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in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE: Actually Kiffin/Chaney only used half the field with JC, and in the early portion of TB's career he was most successful doing just that. After Chaney installed the whole playbook, that's when Tyler really struggled the most. He apparently didn't know all his plays and would rather attempt impossible double coverage throws in narrow windows rather than check out and move the chains.
in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:
Actually Kiffin/Chaney only used half the field with JC, and in the early portion of TB's career he was most successful doing just that. After Chaney installed the whole playbook, that's when Tyler really struggled the most. He apparently didn't know all his plays and would rather attempt impossible double coverage throws in narrow windows rather than check out and move the chains.
Crompton was a great turnaround story. I give him a lot of credit. Ainge was better in my eyes though. After that LSU game after the hurricane I never thought Ainge would see the field again. Both he and Cutcliffe did an amazing job.
I remember Rick Clausen told me he thought Crompton's biggest issue was the coaching carousel.
I for one have a gut feeling Bray does fairly well. We shall see. I thought Cam Newton was worse reading D on Gruden's show actually.
in response to CCLC: You might be right... Could Murray go before the 3rd round? He certainly had a better career against the Vols than Eric did. QB Eric Zeier out of Georgia was drafted in 1995 by the Browns in round 3 (#84 overall)
in response to CCLC:
You might be right... Could Murray go before the 3rd round? He certainly had a better career against the Vols than Eric did.
QB Eric Zeier out of Georgia was drafted in 1995 by the Browns in round 3 (#84 overall)
When was Zeier? Late 90s? I love college football. When I went to UT for some reason I always had the most fun at the UGA games. Even the hobnail boot game. Hated the outcome but that really was an awesome game to see. Murray is better than Zeier for sure.
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And that is the "not my fault, let's sue" mentality that has this country so screwed up.
I'd greatly respect Tyler if he said this has nothing to do with Dooley. I didn't prepare and handle myself like I should. The second you point the finger elsewhere is the second you lose the power to fix the issues.
Now this may not be your mentality. You may be speaking as if Bray may be thinking that. If so, I understand the point.
in response to johnlg00: I keep hearing all this stuff about how Stokes was already in the fold when Pearl was let go. The only argument I have heard that makes any sense is that only UT of his other preferred schools had a scholarship at the right time. He said publicly that he had DECOMMITTED from UT after Pearl left. He only took his first call from Martin by ACCIDENT, but wound up staying on the phone for TWO HOURS with Martin and THEN he decided to come to UT. Anybody who doesn't credit Martin with actually landing Stokes is looking for reasons to put him down. I don't think you missed anybody on your list of possible Pearl recruits, but there was no likelihood that Chris Jones would have even qualified academically for UT even if Pearl had stayed.
in response to johnlg00:
I keep hearing all this stuff about how Stokes was already in the fold when Pearl was let go. The only argument I have heard that makes any sense is that only UT of his other preferred schools had a scholarship at the right time. He said publicly that he had DECOMMITTED from UT after Pearl left. He only took his first call from Martin by ACCIDENT, but wound up staying on the phone for TWO HOURS with Martin and THEN he decided to come to UT. Anybody who doesn't credit Martin with actually landing Stokes is looking for reasons to put him down. I don't think you missed anybody on your list of possible Pearl recruits, but there was no likelihood that Chris Jones would have even qualified academically for UT even if Pearl had stayed.
John, my concerns are the lack of intelligent play, the lack of fundamentals, and at times a lack of effort.
Lack of intelligent play comes from poor shot selection, not taking the ball to the rim, not using a high post against a 2-3 zone, and so on. A lot of poor pass decisions as well. Fundamentals comes in with missed free throws, Stokes using his upper body to post and "box out" rather than his lower body, dribbling into traps (they seem to always go right to the corner for some reason), and so on. There's plenty more but they're not coming to mind right now. Poor effort, and I admit this is not all the time, has come in with lackadaisical passes and I've seen plenty of times where certain players simply don't go after rebounds and loose balls.
So what do you see? At the end of his second year with pretty much the same team it concerns me to see these things. Because of these issues I believe we will not be as good as we should be next year. My gut is we will be a bubble team again. Now you know I'm a fan. I'm just trying to be realistic and I have played a good bit of organized basketball. That doesn't mean I'm right about any of this but at least I've actually played and know what it means to play the 4, for example. People calling for Martin to be fired now are funny. I don't think he will ultimately get it done but he certainly deserves another year to prove it. I'm super excited about the tournament in the Bahamas. We need to win games there though. Playing big name teams isn't enough. So without even seeing a schedule I say 21 regular season wins. What say you John? You're a good dude and I respect your opinion.
in response to fearthehound: He deserves a third and he'll get it. The third year is the one that tells the tale (see Derek Dooley). No matter what, the third year tells what direction you're heading and if the team is going to improve in the future or regress (see Derek Dooley). From what I've seen so far, Martin talks the talk and has the look (tall, steely eyed, scowl, etc), but I don't see it translating over to the court. Pearl, on the other hand, always delivered more than was apparent... UT4PREZ?? where did that come from??
in response to fearthehound:
He deserves a third and he'll get it. The third year is the one that tells the tale (see Derek Dooley). No matter what, the third year tells what direction you're heading and if the team is going to improve in the future or regress (see Derek Dooley).
From what I've seen so far, Martin talks the talk and has the look (tall, steely eyed, scowl, etc), but I don't see it translating over to the court. Pearl, on the other hand, always delivered more than was apparent...
UT4PREZ?? where did that come from??
Good question. When I signed up (reading a lot longer than posting) it was coming up on election time. I think the entire University of Tennessee would make an excellent President for this great nation. Not one player, not one teacher, not one student. The whole dang thing. It makes sense if you don't think about it. To put it another way, just being stupid.
Calling for Martin to be fired now is silly. He has had 2 years. He deserves a third and will have it of course.
However, late in his second year with a roster full of players under him both years (yes I know not all of them) we see consistently poor execution, low basketball IQ, and even a lack of effort at times. I never thought we would see those things regularly under Martin. I personally believe those issues will be there next year, we will be a bubble team again (probably make it in next year just barely), and ultimately those issues lead to him being let go. I did see some improvement in players but also regression. I really hope I'm wrong. This is nothing more than opinion based on what these eyes see. Go Vols!
If the committee takes 4 SEC teams then we should be number 4. Our resume is stronger than KY and Bama overall. My gut tells me only 3 make it though.
