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in response to EastTnVols962: I really wish The Tennessean posted more UT articles. The only reason I get on this site is because it offers so much. And then of course I like to see what fellow UT fans have to say. It starts out good, and then about five or six posts in, the arses step in. And I'm not just referring to the "truth squad". It's both sides. Yes I have had my tangles with one or two of them, but I try to stay out of it. Why can't everybody quit their bellyaching and have a meaningful conversation. The fact is, both sides are wrong. Hart is not out to destroy UT athletics. That's simply ludacris. And on the other side, yeah Butch has done good SO FAR, and I like what he says, but stop pumping your heads full of thoughts of rainbows, wins, and championships. Most UT fans know where we are. Why make it worse on ourselves by acting like 10 year olds arguing about which group gets to be the cops and which is the robbers? It's silly, and it ruins the site. I was gonna pay for 247, but at this point, it's not worth my time.
in response to EastTnVols962:
I really wish The Tennessean posted more UT articles. The only reason I get on this site is because it offers so much. And then of course I like to see what fellow UT fans have to say. It starts out good, and then about five or six posts in, the arses step in. And I'm not just referring to the "truth squad". It's both sides. Yes I have had my tangles with one or two of them, but I try to stay out of it. Why can't everybody quit their bellyaching and have a meaningful conversation. The fact is, both sides are wrong. Hart is not out to destroy UT athletics. That's simply ludacris. And on the other side, yeah Butch has done good SO FAR, and I like what he says, but stop pumping your heads full of thoughts of rainbows, wins, and championships. Most UT fans know where we are. Why make it worse on ourselves by acting like 10 year olds arguing about which group gets to be the cops and which is the robbers? It's silly, and it ruins the site. I was gonna pay for 247, but at this point, it's not worth my time.
Definitely +1. I understand true fans that get passionate about their school and its teams. I will always wear my orange and white here in the heart of Big 10..11..whatever, country. I also understand the frustrations of those "truth squad" members. It sucks to see greatness reduced to rubble. I believe that things are on their way back up, though. There is much work left to do and I think it can be done with the people who are there to do it.
I read this article and was shocked. I expected JA to be raining all over the good feelings that CBJ had fostered so far. I can't believe it..JA actually thinks Coach Jones has done a good job and is advocating patience when judging the on-field performance? Holy phooey...the end must be near. Me? I am not going to look as much at the record this fall. I am going to see HOW they play. I believe it will take another strong class in 2015 to fully see where this program is going long term. GO VOLS!!
Lopez might be the dark horse here. If he averages 8+ assists and fewer turnovers, I could care less how many points he scores.
in response to GAVol7: My comments were not based on what is best for the quality of the UT basketball team. (Yes I'm an alumni and I watch every game that is on TV...so I have a rooting interest). It's based on coaches making promises to kids, the kids accepting those offers, being committed for over a year, signing a NLI, and then at the last minute being "persuaded" to ask for a release because the coach over committed or messed up on his assessment of the player. I coach in another sport and have had 20 of my players sign D1 scholarships over the past 3 years. I can tell you this, if a coach did this to one of my kids or kids in our organization, that coach wouldn't get another kid from us. Maybe it will work out best for the kid. The Dad took the high road but you can tell he wasn't happy about it and it put them in a bad spot. But the coach, who these players are supposed to put all their trust in, pulls a fast one when the player didn't develop as projected. That's on the coach and his assessment of the player. When you make a commitment as a coach, you hold up your end. It sends a really poor message about your level of commitment to the kids. I had one prominent D1 coach tell me if I take your player and they don't pan out, then it's on me. That's the right approach. Be a stand-up guy. As for what happened in this case, some say it's part of recruiting, but it's shady. And it's not a practice I want the coach of my university involved in. It makes for a bad reputation on the recruiting trails and trust me, these players share their stories. Practice what you preach to your players. Stand by your commitments and be accountable.
