Comments by dragon18

Written on John Adams: Dave Hart ahead of schedule with hires:

You guys are a bunch of schoolyard kids. My suggestion is to let all the Fulmer, Kiffen and Dooley stuff be water under the bridge. I would also say let the Hammy stuff go too. You might find some of the Hart stuff going on to be unsettling and that is probably fair game. To call him a knuckle dragging... whatever the rest was, is probably going too far. We don't know what happens with CBJ. We do know he has brought energy and excitement back to MOST of the Vol nation. We also know he is as BB says, "recruiting his arse off!"

I encourage the negative posters on here to please let the past be in the past at this point. None of the cast that put UT in this mess are here anymore (Cheek excluded). Just try and focus on the good things going on, let go of the past bad things that happened and if you have issue with CURRENT EVENTS they are fair game. This board will be much better if you guys could do that.

Written on John Adams: Dave Hart ahead of schedule with hires:

What a sad group this page brings out. I can't understand why there are 3 or 4 on here that seem to have so much BS to spew about the athletic department and especially about Dave Hart and have little to no foundation for all of that BS. BTW- Speculation and hearsay from your mother's boyfriend's sister/girlfriend does not qualify as foundation. I just get fed up with all of the "insider" insinuations that get made and passed off as the "truth squad". What is that anyway? some kind of pre-pubescent super hero club you guys schemed up in your Mommas lingerie closet? do you have to have a secret decoder ring to be a member?

You guys really need to get a life. There is so much more out there once you get past your compulsive hand wringing over the state of UT athletics.

Written on QB Mitchell decides on North Carolina State:

Seriously... If you would never respond to his pathetic pleas for attention he really would just go away.

Written on Catcher Ethan Bennett leaving UT baseball program:

You guys that are on this page calling these young men quitters need to take a moment and chill! I doubt that any of you have participated in athletics at a D1 level and therefore have NO FREAKING CLUE what these young men and women sacrifice to play for your team of choice. I can speak from experience that it is more than a full time job to be a student athlete. Scholarship or not, if these guys want to pursue the things that will make them happy and successful for the rest of their lives, who are you to say otherwise! They don't owe you or anyone else on these sites anything. If they had quit mid season or just mailed it in that might be different, but there is no indication of that.

So in closing, keep your ignorance and self absorbed fandom to yourself.

and as for me... Good luck in all your future endeavors Mr. Bennett and Mr. Taylor.

Written on Tennessee contends with dropped passes, injury in Thursday practice:

in response to TheRealDragonSlayer:

There is no need to worry. The team will go the way the coaching staff leads them, and this staff has shown they have their heads on straight. Every team deals with injuries and every team at one point or another has to deal with QB issues. This is nothing new for a college football team. What every team doesnt have is a good set of coaches that can lead them into the battle well prepared. In that regard, I think we have nothing to worry about.

Go Vols!

I will start with saying that I don't disagree with your post at all and that I am not worried and have full faith in this coaching staff. That being said, if there is a rash of the same injury, in this case hamstrings, it could be indicative of a training/conditioning issue. It could also be that these guys are working and pushing harder than they have since arriving on campus.
Love the direction of the program and have a very good feeling about where CBJ will take us.

Written on Butch Jones says of event countering Nick Saban: 'I'll do anything in Tennessee':

in response to RollTideJoe:

You're the bubba for saying something so stupid. Get a grip people. It's a speaking engagement. I hardly think it will amount to an iota regarding recruiting or anything more than a talk. With your attitudes, I'd cancel the engagement if I were him. Then you can go find a real bubba.

I'm going to disagree with you on this one. I drove to Chattanooga on business Monday and saw the Billboard in question. It is really in your face Alabama and the speaking event gets lost in the giant picture of Saban and the giant Alabama logo. Keep in mind that ANY RECRUIT driving from Knoxville to Georgia, or to Florida or to Alabama must pass this billboard. It's a pretty snarky thing to do. If the Athens Chamber authorized that billboard it should have been clear to them as it was to me that the layout was not about the speaking engagement but more about Alabama and Nick Saban. I'm just sayin'...

Written on Mike Strange: Competition every rep is Butch Jones' message to Vols:

in response to laraccoon:

i d say your right , sounds like in this interview we would have missed out on this dude if not for Jones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zerwRo...