I agree with toddy. We have to work the ball inside and at times kick it out for the 3. We are taking way too many outside shots without ever getting it to the post, low or high. And we are not even a good shooting team. Bama attacked the rim and we settled. Pretty simple. And the fact we continuously fell back into those habits last year and this year give me concern for next year. No doubt some players made great strides this year. At times the two things lacking that worry me are hustle and fundamentals. I never imagined I'd say that with Martin as coach. Based on the fact I see those concerns after 2 years, my belief is next year will not be as good as they could and should be. And certainly not as good as Vol fans expect. My goodness, I'm already hearing some say top 5 next year! I just don't see it. I predict one year from now that UT will be a bubble team yet again, and I have no idea who is on the schedule.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong. This has nothing to do with losing to Bama. No matter what I support the coach and players. Go Vols!
in response to GerryOP: Interesting! Win six in a row -- including wins over Vandy, UK, and UF -- and we get cautious but doubting praise for our basketVols. Lose one and the idiot neaysaying negaVols are out in full force ... Vols suck, fire Martin, trash the players, etc. Most of you folks don't deserve a winning program and you wouldn't know how to handle it if our Vols started winning everything in sight. And you unemployed D-1 college basketball coaches on here? Don't give up your night jobs down at the King. Ya'all have a nice weekend ... and attend the church of your choice Sunday morning. God bless and be well.
in response to GerryOP:
Interesting! Win six in a row -- including wins over Vandy, UK, and UF -- and we get cautious but doubting praise for our basketVols. Lose one and the idiot neaysaying negaVols are out in full force ... Vols suck, fire Martin, trash the players, etc.
Most of you folks don't deserve a winning program and you wouldn't know how to handle it if our Vols started winning everything in sight.
And you unemployed D-1 college basketball coaches on here? Don't give up your night jobs down at the King.
Ya'all have a nice weekend ... and attend the church of your choice Sunday morning.
God bless and be well.
Hey Gerry. What bugs me is they don't play smart basketball. They did for a while although 2 of the wins in the streak they did not and just toughed out a win (SC and A&M). Of all the things I thought Martin would have them doing I thought the top one would be playing smart, disciplined basketball. Instead, there are times it looks like these kids don't have a clue. Is it coaching? Hard to know for sure. Next year should tell us more. From what I see we better really temper the expectations for next year. Yes we have a ton likely coming back and have a good class coming in but these issues will not fix themselves.- no strong dribblers except maybe Lopez- lack of quickness- lack of shooting- avg free throw shooting at best- lack of height inside- poor execution against zones and presses
And so on. I'm not trying to pile on. I love watching the Vols play. I even watched every single game of the last year under Buzz. That was the worst ball I've ever seen and I had to pay for each game because I lived half the country away. This team has a lot of good attributes, most of all heart. You can't measure that. It's just frustrating that they know how to play the game yet go through stretches where you would never know that to be the case. They get our hopes up, start to raise expectations, and then lay an egg. I try to keep it real and hold my expectations down but they got everyone so excited including me. It's not over though. Back to it today. You know I'm all orange and I'll be with them every step of the way no matter what. Go Vols!
in response to VictorKruger: Hey, what on earth are you doing on this site offering well thought-out possible reasons behind a terribly disappointing loss :>)? Seriously, great post - a refreshing change from the usual garbage from trolls and fair weather fans after a loss. I swear half of the people posting on this article only started following the mens BB team again after they heard about the improbable 4 OT win over Texas A&M. Folks, remember these are 18-22 year-old student athletes giving their best.
in response to VictorKruger:
Hey, what on earth are you doing on this site offering well thought-out possible reasons behind a terribly disappointing loss :>)? Seriously, great post - a refreshing change from the usual garbage from trolls and fair weather fans after a loss. I swear half of the people posting on this article only started following the mens BB team again after they heard about the improbable 4 OT win over Texas A&M. Folks, remember these are 18-22 year-old student athletes giving their best.
What frustrates me is they didn't give their best today. Not between the ears. It looked like they lost focus and forgot how to play smart, winning basketball. Like Cuonzo said, poor spacing and poor movement. I'll add poor shot selection. I bet if there was a stat showing the avg distance from the goal of UGA's shots vs our shots the difference would be huge. We shot a ton of 3s and we aren't a good shooting team! It's done and time to move on. You are right that they are young men and certainly have a lot on their plate. Every team has off games. We overcame one to beat A&M because the effort was tremendous. We didn't today because the effort didn't quite seem to match that of UGA. I don't buy them being tired due to the schedule. UGA played Wednesday and faces the same physical and scheduling challenges as us. That's an excuse. If you can't handle a late Tuesday and early Saturday schedule then what happens when the tournaments come and you play every day and every other day? We actually had an extra day between games when compared to a typical wed/sat schedule.
As of this morning we are back to being the first team out. Let's sit back and see what happens. I believe the next 3 are must wins to have a shot and would start feeling pretty good if we pull 4 straight.
in response to 8inarow: Everyone knew the win over the Gators was a fluke. This proves it.
in response to 8inarow:
Everyone knew the win over the Gators was a fluke. This proves it.
How are the fish biting today?
We need to get back to attacking the rim. Even though we've been winning we started getting away from it the last couple games. It just so happened we shot well from the outside. We need to regroup and get ready. Auburn should be a win but it is still a road game. Mizzou is tough but we are at home and Mizzou, like most teams in this league, struggles on the road. I've seen stats that show it is easier, percentage wise, to win a road SEC football game than a road SEC basketball game.
We still have a very outside shot at the NCAA tourney. We are a NIT team at least. We need chemistry and momentum heading into what should be Cuonzo's best year. We have much left for which to play. I don't expect us to win the SEC tournament but we are certainly capable. The scariest teams for us seem to be Ole Miss and UGA. Although, LSU would be a tough draw too. O'Bryant is impressive. He did and would again eat Stokes alive. Stokes drives me crazy waiting for the double team to come. UGA was smart. Since Stokes would always wait for the double they didn't bring it from the wing on the same side as Stokes. They would use the wing defender opposite of Stokes so it was much tougher for him to find someone open. Stokes is not a guard but he thinks he can dribble like one. This team dribbles too much and the passing is much improved over last year but still leaves much to be desired, especially on fast breaks. 1st rule on a break is go to the rim. If they don't stop you then take it to the basket! For some reason we try to pass when the ball handler has a clear path to score and then when we should stop at the free throw line and BOUNCE pass to a cutter we always seem to try and force our way to the rim and draw a charge. The basketball IQ of this team is very low and I thought for sure that is not something we would have to worry about under Martin. Next year is the year. No excuse for not dancing next year.
in response to sameolvolalum: Am I the only person who kept yelling "where's the whistle" every time Stokes had the ball. Two separate games were called today. One was a call-all-ticky-tack on the Vols (except for one foul that UT got away with), and the other was "no blood...no foul" for UGA. This poor job of officiating was a disservice to the SEC, so I'd say this wasn't Slive talking.....it was money. The refs took UT out of the game half-way into the first half.
in response to sameolvolalum:
Am I the only person who kept yelling "where's the whistle" every time Stokes had the ball. Two separate games were called today. One was a call-all-ticky-tack on the Vols (except for one foul that UT got away with), and the other was "no blood...no foul" for UGA. This poor job of officiating was a disservice to the SEC, so I'd say this wasn't Slive talking.....it was money. The refs took UT out of the game half-way into the first half.
