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in response to budd#207344: Your stupidity is so glaring that it blinds me. This game was lost by the players not playing defense. They can play shutdown d because they have done it. They just got intimidated by UL and stopped doing what they were coached to do. Warlick is not the issue and you are stupid to think so
in response to budd#207344:
Your stupidity is so glaring that it blinds me. This game was lost by the players not playing defense. They can play shutdown d because they have done it. They just got intimidated by UL and stopped doing what they were coached to do. Warlick is not the issue and you are stupid to think so
When a player or players are not playing good D, who has the ability to change the situation? The Head Coach. We win or lose by the decisions we make.You make good decisions you win, you make bad decisions you lose. Now who made the decisions for the Lady Vols?
First of all you learn something from ever game,maybe not earth shakeing but something. What did the coaches and players from Freshman to Juniors take from this game? Now they can apply it next year. I for one hope it is how to handle defensive full court pressure. You don't dribble the ball up you pass the ball up and break the pressure Louisville was put on the ball,especially when they double team the ball handler. The key is for the ball handler to recognize the double team coming and pass the ball. There is more but you can get the ideal.
This team did not handle the pressure of getting to the final four well at all. They were not prepared very well,how to handle the double team pressure, The coaches had to see that in the Baylor game. How to get the ball inside and shot the ball in the paint.This a coaching fault. The coaches are responsible for everything the player does except shooting accuracy,they can control that in a small way by not playing a player who is not following the game plan. The one thing a coach can not do is shoot for a player,other than that they are in complete charge.
Folks we can all dance around the reason we lost. We got out coached pure and simple. What ever the reason, players took to many 3 pointers, didn't follow game plan,couldn't get the ball up court. This is the coaches fault. She is the boss,she can play who ever she want call what ever play she wants and if a player does not run the schemes or plays she calls she can take that player out. She is in control or at least suppose to be in charge. She has no excuse.
WE lost because we did not take advantage of our height advantage inside,wanted to shoot from the perimeter, not a high percentage shoot. Again did not take advantage of our advantage.
in response to oldbasshead: Why does Simmons play her worse in big games. In other the bigger the game the worse she plays.
in response to oldbasshead:
Why does Simmons play her worse in big games. In other the bigger the game the worse she plays.
It is called can't handle the pressure. When going get tuff the tuff gets going applies to her. She just can't handle it.
in response to bUTch_please: The '98 team played its guts out. Wilson provided the leadership and Tee left it all on the field.From a missed 36 yarder by FL, to a ball left on the ground by ARK to meeting FL St without their #1 QB it all fell into place. Coach Fulmer was a part of that magic. But Fulmer didn't take it as an opportunity to continue to grow his craft as a coach, he took it as a coronation. If he had seen what had happened with Tee as our QB we would have been the first to dominate with a mobile QB in a spread offense, not Meyer. But no, we played with slow, dropback QB's unable to change the game. Simply unable to evolve his ability to coach he continued to apply an unchanged formula to a rapidly changing game while the rest of the SEC caught up in recruiting. OP sees that trait as being aloof and not tuned into his craft. I have to agree. Coach Fulmer was on the cutting edge of recruiting dominance and a beneficiary of 2 outstanding coordinators. But a tactician? No. Multiple National Championships? No. A saint? No. A martyr? No. He had a run that could have been epic, but a run nonetheless. Glad for the good memories, hate some was left on the table and eager to move on. Go #117.
in response to bUTch_please:
The '98 team played its guts out. Wilson provided the leadership and Tee left it all on the field.From a missed 36 yarder by FL, to a ball left on the ground by ARK to meeting FL St without their #1 QB it all fell into place. Coach Fulmer was a part of that magic.
But Fulmer didn't take it as an opportunity to continue to grow his craft as a coach, he took it as a coronation. If he had seen what had happened with Tee as our QB we would have been the first to dominate with a mobile QB in a spread offense, not Meyer. But no, we played with slow, dropback QB's unable to change the game. Simply unable to evolve his ability to coach he continued to apply an unchanged formula to a rapidly changing game while the rest of the SEC caught up in recruiting. OP sees that trait as being aloof and not tuned into his craft. I have to agree.
Coach Fulmer was on the cutting edge of recruiting dominance and a beneficiary of 2 outstanding coordinators. But a tactician? No. Multiple National Championships? No. A saint? No. A martyr? No. He had a run that could have been epic, but a run nonetheless.
