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This seems to be a big deal to media....who really gives a crappe if its 8 or 9? All that Vol fans want is marked IMPROVEMENT!
All of the former Vols of days gone by that Strange referenced in regards to the NFL were pretty intelligent people....that is the difference.
Moral of the story is don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I agree about Adams owing Hood an apology. It is amazing the class Hood has exhibited towards Adams after the way Adams ripped him when he was being recruited. I have personally spoken with Adams in a restaurant when I was seated near him....I was not impressed but I would not publically ridicule Adams as Adams did Daniel Hood.
I can remember as a young high school kid during the Sixties watching Tom play for the Vols and being amazed that anyone could be that big and play basketball. God rest your Soul Tom.
It is very good to see the many 4-5 star athletes at least considering the Vols....that was not so much the case under Dooley. Seems Dooleys arrogance really bit the program hard. I never saw what he had to be arrogant about in the first place. He was a walk-on player that played at a non-meaningful program and had a losing record as a college coach at a small school program before he was hired by Mike Hamilton....who by the way is soley responsible for the financial woes the athletic department is now experiencing. Anyway, there has been nothing but a upbeat outlook since Coach Jones arrived....I finally think we have found "our man".
Regards, Mike
Martins teams are too slow out of the gate and we still do not know how to make a decent percentage of our free throws.
Yes, it is wayyyyy to early to even be talking about statues.....but I do think we are definitely headed in the right direction....and recruiting also is a witness to this.
I noticed that YOU used the term A hole when quoting that "there are 'A holes' in all parts of the land". And I do suppose Quinn can give us a "fair" report on the GA match....he has been getting better with time....maybe he has found a woman;).
Yeah, its seems as if Quinn has finally calmed down and quit trying to be a smart A, yankee A hole. Maybe he is finding out that this is a pretty decent place to live.I know he has to find the winters much more pleasant than in philly.
Welcome to hillbilly heaven Butch! Oh what a beautiful sight.
Sooo, has any of you top scoop media types found out the real reason Jay Graham left his alma mater after he was counter-offered.....you don't leave your alma mater when you have been salary matched....unless of course there are other reasons.
Bruce Pearl should appeal his unreasonable 3 year show/cause coaching penalty. Two years is more reasonable and more inline with other coaches sanctions. I am sure Bruce has learned his lesson....and we sure have learned ours about Mike Hamilton.
Cuonzo better step it up soon because after next year, you know who comes off probation....and I am sure you know who could be secured for a very reasonable sum with, of course, heavy restrictions on unacceptable behaviour.
John, you and I are about the same age.....this article makes me want to be more self observant.....especially around my children.
Juvenile James Franklin.
in response to kjav: It’s a shame to see Stokes’ ability wasted. He was a sure NBA prospect and to look at him now you just hope he can make some European team. I don’t know if it is heart or coaching but this won’t be good for recruiting.
in response to kjav:
It’s a shame to see Stokes’ ability wasted. He was a sure NBA prospect and to look at him now you just hope he can make some European team. I don’t know if it is heart or coaching but this won’t be good for recruiting.
Exactly....Stokes sure is not a resume builder for Martin so far....I cannot help but wonder if Hubbs is not doing alot of second guessing now on his commitment.
I too will be praying for the Bennett family....especially his young sons.
I appreciate Maymon's attitude and outlook about his injury. I wish him the utmost success in all his endeavors.
in response to SummittsCourt: For all of the Vol fans who didn't want Charlie Strong coaching the Vols because he was a Big East coach... what do you think now? Let's hope bUTch Jones makes this point moot.
in response to SummittsCourt:
For all of the Vol fans who didn't want Charlie Strong coaching the Vols because he was a Big East coach... what do you think now?
Let's hope bUTch Jones makes this point moot.
I still will take Jones over Strong and I believe time will bear this out....truth of the matter is that Louvull played way over their head and got some fortunate bounces and the Gators never bothered to show up....great job motivating muskchump.