All SEC games are horrible. This game certainly had some moments but the A&M game was way worse.
That looked like the Ole Miss game from last year's SEC tournament. Poor basketball IQ all the way around. The only reason it was close was because McRae's shots were going in. A lot of those were poor shots but we were playing so poorly that his bad shots were by far our best offense.
We have to win 4 straight to have a shot at getting into the NCAA tournament now but I seriously doubt it will happen. Good comeback on the season but like we did in most games we started too sluggish to overcome it.
I'm not advocating dumping Martin but guys my gut tells me we will have the same issues next year. I really hope I'm wrong. It worries me that the veterans on this team play such fundamentally poor basketball here at the end of the season and during the flow of the game it doesn't appear Martin addresses it. I really thought we should have pressed to try and get our guys in the flow of the game. Oh well.
Pitiful.
Ok. Couldn't help it. Posted in October.
"John, I appreciate the optimism and there are a lot of good signs with this coach and team. But there are some new pieces in the mix now and chemistry is different every year. Be careful with expectations. They played outstanding ball in the conference so they could be much better and not generate a better conference winning percentage. Out of conference and the tournament play are where I expect us to improve. Be careful dismissing SC as well. People said the same thing about is last year. How many wins do you predict in the regular season? I'm thinking 20-22."
We can make it to 20! Go Vols!
I love the people that say UT can't get in. If they win the next 3 there's a chance their RPI is in the 30s! I think if they win 3 of the next 4 and the loss is not Auburn, or a similarly bad team in the SEC tourney, then they will get in. Win 4 of 5 and I guarantee they are in. That would mean win out in the regular season and one in the SEC tourney. I think 3 does it as that likely leaves the RPI in the 40s. To help I want UK, UF, Xavier, Wichita, and UMass to win as much as possible. Mizzou too. I predict we make it this year. I'm not going back to look but I think I predicted 20-22 regular season wins. They have a shot!
I'm very proud of the guys. Great effort and they're playing beautiful ball right now. GA will be very dangerous! Maybe that loss at Vandy will have them down. They're playing for NIT right now. We're playing better and they're not on the roll they were before. Tough game but we should win. UT 72, GA 60.
in response to frblalack: One of the great Vol wins. I was in class with Ron Widby and got the chance to witness firsthand the Vols put a whippin' on Louie Dampier, Dan Issel, and Pat Riley at the old Stokely Athletic Center. At the time it was probably the biggest upset in the history of Tennessee basketball and it was a thrilling sight to behold. We're getting to that stage now where I don't think anyone can stop us. And Skylar probably can't punt like Ron, but he's got the same smooth baseline jumper! Our bigs are the best in the conference & Trae deserves All-American consideration. But we have one player who cannot be guarded one on one; Jordan McCrae can create his shot. That makes him invaluable & first team SEC along with the strongest big in the conference if not in the country, Mr. Yarnell Stokes. Also hats off to Kenny & Yemi; we are deep inside the paint. And you've got to give it up for Coach Cuonzo!!! I knew when we signed him we were getting someone special! Vols are about to build a basketball dynasty. It's a GREAT time to be a Tennessee Vol! And for the record I'm 110% behind Coach Butch Jones & the continuity he's keeping with his coaching staff, and the world class expertise of Coach Dave Serrano, and the classiest of Tennessee Lady Vol basketball second only to the Best Coach in Basketball History,Coach Holly. Many seem to have forgotten what a remarkable player & team leader Holly Warlick proved to be. Holly rocks! And we've got the BEST assistant coaches in the Nation! I wouldn't trade Coach Kyra & the rest for the entire bench on Gino "the cheater & womanizer" of Connecticut's staff. In two years time I would not be surprised if the Vols were back on top in Basketball, Football, Lady Vol Hoops, and it goes without saying our Lady Vol Softball team will soon be National Champions ...hopefully this year while we still have Raven, Lauren, Madison, Ivy, and Ellen together. It absolutely ROCKS to be a Tennessee Vol!
in response to frblalack:
One of the great Vol wins. I was in class with Ron Widby and got the chance to witness firsthand the Vols put a whippin' on Louie Dampier, Dan Issel, and Pat Riley at the old Stokely Athletic Center. At the time it was probably the biggest upset in the history of Tennessee basketball and it was a thrilling sight to behold. We're getting to that stage now where I don't think anyone can stop us. And Skylar probably can't punt like Ron, but he's got the same smooth baseline jumper! Our bigs are the best in the conference & Trae deserves All-American consideration. But we have one player who cannot be guarded one on one; Jordan McCrae can create his shot. That makes him invaluable & first team SEC along with the strongest big in the conference if not in the country, Mr. Yarnell Stokes. Also hats off to Kenny & Yemi; we are deep inside the paint. And you've got to give it up for Coach Cuonzo!!! I knew when we signed him we were getting someone special! Vols are about to build a basketball dynasty. It's a GREAT time to be a Tennessee Vol! And for the record I'm 110% behind Coach Butch Jones & the continuity he's keeping with his coaching staff, and the world class expertise of Coach Dave Serrano, and the classiest of Tennessee Lady Vol basketball second only to the Best Coach in Basketball History,Coach Holly. Many seem to have forgotten what a remarkable player & team leader Holly Warlick proved to be. Holly rocks! And we've got the BEST assistant coaches in the Nation! I wouldn't trade Coach Kyra & the rest for the entire bench on Gino "the cheater & womanizer" of Connecticut's staff.
In two years time I would not be surprised if the Vols were back on top in Basketball, Football, Lady Vol Hoops, and it goes without saying our Lady Vol Softball team will soon be National Champions ...hopefully this year while we still have Raven, Lauren, Madison, Ivy, and Ellen together. It absolutely ROCKS to be a Tennessee Vol!