in response to GAVol7:
My comments were not based on what is best for the quality of the UT basketball team. (Yes I'm an alumni and I watch every game that is on TV...so I have a rooting interest). It's based on coaches making promises to kids, the kids accepting those offers, being committed for over a year, signing a NLI, and then at the last minute being "persuaded" to ask for a release because the coach over committed or messed up on his assessment of the player. I coach in another sport and have had 20 of my players sign D1 scholarships over the past 3 years. I can tell you this, if a coach did this to one of my kids or kids in our organization, that coach wouldn't get another kid from us. Maybe it will work out best for the kid. The Dad took the high road but you can tell he wasn't happy about it and it put them in a bad spot. But the coach, who these players are supposed to put all their trust in, pulls a fast one when the player didn't develop as projected. That's on the coach and his assessment of the player. When you make a commitment as a coach, you hold up your end. It sends a really poor message about your level of commitment to the kids. I had one prominent D1 coach tell me if I take your player and they don't pan out, then it's on me. That's the right approach. Be a stand-up guy. As for what happened in this case, some say it's part of recruiting, but it's shady. And it's not a practice I want the coach of my university involved in. It makes for a bad reputation on the recruiting trails and trust me, these players share their stories. Practice what you preach to your players. Stand by your commitments and be accountable.
I don't disagree with your thoughts. Honoring commitments should be something we all do. It's sad that the culture of major college athletics encourages coaches to oversign. I would like to add another point. Oversigning wouldn't be as prevalent if athletes honored their commitments and stayed in school for their full academic careers. The will he/won't he game helps drive coaches to oversign.
in response to 1vavolfan: If another NIT season is what it takes to get rid of this clown then so be it. If you follow college basketball at all you know that the point guard is the most important spot on the floor. As Golden went last year so did UT. This is a disaster, Martin is in over his head. I'll bet the Landry family is having a good laugh right about now.
in response to 1vavolfan:
If another NIT season is what it takes to get rid of this clown then so be it. If you follow college basketball at all you know that the point guard is the most important spot on the floor. As Golden went last year so did UT. This is a disaster, Martin is in over his head. I'll bet the Landry family is having a good laugh right about now.
"As Golden went last year so did UT."
And they all made a brief stop in the NIT before being shown the door. Guess that makes a statement about Golden's game.
in response to OwensboroVol: I'm not saying that this is Martin but where there is smoke, there is fire. Where there is a foul odor something stinks. Something bad is getting ready to happen. You may be praying to have Bruce Pearl back in the near future.
in response to OwensboroVol:
I'm not saying that this is Martin but where there is smoke, there is fire. Where there is a foul odor something stinks. Something bad is getting ready to happen. You may be praying to have Bruce Pearl back in the near future.
Bruce would take this team straight to NCAA probation. They'd be sitting home watching the tournament with their 23-7 record.
Here is some information that may clear up questions that some people have.
What is the National Letter of Intent (NLI)?The NLI is a binding agreement between a prospective student-athlete and an NLI member institution. Prospective student-athlete agrees to attend the institution full-time for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters). Institution agrees to provide athletics financial aid for one academic year (two semesters or three quarters).
How can a signee be released from the NLI?Release Request:A request for release must be initiated by the NLI signee by submitting the NLI Release Request.
That is from NCAA.org. What it doesn't say is how much a player will play, if at all. Likely in this case, Plan A was informing Landry of the amount of bench minutes he was going to get. Plan B (if he elected to stay) would have been to pull an existing scholarship.
I didn't get a chance to post this earlier
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130...
It's not as uncommon as people might think. It's harsh reality for sure but coaches can't ever let the big one get away or it may cost them their jobs.
in response to Ironcity: I personally hate what just happened here. Martins best asset is his integrity and in this one move he has lost it with me and made it easy to recruit against him. This is consistent with what Buzz did and we saw how that worked out. Its bad enough that you would not have room for a kid who commits to you early in the process. It worse when you let said player sign his papers and then you shove him away leaving him with very limited opportunities. If you sign him then you should accept him. What happened here is a shame. Now that coach Martin has ventured into the sewer here he may find out as many other coaches have its hard to get out.
in response to Ironcity:
I personally hate what just happened here. Martins best asset is his integrity and in this one move he has lost it with me and made it easy to recruit against him. This is consistent with what Buzz did and we saw how that worked out. Its bad enough that you would not have room for a kid who commits to you early in the process. It worse when you let said player sign his papers and then you shove him away leaving him with very limited opportunities. If you sign him then you should accept him. What happened here is a shame. Now that coach Martin has ventured into the sewer here he may find out as many other coaches have its hard to get out.
Maybe you don't realize this but this situation is the norm for college BB recruiting. It's certainly possible that the final decision wasn't made until just recently. Anybody that cries for this kid or any other recruit shouldn't misplace those tears. Personally, I don't like the practice of oversigning but teams need to do it to guard against the decisions that players make to leave early or not.