I am very hopeful that B.Jones will make us think of a young Doug Dickey back in the mid-sixties....hopefully with the same winning results. On a different note, I just finished watching the Rose bowl and I think Wisconsins receivers had the worse hands of any team I saw in the recent Bowl games ....their coach is now our coach....although I will say that their QB from Tennessee's Kingsport D-B high school seemed to be throwing high most of the evening.
in response to GOJO: ************** At your wife's house while you are gone to the game.
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At your wife's house while you are gone to the game.
Bahhhhhhhhhaha.....yea alabubba!
Sheez....JA must have gorged on holiday fruit cake.
in response to DennisVols: When you have 4 different coaches in a 5 year span, 3 constitutive losing seasons, beginning the 3rd different defense in 3 years (4-3, 3-4, 4-3) there are going to be a certain amount of de-commitment and changes of minds when you are talking about talented kids making a lifetime commitment to a university. I would love to see a bunch of top rated recruits jump on board but the facts say the smoke has to clear and the dust settle before UT can expect to sway a lot of these kids. There is a lot to be said for stability of a program and in case you haven’t noticed this program has not had that in quite some time. Give Jones a chance, it will take time. We did not get into this position overnight and we will not get out of it overnight either.Keeping it RealGoVols!!!
in response to DennisVols:
When you have 4 different coaches in a 5 year span, 3 constitutive losing seasons, beginning the 3rd different defense in 3 years (4-3, 3-4, 4-3) there are going to be a certain amount of de-commitment and changes of minds when you are talking about talented kids making a lifetime commitment to a university. I would love to see a bunch of top rated recruits jump on board but the facts say the smoke has to clear and the dust settle before UT can expect to sway a lot of these kids. There is a lot to be said for stability of a program and in case you haven’t noticed this program has not had that in quite some time. Give Jones a chance, it will take time. We did not get into this position overnight and we will not get out of it overnight either.Keeping it RealGoVols!!!
Amen Dennis....the legions of the miserable whine whenever the winds of change blow...OUR new coach will need some time for his staff to form relationships with recruits....very little spilled milk in a 3 star juco who was recruited for a 3-4 going elsewhere....I suppose we will have to endure this "sky is falling" mentality until Butch & Co. get settled and established.
in response to Vols4Ever: Dave Hart strikes again!
in response to Vols4Ever:
Dave Hart strikes again!
Dave Hart is not the culprit....it is Mike Hamilton and his ridiculous contractual agreement with Dooley that is costing the Vols dearly.
in response to scvols: Just win 6 games so we can go to a bowl, 6 games.
in response to scvols:
Just win 6 games so we can go to a bowl, 6 games.
Amen.
in response to SevenT: You need to read how "Value" is defined by Forbes. It really has nothing to do with Book Value or Cash Flow. It is about the perceived value in the local community, value in the league and value to the University to fund other AD programs. Make no mistake about it Tennessee Football is a dump program worth about 7 or 8 wins per season tops. What has always amazed me is Tennesse Fans actually believe they are on equal level with Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Ark, SC when in reality they are on par with Ole Miss, Vandy and Kentucky. I suppose that is what a hillbilly mountain education will teach you. Just Saying
in response to SevenT:
You need to read how "Value" is defined by Forbes. It really has nothing to do with Book Value or Cash Flow. It is about the perceived value in the local community, value in the league and value to the University to fund other AD programs.
Make no mistake about it Tennessee Football is a dump program worth about 7 or 8 wins per season tops. What has always amazed me is Tennesse Fans actually believe they are on equal level with Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Ark, SC when in reality they are on par with Ole Miss, Vandy and Kentucky. I suppose that is what a hillbilly mountain education will teach you.
Just Saying
Yes, the Vols are CURENTLY in a slump just like alabama was a few years ago....You did not bother to mention what team you are a fan of SevenT....is that because you are nothing but troll trash?? just to enlighten your urine ant mind....Tennessee is 2nd in the SEC in conference wins, 2nd in SEC Titles, and 2nd in National Titles and is in the Top Ten in the nation for all-time wins...yes we are in a slump, but WE WILL be back. Does your mommy know that you are on her computer?
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For now maybe....but they will lose to the Vols in BB as usual...