Glad for the good memories, hate some was left on the table and eager to move on. Go #117.
I concur. What bothered me about Fulmer was he attitude towards the offense. Get a 7 to 10 point lead and sit on it , then the ole offensive lineman came out in him and in his words lets pound the rock. Instead of trying to increase the points and giving the second and third string some game time let run and run out the clock. You are right the OC and DC made Tennessee. Just look what happened to Tenn when Cutcliffe left and went to Mississippi, but we had the same head coach.
We just got out hustled. They wanted the win more than our girls did. Like someone said before had more heart.
You can tell that he is in great demand. Just keeps turning down the offers. Had offers from let see, no not from ark,not from lets see there is so many can't remember all of them. All you Fulmer lovers know all of the offers he has had,becuse he is in such a great demand. Just to many to remember all of them.
I would be willing to bet he would not take the job because if he did he would lose financially. I would say there is a clause in his buyout about if he get another coaching job,he would loose so much or a certain percentage of his buyout money.
in response to ljlongtimevolfan: The biggest obstacle between the Lady Vols and the Final Four was removed when Louisville pulled the biggest upset in Women’s basketball history by defeating Baylor. With a bench full of High School All Americans the Lady Vols should defeat Louisville and Cal to reach the Championship game against either Norte Dame or UConn if we play team ball. Our challenge now is for the coaches and players to control Simmons’s play. If she comes out hogging the ball and shooting each touch they should bench her or the players should stop giving her the ball before she destroys the continuity of our other players. She has never stepped up in a big game or against a player of equal skills. Go to the Lady Vols site on UTsports.com and look at the statistics for the season and individual box scores of the games which will show these facts. Hope we play as a team tonight as this is the most important game in CHW career as head coach in getting to a Final Four. The Lady Vols can reach the mountain top again with a TEAM effort.
in response to ljlongtimevolfan:
The biggest obstacle between the Lady Vols and the Final Four was removed when Louisville pulled the biggest upset in Women’s basketball history by defeating Baylor. With a bench full of High School All Americans the Lady Vols should defeat Louisville and Cal to reach the Championship game against either Norte Dame or UConn if we play team ball. Our challenge now is for the coaches and players to control Simmons’s play. If she comes out hogging the ball and shooting each touch they should bench her or the players should stop giving her the ball before she destroys the continuity of our other players. She has never stepped up in a big game or against a player of equal skills. Go to the Lady Vols site on UTsports.com and look at the statistics for the season and individual box scores of the games which will show these facts. Hope we play as a team tonight as this is the most important game in CHW career as head coach in getting to a Final Four. The Lady Vols can reach the mountain top again with a TEAM effort.
I agree with your post.When Meighan starts to under stand she s not the team she will learn how to be a team player. She needs to learn to control her emotions and learn how to help the other 4 players win the ball game, That is the objective to win the game,not be the highest score or be the outstanding player. If she controls herself and takes good open shots she will be a great asset to the team,but if she want to be the gunner she will hurt the team effort to win the game.
in response to RLL59: Not sure how many noticed, but Bashaara only played 18 minutes in the game?? Also, I hope I'm wrong, but sometimes when shooters are as far off as Meighan was last night , it has something to do with how she relates to the background. That won't change for the next game. I think they said Louisville averages 5 made 3's per game. That's not excessive, so I doubt the lady Vols will play them any differently than they played Oklahoma. Hopefully, we'll see the Lady Vols in the Final Four.
in response to RLL59:
Not sure how many noticed, but Bashaara only played 18 minutes in the game??
Also, I hope I'm wrong, but sometimes when shooters are as far off as Meighan was last night , it has something to do with how she relates to the background. That won't change for the next game.
I think they said Louisville averages 5 made 3's per game. That's not excessive, so I doubt the lady Vols will play them any differently than they played Oklahoma.
Hopefully, we'll see the Lady Vols in the Final Four.
I will agree with you on shooters are sometimes off.That happens from game to game. Some nights you can't miss,then you have a night the lid is on the basket, no matter what you do you can't buyone. A team player will then become a assist master,feeding the ball to the open player,I have never seen Simmons do that, she is what was called a gunner when I played. No matter what the game plan is they are going to shoot if they have the ball. That is why they are called a gunner just keeps pulling the trigger. She can focus on playing better D,focus on not turn the ball over. There is a lot of things she can do to help the team besides shooting. She needs to watch a clip of Pistol Pete the best shooter to walk on the floor.How he handled the ball.