As my screenname suggests, my NFL fandom belongs to the Lions. I got to watch Mike Cofer go from UT orange to Honolulu Blue. He was a fierce defender who could get after the QB. My prayers go out to the Cofer family that God's strength will be with them.
I moved to Tennessee in 1978 and immediately became a Big Orange fan. I had to watch the 1985 Sugar Bowl at a bar in California while I was in the Navy and you can bet I had my orange on. I remember Sports Illustrated coming to do a cover story on Bo Jackson, only to see UT put a beatdown on Auburn that day. Didn't some UT players end up on that cover? Coach Majors did a fine job in his time at UT. I think that Fullmer was probably a better coach and I was sad to see him go. The last 4 years have been hard to watch but it appears that CBJ has many of the same qualities that Fullmer had when he started and tat has me excited for the future. Since I live in the heart of Big 10(or 11 or whatever they're calling it these days)country, I will continue to root for the Vols from a distance and wear my orange with pride. The past has been written and is now history. The future looks pretty exciting.
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Way to go Johnny, you were right. Somebody give that man a cookie. That's what it's all about, isn't it? Being right. You get on here and post stuff only concerned about being right. When you are, you pat yourself on the back and criticize all those who disagreed. Real fans support their team even when the team makes decisions they may not agree with. That's what a true fan is..loyal and faithful, sometimes too much. They love their teams equally when they're 12-0 or 0-12. Results are just the icing on the cake. The true joy is being a fan. Too bad you're too shallow to understand.
Am I the only one on here who has noticed that the "he can't recruit" talk has greatly died down. The haters and trolls can't be happy about the fact that they're being proven wrong every day that UT's recruiting class is in the Top 10. Now they're turning to "he can't coach". Well, we'll have to wait and see about that. My hope is that CBJ is gonna prove them wrong about that too.
in response to HaplessVol: I guess it should come as no surprise, but the continuing idiocy posters on this site - the ones who've never been right about anything, perpetually whine, and enabled the destruction of Tennessee Football - never ceases to amaze me. One thing should be perfectly clear. Not one iota of Bray being passed over is Bray's fault. That young - very young - man gave his all for Tennesee under the most dysfunctional coaching regime and woeful head coach in UT's history, Dooley - probably the worst coach in the history of the SEC. Now, these same Know Nothings, who worshipped Dooley above all else, want to blame Bray for having to endure the equivalent of a life sentence, laboring under that moron that they had a conniption fit over, and launched into a string of epithets directed at anyone that dared to question even the slightest thing about their true love Dooley's ability. It's both amazing and sickening. I pointed out for the better part of two years that Bray was not getting a shred of coaching. I noted on numerous occasions that during Bray's frequent time on the injury list Dooley was doing nothing to mentor young Bray and teach him his craft. During games, instead of working with coaches, holding a clipboard, signaling in play calls, Dooley had Bray roaming the back benches, cutting up and clowning like high school reserve on a Friday night. Whose fault was that, between a 40 something year old man making millions and a teenager! Moreover, when I merely made this observation, I was again called names and treated to more of their inane drivel about how their precious Dooley knew exactly what he was doing. This is both sickening and disgraceful, the way these so called fans are now turning on Bray, once again trying to divert attention away from their own culpability in supporting the Dooley debachle. Still, it won't work, because the proof is here staring these enablers right in the face. Their precious Dooley had a first, second, and third round draft choice in this year's draft. Yet Vanderbilt's James Franklin - the coach these delusionals all claimed wasn't a match for Dooley - had but one fifth rounder and a seventh rounder. That's the same James Franklin who beat Dooley like a rented mule! Blame Bray? I think not. The blame lies with Dooley and these fools that enabled him here every day. The same fools who still don't care about our program, or else they wouldn't continue to still support another incompetent, Dave Hart, who retained the moron after the 2011 Kentucky game.
in response to HaplessVol:
I guess it should come as no surprise, but the continuing idiocy posters on this site - the ones who've never been right about anything, perpetually whine, and enabled the destruction of Tennessee Football - never ceases to amaze me.
