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"Kool-Aid was the drink of the day." Really? "....And suitable for the Big Orange Caravan, too."
It was peaceful and quiet for a couple of weeks while John regrouped...but, unfortunately, he is back.
There is nothing wrong with writing an article praising anything. There is nothing wrong with being a skeptic. Many consistently do both. Few consistently mix each style and reach the sportswriters hall of fame; even in Knoxville.
Think JA really didn't link "Jones" and "Kool-Aid" on purpose?
Again, a mixed message and very poor taste. Some remember the "other Jones" and tragically, the "real Kool-Aid."
Not a conspiracy theory believer nor one to think everything is rotten in Denmark. That said, this has not been handled well. If, under privacy issues, nothing can be said, the administration should make sure nothing is said. If that is the case, how can the truth be worse...for all concerned...than this vague, contradicting info? Just leads to negative views regarding all concerned. If he was dismissed, just say so. If he chose to leave, just say so. Reasons are only for the detail thirsty but Volunteer fans...and the public, for that matter, are entitled to straight talk. This involves a performer in the circus we support.
Headlines sort of misleads this rehash of old news. He went through the process. He wants the NBA. The NBA does not want him right now. The sad part is that he entertained those ideas. Although he had a few great games, all those watching those games could have told him he is not ready to bang it with the big boys. IF he works and IF he has a productive year....maybe. IF he does those things, WE have a chance to be better.
The Pat/Geno exchanges speak for themselves, are upbeat and should be the end of the story. On other stories, many Vol fans continue to bash Conn and their coach, and without fact, continue the conspiracy stuff from the past. Conn pulled something that upset Pat. I have from other sources been told Geno was a snake and in the wrong. That said, if it involved NCAA violations, CPS would have been obligated to report it...and that did not happen. Old news.
No reason not to move forward; the coaches seem to have. Congratulate them (Conn) and support us (Vols).
Here's the thing: CPS (it could be said) made women's college basketball. She started a program,won, won again and became the standard for any/all women's bb teams. Many of her eight NC came before Conn started theirs. Lately, Conn has been able to attract the talent, coach them and win with them....more than any other single team. Hats off to them. Can we still do it? We have as good a chance as any. On the other hand, it still takes the players and Conn has seemed able to out recruit us for a while. We have to learn to win with what we have or can recruit...until we can, again, become the "in" place for players to want to come.
The Lady Vol program not only raised the bar; it created it. Others have just caught up. If others can do it better than we can, now, more power to them. We had our day...and very well can again.
I guess it will never stop. Yeah, Fulmer had declining years, last couple of seasons. Guess what: Neyland had down years; go check before he gave in and went two platoon. Wyatt slumped but had two or three great years. Dickey did not win year one. Majors was spotty. No one is perfect...so...by some people's standards, Tennessee has never been a "winner," there is no tradition and...what is it we strive to be?
Fulmer is gone and what he accomplished is equal to any UT head coach. Not to respect him is to negate the NC and those conference championships. As others point out..can't have it both ways.
Sad; guess we must blame Fulmer. Really, carrying this story in Knoxville as reported in a Chattanooga paper of an occurance in Alabama seems a stretch of relevant news. Realistically, it is what it is but does not make it necessary. What else did members of the '98 team do today...; worthwhile stuff that merits our knowing? Thirteen years, or so, would seem past the statue of limitations for this type news to be fed us.
I vote that no action be taken. His teams have performed above average (Think of all Div I teams that have not done as well) but have not performed above expectations. If someone wants to pay him more to go elsewhere...that is a chance the University takes; it would apparently please many, if that happened.
Many current detractors likely were among those who dissented when he was hired. Not a big name, not a frenzied man in motion like Pearl and not a white man. Like it or not, admit it or not, many judge him on those perceived shortcomings. Some would find fault if he won the NC.All that said, again, he has won but not met fan's expectations. Rework the contract when he does and give due credit for the things he has accomplished.
The first poster said it all: "What is the point of this article"? It is as irrelevant as reporting a history professor will make $97,500 or the CEO of the TVA will earn $2,350,000...or whatever. Coaches salaries are absurd, yet fans will complain if they are successful and move on to greener pastures that we did not pay enough. A pointless factoid that stirs up pointless debate.
The waterfront has been covered. Everybody has on opinion of Mr. QB. What has sort of been missing is a critique of the article, itself. I think all the factors that draw negative attention to Bray were well laid out; the writer did not make a convincing argument to refute most of the assumptions.
