Comments by asleep#212036

Written on Jay Graham leaving Vols for Florida State:

Mixed feelings. On one hand, no doubt our RB's played better last year and he was the only former Vol on Butch Jones' staff, all good. However, for all his alleged recruiting prowess, we were not able to sign a big-time RB this class, even with no real proven SEC talent in the upper classes, should have been a chip-shot, not good. Bottom line is both money and his connections to Tee Martin and Randy Sanders sealed the deal, although Randy currently owns the spot he has coached at his last two schools.

As far as the Dooley 2.0 comments, pure silliness. Dooley has never won anywhere he's ever coached and in fact, the subsequent La Tech coach took his players and won with them. Jones has won everywhere he's ever coached and has proven so far to be a tireless worker and recruiter. If Graham wants to head to FSU and coach in the ACC, let him go. And I cannot agree more with the VFL comments - just another Dooley sound bite (among innumerable others) designed to make us think the program was headed in the right direction - BS all the way. Unfortunately Jones has no choice but to forge on with it... Read Eric Berry's (and several other former Vols') comments on Butch Jones and then decide whether or not he is preferable to Dooley from folks in the know. Go Vols!!!

Written on Report: Zach Azzanni new Vols receivers coach :

If one more person remarks that Jones wasn't the right guy because he couldn't get better than 3-star athletes at Cincy, I will scream. Recruiting is a sell job for the school and the football program. A guy in Cincinnati can't sell that program like that same guy could at Tennessee, period. He outrecruited Strong so far this year before he left (and beat him two out of three as well) and has hired several strong recruiters with SEC ties. Martinez was fired as DC, but he's not our DC, so.... Thigpen was, according to my Auburn friends, their best coach and recruiter but Malzahn was told to clean house. He did and we get great staffer. Graham, 'nuff said. Azzanni I know nothing about except that Urban Meyer, good friends with Butch, hired him twice to coach receivers and we will run a similar power-run spread so.... The men from Cincy that came with Butch were mostly the same men that won all those games with him. Folks who win at lower levels tend to win when they move up, that's HOW and WHY they move up after all. If this recruiting class can be saved during a coaching change, congrats to Butch and staff. If not, it happens, not his fault. One bad class won't hurt any program and we'll see what he can do with an entire year to work these kids/HS coaches. But to say that he will fail as a recruiter because he couldn't get 4- and 5-star kids to Cincinnati is silly. No wonder our coaches are under so much stress - all the "experts" in our peanut gallery won't even give them a chance. Go Vols!!!

Written on John Adams: Comparative shopping: Petrino, Tuberville, Jones :

in response to LAVol11:

There aren't many Fulmer players in the NFL from 2006 on. This is just another measure of how the talent had dropped off in Fulmer's later years.

In April 2002, 14 UT players were selected in the NFL draft. For the NFL drafts of 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009 all combined, UT had only 14 players selected.

Think about that one.

And that, in a nutshell, is why we have not been competitive. If that doesn't change, Jones won't win here either. Let's hope he can restore some recruiting glory. If not? Well, the definition of stupid is doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. If he can't get better players, the results will be the same. Go Vols!!!

Written on Report: Zach Azzanni new Vols receivers coach :

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

Don't forget he's a great recruiter as well..As a matter of fact North is visiting UT this weekend and by all accounts he'll probably be a Volunteer by Monday morning. This was setup by Thigpen our newly appointed db coach, and Martinez has bigger recruits than him wanting to visit UT..This is looking good.

Completely agree with the recruiting angle. If fact, my only concern about his staff was related to recruiting. Les Miles, and to some degree Ol' Phil, proved that if you put better players on the field you don't have to coach them that well to be wildly successful. I live in Auburn country and was told by all my Tiger friends that both Thigpen and Martinez were marvelous recruiters and Lord knows we need to continue to upgrade the talent. IF Jones' coaches (many of whom coached in the SEC before) can re-establish our former recruiting prowess, the coaching part will be fine. All of his "new" guys - Azzanni, Graham, Thigpen, and Martinez - are reputed to be relentless on the recruiting trail. I'm cautiously optimistic....before, with Dooley and Kiffin, I was just cautious! Go Vols!!!

Written on Report: Zach Azzanni new Vols receivers coach :

in response to yabadabadoo1026:

the OC experience is good to have on staff as well had Martinez's DC experience---butstange that Bielema didnt think enough of him apparantly to invite him to Arky as all these guys tend to so predominately bring their own

Hard to say for sure, there are so many variables. They only worked together for one year so the relationship wasn't there, much like Weist didn't come with Jones. Then there's the Chaney issue and maybe he's picking whom he wants, which is reasonable. Then there's living in Arkansas for a life-long Yankee.... Further, Arky's offense won't resemble Wisconsin's in any shape, form, or fashion so maybe Beilema decided to go a different direction. Urban Meyer used him at two different schools so I'm fairly certain he can coach. Welcome aboard!

On a different note, Martinez' defenses at Georgia were horrible and he was fired there. However, Auburn's secondary was pretty good the last two years. His being a former DC doesn't make me feel much better because he wasn't any good at it. But I guess your point is that he has coordinated the entire defense which certainly will help in meetings and the film room, a valid point indeed. Go Vols!!!

Written on John Adams: Comparative shopping: Petrino, Tuberville, Jones :

in response to CoverOrange:

While I agree with you that Petrino is only using WKU as a stepping stone don't you think WKU will be a much more attractive spot for their next coaching search if Petrino has them winning 10, 11 or 12 games each year? Same thing at Tennessee. Do you think Strong or any number of other coaches would have turned Hart down if UT was coming off a 10-2 season?

Hard to say but the UT job was/is certainly daunting. The program is in way better shape off the field than when DD took over but the on the field issues, the ones we fans are most concerned with, remain. WKU will win 10 games within a couple of years and Petrino will be out of there like his hair is on fire soon after. Cincinnati I'm not as sure about. Tuberville didn't exactly light up Texas Tech following Mike Leach and now he's sliding into Cincy after two very successful coaches. He had a reputation as a somewhat lazy recruiter while at Auburn but was considered a very good teacher of athletes with fewer Rivals or Scout "stars" so probably a good fit. Jones' task at UT isn't quite as easy. Expectations, as always, are sky-high. He's most likely losing Bray, Patterson, and Hunter so the offense will need to rebuild. We're changing back to a base 4-3, better of course for our personnel but a change nonetheless - how quickly can they make it work? Recruiting class is in flux daily, where do we end up there? I think down the road we will be very glad we got Jones instead of Tubs or Petrino. Will he be better than Charlie Strong? Louisville made him an offer no reasonable person could have refused so we'll never know. Go Vols!!!

