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in response to FWBVol: There's no doubt that the revenue generating sports on the men's side of the athletic program bring in more money than the revenue generating sports on the women's side. Of course there is nothing that the women have that compares to football, which, as others have pointed out, is the cash cow for bothe men's and women's sports at Tennessee and most other universities. The women's basketball team usually makes a small amount of money, but I'd be surprised if even softball, soccer and volleyball pay for themselves. I'd dare say if the women charged the same price as the men for basketball tickets they wouldn't sell as many tickets as they currently do. The men's basketball program is the second biggest money maker to football. In good years the baseball team breaks even and turns a small profit to put back into the athletic department. Unfortunately, there haven't been any good years in baseball lately, but better days are on the way. Whether the pay for itself argument holds water or not is a moot point. Title IX changed so many things for high school and college athletics. The SEC used to have several quality wrestling programs, but those programs became victims of gender equity as the women fielded rowing teams and the such. Even in basketball the women are allowed more scholarships than the men to achieve gender equity. I am all for women getting a fair shot in athletics, but not at the expense of young men that are trying for a fair shot as well. I was a student assistant in the men's Sports Information Department in 1987-88. UT hosted the SEC swimming and diving meet that year and the men and women athletic departments were supposed to work together to host the meet. Getting Debby Jennings and her staff to help with anything media related was like having a root canal. All the efforts to put together the media packages and heat sheets for both men and women were generated in the men's SID, mostly by Bud Ford and myself. I had to stop what I was doing countless times to makes trips down the hall of Stokely to get things from Jennings and her staff that they wouldn't bother to bring us. When the meet was completed and the SEC big wigs were handing out the kudos for a job well done by the UT athletic departments, Jennings and her staff almost knocked the men in the pool trying to grab the spotlight.
in response to FWBVol:
There's no doubt that the revenue generating sports on the men's side of the athletic program bring in more money than the revenue generating sports on the women's side.
Of course there is nothing that the women have that compares to football, which, as others have pointed out, is the cash cow for bothe men's and women's sports at Tennessee and most other universities.
The women's basketball team usually makes a small amount of money, but I'd be surprised if even softball, soccer and volleyball pay for themselves. I'd dare say if the women charged the same price as the men for basketball tickets they wouldn't sell as many tickets as they currently do.
The men's basketball program is the second biggest money maker to football. In good years the baseball team breaks even and turns a small profit to put back into the athletic department. Unfortunately, there haven't been any good years in baseball lately, but better days are on the way.
Whether the pay for itself argument holds water or not is a moot point. Title IX changed so many things for high school and college athletics. The SEC used to have several quality wrestling programs, but those programs became victims of gender equity as the women fielded rowing teams and the such.
Even in basketball the women are allowed more scholarships than the men to achieve gender equity.
I am all for women getting a fair shot in athletics, but not at the expense of young men that are trying for a fair shot as well.
I was a student assistant in the men's Sports Information Department in 1987-88. UT hosted the SEC swimming and diving meet that year and the men and women athletic departments were supposed to work together to host the meet. Getting Debby Jennings and her staff to help with anything media related was like having a root canal. All the efforts to put together the media packages and heat sheets for both men and women were generated in the men's SID, mostly by Bud Ford and myself. I had to stop what I was doing countless times to makes trips down the hall of Stokely to get things from Jennings and her staff that they wouldn't bother to bring us.
When the meet was completed and the SEC big wigs were handing out the kudos for a job well done by the UT athletic departments, Jennings and her staff almost knocked the men in the pool trying to grab the spotlight.
Sounds like you have a gender issue.