The enthusiasm is great but I think you went a little far. It's easy to get carried away in the excitement. Golden is not even first team all SEC and won't even get all American honorable mention. McRae will probably be 2nd team SEC but maybe could sneak on the first team. Stokes isn't the best big in the conference. That kid from LSU is pretty awesome. Finally, we don't have quality depth inside at all. Kenny shows flashes about 25% of the time but the other 75% he is a liability. Yemi is a rebounding machine and plays decent defense. His game in all other areas is non-existent. At times his lack of size can be a liability. The strength of this team comes from hustle, desire, and synergy. Make no mistake, this is not a hugely talented group. Just watch them and it's obvious but they overcome it by playing hard and playing together.
Again, I love the enthusiasm. Just don't want you to be disappointed when the conference and all American teams are announced. At least you aren't slamming everyone and complaining all the time. I hope you are right on every bit of it!
in response to johnlg00: Pretty good post except for a few small quibbles. I didn't like Jimmy Dykes' comments about the charge--it made no difference that the guy was falling back; he was in a "legal guarding position", which includes backing up; the Florida guy clearly ran over him; wouldn't have kicked if they gave him the bucket, though; Trae did almost the same thing on one he made--but he also had some kind things to say about the Vols defense and even about some adjustments they made on offense. He seems to be pretty much a Jarnell fan, too. I generally give Jimmy a lot of credit for the job he does. As for the Gators being short-handed but so were the Vols without Maymon, it makes a big difference when you lose guys you have become used to playing with as opposed to those you never had. The Vols took WAY too long to get used to playing without Maymon, but the Gators had to make the adjustment from one game to the next, which is much harder.
Pretty good post except for a few small quibbles. I didn't like Jimmy Dykes' comments about the charge--it made no difference that the guy was falling back; he was in a "legal guarding position", which includes backing up; the Florida guy clearly ran over him; wouldn't have kicked if they gave him the bucket, though; Trae did almost the same thing on one he made--but he also had some kind things to say about the Vols defense and even about some adjustments they made on offense. He seems to be pretty much a Jarnell fan, too. I generally give Jimmy a lot of credit for the job he does.
As for the Gators being short-handed but so were the Vols without Maymon, it makes a big difference when you lose guys you have become used to playing with as opposed to those you never had. The Vols took WAY too long to get used to playing without Maymon, but the Gators had to make the adjustment from one game to the next, which is much harder.
I agree with you. Dykes was getting annoying about the charge call because he seemed to talk about it forever but overall he was fine. The one that really got under my skin was Clark Kellogg in the KY game. I never say anything about someone calling the game as it's insignificant but he was blatantly biased towards KY. They did no wrong in his eyes even as we built a 39 point lead. Man was that awesome! Suck it Clark!
in response to wayoutwill: This Vol team will be ranked top five(5) in the country in the preseason polls IF we get everyone back!The question is "will that happen?" Is Stokes going or is Mcrae going?I belive they come back and Mr. Maymon steps back into his spot on a very serious contender for the Final Four next year! I done told you haters that Coach Martin would raise this program to heights never seen here before. The only problem with Coach Martin is "What's he gonna say when his alma-mater comes calling?" I have no doubt that the money will be offered to keep him here,but,will his heartstrings tug so hard combined with the lure of going to a real basketball school instead of here- where it's only a past-time to get thru the year 'til spring training-be the end of the line for Coach Martin at U.T.? Time will tell....
in response to wayoutwill:
This Vol team will be ranked top five(5) in the country in the preseason polls IF we get everyone back!The question is "will that happen?" Is Stokes going or is Mcrae going?I belive they come back and Mr. Maymon steps back into his spot on a very serious contender for the Final Four next year! I done told you haters that Coach Martin would raise this program to heights never seen here before. The only problem with Coach Martin is "What's he gonna say when his alma-mater comes calling?" I have no doubt that the money will be offered to keep him here,but,will his heartstrings tug so hard combined with the lure of going to a real basketball school instead of here- where it's only a past-time to get thru the year 'til spring training-be the end of the line for Coach Martin at U.T.? Time will tell....
They should be very good if everyone is back and healthy but not top 5. And let's not give Martin credit for something he hasn't done yet. This team was a mess a month ago. Last year they looked awesome in SEC regular season and fell back into early season bad habits the last 3 games. Just watch and enjoy the ride while keeping things in perspective.
Early on UF played faster and looked to be the far more talented team. Oddly enough I think their press helped us get in the flow of the game and play up to their speed. I also think we started frustrating UF because we just kept hanging around. Great game. If we win Saturday we will be 18-10, 10-6. That definitely has the look of a bubble team at worst. Xavier picked up a nice win tonight too. Every little bit helps! A win Saturday also likely pushes our RPI into the 40s.
Interesting to me that most think the refs called a good game. If we had lost the feelings would be very different. Win or lose they were horrible. And sometimes in our favor. The SEC refs are so bad I think some people are just accustomed to it now.
Their guards constantly fouled our guys on the perimeter. We got called for quite a few hand checks and they didn't. Jahns took several charges. About half were legit. Half he slid under. Plus he fouled while rebounding a lot. He pushed Stokes a few times with his hands and even tackled McBee once. Their guards constantly pushed off and they NEVER called it. Even the announcers mentioned it once. That's when you know it's bad. For us, Stokes got away with a lot, especially over the back. I understand letting them play. That's fine but when we get called for several charges, they get called for maybe one block, and then on the other end we get called several blocks, and they get maybe 2 charges, it drives me nuts. And the inconsistency of calling things on one end and not the other is not letting them play. But watch any SEC game and you see it. I have no idea how Cuonzo keeps his cool.
As far as Cuonzo and the turnaround, let's not crown him the king of coaches now. Just like he shouldn't have been fired earlier. Just like last year there have been good signs and bad signs. We have a lot to play for this year still. No matter what happens, next year will be huge for Martin's career at UT. Subtract McBee and Hall. Add Maymon and Hubbs along with a couple other freshmen. Hopefully Stokes stays as he should. We SHOULD be awesome next year as long as everyone stays mostly healthy. If we don't make the tourney next year then Cuonzo will likely be looking for another job. Making the tournament this year would give him some leeway next year so we shall see.
I just get annoyed at all the people saying I told you so. I told you about Martin. I told you about McBee. I told you about Golden. Facts are facts. Martin's team was a mess. McBee was a liability and Golden just stunk it up. Now, all 3 are performing well. They could fall back into bad habits, like they did last year, or they might sustain it. Just watch and enjoy because no matter what anyone says, no one knows what will happen. Go Vols! Beat those Gators! We win that and I think we make it. Just a prediction. I certainly don't know!