One thing should be perfectly clear. Not one iota of Bray being passed over is Bray's fault. That young - very young - man gave his all for Tennesee under the most dysfunctional coaching regime and woeful head coach in UT's history, Dooley - probably the worst coach in the history of the SEC. Now, these same Know Nothings, who worshipped Dooley above all else, want to blame Bray for having to endure the equivalent of a life sentence, laboring under that moron that they had a conniption fit over, and launched into a string of epithets directed at anyone that dared to question even the slightest thing about their true love Dooley's ability. It's both amazing and sickening.
I pointed out for the better part of two years that Bray was not getting a shred of coaching. I noted on numerous occasions that during Bray's frequent time on the injury list Dooley was doing nothing to mentor young Bray and teach him his craft. During games, instead of working with coaches, holding a clipboard, signaling in play calls, Dooley had Bray roaming the back benches, cutting up and clowning like high school reserve on a Friday night. Whose fault was that, between a 40 something year old man making millions and a teenager! Moreover, when I merely made this observation, I was again called names and treated to more of their inane drivel about how their precious Dooley knew exactly what he was doing. This is both sickening and disgraceful, the way these so called fans are now turning on Bray, once again trying to divert attention away from their own culpability in supporting the Dooley debachle.
Still, it won't work, because the proof is here staring these enablers right in the face. Their precious Dooley had a first, second, and third round draft choice in this year's draft. Yet Vanderbilt's James Franklin - the coach these delusionals all claimed wasn't a match for Dooley - had but one fifth rounder and a seventh rounder. That's the same James Franklin who beat Dooley like a rented mule!
Blame Bray? I think not. The blame lies with Dooley and these fools that enabled him here every day. The same fools who still don't care about our program, or else they wouldn't continue to still support another incompetent, Dave Hart, who retained the moron after the 2011 Kentucky game.
"Dooley had Bray roaming the back benches, cutting up and clowning like high school reserve on a Friday night."Are you saying that Dooley told him to go clown around instead of being focused on the game? So you think that Dooley made him chuck beer bottles off of the balcony? Did Dooley have something to do with the jet ski incident? Understand this, I never was a Dooley fan and I am not praising him now. Your attitude of "even though he did bad things, it's not his fault" has this country in a whole lot of trouble.
in response to rtrchatt: Why all the TB dissing? 2 yrs ago he was a first round pick according to the big orange nation. Enough on Slash, lets talk some real college fb players and recruiting. The 08 and 09 Bama classes have now produced 10 FIRST ROUND PICKS and multiple other selections with a few 5th yr Srs following in 2013. Set aside all the wins, championships, rings and here is another example of Alabama excellence. 9 drafted and 3 free agents to this point from this draft, 11 of the 12 kids leave with their college diploma in hand. Dee Milliner being the exception as a 3 yr player. Congrads to all that play and study like CHAMPIONS. Roll Tide
in response to rtrchatt:
Why all the TB dissing? 2 yrs ago he was a first round pick according to the big orange nation. Enough on Slash, lets talk some real college fb players and recruiting.
The 08 and 09 Bama classes have now produced 10 FIRST ROUND PICKS and multiple other selections with a few 5th yr Srs following in 2013. Set aside all the wins, championships, rings and here is another example of Alabama excellence. 9 drafted and 3 free agents to this point from this draft, 11 of the 12 kids leave with their college diploma in hand. Dee Milliner being the exception as a 3 yr player. Congrads to all that play and study like CHAMPIONS. Roll Tide
Regardless of the fact that you love throwing the Tide's success in UT fans faces, I won't disagree with you here. As a matter of fact, look at the early signs of CBJ recruiting. He has targeted solid character players with well above average football skills. The results are a top 10 recruiting class. Sound familiar?
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I'm not happy about TB not being drafted. I'd hardly say he gave his all, though. I'd say he gave as much as he thought he needed to.
in response to jt45: Most of the time I agree with the regular posters on this site, but all this trashing of TB is far more embarrassing than anything that kid ever did while he was here. Blah blah blah not mature enough, blah blah not smart enough. Not one comment about how poor the leadership and staff situation was during his time here. Fact is, reading the BS the usual trolls write is easier than seeing Vol fans turn against this kid. No wonder he left ! Its like watching a bunch of Vultures on this site sometimes, some of you just cant get through a day without taking a parting shot at a former Vol.
in response to jt45:
Most of the time I agree with the regular posters on this site, but all this trashing of TB is far more embarrassing than anything that kid ever did while he was here. Blah blah blah not mature enough, blah blah not smart enough.