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The last couple of times that Alabubba and ND played for all the marbles, ND whipped alabubbas tail.....do it before you brag about it....alabubba hardly looked invincible against GA a couple of weeks ago....matter of fact...bubba was hanging on for dear life at the end.
in response to proudveteran: Athletic Director Dave Hart deserves some appreciation for the manner and success in hiring Butch Davis as the Vol Nation new football coach. Hart did not waste $500,000 of UT money in retaining a search firm to accomplish the task either and had the new coach in place within two days of his prior announced intentions. Davis quickly put in place the rest of the coaching staff within budget with some "recruiters" to get the UT talent level competitive with the rest of the SEC. It is now time for the real Vol fans to get behind our coaching staff and support them. No more negative stuff that has hurt our recruiting program...those recruits read this "negative junk" too!
in response to proudveteran:
Athletic Director Dave Hart deserves some appreciation for the manner and success in hiring Butch Davis as the Vol Nation new football coach. Hart did not waste $500,000 of UT money in retaining a search firm to accomplish the task either and had the new coach in place within two days of his prior announced intentions. Davis quickly put in place the rest of the coaching staff within budget with some "recruiters" to get the UT talent level competitive with the rest of the SEC. It is now time for the real Vol fans to get behind our coaching staff and support them. No more negative stuff that has hurt our recruiting program...those recruits read this "negative junk" too!
Senior moment?....Butch JONES
in response to ProfessionalHandicapper: And Fulmer won a national Championship while Chavis has won National Championships at two schools. Cutcliff coached Peyton and Eli Manning to the NFL elite status. Trooper Taylor won a national Championship at Auburn. Kippy Brown won a National Championship nad coached in the NFL playoffs last year. Much better than any of these coaches yett they all have one thing in common, they were sent packing by the University of Tennessee.. How is that working out for ya? You now owe 9'6 million in buyouts , you are broke, you are at the bottom of the Conference, went 1-7 in the SEC and now are praying these guys can somehow match what you already had. Lack of loyalty has decimated a once decent program. Karma has come home. Vols for life? Ha ha .. Ask T martin why he siad no way after watching Chuck Smith get run out of town also.
in response to ProfessionalHandicapper:
And Fulmer won a national Championship while Chavis has won National Championships at two schools. Cutcliff coached Peyton and Eli Manning to the NFL elite status. Trooper Taylor won a national Championship at Auburn. Kippy Brown won a National Championship nad coached in the NFL playoffs last year. Much better than any of these coaches yett they all have one thing in common, they were sent packing by the University of Tennessee.. How is that working out for ya? You now owe 9'6 million in buyouts , you are broke, you are at the bottom of the Conference, went 1-7 in the SEC and now are praying these guys can somehow match what you already had. Lack of loyalty has decimated a once decent program. Karma has come home. Vols for life? Ha ha .. Ask T martin why he siad no way after watching Chuck Smith get run out of town also.
No more afternoon coffee breaks for you....take a chill pill buddy.
Sounding more and more like Tee Martin is coming home....I sure hope so....USC's #1 recruiter now and Tee coached his first Fred Biletnikoff winner this year...and maybe he could bring back Jalen....the #1 recruit in the State that committed to USC back in July.
Yea, the SEC leap was way too steep for Charlie Strong....and am I ever glad.
I am Grateful...I am grateful for Butch Jones because he WANTS to be here. I believe it was destiny that Gundy and Strong turned the job down....I believe it was destiny that kept Butch Jones from accepting the Colorado job after all they offered him...I am grateful that Butch Jones has the kind of background that this program needs and that background will make him successful in the SEC.I truly feel that we have finally found the road to recovery....its been a miserable 5 years. I intend to send C.Strong a Christmas card and truly thank him for being afraid of being a head coach in the SEC...it would have been a terrible blow and hire for Tennessee if he would have been hired. He is where he needs to be and Butch Jones is where he needs to be. I believe Butch Jones will finish with a much better recruiting class in February than we would have had without him. I believe that the recruiting class will be the first evidence of the good things Tennessee will have instore with Butch Jones as coach. I am thankful that he has a young family so that he can become fully involved with Knoxville and community. Yes, I am grateful that things are looking much better and once again we have real hope with a eye towards the future and REAL Tennessee football. Merry Christmas brothers of the Orange.
in response to swampbuggy: Mid-American Conference? A real powerhouse! Like I said - no conference affiliation! By the way it's "You're" not "Your". Let me guess, top of your second grade class - right?
in response to swampbuggy:
Mid-American Conference? A real powerhouse! Like I said - no conference affiliation!