Good Grief he didn't even mention UT until the reporter asked him about a visit to a game. Now he's committed to the program. I think you about summed it up, he would not have done that without the new coaches.

Written on Coalfield sophomore lineman Zach Stewart gets offer from Tennessee:

in response to UTKin1992:

I see you as the garden variety lunatic fan who never attended, much less graduated from UT. Pick someone else to annoy d-bag...

I find BB to be one of the most consistent, knowledgeable and positive posters on these pages. Plus he'll meet you anywhere you want to back it up LOL! Go get'im Beare!

Written on In full-pads practice, Vols crank up intensity:

DC3- I don't know you, I apologize for the idiot comment. That's pretty low level on my part.

Written on In full-pads practice, Vols crank up intensity:

in response to DeltaCharlie3:

And you think he's a great coach because of his Cincinnatti resume'?

Derek Dooley made him look incompetent, what does that tell you?

That UT has some great talent. Better talent than Cincy. You're comparing apple and orange programs. There is no question that even lower tier teams in the SEC should beat Big East programs. That's not a coaching issue, it's a talent issue.

BTW- You're still an idiot, made even more so by your last ridiculous argument. But thanks for playing!

Written on In full-pads practice, Vols crank up intensity:

in response to DeltaCharlie3:

It's just you. These coaches and just as sophomoric as the last bunch.

Haha!!! you're an idiot! Thanks for the post though!

Written on In full-pads practice, Vols crank up intensity:

Wow! Is it just me or does it feel like we actually have a group of coaches that "coach" football? I wasn't a Dooley hater, but in retrospect I have to wonder if the focus was in the right place. I love/hate comments like "we are a poor tackling team right now." Love it because it means it will be addressed finally. Hate it because.... well because we are a poor tackling team. Guys, I get more excited everyday with this group of COACHES!

BTW- That pic of CBJ is awesome! That is an intense individual and he looks like he would rather be in pads than coaching.

Written on Evan's Eleven: 5-star RB Jalen Hurd's commitment to Tennessee is biggest catch of Butch Jones' tenure:

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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Just went back and read what he wrote. Seems to me all he was saying was that you don't need to be an Alum to be a big fan. Seems Like that was what Mooseandsquirrel read into his post as well. Anyway, I'm through here because I know where this slippery slope winds up with you. And really, have a great day!

UNCC Alum

Written on Evan's Eleven: 5-star RB Jalen Hurd's commitment to Tennessee is biggest catch of Butch Jones' tenure:

in response to MooseandSquirrelVol:

You seem to be reading into pull4's post what was not there.
His point is that Alumni have no monopoly on being fans.

I can't figure Revolver out. He just likes to fight and argue I think. He's alright at the end of it all though. A little mental flexibility would go a long way for him I think lol.

UNC Charlotte Alum (but a vol fan LOL)

Written on Mike Strange: Bubble watch shines spotlight on Vols, SEC tournament:

in response to sdjc#587498:

I hope you are right but dont think the SEC gets the respect it deserves. It may be a little backlash from conference football success. Besides that the other teams bring down the six who may deserve to be in tourney

I really don't want to sound like some of the other posters that get on here to bash. That's not my intent. The truth is though that the SEC is not a great basketball conference. I'm not sure they deserve to get five teams in and I'm not convinced UT deserves to get in (unless they make a run in the tournament of course) based on the entire body of work. That being said I hope UT gets in and kicks Arse!

Written on John Adams: No Michael Dyer, even if UT in dire need:

in response to VOLSONTHECOMEBACK:

You guys that are dogging our current running backs need to get your facts straight. Rajon Neal and Malin Lane were both 4 star highly rated running backs in high school and both weigh over 210 pounds. Rajon Neal also runs track for UT and electronically got clocked at a 4.36. That's as fast or faster than any elite running back in the SEC. Rajon Neal averaged 4.5 yards per carry and Marlin Lane averaged 5.5. I agree with you that our production in the running game is not near as effective as it should be. However, it improved nearly 60 more yards per game than 2011. I think the biggest problem is that both our offensive line and running backs have not been consistent. There is no question that our O-linemen are elite pass blockers, but they have struggled against elite competition opening up running lanes. Our running backs have also showed times of greatness and times where they looked like freshmen in high school. Our running backs need to take advantage of the holes that are open rather than trying bounce outside and make a 70 yard touchdown. This is the SEC. You can't make a living bouncing to the outside in hope that you will outrun an NFL defensive end and outside linebacker, unless you're Chris Johnson. You guys need to stop dogging our running backs until you get your facts straight. It's not just our running backs. Our offensive line has struggled also.