That said, Bray is a man with talent who has not shown a convincing leadership mindset to give that talent a chance to excel. He did little to make others around him better. It would appear it is up to him, which route he chooses. He will get drafted. He will get a look. He will have an opportunity for a pro career. He will have to overcome all those correctly perceived attributes....in front of team mates, coaches...and fans, to realize his potential. Even odds. I would not bet against him...nor on him. I abstain.
Trae is still wondering why they "did not make it"? That is perhaps part of the problem: They (Vols bb players) seem to think they are better than their record, results, style of play and those watching think they are. He just needs to watch the last couple of season games, SEC and NIT tournament games again and perhaps he will get it. Trae, you and your buddies played well at times, but at many other critical times, you just did not get it done. Figure out why. Don't waste time worrying why others see you as you are and not as you think you are. Win, play winning basketball forty minutes of every game and the rest will take care of itself.
"...you have got to have the mindset to defend" Hasn't Coach had two years to develope that mindset? Likely to do so in another year?
Lots of comments about the players not thinking this game important, no interest, letdown from not making NCAA, etc. It seemed they had no clue how to stop basic basketball...and incapable of adjustment during the game. Again, they have had all season to develope a clue or two. These guys are getting paid to perform. Yes, paid. Room, boared, tuition and the perks that go with being part of a team and surrounding that is Tennessee. Assembly line workers, dishwashers, teachers, doctors do not/cannot take a shift off. It should be beyond imagination that these players think that way. It is the coaches responsibility to assure they play or sit....or take their attitude and poor performance elsewhere. Better that an outgunned team loses, if they do their best than a team with talent win...if they do not consistently play as if they care.
We spent the week whinning about being snubbed. We gave the invitors...and others..valid reasons to say, "I told you so." Not much left to say except that it is what it is. We played some good games and too many poor ones, tonight included. A good team, and one worthy of being in the NCAA wins tonight and over half of those we lost. Not much more to say about this year. One can hope for a more consistent effort next year. This team must look in the mirror and admit they just did not strap it on every night.
This age-old argument presents valid points from all quarters. Those teams left out usually have blemishes. Half of all teams will lose in the first round....some by large margins. An argument is voiced that the SEC gets snubbed, or...this or that team was dropped to "send a message." Many conference champions or at large teams have no business in a National Championship "playhoff." But...that is what we have and everyone knows that going in. So, to remove all argument, a team simply has to win. And, win consistently and decisively. The Vols did not do that. It is an imperfect world, and to be a 16..or whatever bracket position and get sent home in the first found seems no great honor. The Vols can make a stronger case for their argument if they win the NIT; otherwise, they have no case.
Wow! Can anyone think of a cliche that John missed? I think I get it: we are in the tournament so we have a chance. Good to know. Good to have the history lesson repeated, also, as if we never heard if or witnessed it before.
Workers in all professions: assembly lines, lawyers, truck drivers, teachers..including most posters on this sight, work in a similar pay range but do not produce equally. Way of life. No different with our AD. Others have covered the subject of why are we interested, what is the point of this article or why should we care? Sure, it is "out of control." Probably was when the General was AD, in relation to faculty. It is what it is.
in response to I_Bleed_Orng: I don't care who you are thaz funny rat thar!! Always nice to see others bag on the simpleton reporting of KNS other than myself. Yes, I understand I am biting the hand that feeds me in that KNS sponsors this board and here I am (among others) bagging on them. But really, you've got to admit, more often than not it's amateur hour around here with the writing.
in response to I_Bleed_Orng:
I don't care who you are thaz funny rat thar!!
Always nice to see others bag on the simpleton reporting of KNS other than myself.
Yes, I understand I am biting the hand that feeds me in that KNS sponsors this board and here I am (among others) bagging on them. But really, you've got to admit, more often than not it's amateur hour around here with the writing.
Thanks. It is always a fair observation that those highly critical of KNS, its staff and their contributions should just abstain from reading. Acknowledging that premise, it is equally fair to expect a quality product; often, that is lacking. The KNS would maintain its right to be critical of UT sports programs..and often does. More often, it offers high school...or less...quality reports that are neither well researched, thought provoking or even newsworthy. It is fair, then, that its customers, we, the public hold them to the same expectations.