McBee deserves a lot of credit.
They seriously need to send this tape to the league office. The officiating was horrible! Unfortunately, most SEC games are like that regardless of who's playing.
Great game Vols! Well, great determination anyway. They actually played poorly. Poor free throws, terribly timed turnovers, Cuonzo slow to make some moves like Richardson on Turner, and no energy most of the first half. But they fought, and fought, and fought. Awesome job. No doubt they lose this game just 4 weeks ago.
in response to UK2K: Thanks for the classless win Vols. Up 30 and still playing your starters and full court pressing?? Nice call coach. Enjoy your once in 50 years success against UK. We are down but not out.Your Vols won't shoot 58% the rest of the season. Promise you.
in response to UK2K:
Thanks for the classless win Vols. Up 30 and still playing your starters and full court pressing?? Nice call coach. Enjoy your once in 50 years success against UK. We are down but not out.Your Vols won't shoot 58% the rest of the season. Promise you.
You're funny. I actually loved the call to press. It avoided complacency and forced your boys to use more time coming up the floor. You're right though. Your cats would never have a starter in late in a blow out would they? That's funny.
Those saying we beat the defending NC are technically correct. However, this KY in no way resembles last year's team. The name on the jerseys match but the names on the roster do not.
I'll catch up on reading the comments shortly but what an amazing win. I figured it would be down to the wire and had no idea who would win. I love watching smart basketball. Now is the danger time though. For the team and for us fans. We didn't look great last Sunday but toughed out a road win. We looked good against Vandy and awesome today. That's just 3 games folks. Enjoy today for all you can. Tomorrow forget all about it. Last season showed that the team can take steps back. The last 3 games last year were not good. So let's keep a level head here, after today anyway!
6 games left. 3 at home and 3 away. To realistically be a bubble team we need to go 5-1. All of the road games are winnable. The two best teams left, UF and Mizzou, come here. Come on Vols! 5-1! Or better!
Great kudos to Stokes and Golden. Both guys have stepped up and helped lead to these road wins. Other than that 6 minute or so stretch in the second half they looked very good. It was the smartest basketball they've played all year. Good spacing, good ball movement, mostly good shot selection. I'm excited to see how they play this weekend. The NIT may be our future this year but they are a post season team for sure. At times it looks like Martin has promise and at times it looks eerily similar to the Dooley situation. Next year will be a make it break year for him, especially if Stokes returns and everyone is healthy.
I'm surprised we don't see more zone and press than we do. Hopefully we will keep getting better. All they have to do is get the ball to the middle of the zone whether it is half court or a full court press. Easier said than done but not as tough as they make it seem sometimes. Great win though. Go Vols!
in response to voloffaith: Touchy aren't we all when semi-called on the carpet. You said,"Is that a problem?" Yes, to voice ,but your response was couched in statement of read title for article then posted. Of course, I'm sure you have NEVER responded to a comment POSTED between two other posters(if never then I sit corrected). The sarcasm at the end sometimes further defines those we post to. The ability to be humble and corrected speaks volumes as to the state of our pride level. Is it(pride) so demanding that everything is a win or lose proposition? Or more controlled where we don't feel violated or on the defensive if someone disagrees or calls into question a stance or position we have taken. Back To Coach Martin in a technical sense, if you will...
in response to voloffaith:
Touchy aren't we all when semi-called on the carpet. You said,"Is that a problem?" Yes, to voice ,but your response was couched in statement of read title for article then posted. Of course, I'm sure you have NEVER responded to a comment POSTED between two other posters(if never then I sit corrected). The sarcasm at the end sometimes further defines those we post to. The ability to be humble and corrected speaks volumes as to the state of our pride level. Is it(pride) so demanding that everything is a win or lose proposition? Or more controlled where we don't feel violated or on the defensive if someone disagrees or calls into question a stance or position we have taken. Back To Coach Martin in a technical sense, if you will...
Uh, what?
in response to smokeygrowl: Im not downing them and I want them to win. just comparing them to men is plain silly.
in response to smokeygrowl:
Im not downing them and I want them to win. just comparing them to men is plain silly.
Agreed. I'm a high school bball wannabe. Couldn't get off the bench at a small school. Coaches fault though. Not mine. I was a stud. In my mind anyway. I was on par with those ladies. Not due to talent at all, just the physical difference between men and women. Most women anyway. Female body builders. Gross.
in response to smokeygrowl: she couldnt get a shot off against a middle school team
she couldnt get a shot off against a middle school team
I completely agree with your point. I can't stand when people say stupid stuff like the women would beat the men. Give me a break. (On a side note, Bear, nothin but love my fine furry friend. Just speaking in general terms.)
However, I have played ball with Chamique Holdsclaw once and Ace Clements a lot. They can play. Ace would make you look like you're stuck in mud if you were not in proper defensive position and the girl could flat out shoot. And no we were not playing with a girl's ball. She was about as good as her husband and he is a good athlete. A former C-N football player if I recall correctly.
Woo freaking hoo! Go Vols!
And go Falcons tomorrow! Remember, we don't have Chris Miller and Steve DeBerg anymore and they don't have Joe Montana and Steve Young anymore. The NFC West is ours! Wait a second. What year is this?
in response to Scoon: As you can see from my above posting there, ironleggs ... your Jarnell Stokes is NOT quieter than a church mouse and in fact, has a BIG mouth!! And, so does your ole Bernard King!! Article written on King, Thursday, February 11, 2010, as follows: Bernard King is at #Vols practice today and had these motivation words to say. Bernard King to the #Vols: "Listen up, guys. We don't lose to Kentucky. You hear me? We're not losing to Kentucky." More from King: "I'll be there with you. We'll do what we have to do, because we're not losing." That was when your vols went on and proceeded to be made mincemeat out of inside of Rupp Arena at the paws of my Cats. 02/08/11 Lexington, Ky. - Rupp Arena Kentucky 73, Tennessee 61 http://www.allkyhoops.com/2010/02/ex-...
in response to Scoon:
As you can see from my above posting there, ironleggs ... your Jarnell Stokes is NOT quieter than a church mouse and in fact, has a BIG mouth!! And, so does your ole Bernard King!!
Article written on King, Thursday, February 11, 2010, as follows:
Bernard King is at #Vols practice today and had these motivation words to say.
Bernard King to the #Vols: "Listen up, guys. We don't lose to Kentucky. You hear me? We're not losing to Kentucky."
More from King: "I'll be there with you. We'll do what we have to do, because we're not losing."