All you guys writing uneducated novels about this are missing the point. Since the Haslam nation has taken over at the UTAD all things are going to be run as a good ole boyz network. In other words, not taking UT back to the glory days, but back to the dark ages. Gender discrimination is just the first clue. Ever since Pilot Oil sent the plane for Dooley this has been a wakeup call for the demise of the AD. Hart just couldn't wait for the timing to be right to retire Pat and rid himself of any competition. Just plain ole negative politics in its worst form.
in response to TheVolSnake: Go Vol's When you return you will love your new facilities
in response to TheVolSnake:
Go Vol's
When you return you will love your new facilities
And you will be distracted by the newness of everything. What bad timing. Break up training camp in the middle of such an important season.
Right wing wingnuts are coming out of the woodworks. Always thinking conspiracy. I don't always drink beer my friends, but when I do I don't surround myself with morons.
in response to Ironcity: I don't care what someone does on his own time but when you use UT equipment and you work with student athletes, then you have to go. This is a no brainer. Now coach has to square his lifestyle with his family and I wish him well with that and any future endeavors.
in response to Ironcity:
I don't care what someone does on his own time but when you use UT equipment and you work with student athletes, then you have to go. This is a no brainer. Now coach has to square his lifestyle with his family and I wish him well with that and any future endeavors.
Just another homophobic reaction. Afraid of what are you sir?
Typical East Tennessee homophobic reaction. Typical UT reaction to expected local homophobia. Just another example of downward mobility from the Knoxville backwards movement in today's society. How sad. Ruined a mans life for the sake of conservative values. I am ashamed that as a graduate of UT that it resides in such an ultra nonprogressive community. No wonder Knox is the laughing stock of the state.
I have mixed emotions about most of these posts. Many of you would fire Obama because he replaced Bush. Pretty hard job to replace an incompetent leader. Let the lawyer put the blame elsewhere and then judge him. CDD is digging his own grave.
in response to VolzsFan: Yes, Wilcox did wonders with what he had ranking his defense in the Top 20 in most statistical categories. After Layne ran off or lost 44 kids (44 kids is almost two whole signing classes), Wilcox did well with the pieces. The defense did well enough for UT to have won as many as 3 more games last year but the offense is putrid. The rest is spin. No way he wanted this many to jet. They all left for lateral moves because he is a lame duck and they do not think he knows what he is doing. I know I am enjoying that change!!!!!
in response to VolzsFan:
Yes, Wilcox did wonders with what he had ranking his defense in the Top 20 in most statistical categories. After Layne ran off or lost 44 kids (44 kids is almost two whole signing classes), Wilcox did well with the pieces.
The defense did well enough for UT to have won as many as 3 more games last year but the offense is putrid.
The rest is spin. No way he wanted this many to jet. They all left for lateral moves because he is a lame duck and they do not think he knows what he is doing.
I know I am enjoying that change!!!!!
You are right on point..Lame Duck.
I played Little League for her father and remember Holly when she was just a little Tot. She and brother Willie...lol..were at every game. Greatest days of my youth were at that Rocky Hill ballpark with Bill Warlick and Jack Toole. There was never a doubt that she would be a success coming from that environment.
How about a bit of discipline on the coaches part when things get a little cockeyed out there? Lead by example. Remember who was really responsible for the debacle at Lexington. Take control and fix your own problems first.
oxymorons:military intelligenceJohn Adams sportswriterKNS fair and unbiased
Pile it on guys!
Who wrote this? KNS or the UT Athletic Department. Oh I get it! They are the same folks.
in response to OrangeAppeal: And John Adams continues his "Cal Ripken, Jr. like" streak. Exhibiting ineptness and gross negativism since 1987 at the KNS. However, he is still second to David Climer who has been at the Tennessean exhibiting ineptness and gross negativism full-time since 1977.
in response to OrangeAppeal:
And John Adams continues his "Cal Ripken, Jr. like" streak. Exhibiting ineptness and gross negativism since 1987 at the KNS. However, he is still second to David Climer who has been at the Tennessean exhibiting ineptness and gross negativism full-time since 1977.
A close second I might add. However Mr. Climer ocassionaly has an original thought.