If Tennessee comes out and plays a very good half court game and limit the turn overs to 10 or less. Take care of the ball and good shot selection. I hate to say it keep the ball out of Simmons hands. She shot 1 for 15 from the floor and the shot selections was terrible, we will have a very good chance to beat Louisville. Louisville should be on a low coming down from such a high playing against Baylor, we Tennessee should take advantage of this. It would be a feather in Holly's cap to make the final four.
It is like I have said before,it all starts with the basics blocking and tackling, If you can't do the basics right you are in big trouble. The coaches are putting a emphasis on basics.
The team that blocks and tackles the best usually wins the ball game. These are the two fundamentals that have to be done well to win. You don't have the fastest team on the field but your team does not miss a tackle or miss a block you will be in the ballgame or most likely win the game.
Sounds like the ol termology of summer football camp. Time to find out who can get the job done. Who is going to suck it up and put his all into football practice.
Looks like we have some coaches who know how to do their job, this is always a very good sign of things to come. #1 conditioning,#2 fundamentals,#3 self-esteem. Now it is just a matter of learning the plays,everyone on the same page and the same line. We will know how well the players have learned their positions come September. The proof is in the pudding.
I just hope the best player get to play. Be he a senior or a freshman.
in response to bUTch_please: Thinking the offense will be vastly improved. Chaney is a smart OC, but sometimes too much thinking for the good of the team. Remember Mizzou not being able to stop our run, but Chaney serving up 3 and outs on 25 yard hitch&goes? How about any QB who can check down to a running play with a straight face? Think about how many times we had a long developing pass blow up on 3rd and 3 last year when a simple dive play against an obvious blitz would've had a much better opportunity to simply move the chains. We've got the best offensive line in the SEC this year. Keep them out of wasted plays and our offense will improve ten-fold.
Thinking the offense will be vastly improved. Chaney is a smart OC, but sometimes too much thinking for the good of the team. Remember Mizzou not being able to stop our run, but Chaney serving up 3 and outs on 25 yard hitch&goes?
How about any QB who can check down to a running play with a straight face? Think about how many times we had a long developing pass blow up on 3rd and 3 last year when a simple dive play against an obvious blitz would've had a much better opportunity to simply move the chains.
We've got the best offensive line in the SEC this year. Keep them out of wasted plays and our offense will improve ten-fold.
A good O/C will take what the defense will give you. When a defense is saying you are not going to run wide or up the middle and they have 9in the box it is time to throw or they are, only rushing three and they have a nickel backfield,it is time to run. Know big secret as what to do, it just a matter of calling the right play. O/C can make the offense look good or he can make it look terrible. That is why a very good QB coach can teach the young QB how to read a defense. I think Archie taught Peyton more than any coach a UT did. Peyton was a freshman with a senior play calling ability. Coaching is the name of the game.
in response to Witch_Doctors: Witch Doctor say forget the Alum stuff as Graham did..Witch Doctor believe this is a step up. Witch Doctor say once a kid graduates the worst thing he can do is return to his school to coach. Witch Doctor say plus he can pull the ones from Florida that Jay never could. Good hire IF we can get himBones never lie.
in response to Witch_Doctors:
Witch Doctor say forget the Alum stuff as Graham did..Witch Doctor believe this is a step up. Witch Doctor say once a kid graduates the worst thing he can do is return to his school to coach. Witch Doctor say plus he can pull the ones from Florida that Jay never could. Good hire IF we can get himBones never lie.
Well put Witch-Doc. Employees are faithful to the almighty buck, as the saying goes money talks and BS walks. It is obvious to me that he will make at least $300k or better. Or why would he leave to come to Tennessee? I don't care where he played or where he was born,just as long as he can #1 coach and than recruit. At least he was a running back, never have understood trying to coach a position you never played,probably could do a half way good job but not a great job, because you don't know all the in's and out's, all the little tricks of the trade, per say.
in response to Nighthawk: Can he recruit?
in response to Nighthawk:
Can he recruit?