I'm with you 100%! Sadly facts are not often taken into account here. I say let's play with what we've got unless a player without (known) issues comes along that can help.

Written on John Adams: No Michael Dyer, even if UT in dire need:

in response to formerflgranny:

First, I think Dyer should be allowed to visit and let him meet adams face to face and then make a decision on if he would be a good fit at Tennessee.

That is making the assumption that it really matters or that we even care if Adams approves or not.

Personally, I don't bash Adams, but he's a sports editorial writer and not a decision maker for UT or the community.

Written on Tyler Bray to participate in Gruden QB Camp:

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

As does Sham Newton, Mike Vick and some other prominent names in the NFL..I can remember many NFL starters acting immature off/on the field. Stabler, Meredith, Gabriel, Grogan, Namath, Fouts, Capp, White, Pasterini, Cunningham, Williams, Bradshaw, Collins, Rothlesberger, Leaf, and McNair.

Bradshaw is still immature at 98:-) I think that's how old he is anyway.

Written on Tyler Bray to participate in Gruden QB Camp:

in response to FanNotSheep:

Bray had Hunter and C.P. and an offensive line that could pass protect, but as for a team, he had nothing like Peyton did. No stud running backs, no defense to put him in great field position or erase a bad throw. Chaney was good but not as good as Cutcliffe.

Maturity? Remember when Peyton nearly ruined his career with stupid pranks with the female assistant in the locker room? Was that behavior any more mature than throwing a beer bottle at a car?

Tyler Bray may or may not have success in the NFL, but he has the arm, the intelligence, the height and the guts to be really good. Depends on the team he lands on, who is in front of him, who will be coaching him and who will have his blind side.

Heath Shuler not only had a bad coach and poor pass protection with the Redskins, he just wasn't that bright. Bray has the tools and I predict he will do well. Check back in a few years and we will see who was right.

HAHA- so if you're not intelligent enough to play football for a living.... Become a U.S. congressman. YIKES!

Written on John Adams: Recent history reveals a new Tennessee rival :

Dang, really slow news day? Vandy has had a few good years in football. They've had blips like this before now. UT is at an all time low for as long as I have been following them (1990). They are natural rivals because they are in conference in the same state. Beyond that one or two wins in football does not a true rivalry make. It is easier to see the parity in basketball however, but you have to take into account that totally F'ed up gym Vandy has that gives them an even greater home court advantage IMO. So there's my 2 cents worth. Beyond that I could care less about Vandy. Inconsequential even in the best ever years of it's football existence.

Written on UT self-reports 10 violations in athletics since August:

in response to CheekMustGo:

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What about your guns that control a tyrannical and overpowering government. I don't have any guns, but if I did, that would be the kind I would have. That's the kind our founders actually meant for us to keep and to bear in the 2nd amendment.

Now back to our regularly scheduled sports discussion LMAO!

Written on UT self-reports 10 violations in athletics since August:

in response to westknoxrepub:

Well if we're consistant in how we fire Basketball coaches around here, Martin would be gone yesterday.

Did I miss something? When did Martin lie to the NCAA?

Written on UT self-reports 10 violations in athletics since August:

in response to PUL4VOLS:

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING....the NCAA infractions' committee, armed and dangerous! I wonder why so close an eye is on the Volunteer programs HUM...!

Self reported violations. They seem so ridiculous to me lol. But.... Whatever.

Written on David Climer: Vols' Butch Jones faces challenge with SEC recruiting:

in response to Rumblefish:

Hi Dragon. My only contention with your post is the attendance #'s. They might be the # of tickets sold, but definitely NOT the actual attendance. Additionally...attendance includes the vendors, ushers, even the REF's!! Also...I was at all of those games....and I can assure you, the Troy, Mizzou, KY #'s are WAY inflated. No way there was much more than 70k fans in the stadium. FL and Bama were decently packed, and your #'s there might be about right.

But for those last 3 games....Neyland was lucky to be just over half full.