That was when your vols went on and proceeded to be made mincemeat out of inside of Rupp Arena at the paws of my Cats.
02/08/11 Lexington, Ky. - Rupp Arena Kentucky 73, Tennessee 61
http://www.allkyhoops.com/2010/02/ex-...
Uh Scoon, hate to rain on your parade but according to your dates that loss to KY was almost an entire year after the comments by King.
And come on. Those comments by Stokes aren't that bad. You were wrong. You kept saying Stokes said he would not lose to KY again.
Not exactly on top of your game Scoon. Too much shine my furry friend.
in response to HtownVol: I am getting tired of this. I see no choice but change the way the game is managed. This team looks so much better when they just play. Turn them loose. Slowing it down kills the scoring. What really hurts is I really dont see this getting better any time soon. We have a great recruit coming in BUT... One great one and 2 way below average recruits does not equal improvement ( I hope I am wrong) I have been saying for 3 years but UT has NO SCORERS! Stokes is but everyone nows he is all UT has. He gets triple teamed every time he catches the ball. If we had scorers we would take advantage of that. Then again Stokes gets so little post touches that he refuses to pass it back out. The real killer is PG. Golden is degressing at a horrible rate and Armani Moore looks like he is not going to be a player any time soon and Lopez does nothing but dribble the ball between his legs for no reason at all. And the PG we have coming in is not even raked one of the top 100 PG's in the country. Who knows, but that doesnt look like it will be any better. The only posotive in next season is Maymon. Stokes will come back unless he speaks to the moron that advised Darrington Sentimore cuz Stokes has done nothing to impress this season. Maybe though he gets drafted on upside alone. I really dont want to give up on C Martin but it is going to take some magic to turn this program around this year and keep it headed in the right direction. In my opinion... I dont think Martin has recruited the type of player it takes to win at the highest level. After this clacc he will have signed 2 top level recruits and 6 or 7 recruits rated 3 stars or below. I like Yemi but pretty much all of the lower rated recruits are not game changers and none of them can create his own shot. Sorry, I may hear it for this but this is all my opinion and I want to be wrong but I have seen nothing to say this will get better. GO VOLS
in response to HtownVol:
I am getting tired of this. I see no choice but change the way the game is managed. This team looks so much better when they just play. Turn them loose. Slowing it down kills the scoring.
What really hurts is I really dont see this getting better any time soon.
We have a great recruit coming in BUT... One great one and 2 way below average recruits does not equal improvement ( I hope I am wrong)
I have been saying for 3 years but UT has NO SCORERS! Stokes is but everyone nows he is all UT has. He gets triple teamed every time he catches the ball. If we had scorers we would take advantage of that. Then again Stokes gets so little post touches that he refuses to pass it back out.
The real killer is PG. Golden is degressing at a horrible rate and Armani Moore looks like he is not going to be a player any time soon and Lopez does nothing but dribble the ball between his legs for no reason at all.
And the PG we have coming in is not even raked one of the top 100 PG's in the country. Who knows, but that doesnt look like it will be any better.
The only posotive in next season is Maymon. Stokes will come back unless he speaks to the moron that advised Darrington Sentimore cuz Stokes has done nothing to impress this season. Maybe though he gets drafted on upside alone.
I really dont want to give up on C Martin but it is going to take some magic to turn this program around this year and keep it headed in the right direction.
In my opinion... I dont think Martin has recruited the type of player it takes to win at the highest level. After this clacc he will have signed 2 top level recruits and 6 or 7 recruits rated 3 stars or below. I like Yemi but pretty much all of the lower rated recruits are not game changers and none of them can create his own shot.
Sorry, I may hear it for this but this is all my opinion and I want to be wrong but I have seen nothing to say this will get better.
GO VOLS
Htown (like the R&B group?), I'm starting to think that Stokes is actually not that good. Look at the guy. No one in high school could physically stop him. I'm starting to think that's why he was so successful. Size. Not skill. He looks like a college senior who has had a few years in a good weight program. Maybe I'm wrong.
McRae is a scorer. He is starting to look better. I hope he keeps improving and showing consistency. We will need him next year too.
in response to bigdisbig: Another mid major hire equals a MAJOR mistake. Dooley = mid major = LOSERMartin = mid major = LOSER The misers on the hill are NOT investors for they want bargain basement coaches who cannot compete with good teams. You get what you pay for and until the misers on the hill realize that its loserville for the Vols in every sport.
in response to bigdisbig:
Another mid major hire equals a MAJOR mistake. Dooley = mid major = LOSERMartin = mid major = LOSER
The misers on the hill are NOT investors for they want bargain basement coaches who cannot compete with good teams. You get what you pay for and until the misers on the hill realize that its loserville for the Vols in every sport.
It's about the quality of the individual. Not the school at which they coached. Plenty of coaches go from a mid-major program to one of the big conference schools and succeed. We were wrong about Dooley. We shouldn't tank Martin yet although the signs are not good.
Bad loss. Our players are not smart ball players. This is exactly why I said we needed to wait before deciding on Martin and not jump to the conclusion he is an awesome coach after one decent year. No matter what I say we give him one more year but I don't like the signs. If they don't know how to beat a press and attack a zone next year then Martin needs to go.
Those 3 straight turnovers against the press were sickening. Richardson looks so bad handling the ball that sometimes I wonder if he is on the take. I seriously did when he missed that 2 handed dunk against Memphis. I've seen players miss with one hand plenty but not two. I don't think he is of course. It's just frustrating. I was even upset that there was zero urgency when we got the ball back down 3 and less than 30 seconds left. We walked the ball up the floor and wasted at least 5 seconds.
I know I'm being negative but there is some good. McRae is really stepping up. I didn't see the whole game but what little I did see looked much better from Golden. Maybe he is healing finally. And they do not ever quit. I LOVE the fight in this team. And I totally disagree with the folks that say this is as bad as buzz ball.
Lastly, I don't understand the mentality of not watching the rest of the season. I'm not ridiculing those that say that. I don't get it though. Win or lose I love watching and supporting our Vols! Go Big Orange!
I totally disagree with the poster claiming ND shouldn't have been there. Good schedule for once and they ran the table.
This computer is hilarious though. Bama is not 28 points better than ND. It was just one of those games. No question they are better though.
What? No comments? As much as I can't stand the Gators, Vol fans please remember that we would have loved to have been where the Gators were tonight. No need to be disrespectful. At least not right off the bat. Wait until the Gator fans give you a reason. It won't take long! Ha!