Written on Mike Strange: Tennessee needed a fresh start and Butch Jones gives them one :

I loved his assessment of recruiting, calling it a sales job and a people business. I think he gets it. He said it is about relationships and he's right. Getting Tee Martin would be huge as would picking up a couple of Chizik's recruiters from Auburn (Thigpen and Martinez). Say what you will about the Won-Loss record at Auburn but they have 3 Top Ten Rivals classes waiting for Malzahn. If he gets the players he will win, everything in his history says so. Let's hope he can start winning the recruiting battles for us again. Go VoLS!!

Written on John Adams: An SEC coaching leap isn't for everybody :

in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:

Sorry asleep, but I can't resist..Which trailer park do you live in?? Just kidding.

Pretty funny but actually down here in the "Heart of Dixie", most of the trailer parks are decked out in crimson and white, not orange and blue....I live in north Alabama near Huntsville thus the high Auburn titer - all those engineers and rocket scientists...And believe me when I say, there is nothing worse than a whiny Auburn fan when they lose and NOTHING worse than an arrogant Bama fan (redundant, I know) when they win. It's pretty miserable during football season down here.....Go Vols!!!

Written on John Adams: An SEC coaching leap isn't for everybody :

in response to peppo:

Charlie Strong chose to stay in the ACC because he didn't want to compete against the best. When you want to compete against the best, you know you won't win every battle, but those that you do win are sweet. I am glad we got someone that wants to compete against the very best and has the confidence to put his team up against anyone. We will see one or two signature wins next year. Book it!

Charlie Strong also got an 8-year, $32 million dollar deal to stay at Louisville. He's 52 with a lucrative deal that takes him to age 60. He's coaching in the Big East then ACC, he doesn't have to move, he doesn't have to rebuild anything in the ridiculously tough SEC, he doesn't have to risk his reputation - it was a no-brainer and most coaches would have done the same. Jones is NOT most coaches and that's what I like about him. He's confident and believes in what he's doing. He's a high energy guy who believes UT belongs in the upper tiers and is determined to get them there, kicking and screaming. He's personable and somewhat bigger than life if you will. All of that is infectious and permeates through the team. Once they start to believe it too, half the battle is won. Remind you of anyone? Like maybe Bruce Pearl? Yep, IF Jones can recruit effectively, and I'll admit that's a big if, we are gonna be back competing sooner rather than later - his coaching history doesn't lie. Go Vols!!!

Written on John Adams: An SEC coaching leap isn't for everybody :

in response to BeaFanNotaFanatic:

Yeah! The only guy UT was after that has actually been in the SEC and done anything significant, would have had a hard time taking the leap to the SEC. BUT, the guy that hasn't built anything, and has ZERO SEC experience, he is ready for the leap??? You a clearly high!

Charlie Strong was UT's best shot at becoming relevent. The AD swung and missed. Live with it! Don't try to shift your dissapointment by throwing out idiotic statements when the new coach isn't nearly as prepared for the leap he is about to take.

Either of these two men were unprepared, as was Muschamp, Saban, Miles, Spurrier, etc.... Nobody can know what recruiting and playing in the SEC is all about until the big headset is on his head, period. Strong would have hit the recruiting faster but Jones was out-recruiting him in the Big East before we hired him. Jones has a longer history of winning as a HC, and in two different conferences no less, and has beaten Strong 2-1 in head-to-head meetings. And it's significant that no less than three other BCS-conference schools offered him their HC job so Hart wasn't the only one who thought this guy was a future star.....Assuming Strong was the better candidate on the surface is probably correct as Hart tried to get him first. But make no mistake, Jones was on the short list and the drop-off in coaching or recruiting versus Strong, if there really is one, is minimal. They were both good choices and either would have won here, at least more than Dooley or Kiffin. How far the rise above that, well, that will only be known in hindsight. Go Vols!!!

Written on John Adams: An SEC coaching leap isn't for everybody :

in response to titletownz:

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They decreased the seating capacity to accomodate luxury boxes so it "only" seats a little over 101, 000 now. Of course, that's still considerably larger than the Swamp so....

Written on John Adams: An SEC coaching leap isn't for everybody :

in response to Razor784:

Gus Malzahn will put Auburn back near the top in the west. He's been successful at every stop. Jones is a nice hire too, he wasn't my first choice, but like Malzahn he's been a winner wherever he's been.

"Everywhere he's been" is one year at Arkansas State playing with Hugh Frieze's players. Coordinators don't "win" anything, HCs do. Don't get me wrong, I thought Chizik was a worse hire than Dooley and without his being handed Cam Newton by his questionable board members/boosters, he would have never won anything. Gus is an upgrade, for sure, but I would have been very disappointed if we'd hired him instead. One year as a D-1 HC? They essentially elevated a coordinator. He is completely unproven and has less D-1 expereince than any coach they have hired since Terry Bowden. I live in Auburn country, I can tell you they are not real sure about him either. To a man they all wished they had gotten Jones (he was definitely on their list). Whether Jones or Malzahn turn out, Jones was by far the less risky hire with the proven track record. Go Vols!!!

Written on Butch Jones promises 'best staff in the country' :

in response to 6972:

Wonder why TT was let go by the Tigers?

Malzahn fired every single coach on the staff and said his coordinators could hire back any one of them they wanted. His NCAA issues were apparently no big deal as their NCAA compliance director came to them from the enforcement division of the NCAA itself. They had already sent him back out on the recruiting trail when Malzahn fired him and the others. The other guy, Luper (sp?), wasn't sent back out so he may be more of the issue. Either way, never was a fan of Trooper's but they said he was a stellar recruiter, probably the reason he was hired both places. And that's not insignificant in the SEC.....Go Vols!!!

Written on Butch Jones promises 'best staff in the country' :

in response to rtrchatt:

Sal coached OLBs at Bama and Kirby Smart coaches ILBs. UT is on the hook for the next 2 yrs w/ Sunseri as he signed a 3 yr deal.