They are attendance numbers provided at UTsports.com. They were the only numbers I could find and they are not tickets sold. I can't verify the numbers but at least researched to get an official attendance figure from an official source. I should have sourced it in my post. I guess my biggest gripe comes from people that don't even know or research what they pass off as facts.

Thanks for the input though. We all know that the program is a shadow of what it was in the mid to late 90s and that the past 5 years in particular have been unbearable. I just don't think you make a negative a positive by creating more negative. And in the post that prompted my reply I truly mean CREATING because nothing he said was factual.

Written on David Climer: Vols' Butch Jones faces challenge with SEC recruiting:

in response to gc_scvol:

Dragon, Thanks for your post. You are factual in all respects. However you are handing out sandwiches in the cemetary, trying to get 6587ZERO to understand. He's just wanting attention and not really worthy of your time, or mine. Just "Suggest Removal".

Yeah, I get that. But I get so frustrated sometimes with some of these guys. I also wonder if some of the others read that garbage and buy into it? I have high hopes for Jones and this staff and really don't want the train to be derailed before it leaves the station because of some vocal minority that can't even post proper facts.

Thanks, I just felt the need to rant for a moment LOL.

Written on David Climer: Vols' Butch Jones faces challenge with SEC recruiting:

in response to volthrunthru#658770:

UT's class...which averages approximately 2.5 stars each...ranks WAAAAAYYYYYY down the line, in the SEC;

but many on these online sites act as if pointing out the class ranks far too low to be able to beat the big boys week-in-week-out,

which a Tennessee team must do, to win championships, is disloyal.

Dumb fans, mediocre recruiting, questionale coaches, a schedule so weak half the games are not even on regional TV, and 70,000 in a stadium designed for 100,000+ are not a recipe for a Top 10 national ranking. And getting your rear handed to you by teams which out-recruited you and are just as dedicated to discipline and winning as you, is an assurance of future mediocre-recruiting-at-best...

Truly this is one of the most assinine and inaccurate posts I have read in some time. I will start with the 2.5 star rating. The 24/7 COMPOSITE (meaning a blend of 5 major sites) has the Vols at 3.19 stars. Hardly the 2.5 stars that you report. As for attendance, here are the numbers:
Ga State- 87,821
Fla- 102,455
Akron- 81,719
Alababama- 102,455
Troy- 84,189
Missouri- 89,272
Kentucky- 81,841

This gives you an average attendance of 89,964. Your number is 30% off. Please fact check yourself A-hole.
I will grant you that Tennessee finished 10th in the SEC in recruiting, but it is not the gloom and doom that you point out. The one team that is continually being pointed to in our recruiting woes is Vanderbilt and they were ranked one spot higher in one poll because they signed 5 more players than UT. In the 24/7 Composite they were ranked 5 spots behind UT. What gets overlooked is that the quality of player Vanderbilt signed is much lower than UT. UT Composite stars 3.19, Vanderbilt is 3.03.

It's one thing to post inflammatory comments. It's altogether different to make things up and post them. You call the fans dumb, But to me the DUMBEST thing you can do is to post things that you just make up. You sir have no credibility and are a complete moron. I for one have had enough of your type of "fan" and I will from this point forward post the facts to refute your idiotic posts.

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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NP and thanks

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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ReVOLver that is your deal man. You jump to argument and really an excessive amount of vitriole with people who often times are saying the same thing you are. You even reached a point that you wanted to challenge BB to a physical confrontation over a stupid post page. I've been yanking your chain because you insulted me when I freaking agreed with you. So anyway, I'm done. I apologize for saying some of the things I said.

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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Oh no! to the contrary! I'm sure you were a stud the way you took it to the house and all.

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

Check your personal messages on GVX..There you will find all the info I referenced earlier..as far as Beech Bluff goes, I'm a transplant to this area. I was raised in mid-town Jackson TN and attended JCM as well as St Mary's/Highland Park/Tigrett Jr High. So, unless you know someone in Jackson (a real Jacksonian) don't expect me to know them or them to know me..Just a thought..PS: from your tone I can tell you probably never played organized fb and if you did play at Northside or Southside HS you were probably never offered a scholly to play ball anywhere..So, insulting MSU/UM is a laugh when they never inquired about letter of intents at your home.

