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no big thing, we offered one of the Berry boys a scholly when he was 13
Doesn't matter if we have the 49ers offensive line if the defense yields 600 yards and 55 points per game! We couldn't score fast enough to keep up with the other team last year. We better put some emphasis on improving our defense from last year!!
Actually, 7 was pretty much on line with his post. Wonders never cease.
Anyone know why so many ex UT hoopsters are in the area (Chism, Tyler, Dane,etc)? Do they work in the area or just what is going on with that?
Very cautious optimism. Don't expect the old Maymon, Vol fans.
Once again our posters are trying to kill the messenger. You can't state the obvious on this site without all the idiots calling you a negavol, etc.
I wonder who will be the toughest opponent of the first three? Western, Peay, or the Ducks?
Hey, John! He's not from Memphis!! Just kiddin'!
I think we will know for sure this season whether or not Cuonzo is our coach of the future. If he can't win big with the lineup he has available this yr., he can never win. This is his make or break year in my opinion.
in response to VolunteerLifer: Really? You think so? A talented guy from his program is now playing for UT when he could just as easily be playing for Memphis doesn't bother Josh? Not to mention the rabid Memphis fan? Think again, misfit. Do you think Memphis kids who grow up rooting for the Tigers don't notice that Barton - a three year Tiger - (not to mention a certain 5-star Memphian recruit) are now playing for the Volunteers? Do you think Pastner doesn't care about that, given all his caterwauling (get it? Tigers=cats=caterwauling?) about playing the Vols vs recruiting opportunities for UT in Memphis? Doesn't matter where the kid is originally from anymore. He is a three-year Memphis player that talented young Memphis kids have identified with for three years and are now seeing him giving up his remaining year of eligibility he could have given to the Tigers to play for The University of Tennessee. Could have cared less? You better believe he cares a lot. You say you are earth bound? I'd say more like space cadet.
in response to VolunteerLifer:
Really? You think so? A talented guy from his program is now playing for UT when he could just as easily be playing for Memphis doesn't bother Josh? Not to mention the rabid Memphis fan? Think again, misfit.
Do you think Memphis kids who grow up rooting for the Tigers don't notice that Barton - a three year Tiger - (not to mention a certain 5-star Memphian recruit) are now playing for the Volunteers? Do you think Pastner doesn't care about that, given all his caterwauling (get it? Tigers=cats=caterwauling?) about playing the Vols vs recruiting opportunities for UT in Memphis?
Doesn't matter where the kid is originally from anymore. He is a three-year Memphis player that talented young Memphis kids have identified with for three years and are now seeing him giving up his remaining year of eligibility he could have given to the Tigers to play for The University of Tennessee.
Could have cared less? You better believe he cares a lot. You say you are earth bound? I'd say more like space cadet.
In addition to what you said, VL, the Tigers also had Tariq Black who left to go to Kansas. I think he is from Memphis. Does this send a message to the kids that if you don't cut it, Josh may send you packing, regardless of whether or not you are a Memphis kid? Maybe. Josh just got a million dollar raise, though, and I think with Josh changing conferences and starting to recruit more nationally, there will be more Memphis kids leaving home.
I have seen Barton play for several years, living here in Memphis. He is a very good player that will be of immense help to UT. He is just not on the same scale as Jackson, which not many are. This is a very important piece of the puzzle that UT needed immensely. This probably saved Cuonzo's job for at least one more year, depending upon Thompson's development next year. With Barton added, we should expect Sweet Sixteen this year.
in response to movol53: Will he be eligible to play this Fall?? Moving from one D 1 school to another; I thought he would have to sit out one year.
in response to movol53:
Will he be eligible to play this Fall?? Moving from one D 1 school to another; I thought he would have to sit out one year.
he is a graduate student. Doesn't have to sit.
in response to licknpromise777#651578: It would be great to find a nice JUCO PG but this late in the game that train has left the station and we have no scholarship to give..Martin's plan was to groom Thompson under Golden but that's out the window and the pressure is really on this freshman!!!Thompson made it clear he came to UT for early playing time..He got his wish
in response to licknpromise777#651578:
It would be great to find a nice JUCO PG but this late in the game that train has left the station and we have no scholarship to give..Martin's plan was to groom Thompson under Golden but that's out the window and the pressure is really on this freshman!!!Thompson made it clear he came to UT for early playing time..He got his wish
actually we do have an extra scholarship to give. Golden opened up another scholarship.