By the way it's "You're" not "Your". Let me guess, top of your second grade class - right?
Get a life spelling police officer...we know your type...the kind that will be squalling to fire Butch Jones after his first loss...go hang out at the laundrymat and leave us alone.
in response to swampbuggy: You're right, no conference affiliation - so is that better? I'm trying to be civil so I won't stoop to your level of name calling. I thought it was possible to come in here and discuss football and as long as I behaved, you would. I'm holding my tongue out of respect to those who want to carry on a normal, objective conversation.
You're right, no conference affiliation - so is that better?
I'm trying to be civil so I won't stoop to your level of name calling. I thought it was possible to come in here and discuss football and as long as I behaved, you would. I'm holding my tongue out of respect to those who want to carry on a normal, objective conversation.
Your wrong again...Central Michigan is in the Mid-American Conference...yes that is conference affiliation. Sheez....so uninformed but yet wanting to proudly spout out these erroneous statemments.
in response to swampbuggy: Someone commentred that Jones had wins in the SEC. He's had one against Vandy in 2011 when his team beat Vandy 31-14, which is better than UT did that year. In 2008 he lost to Georgia 56-17 and last year he lost to UT 45-23 under Dooley. In 2007 he lost to that powerhouse North Dakota State 44-14 and to Clemson 70-14, all while serving as head coach in the Big East which is a nothing conference. Brian Kelly left him a very strong in 2009 and I can't see where he improved on it. BUT, I still hope he works out at UT. Remember, it's all Kiffin's fault with a nudge from Hart.
Someone commentred that Jones had wins in the SEC. He's had one against Vandy in 2011 when his team beat Vandy 31-14, which is better than UT did that year. In 2008 he lost to Georgia 56-17 and last year he lost to UT 45-23 under Dooley. In 2007 he lost to that powerhouse North Dakota State 44-14 and to Clemson 70-14, all while serving as head coach in the Big East which is a nothing conference.
Brian Kelly left him a very strong in 2009 and I can't see where he improved on it.
BUT, I still hope he works out at UT. Remember, it's all Kiffin's fault with a nudge from Hart.
A Cincinnati TV sports director said in a Knoxville interview this morning that Brian Kelly DID NOT leave Butch Jones alot to work with and after recruiting his own players improved significantly his 2nd and 3rd season...winning the Big East Conference. Like I said earlier, get your facts straight or better yet stay off the internet.
No dufus, in 07 and 08 he was not in the Big East conference, but was head coach of the Central Michigan Chippewas....get your facts straight or stay off the internet.
I voted NO this a.m. about this being a good hire, If I could I would change my vote after reading some facts and watching the Jones presser. I think we got lucky for a change and I thank our lucky stars that Strong turned down the job. I think we as fans finally will have something to look forward to...
in response to Ares: I donate over 100,000 dollars a year. That ends today. Tennessee is not the Tn I graduated from in 82.
in response to Ares:
I donate over 100,000 dollars a year. That ends today. Tennessee is not the Tn I graduated from in 82.
Tennessee wasn't worth a shet when you went to school there....and hasn't been significant in the last ten years...what took you so long to stop your funding this foolishness........ Mr.Moneybags
I am grateful that they did not hire Strong....would have been another nightmare. Here's some food for thought for all of the Strong whiners...B.Jones/Cincinnati has played Strong/Louisville the last three years and has won 2 of 3 and the one he lost this year was in OT by a field goal at Louisville. This hire could have been much worse...thankfully Strong was chickenshet to risk the big stage and after telling the Vols yes, he thought about what he was getting into and elected to play it safe....not the coach that we need for sure.
Oh,btw, does anyone know what Hart's contract looks like going forward?