Yep; what you got now plus what you're going to get equals what you are going to have.
Sounds about right, KNS; thanks.
The comments thus far make sense; the poll does not. If this went national and we had four million responses...does not matter. Why, then, does KNS bother?
For the past five-six years, many voices have clamored to throw out the coaches, ... whoever they were, at the time. Every such voice must have understood that, if you throw out the coaches, you get to keep the obligations. We cannot now clamor at the cost since we clamored for the actions. It could be argued that the UT Athletic department simply yielded to public pressure. Now, we pay the piper.
And yes, we will see the replay as long as we open these pages to read them.
in response to jamgod: Listen, not sure what this beef you people have with John Adams as I have never thought any different of him than he is doing his job. And, when I get on hear and read things like you post, it just confirms that he is really good at his job actually. Stiring the emotions is a big part of journalism and from what I have read from you bozo's posts...he certainly can stir the emotions. Give the guy a break, he does what he is supposed to and real journalism is not going to please every body all the time...so yeah, I think John is doing a good job and telling it like it is...sometimes he agravates me to and that is a part of a good journalisms repatoire(sp?) Get over it and quit bashing him without any substance to back you up!
in response to jamgod:
Listen, not sure what this beef you people have with John Adams as I have never thought any different of him than he is doing his job. And, when I get on hear and read things like you post, it just confirms that he is really good at his job actually. Stiring the emotions is a big part of journalism and from what I have read from you bozo's posts...he certainly can stir the emotions. Give the guy a break, he does what he is supposed to and real journalism is not going to please every body all the time...so yeah, I think John is doing a good job and telling it like it is...sometimes he agravates me to and that is a part of a good journalisms repatoire(sp?) Get over it and quit bashing him without any substance to back you up!
You points are well reasoned, and no, we should not bash JA...or any writer without substance. Allow me to offer some:
What is a Senior Columnist? Sort of unclear. If he is an editorial writer, he is entitled to,, even expected to, voice his personal opinions. That could be understood and liked or not; fair game. If he is just a reporter, it should be the facts, maam, the facts. As substance, time after time, he mixes all this and one is left not knowing what his intent or point it. That, and he cannot report simple facts without a trace....obvious or slight...of sarcasm or negativity thrown in. He should not be a homer for UT or Knoxville athletics; reasonable readers understand that and do not expect that. (forget those who do). But, serving this market, he should at least be objective. The KNS is a Scrips-Howard paper; view their motto: "Give people light and they will find their own way." (or something close). If our Senior Columnist will give us the unvarnished facts (might take him some work, and require him to gain some cred...so he will have sources)most readers can figure "it"out for themselves. All that, and, compared with so many others, he is just not a very skilled writer, or he would not need the props of sarcasm and misplaced attempts at wit. Readers just deserve better.
If not substance, strong opinion.
I knock JA as much as anyone, and, I always think for good reason. This bland little piece was not his usual pot shots, but, as others point out, expecting negatives, one tends to read negatives into most anything he says.
That said, one just expects more from a "Senior Columnist." Here, nothing new, nothing not seen by anyone watching and nothing not reported on by Strange, or others. As usual, one is left feeling, "Nothing I did not already know," or, "He gets paid for this"?
in response to volthrunthru#658770: OwensboroVol... You are overlooking the obvious, in my opinion. Graham is a coach---who will not set fire to his future, and must live by the code of "omerta," regardless. So he will not state the obvious: a. This group of coaches is not SEC capable. He calls them "blue collar," praising them. That is to say they work hard, they are working stiffs, they spend a lot of time at work, working. That is to say they are not as high on the food chain as the SEC requires. They are Bum Phillips, not Bill Walsh or John Madden. They are Wade Houston, not Bruce Pearl or Ray Mears. They are Georgia basketball, not Kentucky (of lore) or Louisville. They are Anthony Parker, not Chad Cliffton or Harry Galbraith. They are a beige Ford Taurus, not a Black Mercedes, Deep Charcoal Black Cadillac or Ebony MarkVIII. They get you to your destination...but cannot keep up with the Steve Spurrier, Johnny Majors, Phillip Fulmer---and certainly not Nick Saban. Their resumes are a house painter with vanilla colored paint; the SEC is Picaso with Dayglow or Rembrandt with a color spectrum analyzer. And there is this inconvenient, uncomfortable fact for a football hero, who left a great position to come back to help a struggling program under a questionable coach at his alma mater--- Why the hexx are you paying me, a black coach, with half-a-dozen years in the NFL, an SEC all conference player, and an alumnus---30% less than a group of white bubbas of the Head Coach, only one of which has the qualifications I have, the experience I have; and none of which can come close to me in recruiting. And you have the gall to offer me a raise that puts me even with most of these coaches, when I tell you I have been offered a position at Florida State. That means you would have continued under-paying me, if I had not forced the issue with you. And you did not counter-offer Tee Martin, when Southern Cal gave him that sweet raise to try to keep him. Instead you let him---another black alum of UT---get away. Yet you paid and are paying a LOT more to coaches with less experience, qualifications or results compared to Tee and Me---both of whom helped produce Conference Championships for UT in the SEC, not at Central Michigan...and he helped deiver a national championship. So...OwensboroVol...would YOU want to stay in that kind of atmosphere...when you knew you were going to be working with a group that is not able to compete with half the staffs they face next year---and will have inferior talent, besides? Go figure, huh?