in response to oldster: It is extremely hard to win at any level of basketball without a top notch point guard. They are comparable to a football QB. You can win with competant, but it is much easier with a Manning or a Brady. UT does not have anyone comparable to them and it too much to expect a freshman to be that (there is the occassional John Wall, I admit). Therefore, doing anything much better than a 20 to 25 win season, losing in the first round of the SEC tournament (again), and winning one or two games in the NCAA is building oneself up for a big letdown. Come down to earth by reaching reasonable expectations, or come down with a thud when the team drops you and your expectations - they always, always do.
in response to oldster:
It is extremely hard to win at any level of basketball without a top notch point guard. They are comparable to a football QB. You can win with competant, but it is much easier with a Manning or a Brady. UT does not have anyone comparable to them and it too much to expect a freshman to be that (there is the occassional John Wall, I admit). Therefore, doing anything much better than a 20 to 25 win season, losing in the first round of the SEC tournament (again), and winning one or two games in the NCAA is building oneself up for a big letdown. Come down to earth by reaching reasonable expectations, or come down with a thud when the team drops you and your expectations - they always, always do.
Don't know about that. Alabama won several NC in football without a "name" QB.
Good to hear Martin confess a lack of evaluation on staff. I am beginning to wonder if the coaching staff evaluates properly. Case in point the signing of Ndiaye (spelling?). IMO we would have done better looking at the JC to replace Big Mac.
Just isn't a lot of talent outside the OL. Gonna take some time even with a coupla good recruiting years. 6-6 is best we can expect this year.
in response to nocleats: DLINEMAN DLINEMAN DLINEMAN DLINEMAN! For Goodness sakes Vols need several DLINEMAN this year. Quality game changing offensive coordinator nightmare D lineman... Gonna have to be both Juco ready to step in and the HS studs who can contribute early ..
in response to nocleats:
DLINEMAN DLINEMAN DLINEMAN DLINEMAN! For Goodness sakes Vols need several DLINEMAN this year. Quality game changing offensive coordinator nightmare D lineman... Gonna have to be both Juco ready to step in and the HS studs who can contribute early ..
There is a 4* lineman out of Ga. that is supposed to make his announcement on Thurs. He has UT as his favorite at this point, can't recall his name. Maybe this will start the grunt commitments to start coming in!
My mistake. Thought there was a separate thread about tyler bray.
in response to born2ride: See ya, traitor.
in response to born2ride:
See ya, traitor.
what say you now, Goober?
in response to jack4444: Yea Butch hired him because he's an idiot. Quality analysis.
in response to jack4444:
Yea Butch hired him because he's an idiot.
Quality analysis.
That one really cracked me up!! Good one!!
How long are the idiots gonna continue to bring up Dooley killin us (or Hamilton or Fulmer). Get over it already!
Coach says he may be able to return before spring practice ends. Things will be fine. Why all the speculation? Bunch of women gossiping on this board.
When will some of you guys stop cryin' about Hamilton and Dooley? Man up! Please!
I've heard Kiel is still available!
Who will be the first idiot to blame Hamilton for this one?
Article says he is a combo guard. Is that going to translate into him being our pg?
More proof that McRae certainly wasn't POY in SEC like many thought he should be. He just isn't consistent enough. Borderline first team All SEC. Real players produce when the game is on the line. We don't see that from any of our players (even Stokes at this point).
Problem is that most games are now decided by a "couple 3's and free throws". We don't seem to be able to master the fundamentals like most good teams (occasional zone defense, clutch free throws, substitution patterns, etc.)
in response to Witch_Doctors: Witch Doctor agree! Witch Doctor think this team over achieved without Maymon. Witch Doctor say NOBODY thought in Jan. this team would win 20 games. Witch Doctor say the troll and miserables are only here when we lose and no where to be found when we win. Witch Doctor say they post some of the dumbest stuff...tells on themselves, if been a blast tonight calling them on it! Bones never lie.Witchie also miss Kurt Cobain, Pals and Ridgewood BBQ!
in response to Witch_Doctors:
Witch Doctor agree! Witch Doctor think this team over achieved without Maymon. Witch Doctor say NOBODY thought in Jan. this team would win 20 games. Witch Doctor say the troll and miserables are only here when we lose and no where to be found when we win. Witch Doctor say they post some of the dumbest stuff...tells on themselves, if been a blast tonight calling them on it! Bones never lie.Witchie also miss Kurt Cobain, Pals and Ridgewood BBQ!
