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There is SEC talent on both lines. That is where it starts.
in response to Ironcity: Get over it. Voloffaith is just listing the obvious. Dooley damaged a lot of careers except his own. he managed to leave with an additional 5 million in his pocket. I feel sorry for all the players, coaches and UT and La. Tech fans that had to endure Dooley and his ineptness.
in response to Ironcity:
Get over it. Voloffaith is just listing the obvious. Dooley damaged a lot of careers except his own. he managed to leave with an additional 5 million in his pocket. I feel sorry for all the players, coaches and UT and La. Tech fans that had to endure Dooley and his ineptness.
The whole thing comes down to Hamilton's hire of Kiffin.
Hamilton had months to make that decision and he couldn't have made a worse one. The Dooley hire was in like a 2 week window.
Quit complaining about Dooley and complain about how Hammy set UT football back 5 years with his lil Lane hire.
Sounds like Lane is growing up this year similar to Corey Miller last spring.
in response to cgbtn: If this is the guy responsible for evaluating the Browns' players, he probably can't tell a football player from a goat.
in response to cgbtn:
If this is the guy responsible for evaluating the Browns' players, he probably can't tell a football player from a goat.
Yea Butch hired him because he's an idiot.
Quality analysis.
The offensive line is the key. They put their minds to run blocking and DeAnthonie Summerhill will be successful.
Why Bray and Butch Jones were never a good fit:
"Name me a good football team whose quarterback wasn't a great leader," Jones said. "Usually your average to below average teams, the quarterback brings no leadership value. Everything is at quarterback as the coach on the field."
in response to licknpromise777#651578: I agree; Bray had his faults and didn't win in the clutch but every pass he threw had a chance to succeed and neither of these 2 QB's are even close to his talent..I suspect Jones will adjust and play to his strengths and last year at Cinncy he made a mid season QB change with good results
in response to licknpromise777#651578:
I agree; Bray had his faults and didn't win in the clutch but every pass he threw had a chance to succeed and neither of these 2 QB's are even close to his talent..I suspect Jones will adjust and play to his strengths and last year at Cinncy he made a mid season QB change with good results
Bray was a loser here. Look how he played in clutch time against florida, MSU, Mizzoud, SCar and GA. He was pretty to watch but couldn't close the deal. Gruden pointed this out to him- "peaks and valleys." Bray and those receivers made it fun to watch but the only close one they won was Troy for goodness sakes.
Bray may have left because he didn't want to run a read option offense but I seriously doubt Butch wanted him around. As Butch says the QB leads the team, like it or not, and Bray is definitely no leader.
in response to OwensboroVol: Just watching Tyler Bray on John Gruden's QB Camp on Cable. They have both said some really great things about the Vols. I hope a bunch of 5 star high school players are watching because I can't tell you how much what they said can mean to our recruiting. GBO!!! VFL
in response to OwensboroVol:
Just watching Tyler Bray on John Gruden's QB Camp on Cable. They have both said some really great things about the Vols. I hope a bunch of 5 star high school players are watching because I can't tell you how much what they said can mean to our recruiting. GBO!!! VFL
First time I ever saw Gruden draw on the board and not the QB. Gruden even had to tell Bray what his progressions were, Bray was stuttering. Like Gruden said, Bray is a gamble.
Gruden stepped up like somebosy who gets it, Bray still doesn't.
Good weather forecast. Large crowd would be cool.
OK, CCM is a good man, the kind of man you'd entrust your kid to for 4 years. His values are sound and he has overcome adversity. His practices sound disciplined and productive.
But can he coach on gameday? What do his teams do coming out of a timeout? Do his teams adapt and adjust during the game, even coming out in the second half?
CCM can learn to be a better gameday coach, maybe not a BP but better than he is now. Assuming Stokes returns- he's less ready than the unready McCrae- then next year will be CCM's make it or break it year. Sweet Sixteen.
Offensive line has got to be physical. They need to be able to run the ball consistently this year.
Russell needs to bulk up, gain strength. She got pushed around bigtime underneath.
I would imagine Tennessee won every tournament game where they scored 78 points prior to this one.