in response to volthrunthru#658770:
OwensboroVol...
You are overlooking the obvious, in my opinion. Graham is a coach---who will not set fire to his future, and must live by the code of "omerta," regardless. So he will not state the obvious:
a. This group of coaches is not SEC capable. He calls them "blue collar," praising them. That is to say they work hard, they are working stiffs, they spend a lot of time at work, working.
That is to say they are not as high on the food chain as the SEC requires. They are Bum Phillips, not Bill Walsh or John Madden. They are Wade Houston, not Bruce Pearl or Ray Mears. They are Georgia basketball, not Kentucky (of lore) or Louisville. They are Anthony Parker, not Chad Cliffton or Harry Galbraith. They are a beige Ford Taurus, not a Black Mercedes, Deep Charcoal Black Cadillac or Ebony MarkVIII.
They get you to your destination...but cannot keep up with the Steve Spurrier, Johnny Majors, Phillip Fulmer---and certainly not Nick Saban. Their resumes are a house painter with vanilla colored paint; the SEC is Picaso with Dayglow or Rembrandt with a color spectrum analyzer.
And there is this inconvenient, uncomfortable fact for a football hero, who left a great position to come back to help a struggling program under a questionable coach at his alma mater---
Why the hexx are you paying me, a black coach, with half-a-dozen years in the NFL, an SEC all conference player, and an alumnus---30% less than a group of white bubbas of the Head Coach, only one of which has the qualifications I have, the experience I have; and none of which can come close to me in recruiting.
And you have the gall to offer me a raise that puts me even with most of these coaches, when I tell you I have been offered a position at Florida State. That means you would have continued under-paying me, if I had not forced the issue with you.
And you did not counter-offer Tee Martin, when Southern Cal gave him that sweet raise to try to keep him. Instead you let him---another black alum of UT---get away. Yet you paid and are paying a LOT more to coaches with less experience, qualifications or results compared to Tee and Me---both of whom helped produce Conference Championships for UT in the SEC, not at Central Michigan...and he helped deiver a national championship.
So...OwensboroVol...would YOU want to stay in that kind of atmosphere...when you knew you were going to be working with a group that is not able to compete with half the staffs they face next year---and will have inferior talent, besides?
Go figure, huh?
Well thought out thesis. Why don't you follow this up with an analysis of all the assistants at Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida and A & M; the question will be: "How many years of SEC experience did they have when they first joined those staffs...or the head coach's staff..if they followed him there"?
Then, explain how that SEC experience served us with the Sal guy we had. Any coach...whoever..trying to turn around a losing program must find a way to win with what he has and what he can recruit. Most who become "SEC Level" first did it somewhere else. Spurrier, Saban, Meyer or Miles did not start at SC, AL, OSU or LSU. You just takes your chances; some work out, others do not. So it will be at UT
Never met Graham; he certainly was a good football player; he played for Tennessee. He was/is nothing more than our past running back coach.
We all hear the clamor for a "link to the past." We seem to think a lineage all the way to Neyland somehow convinces teenage kids who never heard of Johnny Majors, let alone The General. On top of that...with no criticism intended, I have never heard or read one word written about Graham as a coach. Play it back for me; when has it been mentioned that he affected our running attack...for the better or worse? Seems his work was rather anonymous last year.