Sorry, Witchy, but I did predict 20 wins on Jan 6 with SEC record of 13-5. I sure didn't expect losing twice to Ga. and Alabubba, though.
I am disappointed but this is about what we should have been. I don't expect an invite because I think the Ala. game was possibly a play-in game. I expect 25 wins next yr and a top 4 seed.
I like Jarnell's attitude and I agree with him. If he had gone after rebounds the first of the season like he did the last, we would have won 2 or 3 more games. His inconsistency in the first half also cost him 1st team votes.
Is there anybody else out there that would enjoy reading 10 or 15 consecutive posts which do not refer to Dooley or Fulmer?
That is ancient history - lets stick with current events, please!
in response to licknpromise777#651578: NBA is a tough nut to crack..So many think they have it but don't even make the D league. Chism, Lofton,Prince and J. Smith all were great Vols and game changers but never really sniffed the NBA..Tobias Harris has been with the Bucks awhile and I don't think he avg.s. 2 or 3 PPG. If he gets to see the court at all
NBA is a tough nut to crack..So many think they have it but don't even make the D league. Chism, Lofton,Prince and J. Smith all were great Vols and game changers but never really sniffed the NBA..Tobias Harris has been with the Bucks awhile and I don't think he avg.s. 2 or 3 PPG. If he gets to see the court at all
Since his trade to Orlando, Tobias is playing quite well and averaging 25+ minutes per game.
There are several conferences that are poor this year besides the SEC. About 15 different teams are actually on the bubble and can get in this thing. Stay tuned for an interesting 10 days.
We have no prayer if McBee, Richardson, Golden all shoot like they did on Sat. Pack 4 in on Jarnell and then we score our 55 pts.
We have to figure out a way to get Hall involved or get golden to play more one on one with penetration drives.
More than anything, what hurt is that if UT had won, we most likely would have gotten a double bye in the SEC tourney and our chances to win the tourney would have been about 75% better. We have about a 1 in 10 chance of winning it now. Big difference!!
Everybody keeps talking bad matchups. I don't know that it is the matchup that causes McBee to shoot 0-8 or for Golden to shoot 1-10 and for Richardson to shoot airballs. Seemed to me that it was a pure motivation issue.
Another NIT bid coming and a probable bad showing because the players will be thinking about how they blew another season.
If Martin doesn't go far into the big dance next season with the lineup he will have, it will be his last. Not saying I agree or disagree.
Tremendous game, and happy to eat crow!! Didn't think we could do it after an exhausting game this past weekend.
I have read on other websites that it is not about the money, it is a difference in offensive philosophy. I like coach Graham, but there are other good coaches available. Hope we go after Trooper.
UT would do the same thing. We have, what, 4 greyshirts in this yr's class?
There is a reason the gators are ranked 5th or maybe 4th now. It would be nice but how can you expect an unranked team that is lower ranked than Middle Tn. and a bunch of other mid tier teams to beat them. They have more NBA type players that are quicker and they have one of the best coaches in the country.
Would like to see an upset, but I don't think it will happen this week
Fla 74UT 67
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eggzactly what I was thimking!
Sorry I read these posts. My fault, thought this was a Butch Jones thread, not a Fulmer/Hamilton debate.
I would back coach with whichever way he goes on this. If he does sign, I'm sure coach would have him on a very short leash.
Can we try a 2-3-1 zone? (just kidding! don't rip me apart!)
Tournament is a very long shot. After all, Middle Tenn. is ranked higher in the polls than we are. Let's talk tourney in 2 weeks if UT goes 3-1 or 4-0 by then.
in response to iowavol: The problem might be even bigger than that. These one-and-doners probably aren't going to class or making the grades. What do they care, they are supposed to be in the NBA next year. Now, they have to come back and oops, they don't have the GPA to stay on the team. But, they aren't kicked out of school so they consume a scholly. Our buddy coach cal of memphis and uconn probation fame gets his due. He won't have enough players to practice.
in response to iowavol:
The problem might be even bigger than that. These one-and-doners probably aren't going to class or making the grades. What do they care, they are supposed to be in the NBA next year. Now, they have to come back and oops, they don't have the GPA to stay on the team. But, they aren't kicked out of school so they consume a scholly. Our buddy coach cal of memphis and uconn probation fame gets his due. He won't have enough players to practice.