The Cards were jacked for the game and simply played great. UF looked ready. UL just played better. I do believe UF is overrated at 3 and thought so before the game. Don't get me wrong. They deserved the ranking. I just don't think they are one of the best 3 teams in the country. Top 15, no doubt. Top 5, no. I give mad love to Muschamp. Great year. See you guys on the bball court!
in response to Scoon: Sounds like a plan, prez you and you are right ... we both currently are in 'somewhat' similar situations, BUT, the difference is that UK has all the potential in the world awaiting at our fingertips to break through that ... I would say 'basketball ceiling', but that was already done last year ... <ahem> and with all this very, very young talent that we have, and with all the exceptional talent coming in for next year, who knows where else we may go. As I see it currently, Nerlins Noel and company have nowheres else to go but straight up as opposed to other team's with more seasoned, veteran players like UT...who may have/have already peaked. Peaking is fun; but, it is even funner to know that there awaits even better 'peaks' within a path. Guess Ut bb wouldn't know anything 'bout that, though ... and, when we going to Vegas? Gatorbait keeps asking me.
Sounds like a plan, prez you and you are right ... we both currently are in 'somewhat' similar situations, BUT, the difference is that UK has all the potential in the world awaiting at our fingertips to break through that ... I would say 'basketball ceiling', but that was already done last year ... <ahem> and with all this very, very young talent that we have, and with all the exceptional talent coming in for next year, who knows where else we may go. As I see it currently, Nerlins Noel and company have nowheres else to go but straight up as opposed to other team's with more seasoned, veteran players like UT...who may have/have already peaked. Peaking is fun; but, it is even funner to know that there awaits even better 'peaks' within a path. Guess Ut bb wouldn't know anything 'bout that, though ... and, when we going to Vegas? Gatorbait keeps asking me.
I'll admit I haven't watched much UK bball this year. I have no idea why they have 4 losses so early. Could be a chemistry issue, a talent issue, or something else entirely. It's possible they will get better but there's no guarantee.
It is funny that you think UT has peaked. That's not likely given that Reese, who looks pretty solid, just got his first action of the year. Plus, they seem to be learning how to play together better. Even though the offense is not good it is better in spurts than it was against GTown and UVA. A win over Memphis and 11-7 in the conference could mean we go dancing. It's certainly doable so I look forward to seeing how it all plays out.
I do agree with some posters though. You talk plenty when riding high but after a loss you're up on your haunches boxing anything that comes close Scoon. Retract the claws before you get them removed!
in response to SevenT: Troll, got nothing else to do but call me out? Kentucky couldn't hit a free throw and blew it.
in response to SevenT:
Troll, got nothing else to do but call me out? Kentucky couldn't hit a free throw and blew it.
Seven, Scoon, and any other KY fan on here, so far it seems UK and UT are in similar positions. Each has one good win and has lost to the other good teams on the schedule. The one difference is UT has been scraping by the other teams and UK is blowing them out. Elite 8 is the ceiling for UK and I'm going to guess the round of 32 is the best for UT. You never know once you get in though.
in response to I_OWN_MANY: (This comment was removed by the site staff.)
in response to I_OWN_MANY:
Nope. We beat an ok team on our floor as we should. This is not the Xavier of the past few seasons. The next 4 games will help figure out where we are going. Less than 3 wins probably indicates NIT at best. 3 or more and maybe we dance. Going to the NCAA tourney would make for a good season.
Settle Scoon. Back where I found you many moons ago. Fighting a losing battle on too many fronts. I'm not stepping in this time. Kitty needs to learn on his own in this big bad world.
Scoon, you won't be cutting any nets this year. Not even the ones for the Final 4. Elite 8 is tops, Sweet 16 more likely. Solid season but probably not what you want.
in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE: Golden played bad, but remember UT doesn't win without Golden's FT shooting at the end.
Golden played bad, but remember UT doesn't win without Golden's FT shooting at the end.
No doubt Bear. I'm not hatin. I don't think he should be benched either.
in response to bosscat: IMHO, one starter--Richardson--and three subs--Reese, Lopez & Makanjuola--were the players that won this game for us. Should Coach consider starting any or, say it isn't so, all 3 of them? I think Reese earned a starter's role and the other two earned a lot more playing time. I would like to read what others on this site think. I know one thing for sure: at half-time, I was a sad puppy not looking forward to the rest of the season; at the end of the game, I was in a much better mood.
in response to bosscat:
IMHO, one starter--Richardson--and three subs--Reese, Lopez & Makanjuola--were the players that won this game for us. Should Coach consider starting any or, say it isn't so, all 3 of them? I think Reese earned a starter's role and the other two earned a lot more playing time. I would like to read what others on this site think. I know one thing for sure: at half-time, I was a sad puppy not looking forward to the rest of the season; at the end of the game, I was in a much better mood.
Hey Boss. I like your approach of not overreacting like some will and have by saying bench all these guys and play those others. Golden played poorly but one game doesn't make or break a player. But, when that lineup of Reese, Mack, Lopez, Richardson, and I forget the 5th were on the floor they moved the ball and attacked the rim beautifully. Mack was a beast on the boards! Reese looked great for his first game! I'm very excited to see more of him. Golden not only looked slow physically but he looked slow mentally. I mean things like looking to pass after the opportunity was gone. He had the right idea but sometimes by the time it came to him the hole had closed. He looks banged up so maybe he needs some rest. I do agree this is not very pretty basketball but I disagree with people saying it is not exciting. I love bball, not as much as football, and enjoy watching these tight games where each possession is crucial. Plus, we are scrappy and tough. I love that! Go Vols! We need a good run these next 4 games. Memphis at home, Ole Miss at home, at Bama, and at KY. We go 3-1 and we might have a shot at dancing.
in response to tnvol4ever: Good read, but I pretty much quit watching bowls years ago. The only bowl of interest is the one for the championship. The rest is always one team that thinks they deserved a better bowl so they are not really motivated or a team that has lost their coach to another school. Bowl season is a big let down. The regular season has more of a playoff atmosphere.
in response to tnvol4ever:
Good read, but I pretty much quit watching bowls years ago. The only bowl of interest is the one for the championship. The rest is always one team that thinks they deserved a better bowl so they are not really motivated or a team that has lost their coach to another school. Bowl season is a big let down. The regular season has more of a playoff atmosphere.
The bowl matchups this year are the worst I've seen. I believe TN would have beaten Rutgers or Va Tech the way those teams looked. Terrible bowl game. Cinci and Duke was entertaining but I admit to only watching the last few minutes.
in response to Dalton: Not that it applies to me but there's a lot to be offended at in this one..someone applying for Rob Parker's spot on First Take?
in response to Dalton:
Not that it applies to me but there's a lot to be offended at in this one..someone applying for Rob Parker's spot on First Take?