So, Adams would have us believe we need a "token." I offer for consideration that any coach, who can coach, who will work hard to build relationships and can help us win is the right coach. Pedigree and color nothwithstanding.
Coach Graham just left us; so much for loyalty. Whoever we get....if he is good and if we are successful, someone else will want him. If that be the case, he will have left us better than when he arrived. Graham has not proven that in one year. Might have someday..but not yet. Big tears are not in order; just wish him well.
in response to Tennball: The difference in me and you is I respect my competition while you fear yours. To understand and learn from your competition is one of the best ways to win in the end. Thanks for the suggestion and, if free, I may head down that way. Trust me though, Coach Saban doesn’t need to speak at a small gathering in Athens, TN to boost his recruiting, his presence on the field is working just fine for him.
in response to Tennball:
The difference in me and you is I respect my competition while you fear yours. To understand and learn from your competition is one of the best ways to win in the end. Thanks for the suggestion and, if free, I may head down that way. Trust me though, Coach Saban doesn’t need to speak at a small gathering in Athens, TN to boost his recruiting, his presence on the field is working just fine for him.
Well said. The two sides of this argument is that one simply sees an opportunity to listen to a winner...and leader of a top program. The others seems to think this guy is out to "steal something that is ours," as if he doesn't have his entire staff already at it...assuming we have anything he wants.
As for this article...which starts it all, I guess Adams' valentine to his significant other said, "You sweat less than any fat girl I know." Even if he has a relevant, factual point, it must be delivered with sarcasm and a negative slant. As if an appearance by the coach of a national championship team at a Chamber of Commerce meeting is a problem.
Made up news about nothing...other than the good fortune for the folks in Athens. (My hometown of long ago.) Any city in any state in the union should welcome the coach of a national championship team; to throw stones and to hiss "traitors" is just inferiorty and short sightedness. When our coach wins one, he or she will be sought after far and wide. And will make the journey(s) when practical. In those circumstances, we would be proud and would just consider it the good fortune for those in the audience....in whatever state.
Why not check the record: in what states did Pat Summitt visit after NC years? Did we (then) welcome the disrespect of the natives so lucky as to share some of her time?
Guess Adams woke up and noticed a hot one on some internet site.
Interesting and valid points on both sides. It is rather disturbing that we let the likes of John Adams set the agenda for our program. The "character" issue should affect behavior on our campus and not necessarily every moment of a teenager's life, up to this point. If we expect to win in the SEC, we must cast a wide enough net to capture some talent; as with fishing, there is the risk of some throwbacks. Fans on this site always compare out coaching and talent with Alabama; review the story about the hoods recently having a little too much fun. We cannot have it both ways: recruit only choir boys or win some games. Having "character" on a team means weeding out the bad ones, not avoiding a chance to change the life of a potential good one. A good coaching staff can strike that balance; Adams is an unrealistic choice to write the rules on this issue. He commits literary felony most every day.
Two things: Adams seems to set the mandate for the class of 2014, as if the current staff could not figure out their needs. Fact is, the class of 2013 is not finished, and the coaches will be working on that. First things first.
Then, there is the constant adage that "....we will never be able to recruit until we win...." If that is true, Jones has as good a chance as would Saban, Meyer or Lombardi. A known and respected writer opined the other day that, "...no coach has ever been able to turn around a down program unless he can find a way to win with what he can recruit." This it the answer to what comes first: win or recruit. We must win with whatever we get, and that can never be preordained. We must let it play out; there is no other choice.
Points well made; little gratutious sarcasm; factual discussion of the issue.
What was new or what was said that we did not know? ??
Here's an original thought for Mr. Adams: if General Washington could get it done at Valley Forge, surely our Volunteers can come back. Or, Sgt. York, in WWI; Or, Audie Murphy in WWII. Or, just a "Win one for the Gipper speech." As oft pointed out above, talk about the obvious! Maybe KNS should restrict him to one column a week; better chance of getting a good one. Or, greater chance we would have less bad ones.
Let's see: In an economy move, the UT Board of Trustees appoint JA Athletic Director and acting Head Football and Women's Basketball coaches. With the latent managerial skills he obviously possesses, our teams will win, the sun will shine, tickets will be sold and the hall of fame awaits!.
If I get the point of his little piece, Pat had it all wrong and what worked for all those National Championships is suspect. Injuries happen; just check around, Mr. Adams. We have had our unfair share, for sure, but this suggestion on the heels of visiting recruits in an ambulance makes this a stellar week for insightful thought.