If you have great coaches and very good results. (winning season) you will have good recruiting. It is not can he recruit but can he coach? Coaching is his first responsibility and recruiting comes some where after that.
Who are some of the top running back coaches out there? I know with all the people who surf GOvolsextra we have people who are very up to date on coaches.
in response to VolzsFan: This came down to a couple of things. 1. Zach Azzanni disrespected Jay and he left. Fact. 2. Jay was under paid. Fact. 3. Jay does not think this staff can get it done. Fact. 4. Jones did not let them do what they needed to do to get that kid that went to Ohio State. He will figure out how the SEC game is played and he will regret not paying up. Jay knew his hands where tied. Fact. As I have said, it will be decades before they can hope to win. It will never be to the Hall of Fame level we fired.
in response to VolzsFan:
This came down to a couple of things.
1. Zach Azzanni disrespected Jay and he left. Fact.
2. Jay was under paid. Fact.
3. Jay does not think this staff can get it done. Fact.
4. Jones did not let them do what they needed to do to get that kid that went to Ohio State. He will figure out how the SEC game is played and he will regret not paying up. Jay knew his hands where tied. Fact.
As I have said, it will be decades before they can hope to win. It will never be to the Hall of Fame level we fired.
The only person who knows all the facts is Jay Graham himself, so if you are not Jay then it is all here say. I have seen a lot of people blog on here with the facts that later prove they did not what they were talking about. I think you fit into that group.
Now this is very sad news. Time to go and get another top notch running back coach. A coach who was a running back in college and preferred in the pros. We saw what a good running back coach can mean to a team. Open up the check book and go get one. Must have been a dollar thing.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but Coach Kelly was not calling the play's for Coach Jones at Central Michigan or Cincinnati. You could leave a very good team and go else where, but the new coach has got to call the play's and make out the starting line ups. It will take CBJ a few years to have a top team, but I think you will see improvement in some areas of play almost immediately. My biggest concern is at Quarterback. They (the coaches) have this spring and next fall to coach and tutor someone. The door is wide open at that position.
That is why they are called Coaches ( teachers or instructors) His job is to teach the players what they are doing wrong and correct the problem by showing them what to do, not just stand and yell at a player if he is doing it wrong, show him the right way to do it. I think we have some pretty fair talent, but they were not showned or coached very well on how to play the 3-4 defense. We need to improve our defenseive backs speed that is for sure, also on how to anticipate what a receiver is going to do and not be so out of position. Coaching is the name of the game. You can take a three star player and a very good coach and have a five star preformance, you can also take a five star player and a so so coach and get a one star preformance.
in response to BMSvol: cincinatti got a far superior coaching staff than the vols did
in response to BMSvol:
cincinatti got a far superior coaching staff than the vols did
According to who? Who is qualified to make that statement?
What I would like to know is who will be coaching special teams and kickers?
in response to west_tn_volfan: I am satisfied now but the real time to decide is when I've seen the team play.
in response to west_tn_volfan:
I am satisfied now but the real time to decide is when I've seen the team play.
Exactly right. the test begins with the first game in Sepember.
I just hope he can teach the receivers to catch with their hands first not their body. We sure need a receiver coach who can coach (teach) receivers how to run their routs properly, and how to get seperation from a defenseive back. Running a route the way it is drawn out in the play book is very important to the passing game, as alot of you know alot of passes are thrown before the receiver makes his break and if they run the route wrong it sure makes the QB look like he has thrown the ball away or it could be intercepted. A good receiver coach can help or solve this problem real quick. The biggest thing I like about this hire is he was a receiver and has been coaching this position for a good many years and he knows what to look for.
We had two of the best pass or run QB's right here at Tennessee. Condredge Holloway and Jimmy Streater. I wish we could get another clone of either one to sign up at UT. It would be a great Christmas present for UT. You talk about putting pressure on Linebackers and Defenseive Backs, it would be nice to have a QB with these skills.
The new receiver coach is Zach Azzanni from University of Wisconsin. He was a reciver and has been coach receivers for about 9 years. I am glad he was a receiver and not a defenseive tackle trying to coach a position he has never played. Welcme aboard.