"Best staff in college fb." Wow that is some bravado, but the UT fan base knows all about promises given the last 4 yrs.

Either way, nobody ever questioned Sal's ability to coach LB's and in a 4-3 base you don't need two separate LB coaches. Yeah, Jones has chutzpah all right but it's just the right amount. Not the "aw shucks" Dooley approach and not the "middle finger in your face" Kiffin approach either. His "best staff" comment was just press conference stuff, expected of all new hires. For Gosh sakes, Stoops told the folks at Kentucky there was no reason they couldn't win SEC titles in Lexington. O-K.... One thing for sure, not since Johnny Majors have we hired a guy with a solid external resume (not counting Fulmer in this example) so I'm certainly less skeptical when he promises something than the last two coaches we had. Go Vols!!!

Written on Butch Jones promises 'best staff in the country' :

in response to lemme_axya_this:

UT'S run game improved immeasurably this year. Graham and Pittman have to get the credit for that, I hope both get to stay if they want to. I'm sure the improvement in the running game can be measured, just not by me. I typically don't have the patience to look up stats like yards per game and yards per carry. The fact that they usually made it out of the backfield this year is proof of improvement.

The stats are even more telling. Playing against several of the top defenses (and teams) in the country our running output per game almost doubled and yards per carry went way up too. More importantly, we vastly improved against the best competition so they weren't merely rolling up yards against Akron and Georgia State to pad the stats. Further, they improved pass protection too, one of the very best in the nation in sacks allowed and tops in the nation in that stat among schools who attempted over (I think) 30 passes per game - impressive. However, from an earlier article the KNS writer implied that only Graham was for sure being asked to stay and Hinshaw MIGHT get an invite as well. No mention of Pittman and that's too bad. His history at other schools says we would only have gotten better in year 2. Oh well, Jones is the coach and it's his neck so I suppose Hart and Co. would do well to let him hire whomever he wants. Go Vols!!!

Written on Butch Jones promises 'best staff in the country' :

in response to bcm4ut:

I am glad the job has been filled, but I must admit I am woefully dissapointed with the hire. I guess we will become a spread team that is three years late to the party. Our players dont fit the spread offense. I defense is poor enough without having to be on the field twice as long. I love smash mouth football. When you tell the D where you are going and you run right through them. That is not a gimmick, that is championship football. How any spread teams have won a title of any importance? None. When will the athletic department learn? Did they do this because A&M beat Al on an off day? My hunch is that they did. Elite college teams are becoming more like pro defenses. The spread attack is easily defended with players like AL and FL put on the field. Anyway the guy seems energetic, and really wanted the job, so we will see. My guess is he will be fired in four to five years and we will be right back where we are today. I think Hart hired the wrong Butch. GBO.

Florida and Auburn won NCs with the "spread" and Bama didn't look like they were "easily" defending A & M to me. The spread Jones uses, per his presser, will be based on a "pro-set", meaning not a lot of running by the QB, and a "physical running game". You are correct, no team has won the NC with a pass-happy spread but that's not what he likes to run. As far as the hire, apparently too many folks are equating Jones, a coach from a lower-tier conference, with Dooley. Big difference? Jones won there, at two levels, Dooley never did. If the man can recruit and coach we will win, despite any of our hesitancy about the hire. If you are right and he fails, then he will be fired and we will move on. Let's keep our perspective fellow Vols: this is college football, not cancer, it's gonna be OK. Go Vols!!!

Written on Butch Jones promises 'best staff in the country' :

in response to pcorange:

I think Pittman, Graham, and Hinshaw definitely deserve a shot at staying. Demote Sunseri to LB coach and make him stay and earn his money. He was obviously a pretty good LB coach at Bama, he's just not a good DC. If we demoted him, maybe he'd quit on his own and we wouldn't have to pay him the 1.2M.

You know.....that's really pretty good thinking. He's a heck of a recruiter and Bama's LB core is as good as anyone's. Of course that won't happen but if I were Sunseri, I'd be dropping that little hint around. Imagine, a LB coach making over $850,000. Not bad work if you can get it. The downfall is that if we fire him, he will still make the $850K anywhere he goes. It's good times to be a fired SEC coach with a buyout. Go Vols!!!

Written on Butch Jones promises 'best staff in the country' :

in response to Banner:

If they were the best assistants they wouldn't be at Cincinnatti. The big least isn't the SEC.

True to a degree. Everyone understands that the TEAMS in the Big East are inferior to those in the SEC, sure. However, just like HCs, assistants have to start somewhere and work their way up. I think the big misunderstanding is that because lower-tier conferences don't compete well against the big boys, that necessarily means they have equally inferior coaching. Not true....The largest portion of the inequity has to do with raw talent, not coaching. Give any coaching staff better players and the results will get better as well. Now I'm not saying I would understand his bringing the entire staff (that's the 'true to a degree' part above) but surely we understand that a few of those guys can probably really coach. They are beating their peer group, which means similar talent levels, right? I'll bet he brings no more than 3 or 4 and hires the rest either from the current staff or elsewhere. Time will tell. Go Vols!!!

Written on Butch Jones promises 'best staff in the country' :

in response to TheStupidPolice:

I hope he can use the resources Hart has given him to go out and put together the best staff. It's going to be a hard sale. And he is going to have to go out and sale himself to coaches because he sure as hell wasn't planning on putting together the best at Colorado or Purdue.

I'm real worried. This wasn't the unifying, exciting hire we wanted. And we need. The brand is dying. You wear the power T outside SEC country and people think you're a Texas fan. They don't recognize it. ESPN is going to have all-access specials of the spring practices at Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Texas A&M and probably now Arkansas. ESPN will have more commercials with Saban, Miles, Richt and Revelie. Tennessee can't even get a simple score shown on Gameday Final. We want Herbstreit and Blackledge in town, but we're stuck with Ed Cunningham. The brand is fading away while all our biggest rivals are marketing bonanzas.

I'll support Butch Jones. I'll wear my orange everywhere I go and put my blowup Smokey in the yard on Gameday, but let's be real. We're on the verge of a second recession. Considering who our first two opponents are next season, we'll be lucky to have 75K in Neyland for those games. Then we face the worst scheduling nightmare in football history. We have back to back road games at Oregon and at Florida. The Titans wouldn't ask for that. Both those games, with what could be a very depleted roster, have the potential to be absolute disasters. If that does happen, the South Alabama game draws less than 60K. Then comes Georgia, SC and Alabama. Poor ol' Butch Jones might be toast before he even has a chance to get started. The fan base will be HOT!