I assume everyone adding "likes" to Dooley's career left Harvard, are at the top of their profession and never had a career set-back. Otherwise, seems a lot of bricks are being tossed out of glass houses.
Dooley was not successful in the W-L column at UT and a change needed to be made. It was made. Don't recall him kicking anybody's dog, abandoning his loaner Lexus along the road or secretly riding double on his Harley.
He is gone; he was not a bad person; he very likely will out succeed most of us, before he is done. He is not our news anymore so we should let it rest.
What does Adams' headline imply? We should supply a courtesy car to any 4 star, or above? "What kind of 'ride' would you like? Lexus? Escalade? Suburban with dark windows?"
Worse, the little play on words does not warn us of the ingredients...which are harmful to ones health. Just JA being JA.
I see many did not like this article. I sort of thought it among his least offensive. With all the nit-picking NCAA rules and regulations, it would seem they would cut out this juvenile dog and pony show recruits put on. It has become a media circus...and it is human nature to want the spotlight. Sign the contract, send it in and show up at enrollment time. Cut out all the cap nonsense.
Another stupid poll; guess it fills space. Also guess it accomplishes nothing, as the majority is "not sure."
As for the view that TN will never attract quality players until they "win," this implies that Saban, Meyer or Lombardi could not convince them to come, either. That said, then, Jones would seem to have an equal chance to suceed as would anyone else. A salesman can sell, in any environment; some salesmen cannot coach and some coaches cannot..... It will just have to play itself out, but looking at the glass half full as opposed to half empty is an equally sound logic.
Upon further review, I had to read in a Chattanooga on-line site that Len Kosmalski will be honored as a "SEC Legend" this year at the SEC tournament. Pity KNS could not have posted this bit of positive news rather than this police blotter bit about a hoodlum dropout.
in response to easleychuck: You are, of course, correct. But then the KNS does not get a sexy story out of it. Just an opportunity to throw the school into the limelight right at the time parents and players are making their decisions where to attend school. When all it really is about is a kid who had the opportunity of a lifetime, coninuing on a downward path. He failed as a student. Now he may very well fail as a human being if he does not get some help. But this is somehow the UT football program's fault, right KNS.
in response to easleychuck:
You are, of course, correct. But then the KNS does not get a sexy story out of it.
Just an opportunity to throw the school into the limelight right at the time parents and players are making their decisions where to attend school.
When all it really is about is a kid who had the opportunity of a lifetime, coninuing on a downward path.
He failed as a student. Now he may very well fail as a human being if he does not get some help. But this is somehow the UT football program's fault, right KNS.
Nothing more needs saying, unless there could be one thousand "likes." As of now, this person had no connection to the UT football program nor the university. Hence, no reason for this posting on this site.
in response to murrayvol: "own it." No kidding. This is a grrrrrreat story and MT can make it even better with the Couric interview if he's got some good writers in his posse. Maybe there's a grassy knoll in there somewhere.
in response to murrayvol:
"own it." No kidding. This is a grrrrrreat story and MT can make it even better with the Couric interview if he's got some good writers in his posse.
Maybe there's a grassy knoll in there somewhere.
Bones may never lie, but they can land on the wrong side of the truth. Bit by bit, word for word, as this story developes, it has verfied that MT was the victim of a hoax ("hoe-ax", as the late Lewis Gizzard used to say) and guilty of nothing more than naive and misguided romantic activities. Are all of us qualified to throw stones? That said, I cling to earlier assertions that this is a non-story, was from the start, Adams should be penalized for late hit/piling on and we all should be ashamed for killing time thinking about this.
Adams' story sucks on so many levels: first, in two weeks, it will not interfere with the Super Bowl. Second, Ray Lewis has nothing in common with nor any connection to the T'eo story; why bring him in? Finally, a pox on us all for being interested. For this to generate more headline space in South Bend than any event since WWII says it all: how low have we sunk? Do we crave this stuff, so..the media feeds us or, does the media just feed us knowing we crave it. Either way, a shame. A careful analysis of the facts known and the time line, would show there is no valid reason for all the conspiracy theories. There was a clamor for T'eo to speak, so...he spoke but not as everyone seems to have wanted so we are not satisfied. There was uproar because he did not "come forward" for almost forty eight hours; who sets the "come forward" rules? Adams, and others of his ilk?