Like alot of you have already said,lets give the new staff a little breathing room and not go judging them until the 2013 season is over. We will have to be better in 2013 than we were in 2012. Don't go judging them until they have not done their job very well and that will be Coach Jones job to judge and correct the problem if there is a problem. I sure would not want to work for some of you because you would be wanting to fire me before I ever walked through the door. I have lost before I ever got start. You are doing the same thing to this coaching staff, already moaning and groaning before they start to work and show what they can or can not do.
Good: I am glad he was hired at a top school. I wish him well.
I would be looking for someone that had been a receiver before. I would look at a team that has a passing attack like SMU,BYU,and Washington St, just a few of the schools that have to have a good or excellent receiver coach because they are primarily a passing team.
One thing for sure, lets say $285,000 here is a lot more money to spend here for a home and expenses than it would be in Los Angeles. So I expect he got a raise to stay. Like someone posted earlier when he is let go we will not have a open, plus I guess he is not a Vol at heart.
It's like making a cake, all the ingredients are starting to come together. At least they will have spring practice and fall practice to get to know the offensive and the defensive schemes. I think we should see a big improvement on the defensive side of the ball.
I would like it if he keeps Graham and Pittman, but let him pick his staff. I am sure he does not need my or your input as to who to keep or who to hire. I just want to know who his Defense Coordinator will be,because we sure did not have one this year. I look for alot of his staff from Cincinatti to join him. He runs pretty much the same offense we run except his QB'S are mobile. Alot more than Tyler Bray. Good thing Tyler is a Senior. He alo runs a 4-3 defense which is designed to stop the run which we could not do this year, as a matter of fact, we did not do anything really good this year on defense, big changes are coming. Nobody has a guaranteed starting job. This the way it should be, play the best player, a freshman or a senior which ever one is the best.
in response to DeltaCharlie3: What insight suggests he might fail? Hmm, lemme think.... How about the fact that he was the 7th or 8th choice, or the fact that UT was battling Colofreakingrado for his services, or even better still, Derek Dooley pummeled him as HC. This is an awful hire, slightly better than Dooley.
in response to DeltaCharlie3:
What insight suggests he might fail? Hmm, lemme think....
How about the fact that he was the 7th or 8th choice, or the fact that UT was battling Colofreakingrado for his services, or even better still, Derek Dooley pummeled him as HC.
This is an awful hire, slightly better than Dooley.
According to this sight Tennessee only made offers to 1-2 coaches 1st to Charlie Strong and second to Mike Grundy at OKS,so if my math is right Butch would be offer number # 3. I think it is a very good choice,he has not coached a game yet and some of yo are already saying he will be gone in a few years,why don't you just go away and pull the hole in behind you. Very pessimistic view point.
in response to Henley-Street-Bridge: No Better than Coach Dooley, in fact, probably not as good. Big opportunity to bring Fulmer back to the VOLS is over for the last time. Way to go HART (A Hart F...)
in response to Henley-Street-Bridge:
No Better than Coach Dooley, in fact, probably not as good. Big opportunity to bring Fulmer back to the VOLS is over for the last time.
Way to go HART (A Hart F...)
I am and never was a Fulmer fan, I hope we never hear of him again. Get over it, he is gone, and will never I repeat never coach here at Tennessee again. He probably will never coach any major college again, his time has come and gone. I could not believe the people who wanted him back. Rehiring a coach that had been fired and hireing him back is just plain crazy or stupid.
in response to volfanlostnbama: The biggest problem I see with this hire, and I voted yes in the poll, is his offensive philosophy history. If he stays in the same style he's always coached, it doesn't bode well for keeping our present players who have another year. And certainly doesn't bode well for Worley & Peterman and probably most of our offensive recruits. Will be interesting to hear him address this in the press conference. Somebody on the beat report field better bring it up.
in response to volfanlostnbama:
The biggest problem I see with this hire, and I voted yes in the poll, is his offensive philosophy history. If he stays in the same style he's always coached, it doesn't bode well for keeping our present players who have another year. And certainly doesn't bode well for Worley & Peterman and probably most of our offensive recruits. Will be interesting to hear him address this in the press conference. Somebody on the beat report field better bring it up.
As Bear Bryant said about coaching. You coach according to the players you have, then you recruit accord to the offense or defense you want to run. I would think he will use the players we have and use them according to their ability to play.