I think the vast majority of fans were hoping for a coach that was a known commodity. A guy we knew could coach at the highest level, handle the pressure, win big games, recruit, win championships, unify the fan base and grow the brand. Butch Jones isn't that. He's a hope. I don't care what any of you say, you don't know if this guy can do it. You're just hoping. Hell, I'm hoping. But I wanted someone I didn't have to give a chance to. I wanted a guy that I knew would give Tennessee a chance.

I hate to be all doom and gloom. I hope Jones is the next General Neyland. But at this point, this has all the makings of an epic, epic fail.

That's because you're assuming that Jones can't coach. If he turns out to be Kiffin or Dooley, all the above will be true. However, his coaching history suggests otherwise. Bama lived through the Dubose years, Georgia survived Jim Donnan, LSU bounced back nicely from Hallman/DiNardo, and Florida seems to have done OK post-Zook. Point is, football is cyclical. Does anybody think Bama will still be Bama when Saban leaves? Was it the same when Bear quit? And who was Urban Meyer to lead Florida? Just a guy from two second tier conferences who kept winning....sound familiar? If Jones can coach, it won't matter how "unifying" or "exciting" he is to UT fans right now. Winning fixes all that, it always has and it always will. From reading your post, your mood would have to improve considerably just to get to "gloom and doom". It's all good bro', let's sit back and see what he can do. History says he (and we) will be just fine. Go Vols!!!

Written on Butch Jones promises 'best staff in the country' :

in response to lemme_axya_this:

They let him go because he is suspected of recruiting violations. Auburn already had him under house arrest.

I live in big Auburn country (yuk!), they had already sent him back out on the road recruiting before Malzahn was hired. Remember, Auburn's NCAA compliance director worked in the enforcement division of the NCAA prior to heading to the plains. It's unlikely he got it wrong. However, the fan base felt pretty much like we did - decent coach, great recruiter but a bit obnoxious and specialized in recruiting thugs, several of whom at both institutions didn't pan out for one reason or another. I doubt Jones will hire him back.

I do think retaining Graham should be a priority and I would look hard at Pittman as well. Hinshaw has proven to be probably the best recruiter on Dooley's staff so I'd at least think about him too. Most new hire bring at least a few familiar guys from the old place, Jones will as well. IF he brings as many as four of his staff with him that leaves only five more on-field coaches, right? If you say he keeps Graham, that's four more hires, Martin, if he comes, leaves three openings. Several of his Cincy staff played in the SEC but he probably still needs one more really good Southern recruiter. Kevin Steele would be my choice - great position coach, phenomenal recruiter, UT alum (not that that really matters but fans love it). Of course, I've been waiting by my phone with lots of advice but I'm beginning to think Coach Jones isn't going to call..... Go Vols!!

Written on Butch Jones promises 'best staff in the country' :

in response to vettefool:

I hope we keep Graham and off line coach. guess Chaney may be gone since we may be going to a new offensive system. although I'm not sure we have a quarterback that can run that system now. maybe keep Chaney next year, we will be paying him unless he gets another job.
Tee Martin would be a good addition. whoever we get on def will be a major improvement but we need some players. good players

Coach Jones said we will run a "pro-set" with a "physical running game" using a lot of "no-huddle" and that he adapts his offensive system to the players he has. No, we don't have a QB to run Chip Kelly's or Gus Malzahn's offense but it doesn't sound like we're gonna need one. Chaney ran a lot of no-huddle in a pro-set too, just didn't have the physical run game mainly because I never thought he really believed in it (nor, apparently did Dooley). In fact, the only thing about a true "spread" offense that won't work in the SEC is some OC's propensity to throw too much out of it. As long as your base play is power running, it will work just fine. The one part I don't like is no-huddle. You score too quickly and your D can't rest but like I said, we did that w Chaney already. From what I heard him say, Worley and Lane should be just fine in Jones' offense and it makes sense. Recent (Sunseri) and ancient (Clawson) UT history, if known to Hart and/or Jones, would surely point them away from wholesale changes in scheme philosophy to the level of those two gentlemen. It would also behoove Jones to understand that those two HC decisions which were the beginning of the end for Fulmer and Dooley. The one and only thing Jones needs to do next year is win some games and rekindle hope in Knoxville. Totally changing our offense without the requisite players to make it effective would be a huge step in the wrong direction - 4 championships in 6 years tells me he probably already knows that. Go Vols!!!

Written on Tennessee to pay Jones $18.2 million over six years :

in response to RememberWhen:

IF - and that's still a big IF - this is true, Hart should be out the door today. Whether this guy proves to be good or not is irrelevent. DOUBLING the salary for a guy with this limited resume AND paying a $1.4 million buyout is absolutely irresponsible given the current financial saga of the UTAD! There were at least three guys with better resumes available that would have at a minimum saved paying a buyout and could much more arguably be worthy of $3 mil per year. It is painfully obvious that this quickly turned into a panic hire - we can only hope it turns out better than the last panic hire.

I hate being belligerent with a fellow Vols fan but those three guys with BETTER resumes with no buyout and who were also cheaper were....? And we didn't double Jones' salary. The Cincy AD said there were "significant increases" offered by them in an effort to keep him. A 25% increase would be $2.3M, we are paying him less than $3 M after the signing bonus, so.... by my math that's not double. Further, it should be instructive that when a school opens their bank account to keep a coach (Strong and Jones for instance), that's a very good sign that Hart found some guys worth hiring. Don't recall La Tech mortgaging their campus to keep Dooley, do you? Further still, Hart finally got the buyout part of a contract right - he's owes us a lot more than we owe him if it doesn't work out, just as it should be. Your screen name suggests you would recall the ridiculous buyout clauses Hamilton gave Kiffin and Dooley, part of the reason Hart and the UTAD were under such duress. Those contracts screamed "we are desperate, PLEASE take this job!". On the other hand, Hart NOT putting those things in the current contract flies in the face of a "panic hire" as you call it - he offered the contract he offered and they could take it or not. I have no idea if Jones will win at UT or not but EVERY national media outlet had him as a guy UT should consider pretty early and no less than 4 other BCS conference schools (KY, BC, Purdue, and Colorado) were after him hard. How many BCS schools wanted Dooley? Fulmer was a much riskier hire than this guy and that turned out pretty darn well I think. C'mon bro', give him a chance - he's won everywhere else, he can win here. Go Vols!!!