Not one comment about how poor the leadership and staff situation was during his time here.
Fact is, reading the BS the usual trolls write is easier than seeing Vol fans turn against this kid. No wonder he left ! Its like watching a bunch of Vultures on this site sometimes, some of you just cant get through a day without taking a parting shot at a former Vol.
jt..I agree to a point. Dooley and his staff may not have been the strongest leaders. That said, Dooley had nothing to do with Bray chucking beer bottles at cars and being openly flippant about his work and study habits in the Gruden interview. I think it's a sad story that he didn't get drafted and hope he gains some much needed maturity so that, in a couple of years, he can play on Sundays.
You sir, are a tool. First, I seriously doubt that you know Dooley. Second, BB was not reveling in Bray's situation. He was simply pointing out that Bray has NO ONE to blame for his situation but himself. Third, the previous statement is dead-on-balls accurate. You, and those like you, who come on here and trash anybody who supports UT athletics in any way are simply haters. Nothing more. You're not UT fans, just fans of hate and negativity. Sad...no, pathetic.
So now the big question becomes, who's the odd man out? My guess is either Reese or the juco kid coming in.
in response to JudgeandJury: Kentucky had 51,000 at their spring game and Vandy completely dominated the vols last year. I doubt the vols will have over 30k at their game. You are right about one thing, the vols are not in the same class as Florida, Alabama,LSU or Georgia.
in response to JudgeandJury:
Kentucky had 51,000 at their spring game and Vandy completely dominated the vols last year. I doubt the vols will have over 30k at their game. You are right about one thing, the vols are not in the same class as Florida, Alabama,LSU or Georgia.
You're right. They're not in the same class...yet. Check ESPN 2014 recruiting class rankings. Vols are currently #7 ahead of Bama with no sign of slowing down. That's step 1 toward getting in the same class.
in response to SevenT: This will get zero attention from the national media. Tennessee is NOT in the same class as Florida, Alabama, LSU or Georgia. This will be about as important to ESPN as the Vanderbilt or Kentucky pre-season game. Just Saying
in response to SevenT:
This will get zero attention from the national media. Tennessee is NOT in the same class as Florida, Alabama, LSU or Georgia. This will be about as important to ESPN as the Vanderbilt or Kentucky pre-season game.
Just Saying
That's the best you got?? Your hater card is gonna be revoked if you can't come up with something better. So the national media doesn't care....boo hoo.
in response to notfunanymore: After the game, I guarantee you fans will be asking "what skills?" All you will see tomorrow is a glimpse of an upcoming 4-8 or 5-7 season. Instead of calling it the Orange and White game, it should be changed to the Pathetic and Unbelievable game.
in response to notfunanymore:
After the game, I guarantee you fans will be asking "what skills?" All you will see tomorrow is a glimpse of an upcoming 4-8 or 5-7 season. Instead of calling it the Orange and White game, it should be changed to the Pathetic and Unbelievable game.
Congratulations...you win the "First Negative Poster Award". Given out to closed-minded whiners and haters everywhere.Get a grip. You don't know they'll be 4-8 any more than others think they know they'll be 8-4. This is the time to be open minded and see CBJ show what his staff can do or can't do. The haters swore he couldn't recruit and they have been proven wrong so far. Let's see a glimpse of game prep and in-game coaching today.
in response to ncvol17: Scary that the word is we still have issues tackling IMO....may not have just been the scheme LY, may truly be the players
in response to ncvol17:
Scary that the word is we still have issues tackling IMO....may not have just been the scheme LY, may truly be the players
Its not so much the scheme as the level of accountability. The previous regime would watch the missed tackling, get upset about it an then do nothing except send those guys right back out there.
in response to Teresa: He was available to the media this week because I heard a good interview with him by Jimmy Hyams. I can see why players like him. He said on fumbles, he makes them run until he's not mad anymore. It was pretty funny.
in response to Teresa:
He was available to the media this week because I heard a good interview with him by Jimmy Hyams. I can see why players like him.
He said on fumbles, he makes them run until he's not mad anymore. It was pretty funny.
Definite +1 Coach Gillespie.