BB he finally came clean. No coaching change ever disrupted the playing time of a quality player in high school. On top of that he shows his true character by quitting instead of working through his difficulty. I played a year at Appalachian before I washed out and I know what it means to be a D1 athlete in football (I'm not one even though I tried). I believe he should choose to let this one go as he is in over his head.

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

in response to UTvols33:

Even when he talks smack he ends it with "-UT Alumnus," Ridiculous.

I can prove you didn't play sports because all the other kids would have run right by you while you were trying to calculate the correct angle of pursuit to take in your head.

"Uh, if Stevie=x and I am Y, and he is running at 11 miles per hour, and he needs to go....."

Touchdown Stevie!

Too funny! At the end of all his calculations he still got the angle wrong to boot!

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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Haha Stupid Shite! why is it that no one can understand WTH you say and yet the rest of us are the ones not out of grammar school?

Yep, Narcissistic sociopathic behavior. Self denial and everyone else around you is wrong. I can refer you to some really solid Psychiatrists in your area that could do wonders for your skewed view on people and life. I can also refer you to some orthos as it sounds like you'll need one if you actually take BB up on your idiotic challenge.

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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Mark Williams the gay actor that played in Shakespeare in Love and the Harry Pooter movies.

(OK, I really don't know if he's gay or not it just made the post funnier)

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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Be careful here BB. A-hole is baiting you to get angry. Just goes to show what a jerk he truly is.

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

Why do I get the feeling that BB may be an ex-UT player or at least an ex-collegiate player? Believe I would like to see that too. How about we do something with this for a charity? We can create a new charity to help cranky old bastards and their bad attitudes. This can be the inaugural fundraiser. We'll call it 45ReVOLver syndrome awareness or some other catchy name. Any suggestions?

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

He's a putz..I would bet at age 51 I could line up and pancake his arse right now..He's got many delusions and denials. He's good at diagnosing everyone but himself.

I believe Narcissist is the clinical term LMAO.

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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Dumb Arse, we are the two guys that have agreed with what you have been trying to say. If we proved you wrong we would be proving ourselves wrong. We just think you're a cranky old bastard.

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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GEEZ... You're a jerk even when I'm trying to agree with you.

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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Haha!!! Revolver you are right from a mathematical perspective. I've always wondered how pursuit angles actually worked out unless the pursuer is faster. The pursuer is in fact covering more distance than the runner if he (the pursuer) is on the angle. The fact is though proper pursuit angles often lead to making down field tackles. It's just a mystery of football that defies mathematics LMAO!!!

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

I just read a comment that our roster is not in a place to compete in this conference. I had to take a moment to think about that and I have concluded the following. We have a few spots of glaring weakness, My biggest concern is our defensive line. That could be the spot that would validate the comment. I can't decide if our defensive backs are truly a weakness or if they were out of position often last year. they were actually adequate the year prior. I think that overall our roster is woefully inadequate to win an SEC championship, but I think it is overall adequate to compete and to win 7 (maybe 8) games next year. I believe we will be able to score plenty next year and I believe our defense will be back to the level it was in 2011. Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I think we could be a bit better than not being able to compete.

Written on In Knoxville, Butch Jones, John Jancek talk up defense to fans hungry for improvement :

in response to MOD_4_MY_DAY_JOB:

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IGNORANCE!!! Why do certain people post factually incorrect information to make a fictitious point? Sorry MOD I haven't seen many posts from you so this is geared toward most of the others but you are guilty of posting something that is just not true, or atleast skewed to make an impression that is not accurate. We signed 21 players, we had one two star recruit, the rest were all 3 and 4 stars. our average star rating was 3.2 which is higher than both of the schools you referenced. If the goal is to be negative, at least be factual in your post otherwise please keep quiet.

Written on Butch Jones says Vols were 'selective' :

in response to JBVols1698:

I'm so tired of you idiots. TRUE VOL FAN HERE. TRUE VOL FAN WHO HATES GOING 2-14 IN THE SEC THE LAST 2 YEARS.

TRUE VOL FAN THAT ISN'T POSITIVE ABOUT BEING IRRELEVANT!

TRUE VOL FAN WHO ACTUALLY STOOD UP AND YELLED AT THE KENTUCKY GAME

TRUE VOL FAN WHO IS TIRED OF LISTENING TO YOU IDIOTS TELL ME I'M NOT.