Written on Cincinnati AD: Dave Hart was "first class" throughout process:

The bottom line is that winners from lower BCS schools move up the ladder to big jobs every year. As a rule, the winners win when they move up and those with losing records never seem to get over the hump. The only real issue is how big a jump do they make? Kelly went from Cincy to Notre Dame, Tressell directly from Youngstown State to Ohio State, Jim Harbaugh from SDSU to Stanford, and there are others with similar leaps, the most notable being the miserable failed experiment with Gerry Faust from high school to Notre Dame. Most, however, make extra stops, like Saban at MSU then LSU, Meyer to Utah pre-Florida, and Mack Brown at UNC before Texas. How does this jump rate? Not Kelly big but still many will wonder if he can cut it. I"m not worried.

The man won championships in two conferences and one of them, the MAC, produced Saban and Meyer, the other, the Big East, with numerous successful big-time BCS coaches. His school is where Dantonio and Kelly got their stripes and he has beaten Strong, our original crush, 2 of 3 meetings. Men who can coach can do so at any college level at any program, their prior records providing the necessary background check. Dooley and Chizik, two notable pink-slippers from this season, did not win in lesser situations and not surprisingly, were unable to rise above their respective histories. His history says Jones is a winner - there is no reason to think he won't continue his winning ways in Knoxville. BTW, not that it matters, but go back and read the national sports media's comments when Dooley (or Kiffiin for that matter) was hired and compare them to their comments about Jones' hiring now. The ONLY people unsure about his ability to win at UT are [some of] UT's fans. Go Vols!!!

Written on New UT coach Butch Jones in Knoxville:

in response to TheSmokyMountainThatRides:

i can't wait to boo him and hart when they are announced at the next basketball game. i know, i know. all of you hollier than thou fans will say that makes me a bad fan. when in fact most of you that will say that won't be at the next basketball game because they aren't playing well. that makes you a bad fan. i pay thousands a year to that place and while it is nothing compared to the big donors, it is a big chunk of my yearly income. so the way i see it i'm entitled to voice my anger on the hire. boo.

Voice your opinion all you want, keep your money if you want, but your opinion about the new coach won't keep him from winning, which he has always done, nor will any other fans' exuberance keep him from losing. Cheer up, give him a chance and then judge. Go Vols!!!

Written on Charlie Strong spurns UT offer for new deal at Louisville:

in response to VolBallCharlie:

Does Hart not realize the importance & urgency of this hire, or is he purposely sabotaging these deals? All I know is there is DEFINITELY SOMETHING WRONG ON MY BELOVED ROCKY TOP!!! Whats next... Randy Sanders turns UT down for more time ANYWHERE ELSE!!!

Our offer was reportedly upwards of the $3 million/yr range, almost a 40% raise for Mr. Strong. Louisville matched it and thankfully, Hart declined to up the ante. I mean, c'mon folks, I think Strong was a good hire but he hasn't earned that kind of money. If the Cardinals want to pay him as much or more than Fisher, Beamer, Sweeney, or Golden, more power to them. There are plenty of coaches out there and the only thing worse than missing out on a potential hire is getting into a ridiculous bidding war for a guy who simply isn't worth the money. Next.....Go Vols!!!

Written on UT out? Gundy, Strong negotiating to stay at their schools:

in response to vq4nfo:

It would be funny if UT ends up with Larry Fedora and another offensive genius with no major SEC experience. Arkansas knew what it takes to get a great coach, while Hart interviews for coaches that most thought would end up staying at their schools with new contracts. UT is going to look real good in a few years, the SEC will not have UT to kick around anymore.LOL

First, you are assuming Hart only interviewed Gundy and Strong, which of course, is ridiculously unlikely. Second, there are men out there, proven winners, but with baggage. That list includes Petrino, Butch Davis, etc.... Those fellas don't currently have a job and would jump at the chance. However, if you can go safer, you do. Third, there are a slew of NFL coordinators who would also consider the job and their salaries are doable for a college team. They are pro coaches, sure, but they definitely can coach, just don't know about all the ancillaries associated with college football like recruiting, academics, etc... Again, riskier, so you go safe if you can. If Strong says no, and he may well do just that, Hart may be willing to get outside the box knowing he tried the sure, safe bets and didn't win. The absolute panic at this stage of the search among our fans is laughable. I'm not gonna lose one second of sleep over this until I see whom he hired. Even then, I don't make my living coaching football or running an athletic department so my opinion about whether a man can or can't win at UT really doesn't matter. Thankfully I have so many trolls on this site who can tell me with absolute certainty what "everyone" else thinks and what they "know" about our football future. Lucky me. Go Vols!!!

Written on UT out? Gundy, Strong negotiating to stay at their schools:

in response to Hacker38:

I thought the Circus had left town...

Call me a troll, because I know it's coming..

All of the posters that want Manning, or even somewhere I saw someone wanted Eric Berry, give me a break, and go kiss your sister again.
Turned down by or rumoured to have been turned down by the following..

Chip Kelly
Gruden
Stoops
Fisher
Cutcliffe
Mora

Now possibly Gundy and Strong..

Sure tells you where the Tennessee program is now...

Well if you say it, it must be true. We'll just shut down the football program and move on because obviously none of the approximately 110 other D-1 coaches have any interest at all. And not one of those 110 coaches whose name isn't on your list is worth a dime or has any chance whatsoever to succeed, so why bother? I mean, I feel so silly that I've been wasting all my time even watching the UT coaching search unfold, I should have just called you and you could have told me everything pertinent to the situation that I needed to know. Are you omniscient in everything or just UT football? I have some stock options I also needed some help with..... Go Vols!!!

Written on UT out? Gundy, Strong negotiating to stay at their schools:

in response to collegegrovebilly:

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Dave Hart has absolutely nothing to do with the mess at UT. He didn't hire Dooley or any of his coaches. He did not make the 2013 schedule. He did not hire Kiffin and his goons for which we now have an extended probation. He did not sit on his hands in his office fretting over the academic folks bleeding the athletic department dry. He didn't go after a lesser guy (like Dooley) just to get the search done. You have no idea if Malzahn is as good as Strong or Gundy or anyone else as he has NEVER been a HC in a BCS league and his Ark St bowl team this year belongs to Frieze who, I might add, is doing wonders at Ole Miss (he's a real coach). Auburn has NO sanctions at this point, we are under a 4 year probation. Dude, don't know how you think Hart is responsible for the current mess. Going forward I'll buy it but this is still Haz-Mat cleanup duty from Hamilton and Co. Go Vols!!!