Bray has got a boatload of talent. I agree with those who say that the system he gets into makes all the difference. He does have that "meathead" mentality so if he can grow out of that, he's got a solid shot to play every Sunday.
in response to AprilDawnRX: Agreed....a week ago, CCM was Coach of the Year and the program was on the upswing....play "sub par" and fickle fans want him fired and bringing CBP back into the fold....last time I checked, CCM isn't the one on the court reaching in on defense and being lazy and no motion on offense....he can't do it all; those men are MEN and they have to bring it and take it to another level on their own....we are playing without a true point guard/ball handler and a young team....CCM brought them from the basement in January to being competitive and beating some of the best teams in the SEC....he has my support....
in response to AprilDawnRX:
Agreed....a week ago, CCM was Coach of the Year and the program was on the upswing....play "sub par" and fickle fans want him fired and bringing CBP back into the fold....last time I checked, CCM isn't the one on the court reaching in on defense and being lazy and no motion on offense....he can't do it all; those men are MEN and they have to bring it and take it to another level on their own....we are playing without a true point guard/ball handler and a young team....CCM brought them from the basement in January to being competitive and beating some of the best teams in the SEC....he has my support....
definitely +1
in response to peerless1: Well...THAT was a sucky ayuz performance-well done guys. Sorry, but dang u did NOT want it bad enuff. wow.
in response to peerless1:
Well...THAT was a sucky ayuz performance-well done guys. Sorry, but dang u did NOT want it bad enuff. wow.
Huh? How does anyone know that? There is no way to measure that. What a weak analysis.
in response to underthehill: TN is in better shape than KY because of the 30 point blowout..the committee looks at the team KY is now..not the team they were with Noels..
in response to underthehill:
TN is in better shape than KY because of the 30 point blowout..the committee looks at the team KY is now..not the team they were with Noels..
Missouri is basically a lock at this point. There's a slim chance it could get interesting for them if they get blown out in the first game.
in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE: That was under the guidance of Wade Houston..
in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE:
That was under the guidance of Wade Houston..
Thanks, BB. I remember that many in the national media were horrified about the prospect of a team with 9 or 10 wins getting in the tournament.
in response to RememberWhen: Seriously? Isn't he the same guy that "led" them to 11-10 at one point???? If CCM was all that he wouldn't (a) be looking for his first EVER trip to the dance as a head coach and (b) wouldn't be sweating it out as a bubble team in a conference that is no better than 8th best in the country!
in response to RememberWhen:
Seriously? Isn't he the same guy that "led" them to 11-10 at one point???? If CCM was all that he wouldn't (a) be looking for his first EVER trip to the dance as a head coach and (b) wouldn't be sweating it out as a bubble team in a conference that is no better than 8th best in the country!
So given your logic, any coach who has never made the dance sucks? Pearl had made the dance just once before coming to UT...too bad he was a lying cheater and that's as bad as there is. So they were 11-10..big deal. Isn't the point to improve? Most of the tournament field after the top 5 seeds have lost nearly 10 games.
in response to RememberWhen: Anybody that thinks this team is in the Dance because of today's win is delusional...Jimmy Dykes included! There's a whole list of things still either unknown or against TN...including: 1. They still don't have 20 wins. Check the history of how many at-larges there have been with less than 20 wins. Even if they beat SC/MissSt to get to 20, they still have to beat Alabama in a "bracketbuster" game to have a shot. And even if they do that, and then lose to FL, they're only 21-12 which is still not a good thing in a bad league! 2. Nobody knows what upsets may occur in conf tourneys by teams that won't get in otherwise. Those upsets in leagues with a team or two that are already locks will knock out bubble teams from bigger conferences - aka TN. 3. History hasn't been kind to at large teams with RPI's above 40...in fact, it's been VERY unkind. TN will not get below this number. The SOS doesn't help and the mix of quality wins vs bad losses isn't favorable. 4. The committee isn't going to be favorable to the SEC. 4 of the 9 members deciding (not counting the SEC member that must recuse himself) on SEC teams are from the west coast, 1 is from the Big 10 (which is well-known to hate the SEC), and 3 others are from the ACC, Big12 and CUSA - all with biases of their own. This is the one time each year that others can get a little payback for the SEC football arrogance and there is no doubt they aren't going to give any SEC team the benefit of the doubt. 5. They're in SIXTH place in a league that is not strong and will likely not get more than 3 or 4 bids. They have zero WOW factor, no stars, no star coaches, and were a .500 team just a month ago! Don't believe all that nonsense about the last 10 games - the committee isn't going to ignore the 2/3 of the season with some of the losses this team had. 6. With 37 at-large spots, you can go through top 6-8 conferences and make a solid argument for 30-34 that are better cases than TN. Add in the next tier with solid 2nd place teams - assuming their best wins the conf tourney - and you quickly run out of room for not just TN but several others in the big boy conferences. Bottom line, TN must make it to Saturday in the tourney to have ANY chance and may even need Sunday! Not hating, just the facts.