Doesn't really matter, does it? Look at Manziel. Taking 4 classes, all on-line and they are all sports management classes. How is that for tough football college classes? They don't have to go to classes.
in response to johnlg00: No, we can handle the truth. We have all been disappointed when the team plays poorly. The thing is, you want to blame all their failures on the coach while giving him no credit for the wins. You can't have it both ways. One says of a team that puts it all together that they have gelled. Like crystal formation, a lot of factors have to be present before a compound suddenly changes from one state into another. If you were watching closely, as I was, you could have seen the signs that this team was on the verge of a major transformation. The first sign was when Stokes was given more freedom to operate outside the lane area. The second was when CCM showed a willingness to play some zone and some full-court pressure. The third was when he encouraged them to push the ball up the court for quick scores rather rather than walking it up all the time. The fourth came when Golden was allowed to be the player he IS rather than trying to fit him into a role he was/is not ideally suited to fill. His getting healthy allowed his game to blossom and all else followed from that. It is legitimate to wonder why it took so long for all this to happen, but starting the season without one of the team's main drive wheels, Maymon, meant that much of what the team was doing last year no longer applied. There were several freshmen who have been playing major roles lately who had to learn what they could and could not do on the court. Then you had arguably the team's pre-season 2d best player, Golden, go into a funk about the time the other guys were figuring their stuff out. Then when Golden came back strong, it all came together. Your syllogism is inadequate to account for all that has gone on with this team, which is: Coach sucks, therefore team plays bad; Coach sucks, so when the team plays well, he had nothing to do with it; therefore, Coach sucks. Simple-minded theory from a simple mind.
in response to johnlg00:
No, we can handle the truth. We have all been disappointed when the team plays poorly. The thing is, you want to blame all their failures on the coach while giving him no credit for the wins. You can't have it both ways.
One says of a team that puts it all together that they have gelled. Like crystal formation, a lot of factors have to be present before a compound suddenly changes from one state into another. If you were watching closely, as I was, you could have seen the signs that this team was on the verge of a major transformation.
The first sign was when Stokes was given more freedom to operate outside the lane area. The second was when CCM showed a willingness to play some zone and some full-court pressure. The third was when he encouraged them to push the ball up the court for quick scores rather rather than walking it up all the time. The fourth came when Golden was allowed to be the player he IS rather than trying to fit him into a role he was/is not ideally suited to fill. His getting healthy allowed his game to blossom and all else followed from that.
It is legitimate to wonder why it took so long for all this to happen, but starting the season without one of the team's main drive wheels, Maymon, meant that much of what the team was doing last year no longer applied. There were several freshmen who have been playing major roles lately who had to learn what they could and could not do on the court. Then you had arguably the team's pre-season 2d best player, Golden, go into a funk about the time the other guys were figuring their stuff out. Then when Golden came back strong, it all came together.
Your syllogism is inadequate to account for all that has gone on with this team, which is: Coach sucks, therefore team plays bad; Coach sucks, so when the team plays well, he had nothing to do with it; therefore, Coach sucks. Simple-minded theory from a simple mind.
Excellent post, John!
What we saw yesterday can be routine next year, with the maturity level increasing and with the energy and potential that Maymon will bring back. His leadership will be a tremendous lift for this team, and the addition of Hubbs should offset the loss of McBee and Hall.
Although I am not completely sold yet on Martin, next year will be the make or break year for coach.
Anyone else concerned about the about-face we had in the second half? I don't think an 18 point half will cut it against the blue saturday. Good to have a win though.
Be careful what we say, guys. Remember Daniel Hood and Michael Dyer (whom we are attempting to recruit)?
As far as recruiting is concerned, it is all about how well you can coach. If our staff is better at coaching than Vandy, Ky, SC and Ga. we can beat them even if we get slightly out-recruited. BTW, our class is rated ahead of Oregon and Texas.
in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE: No doubt, if he signed those athletes he would have certainly moved up the rankings to at least 17th nationally, so he's definitely weighing his options and it is for the betterment of UT in the long haul.
in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:
No doubt, if he signed those athletes he would have certainly moved up the rankings to at least 17th nationally, so he's definitely weighing his options and it is for the betterment of UT in the long haul.
My thinking is (and I could be way off base) he would rather save the schollies for next years abundant class than to give the 5 or 6 schollies to avg. players. He is making a gamble that he can gather better players next year and sign 28-30 better athletes. Does that make sense? Will the SEC allow 28-30 signees in a season? Will the signing of jucos next year count towards this years class if they are EE?
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