Written on UT out? Gundy, Strong negotiating to stay at their schools:

in response to ProfessionalHandicapper:

Ut had one, he went into the Hall of fame last night. Now Karma has come home and UT is looked at as a coaches graveyard job. Reports I read say Gundy wanted the Arkansas job but has agreed to stay put now. Smart was resigned by Bama and Strong does not want the UT job. Coaches these days look at a Dooley, Bowden, Shula and see that one bad run can be it. They must be careful as they move up the ladder. A team that went 1-7 in Conference with probation issues and three players who may bolt to the NFL is not a dream job or secure.

Fulmer never beat Meyer, and his record against the Tide and Georgia was poor the last five years. Include losses to Vanderbilt and Wyoming and numerous near misses against the likes of Duke, Air Force, Kentucky, etc.... Let it go, this has nothing to do with him. I will agree though that the Kiffin-Dooley debacle has poisoned the waters, the former for cheating, the latter for poor recruiting/losing. We'll get a coach, no big deal, there are plenty of good guys out there waiting for their chance. Go Vols!!!

Written on UT out? Gundy, Strong negotiating to stay at their schools:

in response to Big_Orange_Aide:

It is amazing to me that all the other SEC schools and an ACC school got their coach and in less time than we did. If Tennessee is being played again and these two coaches stay at their respective schools with a raise, I think Mr. Hart will be feeling some serious heat from his superiors.

I don't. He has gone after successful guys in BCS conferences and there are others (Golden, Fedora, Jones) he has contacted who also fit that bill. If Hart wanted a quick yes, he could have called a Mark Stoops or Gus Mahlzahn and we would have our coach. I'm glad he's trying for better. I'm sick of the assumptions by so many fans on this site that if a coach tells us "no" it had to be Hart's fault in some way. It is possible that maybe, just maybe, taking UT back to the mountaintop is just too daunting for some guys to risk it? Or maybe they, or their families, are happy where they are? I mean, at some point, an extra $500,000 doesn't really matter to a guy with $10 million, right? It's OK folks, this is not a Kiffin-Dooley situation, Hart will find our guy. Go Vols!!!

Written on UT out? Gundy, Strong negotiating to stay at their schools:

in response to 2Dlems:

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Win at Tennessee and it doesn't get much more "big-time".

Written on Reports: UT has sights set on Charlie Strong; decision could come as early as Wednesday :

in response to Lvillebill:

All good points, but he's still at a basketball school, going to a basketball conference, with lackluster fan support. He'll come to TN, the SEC, and be here for a decade! Go Charlie Strong, GBO!

Like you, that's exactly what I hope he's thinking. Go Vols!!!

Written on Reports: UT has sights set on Charlie Strong; decision could come as early as Wednesday :

in response to slickmo:

his defense and his recruiting? nice research work, his recruiting is 2nd to last in the big east and his defense isnt much better. hart just screwed us and your happy about it. look up strong's stats and recruiting for yourself

Big East recruiting has no relationship to SEC recruiting as it's much harder to maintain recruiting momentum at a basketball school like Louisville from year to year. Plus, now that they are in a BCS bowl, if he stays put, the recruiting will pick up noticeably. Defense is the same problem. He took over after three consecutive losing seasons in the Big East so.... they were really bad. His first recruiting class is likely juniors or redshirt sophomores, just like UT and Dooley, meaning they still have some growing to do. He won 10 games in year three (24-13 overall) and is in the BCS. Dooley won only 10 games the last two years (15-21 overall), the multiple indignities including losses to Kentucky and Vandy, a blowout no less. If you think Strong can't coach, ask Urban Meyer about his 2 NC's and see if Strong's defense at Florida met expectations. If you think he can't recruit, check out the 33 Florida kids he talked into moving to Louisville. I'm not saying he is or isn't a home run hire but the stats you are quoting, while technically correct (for now), don't really tell the whole story when you dig a little deeper. The only home run hire was Gruden and ONLY because he would be able to instantly restock the talent cupboard. He's not interested so Strong meets all our needs even though his star doesn't shine quite as brightly just yet. For Christ's sake, we had Dooley for three years, surely you won't complain about Strong. Go Vols!!!

Written on Reports: UT has sights set on Charlie Strong; decision could come as early as Wednesday :

You never know how these things will turn out and it's much harder to persuade someone to leave a place they are comfortable so Louisville still has the advantage. If their AD is sincere and they can match money with UT, then the only advantage we have is that we are in the SEC and they never will be. I'm hoping that he's still unhappy about being passed over for several SEC jobs while at Florida and Louisville and will take this job, tough as it will be, to prove everybody wrong. It's possible the extreme difficulty of the task may actually be what he finds so attractive and what others find so scary. Anyway, if he stays at Louisville it's his loss and we will move on. However, short of his saying he just flat out doesn't want to leave Louisville, I can't imagine that as much as we need an established, winning guy with BCS level HC experience, that Hart will let money or anything else stand in the way of getting him to Knoxville. I guess we'll know soon enough. Go Vols!!!

Written on John Adams: Charlie Strong's strengths match up with UT's weaknesses :

in response to Orangeblood13:

Arkansas just trumped us in the hire if this is true
Everyone out there and we get Charlie strong ?

Disagree. If we'd hired Beilema I would have been sick. Has no recruiting connections in the south at all and isn't exactly wearing out the Big 10, which, outside of Ohio State isn't that far above the Big East. Wisconsin has been getting weaker every year since Alvarez resigned. Strong is a much better hire for us than Beilema for Arkansas. And Malzahn at Auburn pales in comparison as well. Go Vols!!!

Written on ESPN report says Charlie Strong is top candidate for Tennessee head football coach:

in response to WetumpkaThumpa:

Uh, Florida hired a career Coordinator in Muschamp, so they probably weren't worried about your second point there.