Same song 4th verse.....and the rest of the SEC is yawning....IMO of the SEC football vacancy hires, the TN hire will impact the least. This is our "homerun" hire that Hart said was coming?
This is a blessing....another freakin nightmare avoided.
Please hire LARRY FEDORA....
I do not want Strong....way over-rated in a urine ant conference. I just checked 2013 class rankings on Rivals.com and guess what....Louisville's assembled commitments are currently ranked #72....this is just sickening to try and hire this man. We better hope he turns Hart down. What is the deal with the fascination with Strong?
in response to pcshowtime: Gundy's record in a tougher conference that the big east2005– 4–72006– 7–6 Independ Bowl vs. Alabama 34–31 (W)2007– 7–6 Insight Bowl vs. Indiana 49–33 (W)2008– 9–4 Holiday Bowl vs. Oregon 31–42 (L)2009– 9–4 Cotton Bowl vs. Ole Miss 21–7 (L)2010– 11–2 Alamo Bowl vs. Arizona 36–10 (W)2011– 12–1 Fiesta Bowl vs. Stanford 41-38 (W) 66-35 TOTALcurrent ranking class is 3rd big 12 Strong record in an easer big east conference. 2010 7-62011 7-6 Loss belk bowl2012 10-2 sugar bowltotal 24-14current ranking 7th our 8th in big east. larry fedora2008 South Miss 7–6 W New Orleans2009 South Miss 7–6 L New Orleans2010 South Miss 8–5 L Beef 'O' Brady's2011 South Miss 12–2 W Hawai'iSouthern Mississippi:34–19North Carolina Tar Heels2012 North Carolina 8–4North Carolina:8–4Total: 42–23ACC tougher than Big East.4th in the acc in recruiting. how can you honestly say that charlie strong is as good as gundy or fedora.
in response to pcshowtime:
Gundy's record in a tougher conference that the big east2005– 4–72006– 7–6 Independ Bowl vs. Alabama 34–31 (W)2007– 7–6 Insight Bowl vs. Indiana 49–33 (W)2008– 9–4 Holiday Bowl vs. Oregon 31–42 (L)2009– 9–4 Cotton Bowl vs. Ole Miss 21–7 (L)2010– 11–2 Alamo Bowl vs. Arizona 36–10 (W)2011– 12–1 Fiesta Bowl vs. Stanford 41-38 (W)
66-35 TOTALcurrent ranking class is 3rd big 12
Strong record in an easer big east conference.
2010 7-62011 7-6 Loss belk bowl2012 10-2 sugar bowltotal 24-14current ranking 7th our 8th in big east.
larry fedora2008 South Miss 7–6 W New Orleans2009 South Miss 7–6 L New Orleans2010 South Miss 8–5 L Beef 'O' Brady's2011 South Miss 12–2 W Hawai'iSouthern Mississippi:34–19North Carolina Tar Heels2012 North Carolina 8–4North Carolina:8–4Total: 42–23ACC tougher than Big East.4th in the acc in recruiting.
how can you honestly say that charlie strong is as good as gundy or fedora.
*******Look at the current ESPN class recruiting rankings...
Gundy OK ST #24
Fedora UNC #14
Dooley TN #28(fired)
Strong Louisville not listed in the ESPN Top 40
I am not in favor of Strong or Gundy...they both have some unfavorable drawbacks....I believe that Larry Fedora is our best choice.
I have a bad feeling that this Maymon deal is going to be for the entire season....Vols will be just average at best without Maymon. Just seems like a curse has befell the entire athletic program. Vol fans have had very little to cheer about in quite awhile....hoping the worm turns.
in response to Orangeblood13: Arkansas just trumped us in the hire if this is trueEveryone out there and we get Charlie strong ?
in response to Orangeblood13:
Arkansas just trumped us in the hire if this is trueEveryone out there and we get Charlie strong ?
Who in the heck is "Everyone"....TN is no longer a "pie" job. Lots of baggage that has to be overcome with the TN job. You better hope like heck it works out with any hire TN can make at this point in its history.
Gundy is a loose cannon....the book is still out on Strong....I also think Larry Fedora would be as good of a choice as any still mentioned.
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