I think you love UT. You're just a half educated loud mouth blowhard who can't put your negativity on the shelf to support your team. I think others define being a fan as a person who SUPPORTS the program. You are not supporting the program with your continuous idiotic rants.

Written on A road map for getting back: Study shows Vols' fall from glory years:

in response to Rumblefish:

oh my god....are you actually saying that coaching stabilty and building relationships are necessary for recruiting????

holy c.r.a.p. thank you "AllforTenn". We would have never known. Your insight is unlike no other. you are so smart.

You do this type of study to get very specific information to develop a very specific plan going forward. Of course we as fans see much of what is concluded by the article of what's in the report, but we also do not see the whole report and what more of the specific conclusions happen to be. If you read the article you would see that UT did not share the entire study. I can assure you that there is some damning information in there on internal athletic department practices and failures. Please don't asume that you the University is pissing away funds based upon this really basic info that has been reported.

Written on Bell, Lawson head big prospects Vols still wooing:

in response to CheekMustGo:

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Glad to hear you are done! Now you can slink off somewhere and not try to bring the rest of us down that see the incredible effort and result that Jones is bringing. You crack on the 2 star, but the kid is very athletic and may be coached up to be something special. Other than that every other commit is a 3 or 4 star. Our player rating is higher than many top 15 teams we just don't have the numbers....yet.

So please- go away and come back when you are educated on what's really going on here.

Written on Vonn Bell enjoys his visit to UT:

HerbertComacho and Foibles... What is wrong with you guys? The jury is obviously still out on what these coaches can do, but please tell us what you would be doing right at this moment to get these recruits to Tennessee? I get the sense that these coaches are really doing extraordinary things to just get in on some of these bigtime recruits. It's so easy to jeer from the peanut gallery, it's much more difficult to be solution driven. I would love for both of you to quit saying what UT and the AD SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE, and begin telling us what they SHOULD BE DOING. And please keep it within the bounds of reason. Hiring a 5 Mil a year coach is not feasible for UT at the moment. Just tell us what would you guys would be doing differently with all your wisdom and experience from an execution perspective to revive the program. CBJ and his group are putting in the work in a big way. I would like to see if it yields results before the trashing begins.

Written on David Climer: Vols staff looks close to home for recruits:

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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I typically try to not dive down into arguments on line like this. I think if you read my original post you will see that I state that you can ABSOLUTELY coach speed, quickness and agility. I used to make a living doing just that. My only point where you and I disagree is that athletes differ in how effectively they utilize fast twitch muscle fiber. Your posts would indicate that if a 4.9 forty guy works really hard he can eventually become a 4.4 guy. Whereas that is not outside the realm of possibility, It is HIGHLY unlikely unless the kid runs that 4.9 while totally out of condition and 50lbs overweight. My point is that genetics matter when it comes to speed and quickness. Given the precision of training in the SEC currently it will be difficult for the 3* athlete to make up that ground on the 5* athlete regardless of how hard he works or how much heart he has. But let's be clear about this too, a player may run a slower 40 or shuttle run time but play very fast. There are other intangibles outside of purely physical attributes that make players great. Just look at UT's defense this past year. They are actually reasonably fast players (not fast enough) but they played like they were running in sand the entire season because they were so bogged down with thinking and slowed reaction.
So, in summary, I fully agree that speed can be coached. But fast is fast and not all athletes are created equal. the fast that work hard will always be faster than the not as fast that work equally as hard.

Written on David Climer: Vols staff looks close to home for recruits:

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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Uhhhhh.... OK. I'm left almost speechless by your intellect and level of understanding on this issue. You have certainly crafted some sort of an argument:-)

Written on David Climer: Vols staff looks close to home for recruits:

in response to 45ReVOLver:

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Both of you are technically correct. ReVOLver is correct that there are many drills, exercises and techniques that can maximize speed and quickness. That being said, athletes are endowed with X amount of fast twitch fiber and each athlete is different. I think what Antonio was trying to say is that a player with a faster forty or shuttle run time than another, given similar training, will always have a faster forty and shuttle run time. You can bust your butt to be the best you can be, but you are naive to believe genetics are not a factor. Now, If a player in high school runs a 4.6 forty and has not had the benefit of a serious SAQ program, he has room to make up ground on many of these athletes that have been hitting D1 or Johnny Long's or some other similar venue. I would hope that coaches take some of that into account when recruiting these players. Anyway that is my 2 cents worth. Oh and just for credibility sake I will add that I am/was an ACSM (American College of Sports Medicine) certified trainer although I am no longer in the industry.