Uh, Muschamp was the coach-in-waiting at the richest (and arguably the most influential) school in D-1 football which means he wasn't your run-of-the-mill coordinator. Nor was he their first choice - we know they contacted Stoops if not others but were (gasp!) turned down. The coach in waiting concept was actually started at Florida State with Jimbo Fisher and..... Dave Hart. Almost all those men, Muschamp, Franklin, Fisher, etc... have been very good when given the opportunity to step up. Strong was not in that boat and I'm sure Mr. Foley, their AD, decided (as I would have) that Texas' coach-in-waiting trumped a 6-6 HC stint at a Big East school. Point is, just because Florida went a different direction doesn't mean the man can't coach. After what he's done at Louisville, I'll bet they'd consider him now if the need arose. Go Vols!!!

Written on ESPN report says Charlie Strong is top candidate for Tennessee head football coach:

in response to shipperman#280095:

Recruiting to Florida and Tennessee are 2 different animals. Strong would NEVER outrecruit Saban, Spurrier, Miles, Richt, or any of our major conference Brethren. Therefore, he would not be very likely to beat them either. I got nothing against the fellow, just a different recruiting game from Florida to Tennessee

Fulmer was the best recruiter in the SEC in his day so there's no reason to think Strong can't improve our roster considerably, even though he's recruiting at Tennessee. He's got 26 players on his Louisville roster from the state of Florida. How many do we have? The error in logic here is that we have to out-recruit those other teams or we should just mail it in. Two words: Vanderbilt, Auburn. The Dores don't have near the players we have (by recruiting services) and yet.... 41-18. They also took Florida and South Carolina deep into the 4th and Lord knows they don't have 5 players on their entire roster that either Muschamp or Spurrier would want. Auburn has had 3 Top Ten classes in a row and went 3-9. My point is that if Vandy can compete with lesser players and Auburn can tank with a roster full of future stars, then it must be about more than just recruiting. Even in Fulmer's day it was rare for a player to be "coached up". If Strong can coach these kids up, and it appears he can, and improve our recruiting, which we know he can, then things will improve quickly. Success breeds success and we'll be on our way. Go Vols!!!

Written on ESPN report says Charlie Strong is top candidate for Tennessee head football coach:

in response to DukeDeLuca2:

They aren't exactly lining up to be the 4th coach in the last 6 years at my beloved alma mater.

Does anyone even want this job?

Duke, we are rebuilding in the toughest conference in the land, and have been since the Hamilton/Fulmer debacle. We play Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, and Alabama every year. We generally schedule one nasty non-conference team as well, next year it's at Oregon. Fulmer let recruiting go, Kiffin signed thugs that Dooley had to let go, and Dooley never really signed anybody out of high school. We are on NCAA probation through 2015. Our fans have high expectations due to our storied history of championships. I'm not being negative, just stating facts. In spite of all that, the consensus among pundits is that this is the best job out there right now. It's a very tough job and will require a very tough man to work through it. If folks aren't "lining up", who can blame them? Kiffin was looking for work and Dooley jumped at the opportunity to coach in the SEC while never having won in C-USA. Strong is neither unemployed nor desperate. He can bide his time if he likes, other big jobs will come along. If he takes this job, I'll tip my hat, get behind him 100%, and see what he can do. I know you'll do the same. Go Vols!!!

Written on ESPN report says Charlie Strong is top candidate for Tennessee head football coach:

in response to GerryOP:

C'mon man! If you can't post without that kind of trash, don't post at all. You are an embarrassment to Vol Nation.

Thanks for that post - didn't want to respond personally to that kind of thing.

Written on ESPN report says Charlie Strong is top candidate for Tennessee head football coach:

in response to GatorHater1998:

Can someone tell me what defensive scheme Louisville runs? I'm just wondering if we would have to switch schemes again

Switching back to a 4-3 is relatively simple since 90% of kids played this defense in HS. If he runs a 3-4 at Louisville, he'd better watch some film of last year's UT team and then figure out how to run a 4-3. Go Vols!!!

Written on ESPN report says Charlie Strong is top candidate for Tennessee head football coach:

in response to CMKSIDESHOW:

Totally freaking agree, THIS WILL BE WORSE THAN THE DOOLEY HIRE! WHY? Because expectations will be through the roof and this guy will lead us to 2-3 years of 4th and 3rd places finishes in the SEC East and after Dooley everybody will be satisfied, WE SERIOUSLY HAVE BECOME OLE MISS< MISS STATE, He will NOT out recruit FSU and Fl, GA, SC , LSU, ALA, TEXAS A&M, or ARK. If we hire this guy it is going to be three to four more years of flipping misery.

Then you should save yourself (and us) all that misery and cheer for someone else....

Written on ESPN report says Charlie Strong is top candidate for Tennessee head football coach:

in response to MurfVol77:

hmm an Alabama guy hiring a Florida guy to coach at Tennessee. There is just something wrong with that! LOL

Good call. Maybe all that rivalry karma will cancel out and we'll get a winner - finally.... Go Vols!!!

Written on ESPN report says Charlie Strong is top candidate for Tennessee head football coach:

in response to Vol_in_Mich:

Mark my words, if true, this is a very bad move.
I really hoped the Vols could do better. I should have known better than to get my hopes up. You would think that after 64 years I would know better. Oh well, it's just football. Jimmy Sexton strikes again.

Who was better that we could have gotten? To get someone "better" than Strong I'll give you several coaching pools to choose from. Pool A: wildly successful coaches at established BCS powerhouses (regular NYD bowl game participants, BCS bowl at least every third year, and playing in NC at least once every 5 years), you're talking Stoops, Meyer, Saban, Miles, Brown, Kelly. Nope, none of them are leaving to fix us. Pool B - relatively successful coaches in BCS conferences (mostly NYD bowls, occasional conference champion/BCS visit, rarely if ever NC hopes), men like Snyder, Gundy, Bielema, Petrino, Strong, Patterson. Pool C: up and coming guys like Jones, Hudspeth, Hazell, Golden, Fedora. Pool D: coordinators with big names. Pool E: NFL guys - Gruden, Cowher, Roman.

Can't get Pool A, Pool C are unproven, Pool D are even more risky unless hired from within, and Pool E is fantasy if for nothing else than the financials. That leaves Pool B which is where Hart has been looking. Strong is as good as anybody there and should fit in well at UT. I just want to know whom you think would have been better than Strong, given that we can only hire those men who want the job? Go Vols!!!

