at this level or coached at this level? Very few if any. I hope the team and coaches know there are those of us, uneducated as we may be about the sport, who support them and their efforts. This team will win more, though it may be next year, when players with injuries return. Try walking in CM shoes before you critize something you know litte about.
in response to jopad:
My goodness, I'll bet the players are really feeling the support of fans after reading these comments! It seems 99% of the comments are critical of players and coaches. Interesting because people commenting are sitting home in their easy chair watching the games and looking for something to be critical of. How many of you negative "fans" have played basketball at this level or coached at this level? Very few if any. I hope the team and coaches know there are those of us, uneducated as we may be about the sport, who support them and their efforts. This team will win more, though it may be next year, when players with injuries return. Try walking in CM shoes before you critize something you know litte about.
Please.
Spare us the "good fan/bad fan if you haven't coached you can't comment" hyperbole.
5th grade children across the state of TN can see how poorly prepared this team is game in and game out and the W/L record speaks for itself under Martin.
in response to samvol: no one on this team knows their role and this is a problem that the coaching staff has to fix.
in response to samvol:
no one on this team knows their role and this is a problem that the coaching staff has to fix.
Bingo.
No leadership on the floor, no leadership off the floor.
It's a disorganized mess and I am surprised Martin hasn't tried sending 13 men floor yet.
in response to yabadabadoo1026: cant argue about this teams deficencies in general but rebounding is not one of them---we are 4-6 out of 14 teams in rebounding stats Here are SEC stats which pretty much sum it all up to explain this season to date: http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/Port...
in response to yabadabadoo1026:
cant argue about this teams deficencies in general but rebounding is not one of them---we are 4-6 out of 14 teams in rebounding stats
Here are SEC stats which pretty much sum it all up to explain this season to date:
http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/Port...
Point taken.
When you are turning the ball over 20 times a game or allowing the opposing team to shoot 55 % for a half like yesterday, the rebounding stats can be a little skewed.
Also think if you throw out a couple of games, UMASS and W. Carolina, the rebounding average takes a hit.
in response to dvols: its ok everybody.......please chill help is on the way! thay didnt play that bad and probably wasnt going to win anyway, give hogs some cred just wait till maymon back next year !!! with hubbs, stokes richardson!!! and mcrae.. there is a sleeper pg out there as well TN will be fine!
its ok everybody.......please chill
help is on the way! thay didnt play that bad and probably wasnt going to win anyway, give hogs some cred
just wait till maymon back next year !!! with hubbs, stokes richardson!!! and mcrae..
there is a sleeper pg out there as well
TN will be fine!
It won't matter who Martin brings in or who comes backs as long as this team keeps running this garbage "offense".
This isn't even Big 10 basketball anymore, Indiana has just put more points on the board in 5 minutes than the Vols have in some halves.
It's not just a lack of a point guard or Maymon missing. Those are just convenient excuses.
It's a fundamentally deficient team that can't pass, can't dribble, can't shoot, and can't rebound and has zero basketball IQ.
They aren't improving and it's coaching at this point, plain and simple.
I said after the MS ST win that this team had at least 6 more potential losses on the board(AR, Vandy, Ole Miss, KY, FL, and AL)and they are pretty close to that pace. NCAA tourney my a__.
I would take Pearl back in a second.
There may be some recruiting misses and an overall lack of talent on this team attributed to him but, at least he would have them playing smart, confident, and able to handle the fundamentals of the game.
The NCAA opens it up for recruits to be bombarded by texts from coaches non stop yet the compliance office has a problem with this?
Perhaps they feel the rock is a stone aged method of communication and want to show that UT is technologically advanced.
This team has much bigger problems than the refs and whether Martin has ever been teed up or not.
It's an understatement to say the guard play is inconsistent.
The "offense" they run is complete garbage.
This team can't hit a clutch free throw and look to be getting worse, not better as the season goes along.
They have no outside shooters that force the other team to alter their game plans.
The big men like Stokes are too busy reaching and grabbing instead of properly using their size to defend or establish rebounding position.
A simple lack of fundamentals by players across the board and a poor basketball IQ displayed by those players begs the question of what exactly is being done in practice to make these guys better.
You have a coach that is so stubborn that it took half the season to determine McBee is a complete liability on both ends of the floor and shouldn't be getting 25-30 minutes a game.