Don't forget to take down Brad Wesley. I'm rooting for you Dalton.
in response to RememberWhen: for all you experts out there, Martin called timeout in 2nd half because TN's ball screen defense was getting destroyed just as it had been all game. The only thing that saved TN is that Pres didn't make shots in the first half - and it wasn't because of anything TN did. And if you think Martin cleared his bench, please learn to read a box score. He had 3 starters play 31 minutes or more, only played his normal 9 man rotation with reserves getting 5, 11, 16 and 18 minutes. Not exactly getting down to the walk-ons. This was an ugly win against a severely outmanned opponent that actually won the 2nd half convincingly. Doesn't bode well for the next 10 weeks so get your whining hats on!
in response to RememberWhen:
for all you experts out there, Martin called timeout in 2nd half because TN's ball screen defense was getting destroyed just as it had been all game. The only thing that saved TN is that Pres didn't make shots in the first half - and it wasn't because of anything TN did. And if you think Martin cleared his bench, please learn to read a box score. He had 3 starters play 31 minutes or more, only played his normal 9 man rotation with reserves getting 5, 11, 16 and 18 minutes. Not exactly getting down to the walk-ons. This was an ugly win against a severely outmanned opponent that actually won the 2nd half convincingly. Doesn't bode well for the next 10 weeks so get your whining hats on!
Seems you jumped the gun and put yours on already.
in response to JimmyJoe: I was speaking as a group... You don think we give these kids anything? Really?
in response to JimmyJoe:
I was speaking as a group... You don think we give these kids anything? Really?
I won't say we don't give them anything as fans, and no I'm not talking about improper benefits, but it pales in comparison to the effort they put into entertaining us. That is the whole point right? Surely this isn't about money. When I read your comments it sounded like you put it in as much as they have. Sorry if I jumped to a conclusion. It happens from time to time. We can't all be level-headed like Scoon.
in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE: Well Prez, you da man..But, regardless I've got to oppose you on this issue..Tee has been bitter since Dooley took over and didn't offer him a job..That's why he took the Tucky job to smite UT, and Kiffin (the low down snake) used Tee to steal more recruits out of UT's backyard. H3LL YES HE'S A TRAITOR!! If he's not he's the dumbest b@stage to ever walk the Earth.
Well Prez, you da man..But, regardless I've got to oppose you on this issue..Tee has been bitter since Dooley took over and didn't offer him a job..That's why he took the Tucky job to smite UT, and Kiffin (the low down snake) used Tee to steal more recruits out of UT's backyard. H3LL YES HE'S A TRAITOR!! If he's not he's the dumbest b@stage to ever walk the Earth.
Nothing wrong with a different opinion. It's cool. Read my post to Scoon. That sums it up pretty well for me.
in response to Scoon: Good evenin, prez. Prez, that is not the end of the story. He didn't make a decision to honor his contract, that wasn't nothing but a cop out. Very few ever turns down something they want that badly just to honor a contract and you know that. Not something like this, anyhow. Not something as important as that that would affect his entire future, his career, his family, etc. And, if Tee was really soooo full of honor and such a good person in that respect, then why didn't he honor his contract with UK? Huh? Answer me that as me and all of Volnation is waiting with abated breath, I'm sure, to hear this. P.S. How ya doing? Long time, no see.
Good evenin, prez. Prez, that is not the end of the story. He didn't make a decision to honor his contract, that wasn't nothing but a cop out. Very few ever turns down something they want that badly just to honor a contract and you know that. Not something like this, anyhow. Not something as important as that that would affect his entire future, his career, his family, etc. And, if Tee was really soooo full of honor and such a good person in that respect, then why didn't he honor his contract with UK? Huh? Answer me that as me and all of Volnation is waiting with abated breath, I'm sure, to hear this.
P.S. How ya doing? Long time, no see.
Then let's put the minds of Volnation to ease.
The answer is actually easy. I'm not saying he is a good person and I'm not acting like he is a hero for saying the reason he didn't come is loyalty to his players. I agree there is more to it. I just don't care. He has his reasons, I will never know what they are, and they are none of my business. There's no reason to trash him in my opinion. Good to have you back stirring the pot Scoon.
in response to mumfordfan: I don't see any ignorance, or judgmentalism. When we discern something to be wrong (like calling someone who steals merchandise from a store a "thief"), we are not being judgmental. We are just calling "balls & strikes." Tee is a traitor and an absentee father. That is a statement of fact. That said, I know that I must always work on my own sin first and foremost, and that is enough to keep me plenty busy. Ha. Cheers to all my Vol mates. My, we are a passionate bunch.
in response to mumfordfan:
I don't see any ignorance, or judgmentalism. When we discern something to be wrong (like calling someone who steals merchandise from a store a "thief"), we are not being judgmental. We are just calling "balls & strikes." Tee is a traitor and an absentee father. That is a statement of fact. That said, I know that I must always work on my own sin first and foremost, and that is enough to keep me plenty busy. Ha. Cheers to all my Vol mates. My, we are a passionate bunch.
I can certainly see how you would come to your conclusion but you are calling balls and strikes on a field on which you are not playing. You don't know the entire situation and are making an assessment from several fields away, sticking to your analogy.
in response to JimmyJoe: WE NAMED A STREET AFTER HIM DUDE!!!! His school needs him and he is staying at USC to work with UT's arch enemy... We are not good enough for him anymore.... Or we are not cool enough for him. Yeah I'm done. I followed his butt all over the country in 98. I was there at Syracuse and at Tempe... I did my part...dang We all have... I'm tired of giving these kids everything and then when they leave town forget who we are. He is on his own....there is a reason he is not Peyton....and this is one of them....yeah I'm done.
WE NAMED A STREET AFTER HIM DUDE!!!! His school needs him and he is staying at USC to work with UT's arch enemy... We are not good enough for him anymore.... Or we are not cool enough for him. Yeah I'm done. I followed his butt all over the country in 98. I was there at Syracuse and at Tempe... I did my part...dang We all have... I'm tired of giving these kids everything and then when they leave town forget who we are. He is on his own....there is a reason he is not Peyton....and this is one of them....yeah I'm done.
You took road trips, got plastered most likely, and enjoyed a sporting event. Yes you paid a lot of money but what did you give to these kids as you say? You paid a lot of money and spent a lot of time at an entertainment event. I think your level of involvement is much more limited in reality than it is in your mind.
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