With all there is on earth to worry about, a football player having an on-line relationship with someone who types back...or not...does not warrant front page material in Indiana or sports page material in Knoxville. Does it?
in response to iowavol: Good post. I love the folks coming on here and saying that they are the ones who can see that Adams is only telling the truth and that EVERYBODY else is wrong for seeing what Adams is really all about - which is far from the truth. It doesn't take a genius to point out the obvious and it doesn't take a lot of hard work to be a rabble rouser pointing out the obvious faults. Adams has always been about creating descent because that's the easiest thing to do - misery loves company is an age old truism.
in response to iowavol:
Good post. I love the folks coming on here and saying that they are the ones who can see that Adams is only telling the truth and that EVERYBODY else is wrong for seeing what Adams is really all about - which is far from the truth. It doesn't take a genius to point out the obvious and it doesn't take a lot of hard work to be a rabble rouser pointing out the obvious faults. Adams has always been about creating descent because that's the easiest thing to do - misery loves company is an age old truism.
Agree. The complaint against JA should not be that he "seems" against the Vols. While it would seem self serving if he was, neither is he apparently paid to be "for" the Vols. We should understand the "rabble he raises" as that is what journalism has come to, these days. We could accept that.
The surprise of this great award (sort of like getting a star for being the top of the bottom five in your class) is that John is just not a good writer. Those enjoying him should branch out, read some quality writing and enjoy the difference. JA never offers original thought. He never breaks news. He never does in depth analysis; he just types out the obvious.
Other quality writers offer valid critisms of results...or even efforts, without demeaning or ridiculing the individual. Other writers offer valid options for cosideration. Other writers establish respect and support from sources...and provide timely and previously unknown facts and insight. JA does none of this. He mixes attempts at satire, humor and news leaving one not knowing which he intends. I doubt he does.
We just deserve better.
in response to rusty_shackleford: We've had to put up with the arrogance of ND for a long, long time. Even when they stunk, they were arrogant. Therefore, let the South rise again! RTR! SEC, SEC, SEC!
in response to rusty_shackleford:
We've had to put up with the arrogance of ND for a long, long time. Even when they stunk, they were arrogant. Therefore, let the South rise again! RTR! SEC, SEC, SEC!
Not picking on this post; it describes sentiments expressed by many: arrogant, smug, hates the SEC, self-rightous, etc. There are many reasons, perhaps, for this perception; consider a few:
Endowments could be considered the measure of support for a school by its alumni and friends. Harvard ranks first, at around 31 billion. Notre Dame is seventeenth, at around 6. The closest SEC school is Vanderbilt, at around 3. The ranking of other SEC schools are FL 34, GA 63, AL 77, Auburn 89, MO 97 and UT 101. Others fall below that. In terms of school support, I think this could be described, in SEC terms, as "putting your money where your mouth is."
ND had over forty thousand ticket request for the seventeen-five availble for the BS within 24 hours; do not know the final tally.
It is only fair to mention that Notre Dame, in its several visits in the past to Knoxville, rank that experience high in terms of courteous treatment and an enjoyable experience. UT fans have reciprocated, when visiting South Bend. Look it up.
If I were an alumni of Notre Dame, and was called upon to defend my "perceived arrogance," I think my response, while acknowledging the priviledges I enjoy, would be, "who cares."
Well, we can raise the Rebel flag and yell taunts across the lines all day but the fact is that Notre Dame is 26-17 all time vs. current SEC member teams. As Dizzy Dean always said, "If you can do it, you ain't bragging." So, we can hate them for whatever reasons but it should not be from a sense that they are overrated; our record against them belies that. My personal peeve is that they have negotiated themselves an equal seat at the table as other, ENTIRE CONFERENCES. Why have WE let that happen? Beats me, but it is fact.
in response to golfman1975: Adams...why not talk about the fact that we have 2 bigs on the bench...Maymon and Miller as well as Reese on the bench. You should analyze the team just a little bit more than you do. You can talk about a 3 game win streak against the Vols but what about our dominance against Florida, beating Vandy last year, playing Ky better than anyone except Indy. As the season goes on there will be more things positive to talk about. Last year we started even worse than this and came on strong. I heard Ball St needs a writer for their student news paper.
in response to golfman1975:
Adams...why not talk about the fact that we have 2 bigs on the bench...Maymon and Miller as well as Reese on the bench. You should analyze the team just a little bit more than you do. You can talk about a 3 game win streak against the Vols but what about our dominance against Florida, beating Vandy last year, playing Ky better than anyone except Indy. As the season goes on there will be more things positive to talk about. Last year we started even worse than this and came on strong. I heard Ball St needs a writer for their student news paper.