Yeah, getting the attention of the refs should solve all of that. Give me a break.
in response to JimmyJoe: How did we find this many guys that can't shoot? I mean how did these jokers ever get off the playground?????
in response to JimmyJoe:
How did we find this many guys that can't shoot? I mean how did these jokers ever get off the playground?????
They didn't.
It's been pushing a decade since we have seen a team that is this inept and mentally soft.
Three games in a row on the road they have choked and squandered away with turnovers, missed free throws and looking completely lost in the final minutes on offense.
The entire team, including Cuonzo, gets the deer in the headlights look when any game is close and it is crunch time.
Folded like a house of cards again. And people thought this team could have an NCAA tournament run in them.
What a joke.
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Just a side note, the Berry twins were in 6th or 7th grade when Fulmer was fired. Dont think he could have locked them up.
in response to underthehill: If Jones can hang on and get Jason Carr..it will be a major win for him and his staff..hope they do it..but however this recruiting year goes..Jones is in a situation where he just has to do the best he can..
in response to underthehill:
If Jones can hang on and get Jason Carr..it will be a major win for him and his staff..hope they do it..but however this recruiting year goes..Jones is in a situation where he just has to do the best he can..
Carr reaffirmed his commitment the other day.
I also think Bell is the Vols' to lose.
Whatever.
Teams can't win on the road in the SEC without capable point guard play. UT proved it against Bama, KY, and will probably do it tonight against Ole Miss.
Martin is catching up with Dooley in a hurry on being able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Whatever he does for ESPN on NSD will be more than he did for the Vols in recruiting his last year on the job.
Not one single Friday night high school game attended and we all saw the TFP article.
A 2012 class that gave Jones a foundation of quicksand. 7 members and counting gone that may be the tipping point for action by the NCAA against the Vols with their APR.
Whoever said he should be sued had it about right.
in response to SevenT: McBee needs to cut his nasty hair and shave. Just Saying
McBee needs to cut his nasty hair and shave.
It must be a sad pitiful life to know that your own team's website wants nothing to do with you so you resort to coming here.
Solid approach by Jones.
Hope it pays off in recruiting and getting some guys that can play and stay in school for four years.
The APR is a big elephant in the room that may step on the Vols AD if we don't get some stability in coaching and players soon.
The 2012 class signed by Dooley will end up doing almost as much damage as Kiffin's only class did to this program.
Beyond the pitiful W/L record, Dooley was doing significant damage on the recruiting trail and in poor player evaluations.
Five year plan my a**!
Where are those folk who constantly chided anyone on here last season for talking about firing him?
Those are the trolls this website needs to worry about.
On Jones, judgement day is coming February 6th.
There isn't a single position on this team outside of offensive line and AJ Johnson that shouldn't be an open competition. An open competition for a spot at a tradition rich school with some of America's best facilities and a rabid fan base that should appeal to a few highly rated prospects.
If Jones can't sway a life long UT fan like Von Bell with the lure of immediate playing time and an SEC path to the NFL, I am going to have some doubts about this being the best staff in the country.
in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE: Defending a program from nega-vols is hiding my head in the sand?? The fact that you are proud of being narcissistic speaks volumes about your mental health.
Defending a program from nega-vols is hiding my head in the sand?? The fact that you are proud of being narcissistic speaks volumes about your mental health.
A declaration on my mental health coming from someone who lives in a fantasy world where all is well with UT athletics and attacks anyone who doesn't share that fantasy is comical.
You probably spend a lot of time attacking windmills to "defend" your BS opinions as well.
in response to Ironcity: I am a big fan of Mcbee but I agree with everything you said. The kid is hurt and it clearly effects his shot, he brings little defensively and this teams needs more players on the court that can attack the rim. makes no sense to continue to play more then 12 minutes a game unless he gets hot.
in response to Ironcity:
I am a big fan of Mcbee but I agree with everything you said. The kid is hurt and it clearly effects his shot, he brings little defensively and this teams needs more players on the court that can attack the rim. makes no sense to continue to play more then 12 minutes a game unless he gets hot.
Yeah, I am not knocking him as a person in the least as he seems to be a fine student-athlete and model citizen off the court.
If a players is going to get starter's minutes, then they need to produce like a starter. Reese and McBee's minutes need to be switched IMO.