Written on David Climer: Vols staff looks close to home for recruits:

in response to HopeisNotaCourseofAction:

Stars do matter, and if you don't believe it go look up where alabubba finished in one recruiting service three of the last 4 years - answer - #1. And yes coaching and heart are important, but saban ain't winning these NCs with 2 and 3* players.

When we lose 42-13 year in and year out, when his 5* WR gets beind our 3* DB or his 5* RB runs over, thru or just outruns our 3* LBs, that is not all coaching or heart. That is size, speed and God given athletic ability. Can't coach those.

Patrick Willis (and agree we missed him) notwithstanding, the 4&5*s are likely more proportionally represented in the NFL than all the others combined. The recruiting services are not perfect, but there must be some agreement by the top SEC coaches since well over half their players are 4&5*.

And yes, I saw uf get their tails handed to them in the bowl game, and upsets do happen, but consistently winning week in and week out in the SEC requires the hosses - on the field. Rudy can win one or maybe two, but the top tier players are needed in the SEC to be a top tier team.

And as it stands now in one recruiting service, lsu is #4 with 18 of 26 commits rated as 4/5*; ua is #3 with 14 of 21 rated 4/5*; nd is #2 with 17 of 22 4/5*; and uf is #1 with 16/26 rated 4/5*. Even uga is 9th with 15/29 4*.

In the NC game nd lost so bad cuz their recruiting the past 4 years was not even in the top 10, and in the 20s 2 of those years. They got lucky in a couple of their games to be undefeated and it was clear they were not even a top 10 team that night, but when Herbstreet kept saying he never saw nd miss so many tackles, it was clear to most, they were not used to playing that level of talent.

Our coaching is upgraded now and thank goodness for it, and they have it very tough coming in so late, but if we come in with four 4*s this year, who are we gaining on in talent? Coaching em up and getting 3* players with heart gets us from 5-7 to 7-5. Still won't be competitive with the top tier teams we have on our schedule every year.

Very Good realistic post. Especially the part about missed tackles. One tenth of a second is the difference between a tackle and a miss. That is the difference between a 5* player and a 3* player with heart. The 3* with heart will try like he77 as he misses that tackle. I'm afraid you are spot on with most every point you make.

Written on David Climer: Vols staff looks close to home for recruits:

in response to whatthe84:

This is the reason our Vols are in the situation they are in right now. The recruiting has been terrible for a long time. We can talk about recruiting nationally all we want but you must take the best instate players and you must recruit them and make them feel you want them. Over the last few years we have missed on many instate players and signed many out of state players that turned out to be duds (Bryce Brown and J. Jackson) just to name two. We have missed on many instate players and Dooly was burning down the bridges to the high schools instate. It appears Jones is smart enough to realize that he must develop and maintain relationships with high schools and the coaches throughout the state and neighboring states. It will take time to turn around this wrong approach. We currently have a stable of mismatched slow players who will have to begin the process of trying to restore a winning tradition. I for one hope Jones is the man for the job and we begin to see glimmers of hope as we move forward. I hope our fan base will give him the support and time he will need to accomplish this difficult task. I think this will take a long time personally but we will begin to see if his approach is a winning approach. Dooly was a complete failure in winning and turning the program around. His recruiting was abysmal and his management style was horrible the fact that his staff turned over like it did was clear evidence of that. Really he did not have a clue on how to win. Every time he had a chance to win a big game he found a way to lose it. I think we remained stagnant or regressed under his watch, certainly our lean stable of players is evident of his failure. Jones will begin the process of making chicken salad out of chicken *&^%. Good luck coach Jones we support you and look forward to better days.

I agree with you that Dooley did not know how to win. That was evident in many late game decisions that he made (or didn't make). I will have to disagree that the program in general is in worse shape than when he took over. It is in better shape now. It is still far from where it needs to be and the departure of the 3 major offensive threats will not help. However, I am really excited about CBJ and the way he has hit the ground running. I feel like this guy is a winner and has that "it" quality as a coach. he has surely had it in the past, We'll just need to wait and see if it translates to SEC play.

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