Anybody that thinks this team is in the Dance because of today's win is delusional...Jimmy Dykes included! There's a whole list of things still either unknown or against TN...including:
1. They still don't have 20 wins. Check the history of how many at-larges there have been with less than 20 wins. Even if they beat SC/MissSt to get to 20, they still have to beat Alabama in a "bracketbuster" game to have a shot. And even if they do that, and then lose to FL, they're only 21-12 which is still not a good thing in a bad league!
2. Nobody knows what upsets may occur in conf tourneys by teams that won't get in otherwise. Those upsets in leagues with a team or two that are already locks will knock out bubble teams from bigger conferences - aka TN.
3. History hasn't been kind to at large teams with RPI's above 40...in fact, it's been VERY unkind. TN will not get below this number. The SOS doesn't help and the mix of quality wins vs bad losses isn't favorable.
4. The committee isn't going to be favorable to the SEC. 4 of the 9 members deciding (not counting the SEC member that must recuse himself) on SEC teams are from the west coast, 1 is from the Big 10 (which is well-known to hate the SEC), and 3 others are from the ACC, Big12 and CUSA - all with biases of their own. This is the one time each year that others can get a little payback for the SEC football arrogance and there is no doubt they aren't going to give any SEC team the benefit of the doubt.
5. They're in SIXTH place in a league that is not strong and will likely not get more than 3 or 4 bids. They have zero WOW factor, no stars, no star coaches, and were a .500 team just a month ago! Don't believe all that nonsense about the last 10 games - the committee isn't going to ignore the 2/3 of the season with some of the losses this team had.
6. With 37 at-large spots, you can go through top 6-8 conferences and make a solid argument for 30-34 that are better cases than TN. Add in the next tier with solid 2nd place teams - assuming their best wins the conf tourney - and you quickly run out of room for not just TN but several others in the big boy conferences.
Bottom line, TN must make it to Saturday in the tourney to have ANY chance and may even need Sunday! Not hating, just the facts.
Funny...when people tell you they're not haters, that generally means they're haters.
in response to volspaws: Remember it well.....We beat Kentucky 3 times that year, including an epic game in the tournament....Bert Bertlekamp was the point guard....Terry Crosby had a great tournament...Don DeVoe's first year if i remember correctly
in response to volspaws:
Remember it well.....We beat Kentucky 3 times that year, including an epic game in the tournament....Bert Bertlekamp was the point guard....Terry Crosby had a great tournament...Don DeVoe's first year if i remember correctly
Which year was it when a terrible UT team went to the finals of the SEC tourney? I think, when they lost in the finals, they still had single digit wins.
Great win. As someone has already said, anything but an ugly first round loss in the tournament should send UT dancing. The key is to win 2 games (or more)and get away from that play-in game.
I am a Tennessee Vol fan and always will be one. I don't currently live in Tennessee nor was I born there. I was born in Michigan and my dad is a big UofM fan. I lived in Tennessee for 4 years during which time I became a UT fan. I currently live in Indiana. Being a UT Volunteer fan is about who you are, not where you're from. That's my 2 cents.
in response to FanNotSheep: OK, once more and slowly: I don't follow the coming and going of assistant coaches and the minutia of recruiting. So I was not aware that this guy is apparently the next Rodney Garner, but I don't understand why anyone thinks a former UF football player is bleeding Tennessee orange. The SEC? Sure, and a good career move if Jones can coach. I am not grumbling, just not naive enough enough to think a Florida guy has loyalty to Rocky Top, any more than Jay Graham always dreamed of being a Seminole. I'd love for you to call Jay Graham a coward to his face. I guarantee he would knock you all the way back up which ever Interstate brought you here.
in response to FanNotSheep:
OK, once more and slowly: I don't follow the coming and going of assistant coaches and the minutia of recruiting. So I was not aware that this guy is apparently the next Rodney Garner, but I don't understand why anyone thinks a former UF football player is bleeding Tennessee orange.