Ball State? Oops! That one is gone; filled by a high school freshman from nearby. Was told they previewed a few KNS articles before their decision.
in response to bigdisbig: How can you miss a dunk with no one around you? Oh I know.....you were too busy hotdogging to pay attention to your craft. The Vols play Rockytop League basketball. They need to do away with that league for it only feeds egos and fosters bad play in real games.
in response to bigdisbig:
How can you miss a dunk with no one around you? Oh I know.....you were too busy hotdogging to pay attention to your craft. The Vols play Rockytop League basketball. They need to do away with that league for it only feeds egos and fosters bad play in real games.
Only sensible post thus far. That play and several others indicate a lack of discipline...regardless what Martin tries to accomplish. To me, discipline is doing what one is supposed to do..every time...all the time. Hot dogging and street ball has no place in serious competition. Even if there is only one in one hundred chances it can go wrong. That one time can get you beat...like last night.
As for this article, Adams is getting lazy. He left out baseball, swimming and lady's volleyball in a stretch to dig up negatives. Those who support him by claiming he just tells it like it is are correct...often. However, it is not always necessary to offer up this phooey; we already know how it is so what is the journalistic point?
Wonder if Coach Adams watched the game tonight. Obviously, he knows what works best. Oops! Guess Holly & Company did not check in with him.
in response to snuffysmiff: It's like the proverbial car crash, you just have to look.
in response to snuffysmiff:
It's like the proverbial car crash, you just have to look.
It has become a common post, in response to critique of Adam's style, ".....Why do you read it"? While I tend to resent it, a fair question. The answer is that reading is a pleasure for many, a source of information for many and often, an opportunity for exposure to opinions other than ones own. And, we pay for this. Yes, pay...either through subscription, newstand price or through being a party to advertisments that float the boat. That said, readers should reasonably expect a quality product and Adams seldom delivers that. So, we read, always hoping for something better and more often, being let down.
I am amazed at this high school freshman article penned by a "Senior Columnist."
I think the "papers" must have gotten mixed up.
Go over to the KNS story re: Martin turning down the job. Nearing 300 responses and KNS is loving it. While he does not say as much, Adams list several non-reasons for Martin to create so much buzz...especially as a coach. If UT fans crave a "name coach" so bad, why have we not thrown Denzel Washington and Robert Duval into the mix? They were good coaches in the movies...and that is likely as much savy for the college game at Gruden has. Or maybe Martin.
Alright, all together now: Who in Vol land never turned down a job offer? (Show of hands)
Now, what part of no do we not understand?
This should be a non issue. Tee Martin may be a fine man. He was a one year quarterback who happened to be along on our year of glory. He has worked at the college level (prior to USC) at two losing programs, in minor rolls. He is reportedly a good recruiter, but he did not recruit KY to victory (except over us). This is not a negative hit on Martin. He just seems another "name" we clamor for, and want to throw a hissy fit if we do not get him. We offered; he said no; end of story.
in response to CarlChilders: I supported Fulmer, Kiffin, and Dooley, and I will support Jones or whoever the coach would have been. That's what real fans do. 80% of the posters so far are losers wallowing in perpetual misery. Geez, the man has been coach 9 hours! Saban's record through his first six seasons was 42-29-1, Jones 50-27.
in response to CarlChilders:
I supported Fulmer, Kiffin, and Dooley, and I will support Jones or whoever the coach would have been. That's what real fans do. 80% of the posters so far are losers wallowing in perpetual misery. Geez, the man has been coach 9 hours! Saban's record through his first six seasons was 42-29-1, Jones 50-27.
Factual observation. Several issues here: first, the money is public record, we are entitled to know, but the inclusion here carries a negative twist. All that money? And we reduce educational staff? And such.
What irony. Fans yell and want to fire anyone who hands out a big contract we have to eat when things go wrong. The same fans will yell and want to fire anyone who has not shelled out the big bucks when a winning coach saddles his pony and rides away. We can't have it both ways. We play our cards and take our chances.
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