Defense and rebounding is what Pat preached. This team simply tried to outscore the opposition.
in response to antonio14313: either i'm missing something, or six from the OFFENSE is a high number?? ok, lemme type and think: bray, patterson, hunter, OL thomas, rivera (hopefully)... who's the sixth? i think that the writer meant to say that there'd be six from the ENTIRE TEAM that they expect to be drafted. the rest of our vols, sorry to say, will be free agents. but, hopefully successful pros!!! go vols. t
in response to antonio14313:
either i'm missing something, or six from the OFFENSE is a high number?? ok, lemme type and think: bray, patterson, hunter, OL thomas, rivera (hopefully)... who's the sixth? i think that the writer meant to say that there'd be six from the ENTIRE TEAM that they expect to be drafted. the rest of our vols, sorry to say, will be free agents. but, hopefully successful pros!!!
go vols.
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Bray, Hunter, CP, Thomas, Rivera, and Austin Rogers.
Was Ryan Leaf the steal of the '98 draft?
You really think Battle would take that job? More work, tons of politics, dealing with those toothless fans, Battle's too smart.
All those recruits on Family Day for a coach who preaches family. Butch practices what he preaches.
Biggest problem was Releford- Golden matchup. Releford took Golden out of his game, harrassed him, beat him up offensively and shut down his penetration.
And yes it alarming to see the lack of adjustment on that high pick. But the real problem was the offense and how Releford handled Trey.
It's going to be the most physical spring at UT in years.
Jones consulted with high school coaches before hiring Gillespie. Not sexy but pragmatic relationship building. From what I've read, Dooley would never have done that.
CBJ knows it's the line of scrimmage.
It's all about getting Jarnell touches down low. He doesn't have to shoot but when he doesn't get touches, the offense is stagnant and perimeter. He has to demand the ball and they need to learn how to get it to him consistently.
The offense will be no where as quarterback centric as it was the last couple of years.
When Bray screwed up Tennessee lost. End of story. Vols won't be as explosive downfield next year but they also won't be as reliant on the QB making big plays with his arm.
Butch is a blue collar grinder. That should be appreciated by East Tennesseeans. Been awhile.
Jarnell gets a touch, good things happen.
John Adams wrote another article. John is tenacious in his efforts to strike that right chord of pessimism and gloom.
But more than that, John is white. And in this world of diversity, that can't be overlooked.
Yes John is a writer. John is a white writer.
The entire university system and the Knoxville campus specifically are in the hands of folks who do not share the fundamental views of East Tennesseeans.
Can you imagine Andy Holt or Joe Johnson getting into such serious debt problems? That they would project financial prosperity to such an extent that they had no reserve?
Butch Jones does share those East Tennessee values. So did Doug Dickey and Fulmer.
But the real fundamental problem lies within the administration. East Tennessee has grown dramatically through the years but those basic cultural values should never change.
Heard the draft gurus discussing the top 8 QB's- no mention of Bray. Guy's got the strongest arm and he's not in the top 8? Headcase deluxe and they all know it.
in response to bigdisbig: This is the same Vol team that got beat by Memphis, Ga. and stomped in the dirt by Ole Miss at home and everyone is crowing over beating a weak Ky. team. I still say Cuonzo is a lower level coach who gets lucky every now and then. The guys played a great game today....probably the best of the year in spite of a weak coach.
in response to bigdisbig:
This is the same Vol team that got beat by Memphis, Ga. and stomped in the dirt by Ole Miss at home and everyone is crowing over beating a weak Ky. team. I still say Cuonzo is a lower level coach who gets lucky every now and then. The guys played a great game today....probably the best of the year in spite of a weak coach.
I can only imagine how bad Tennessee musta looked and played in the national championship football game against that weak FSU team, how lucky they were.
Goodness, man, smell the roses.
Ryan Leaf.
Get the ball to Jarnell.
I do believe they will be more physical on both sides of the ball. Offensively the returning line can certainly be more hardnosed and needs to be given the loss of big play capability. Defensively they can't be any worse, and a spring emphasis on hitting and toughness is a guarantee.
All good things go thru Jarnell, the more he touches it the better they are, he even runs the break better.