John you have been reading too much sports in the Tennessean. Why don't you try to write something original? The guy with the 'stash' over there beats you to the point every time. This time weeks ago.
mid major coach..mid major results
Texans win all with Manning.
I grew up and learned to cuss in Knoxville and I can't even say phooey without being censored? You guys are totally unrealistic.
Grow up KNS. You go to the number one program in the country and you get this kind of phooey from a second rate paper. Really..Go Figure!
Second tier coaches will not cut it. Get some gonads new AD and hire top of the line guys.
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I know that the story about Pat is the sentimental favorite and I should support the effort, however...the Pearl story was the most significant event. It embroiled the whole being of the university in controversy including Mike Hamilton and the AD vs. Administration conflict. That story would get my vote...but wait...not so fast. The loss to KY and the sorry state of the football team this year made me forget all of the above until this poll came around so it gets my vote.
With the limited depth and talent available the offense was designed for the passing game this year, not the running game. When the whole thing fell apart, not just Hunter, the running game was called on to do a job it had not been prepared to do. It was easy for SEC defensive coaches to dominate and they did. This was all just a part of the problem started with the firing of Fulmer and the hiring of Kiffin. Lack of continuity caused this.
This inadequate coaching staff is going to ruin this young man's career.
At 70 bucks a pop it's no wonder why people stay away from a team that is at best treading water.
The coaches wive's event should be free. UT should be giving back to fans not taking more. After all, IT WAS THE UNIVERSITY that caused this mess.
He will definitely find his "change in life". How bout a $150,000 change to start.
One more thing about publicity. Unless I really look hard to find SEC standings in the Houston Chronicle, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, or the Dallas Morning News I can't find them. With A&M in the SEC they will be right along side the BIG 12 (9). Gold for recruiters from the SEC. If A&M fails to put a quality team on the field the D1 recruits will look elsewhere in the SEC if they weren't already. Let's hope all of these discussions are not moot.
Again folks this is HUGE news down here and not just in Houston. Sure the SEC is seen in Texas every Sat. on CBS and ESPN, but not to the extent it would be if A&M joins the SEC. And don't forget that the newspapers and websites like this present viable publicity down here and there are 5-6 times more people here than in Tennessee. A&M is a statewide phenom here not just a regional school like TTU and Baylor. Heck DFW and Houston each rival the population of TN. That kind of publicity is invaluable for recruiting. Arky and LSU who already heavily recruit here probably won't gain but the rest of the SEC will including Tennessee with its excellent national recruiting network. When people down here talk of SEC powers they already mention UT as an elite program. That kind of talk will only increase.
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in response to GhostOFLaneKiffinFan:
Well I gotta say you are not informed. There is a poop load of talent down here that would never go to A&M for a number of reasons but would go to other schools in the SEC just to play in this league. The extra coverage given to the SEC here in Houston, up in Dallas and all the way to West Texas is going to increase the number of SEC recruits exponentially. This is HUGE news down here and the recruits see it as such. This will be good for Tennessee and the rest of the conference. VA Tech should be next. GBO
ga tech would be great for me along with the Aggies, but I live in Houston and my wife is a Tech alum, so my opinion is tainted. But would be a great league since both of these schools would instantly upgrade their programs recuiting wise. Just think of the recruiting wars in Texas for all of that talent. We would be in the hunt along with Arky and LSU. An Atlanta school would assure itself success, but it ain't gonna happen. Tech will never admit their screwup before. They still see Bobby Dodd as their guru.
I would say most of the players, student athletes know about Mr. Shakespeare. I doubt though that the majority of the posters who say they don't have ever been to a literature class at UTK. If you want to allude to the educational difficulties many of the student athletes have please look at your own before making an a.. of yourself here.
We are on our way to building a good mid major program..great job mikey.
I once took my cat to the vet for a checkup. Before we left I told him that the thing being pushed up his rear was a good thing. When I brought him home he did not agree. That is about as related to UT sports as this article.
this really sucks to be posted on 247..what are you guys trying to do to the rest of us who refuse to pay your prices in protest of selling public info? What's next..CDD gonna cost us every time it is mentioned? You are taking this too far! You guys should concentrate on cleaning up KNS image not piling more phooey on it.