Beat Ole Miss on Thursday and you may be something.
The Vols beat a team that went seven deep with a team that goes ten deep by pulling away midway through the second half.
McBee logging 27 minutes is inexcusable at this point as he brings nothing offensively or defensively to the table.
He has taken 7 shots inside the 3 point line this season and shooting at a 31% clip outside of it while getting progressively worse as the season wears on. 8 of his 26 3pt makes were against Kennesaw and Presbyterian. SEC teams have shut him down.
He averages 0.9 rpg and has 4 steals on the season. The only thing he doesn't do is turn the ball over because he does nothing but hang out on the wing. He never handles the ball for any length of time.
Bizarre that he is logging so many minutes for a coach that preaches defense and rebounding.
in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE: Youth is wasted on the young..
Youth is wasted on the young..
"One man who has a mind and knows it can always beat ten men who haven't and don't".
I always feel like the one man when I post here.
in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE: Uhhh, that's the whole point for or against..Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor??
Uhhh, that's the whole point for or against..Was it over when the German's bombed Pearl Harbor??
My point was pretty clear in the first part of the post.
Much better teams than this vintage took a shot at winning the SEC tournament and failed.
This one will as well and that is their only shot at getting to the Big Dance IMO.
Jones could probably sign 10 JUCO players and not fix the damage Dooley did to this program in recruiting the past two seasons.
Dooley's last class wasn't quite the disaster Kiffin's last class was but,7 out of 22 signed won't be playing for the Vols next season. And I'd expect Alden Hill to bolt as well if Jones adds a couple more RB's to the mix with this class.
As it stands, JUCO's are nice to fill out a class with some potential high impact players like a Patterson but a major college program cannot sustain success with these players.
Too many issues with grades, character concerns, or being a one and done type player like a Cam Newton or Patterson.
in response to usnavyvolfan__now_proud_navy_dad: IT's hard to believe that there are people dumb enough to forget that even if the Vols DO finish under .500, they could still win the SEC tournament and get an automatic bid.
in response to usnavyvolfan__now_proud_navy_dad:
IT's hard to believe that there are people dumb enough to forget that even if the Vols DO finish under .500, they could still win the SEC tournament and get an automatic bid.
1979 was the last time the Vols won an SEC tournament and there have been a lot better teams than this one fall short in the SEC tourney over those years.
Just because something could happen doesn't mean it will happen.
The good vibes and momentum will likely come to a screeching halt on Thursday with a road game in Oxford.
Ole Miss is on a roll and already showed what they were capable of against the Vols at TBA.
I see five more losses on the schedule in Ole Miss, Florida, Kentucky, at Vandy(the Vols seldom win there) and Missouri to close the season so expecting an NCAA berth is a long shot at best.
in response to VOL56: Most of you know the SECs coaching staff's salaries are higher than the VOLS staff. I bet Vandy's coaching staff salary is just as much or more than UTs. I know AL, GA, LSU, FL, AB probably MSU and Ole Ms,SC, Ak for sure., Some one check it out - all available except Vandy (private). Also try ND - USC (also private)
in response to VOL56:
Most of you know the SECs coaching staff's salaries are higher than the VOLS staff. I bet Vandy's coaching staff salary is just as much or more than UTs. I know AL, GA, LSU, FL, AB probably MSU and Ole Ms,SC, Ak for sure., Some one check it out - all available except Vandy (private). Also try ND - USC (also private)
You are incorrect on almost every one of those schools you mentioned. Saban and Miles are making more, of course they have national titles to their credit.
Jones is starting off at a higher salary than Richt, Muschamp, Freeze, and Mullen to name a few. He is within 100 grand of Bielema.
He is the 13nth highest paid coach in the country and 5th highest in the SEC per coacheshotseat.com and USA Today.
We are paying this staff like one of the best in the country. it remains to be seen if they can actually recruit and coach like it.
Shooting air balls from the stripe with the game in the balance is not amusing.
An upperclassman guard who has almost as many turnovers as points is not amusing.
Watching a top 20 prospect regress badly in his second season under this coach is not amusing.
4 game losing streaks in the heart of the season is not amusing.
Strange says Richardson may eventually be able to laugh off that air ball but there isn't anything remotely enjoyable or fun about the product Martin is putting on the court.
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