So why is it they ignore him half the time? He works for position and they throw outside and away from him.
in response to HaplessVol: If I didn't know better, I'd think I was listening to Dooley. By my calculations (Rivals, Scout and ESPN) we were 10th, 11th, and 11th in the SEC and trailed Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, and an Auburn team in as much disaray as us, with a 1st year coach. Two of our yearly rivals Florida and Alabama signed the nations top running back and three of the top 10 running backs respectively. They also signed quality defensive tackles. How many quality running backs and defensive tackles did you sign Butch? With selectiveness like this, we might go 4-8, if we keep the cupcakes, on the schedule, coming. Dooley 2.0!
in response to HaplessVol:
If I didn't know better, I'd think I was listening to Dooley. By my calculations (Rivals, Scout and ESPN) we were 10th, 11th, and 11th in the SEC and trailed Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, and an Auburn team in as much disaray as us, with a 1st year coach. Two of our yearly rivals Florida and Alabama signed the nations top running back and three of the top 10 running backs respectively. They also signed quality defensive tackles. How many quality running backs and defensive tackles did you sign Butch?
With selectiveness like this, we might go 4-8, if we keep the cupcakes, on the schedule, coming.
Dooley 2.0!
Actually this class doesn't mean much. Next year's will. So quit whining and crying. UT fans sure have gotten soft as baby butts.
in response to UTKin1992: 11th in the SEC. Let me repeat that, 11th in the SEC. One more time, 11th in the SEC. One final time for good measure, 11th in the SEC.
in response to UTKin1992:
11th in the SEC.
Let me repeat that, 11th in the SEC.
One more time, 11th in the SEC.
One final time for good measure, 11th in the SEC.
wow. Tennessee returns a ton of linemen for 2013, this is CBJ first class, he is establishing and repairing connections thru the state in preparation for the best overall recruiting depth in the state's history, and you're whining how some people rated UT's class.
I bet you took a poll before you decided your wife had enough stars.
Moore and Phillips neither got off the bench. As bad as the team effort was you'd think they would have gotten an opportunity. They may be thin, but they're not even using what they got.
in response to vol98champ: It sounded like they gave up when Williams got hurt. Then in the last few minutes they just ran out of gas. Almost no help from the bench was a killer.
in response to vol98champ:
It sounded like they gave up when Williams got hurt. Then in the last few minutes they just ran out of gas. Almost no help from the bench was a killer.
can't help if you don't play. ask holly why moore and phillips never got a second.
Disgusting article I figure Adams was forced to write on deadline.
I can picture the half empty fifth of Jack next to his keyboard.
They truly are painful to watch on offense. Bunch of dribbling and sideways passing, assuming they get it up court. Then somebody penetrates as the shot clock winds down and either charges, throws it away, puts up an off balance shot or passes it to somebody with 1 second on the clock.
I really do wanna watch but it really is difficult.
Taking its toll? I'm actually getting headaches watching that offense. I swear the ball stays 15 feet behind the 3 point line for 30 seconds, if they get a shot at all often it's an off balance shot clock beater.
It's like watching Vol football defense. Regardless of the limited talent, they just can't be that bad, can they?
They are as painful to watch on offense as the football's defense was.
I swear they get a decent shot attempt only about half their possessions.
in response to NGage: UT should ask him to come in as an invited walk-on, and tell him they will give him a chance to prove himself for a future scholarship.
in response to NGage:
UT should ask him to come in as an invited walk-on, and tell him they will give him a chance to prove himself for a future scholarship.
Absolutely. Why not? If he declines, then at least you offered a local kid. If he accepts, who knows?
Seems like height is not as important in a spread and mobility is more important.
Got 7 senior defensive linemen returning as well. And I guarantee they got more potential than what was displayed last year.
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Johnny Heisman was a 3star.
Brutal schedule but alot of veteran linemen on both sides of the ball. They buy in and there's a chance for a winning record.
Sure would like to see Pittman retained, he got those guys going.
Butch has proved he can make dinner. But can he buy the groceries?
Jacob Carter's tweet is telling. Implication is that practice mattered less than rep. Would explain the lack of discipline that manifested itself so consistently during Dooely's tenure. Accountability is a mighty big word.
Buyouts are the crutch of bad negotiators.
The cost of all these buyouts is absurd. Seriously, aside from Kentucky, is there an SEC program in worse shape?
Get Fulmer as AD.
I don't care if they hired Neyland, the place is a mess.
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