Maybe he can take CBP along with him to help him in the ethics department.
in response to Pompey: ...thoughful and factual post.....Tennessee has never quite reached the top of college athletics' because they have never stepped up to hiring a "difference maker" in a coach, or a top professional in an AD......great facilities can only do so much.
in response to Pompey:
...thoughful and factual post.....Tennessee has never quite reached the top of college athletics' because they have never stepped up to hiring a "difference maker" in a coach, or a top professional in an AD......great facilities can only do so much.
Ditto.
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in response to jecusitnet:
Geno is crooked. Pat Summitt's refusal to continue the year to year deal is proof of that. Nuff said.
Must have been heavy on the women's hearts that the men's team stole their thunder once again. To deny that is pure ignorance. All of Knoxville seemed to be focused on Mike Hamilton thanks to the staff at KNS's coverage and immature Twittering. You should be embarrassed JA.
PT Barnum has got to be turning over in his grave.
Who is paying the $250 grand owed on his contract? Anyone know?
Time for you guys to stop fu'ng around and get some interviews with CBP and MH before you get scooped again.
Just goes to prove what most of us non trustees know. The talent rarely comes to a school for the school itself. No kid comes to school because of Mike Hamilton or Jimmy Cheek either, but they can certainly stay away because of them. Same with ESPN. Without Pat and Bruce it would have been a rare visitor.
Some UTK oxymorons:
controlled chaosopen secretorganized mess accidentally on purposeBoard of Trustees
Fit them where you like.
"Vice Chair Jim Murphy said the decision was ultimately Cheek's and that the board had no influence in the affairs on the campus, including athletics." And pigs are flying over Knoxville and hell has frozen over.
The dishonesty is at all levels. Bruce was just the lowest one on the pole. These guys have no idea what the average fan thinks, needs, or wants.
in response to winVol: i agree completly with you, we need a AD that bleeds orange, hamilton has to go and now
in response to winVol:
i agree completly with you, we need a AD that bleeds orange, hamilton has to go and now
Don't mean to correct you since I do agree with you, however Hamilton does bleed orange. It is the purple poop he mixes with it that is killing us. (By the way I did not say poop, the KNS family newspaper censor did.)
Well you are right about one thing for sure. The next coach better be able to recruit Memphis because you just got to believe Bruce Pearl is going to be coaching there sooner or later.
in response to allenf1#223463: If true, would you expect less from our lying little weasel AD!! Hamilton must go. President and Trustees, are you listening to the TN faithful?? Fire him now!
in response to allenf1#223463:
If true, would you expect less from our lying little weasel AD!! Hamilton must go. President and Trustees, are you listening to the TN faithful?? Fire him now!
They are not listening to any of us. If they were they would understand the serious mistake they have already made. They don't even have the balz to address the issue. Tell me how giving a guy a hotdog at your house is worse than lying to recruits.
And to top it all off they revert to their SNAFU ways again and make another huge PR blunder. Of all days to announce this. Now Hamilton and Cheek are stealing Pat Summitt and the Lady Vols' thunder too. As if the NCAA tournament doesn't exist! Insanity.
This is stupid. As someone has already said they ain't got no balz in the administration or AD for that matter. They fired the wrong guy. How many lives can an ineffective puppet AD have? Now to CYA Hamilton will have to hire some meek little yes man. Back to the Dark Ages again.
in response to PepperGrinder: Typical conservative response. If you dont agree with someone you vilify them. In this case you insinuated that he is lazy and on welfare. Conservatives are so damn arrogant.
in response to PepperGrinder:
Typical conservative response. If you dont agree with someone you vilify them. In this case you insinuated that he is lazy and on welfare.
Conservatives are so damn arrogant.
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