Butch Jones was in my top 3 for the job. I think everybody knows who I wanted 1st, but Butch is a great choice. He has alot of experience and a winning record. He was a winner at Cinn,just hope he is a winner at Tenn and I think he will be,if he fixties the defense. It will be interesting who his assisants will be. I am very happy with him as OUR NEW HEAD COACH.
I would take Tressel over anybody out there right now. I know about his show cause. He was just protecting his players like any good coach would do. Of course he knew what was going on he was just trying to help his players to be able to make some extra money. After all the items they were selling was their personnel property. Other coaches do different things for their players,for example players get extra game tickets and sell them to make extra money. This is not a crime or these coaches and players would be charged with a crime. This is a ncaa rule that has been bent s little.
Go out and hire one of these coaches, I would take either one as a HEAD FOOTBALL COACH. I capitalized because I want to empathize what we need now. We need a winning coach that knows exactly what he is doing and how to go about getting it done. Tressel, Petrino, or Jones and there are some others that can be thrown in there that could get the job done. One of the choices that I think Teennesse should talk to is June Jones at SMU. I will agree with most of you it should have already been completed or done by now, we would only be thinking about who the assisants would be and how the recuiting was going. If Hart runs out of opitions he could elevate Chaney to Head Coach, problem solved. Then let him deal with the defense,after all that is exactly how we ended up with Fulmer as head coach.
Not NO,but H*** NO
Like I have said before . Like them or not the best coaches out there are Bobby Petrino or Jim Tressel. Remember we are hiring a football coach to pull us out of the losing slump we are in. I agree with everyone that Strong should say yes or no. UT should give him 48 hour to think it over if no answer the contract is void, pretty much stand procedure. If any or all of you have ever bought a house that is how the contract are written,you have so much time to except or make a counter offer,same thing here either he wants to come to Tennessee or he don,t. I am sure Hart knows all of this. If we remember from past coaching changes the moving coach always tells his team first than makes it public, if he is not leaving he will just say I am staying and not meet with his team. A team meeting usually mean he is leaving. We will have to wait and see.
I have written on another article that I think Jimbo Fisher will be AD Harts choice because they know each other from FSU days. Plus he meets all of Harts requirements if they are not a smokescreen, to have or be a HC and to have SEC coaching experience. I am not saying he is my first choice. I still want 1. Jim Tressel, 2. Gary Patterson 3. Bobby Petrino and 4. Butch Jones. These are the coaches I want. You may have different choices and that is fine. You may not want any of my choices for what ever reason, thats OK too, but they are my choices. Who ever AD Hart choices we as a Vol Nation must get behind him and give him time to improve our football team.
in response to Nighthawk: Hart cleverly used the Gruden frenzy as a decoy to keep the media and fans distracted while he went about the business of finding our next coach. I think Gruden allowed the deception to play out with his silence. Hart called the agent today to stop the media speculation about Gruden because he has found his man.
Hart cleverly used the Gruden frenzy as a decoy to keep the media and fans distracted while he went about the business of finding our next coach. I think Gruden allowed the deception to play out with his silence. Hart called the agent today to stop the media speculation about Gruden because he has found his man.
I agree. I think he has had his man for quite sometime now. Just had to work out the little things in the contract. I do not think it is Petrino because he had no reason to keep it quite because Petrino is not coaching any where and therefore he could be announced as soon as he agreed to come. I believe it will be Jimbo Fisher.
If a coach with HC experience and coached in the SEC or coaches in the SEC is what AD Hart wants or at least is his top desires for a new coach. We only have a few people that fit that group of coaches. Petrino, Tuberville, T Bowden and J Fisher and as sad as I have to admit Fulmer. Now of these I would have to say that Jimbo Fisher has a advantage over everbody else because, he and Hart are friends from their time together at FSU, so they know each other pertty well, so just from that I would say he has a better chance of being the new coach. He will not be announced until after the ACC Championship and after all the bowl games are played. Just food for thought.
All you people who are making predictions who will be the next HC at Tennessee will have to eat some crow when we find out who it will be. As I have writen before just a few people knows who AD Hart will interview in New York City. I would venture to say he is doing it in New York City to keep the press out of it. I saw or we saw Coach***** on the campus on such and such day must be the new coach. When he said he want a person with HC experience and with SEC coaching experience that does not leave alot of people to select from. Now narrow your list down to these people and you probably can make a accurate and logical guess. Me I don't know who it will be, but I have my thoughts. How about you?
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