Written on ESPN report says Charlie Strong is top candidate for Tennessee head football coach:

in response to CMKSIDESHOW:

Charlie Strong REALLY!, that stinks, thats the best we could do, let him know how louisville does vs florida, Im sure the rest of the SEC coaches will tell us what a great hire he is, wonder why florida didn't hire him then when Urban Meyer left. STRONG IS THE WRONG CHOICE IF THEY HIRE HIM.

Why didn't Florida didn't hire him to replace Meyer? Well, first, how do you know they didn't ask him through back channels about his interest? You don't. He had only been at Louisville one year at that point. If you hire a coach who, under no duress, will leave somewhere else after one year you probably aren't getting a guy who will be loyal to you either. Second, with only one year's HC experience they probably weren't sure he could handle a program of Florida's scope. I doubt they would think that now. Third, Louisville's performance against Florida in the Sugar Bowl will have absolutely no bearing on his ability to coach Tennessee or any prognostic value as to how we would fare against Florida (or any other SEC opponent) down the road. At Louisville he does not have SEC caliber players. At Tennessee he will, if not now in the future. That's like saying Saban can't coach because Bama couldn't beat the Bears. So what? Beating your peer group at one level translates almost every time to continuing that trend at higher levels. I can't wait to see what he can do recruiting and coaching. Bring him on. Go Vols!!!

Written on ESPN report says Charlie Strong is top candidate for Tennessee head football coach:

in response to VolzsFan:

We have completely became Mississippi State!!!

No idea what that even means. Franklin has proven only that Vandy now can beat teams with losing records, something they didn't always do in the past. They are paying him well and he doesn't have to win to keep his job. Plus, do you really think Hart would have given Franklin, who's obviously loyal to Vandy, the chance to publicly turn down the UT job? No way, it's a PR nightmare. Butch Davis is a great coach and I would love to have him but despite all his pleadings to the contrary, UNC did get in NCAA trouble on his watch and in our situation with the NCAA, we just don't need that right now. Strong is solid and Louisville is in the BCS with a team full of sophomores and juniors. Our team was full of sophomores and juniors...... And before you say "that's the Big East not the SEC," I'll say if you beat your peers, whatever conference you play in, you're a winner. Is Chris Peterson no good because he's at Boise? Saban won at Toledo, Meyer at Bowling Green, Tressel at Youngstown - are they not worthy? Strong's a winner and reportedly wants the job. I'd take him over any of the three other SEC hires this offseason, no question. Go Vols!!!

Written on ESPN report says Charlie Strong is top candidate for Tennessee head football coach:

He's a far cry splashier hire than Malzahn at Auburn and a much better fit than Bielema at Arkansas. He's a fierce recruiter who's had success in Florida for years, and that's pretty fast talking to get a kid from the Sunshine State to live in Louisville for 4 years. He's a well-respected defensive coach and more importantly, as such, might leave the offensive side of the ball relatively intact, ie., Chaney, Pittman, and Graham. He's also great with the boosters, HS coaches, etc... All the things he does well - recruit, coach a mean defense, and schmooze boosters - we have been in short supply of recently. I say quit goofing around and sign him up, we need to move forward. Go Vols!!!

Written on Is Tennessee's coaching search nearing the finish line, or does Dave Hart still plan more talks? :

in response to 10seVol85_Part_Deux:

I agree with everything you said, but just one little criticism. Sometimes one little conjunction can make a big difference.

"...didn't figure it could hurt to see if he could shoot the moon."

...didn't figure it could hurt to see if he could shoot FOR the moon.

See the difference? Of course, maybe he was just shooting the moon. Since Peyton did it, it's kind of a tradition I guess. haha

Yeah, caught that after I posted it. I was hoping I would relate to some old Rook players...

Written on Is Tennessee's coaching search nearing the finish line, or does Dave Hart still plan more talks? :

Fedora may well be the man although he's known to completely ignore the defensive side of the ball. Uh, we've seen that movie and know how it ends in the SEC. However, were he to hire a good DC that would be OK. The other issue is that he runs a spread offense, similar to Oregon. Great you say? Remember the "Clawfense" from a few years ago? We don't have the players to run that offense and we'd be in for a couple more years of "can we make a bowl?" before things turned around, if at all at that point. I still like Charlie Strong and I still say that's who Hart is going to ultimately hire. Go Vols!!!

Written on Is Tennessee's coaching search nearing the finish line, or does Dave Hart still plan more talks? :

Every school gets "who is left", that is the nature of a coaching search. And Hart, if he chooses Strong, Fedora, Golden, Davis, Jones, or whomever, may still have gotten who he wanted but didn't figure it would hurt to see if he could shoot the moon. If he doesn't talk (or at least try) to Gruden, Fisher, Stoops, etc..., he's blasted by fans for settling on a lesser guy. If he talks to them and they don't drop everything to take the job, we are hosed and nobody wants to come to Knoxville. C'mon folks, we only want the man who wants us and we will get him. The last two searches were conducted by Hamilton, the latter hire under extreme duress caused by rushing into the former one. Hart is taking his time and doing due diligence to try and get it right. And who cares if some of the coaches he's talked to are using that to get a raise? Does that mean he shouldn't have talked to them? Relax, we'll know in a couple of days. After listening to Strong's comments, I think he's got the job unless Gundy wants it, which I doubt. Frankly, I'd rather have Strong. Go Vols!!!

Written on John Adams: Even though it won't be Jon Gruden, the new coach will win over UT fans at media conference :

in response to zombievol:

Las Vegas odds on favorite is between Jim Tressel or Butch Davis, with the latter being the the most favored... Despite past transgressions I think our program would flourish under either of those coaches

Butch Davis has openly indicated he would like to get back into coaching and he has won everywhere he's been. He has coached in the NFL and recruited from North Carolina to Florida VERY successfully. He claims the NCAA exonerated him in the UNC academic scandal. If true, he's a steal on the order of Bobby Petrino, without the girlfriend, the drama, or the propensity to leave current employers holding the bag. Tressel, another great coach, has a show-cause order through the 2016 season. Teams who have just had their probation increased by two years do NOT need to hire a man the NCAA calls a cheater. Strong apparently waiting to hear if he's offered the job and he probably will be as soon as Gundy gets his raise from OSU. This is the week boys and girls, buckle your seatbelts. Go Vols!!!

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