The SEC? Sure, and a good career move if Jones can coach. I am not grumbling, just not naive enough enough to think a Florida guy has loyalty to Rocky Top, any more than Jay Graham always dreamed of being a Seminole.
I'd love for you to call Jay Graham a coward to his face. I guarantee he would knock you all the way back up which ever Interstate brought you here.
FNS...I get your skepticism. Assuming all the facts in the article are correct he turned down Muschamp out of loyalty to Halgorson. At the very least, it tells me that he wasn't hell-bent on coaching at UF. I find that to be at least a little comforting.
Still some work to be done but not nearly as much as there was 3 hours ago. Do not overlook the Ugly Dawgs and take a well deserved extra day of rest. Bye bye Swamp Lizards!
Check this out. At the very least, it makes for interesting reading.http://www.seed-madness.com/GO VOLS!!
The Dance is still something of a longshot. A win over Flawida means that they probably need to win a game in the SEC tournament. A loss means they probably have to get to the final game, at least. I still think they probably will end up in the NIT. Regardless, I defiinitely like what I see from this coaching staff and team.
in response to BIVOLAR_BEARE: That's funny..I see tucky's going to win in OT, that sure stinks..UT needed Mizzou to be as highly rated as possible before they meet @ TBA..GBO!!
That's funny..I see tucky's going to win in OT, that sure stinks..UT needed Mizzou to be as highly rated as possible before they meet @ TBA..GBO!!
BB...that was really a no lose game for UT as UK's win helps our RPI.
in response to 9willbesofine: No need for you to request turds. Just look around you. As for The Gators, They rolled the Hogs today while your vawls played 68 minutes of basketball against a bad team. With only 2 days to prepare, Billy will school Quizno and The Gators will roll Tuesday night. Now back to your search..... We are "also receiving votes" We are N.I.T bound We are proud We are ut
in response to 9willbesofine:
No need for you to request turds. Just look around you. As for The Gators, They rolled the Hogs today while your vawls played 68 minutes of basketball against a bad team. With only 2 days to prepare, Billy will school Quizno and The Gators will roll Tuesday night. Now back to your search.....
We are "also receiving votes"
We are N.I.T bound
We are proud
We are ut
In the spirit of tonight's Oscars......"And the winner of the troll-of-the-week award!"...
John...I couldn't agree more. This lineup will get hurt by teams with a dominant front line. However, they handled the press very well and can shoot. This lineup would have beaten Bama on the road for sure. Gotta give CCM credit for changing things up and looking to play to the strength of this team.
in response to movol53: OK it was a great game and UT won. So my question is where's the UT defense??? They allowed LSU to get back into the game three or four times; getting the score down to single digits. I like what I see but the defense? What has happened? Have they just decided to out score everyone?
in response to movol53:
OK it was a great game and UT won. So my question is where's the UT defense??? They allowed LSU to get back into the game three or four times; getting the score down to single digits. I like what I see but the defense? What has happened? Have they just decided to out score everyone?
This LSU team played with a lot of heart tonight. They just simply willed themselves to stay in the game. Their guards were quick enough to get an open look most trips down the floor and they hit some second half threes. I don't think it's a knock on UT's defense as much as it is a testament to how hard LSU played.
I think it's time to give CCM some credit. He is using this 4 guard lineup most of the time now and the results are huge. He also had handled Stokes and Golden's slumps well and gotten them back on top of their games. I like the way that roles are getting defined on this team. If they keep it up, the Dance will be a real possibility.
in response to TheEffect: At South Carolina.......the worst team in the SEC with Miss. State. Maybe you should have a ring made to commemorate the "big" victory.
in response to TheEffect:
At South Carolina.......the worst team in the SEC with Miss. State. Maybe you should have a ring made to commemorate the "big" victory.
What a troll! ANY conference road win is big. Just ask Florida after their trip to Arkansas.
This set up as a loss for UT before they even arrived in Fayetteville. Not entirely CCM's fault. They simply were not equipped to beat Arky on the road due to the lack of a point guard. Golden likely wouldn't have changed the outcome (made the score closer?). This is a NIT/1st round NCAA team until they get a capable PG.GO VOLS!!
Given the Arkansas style of play, the fact that it's a road game and Tennessee's PG deficiency, a win would be huge.
in response to eduardo: Gee if that the case...WHY THE HECK DID YOU NOT HIRE JON GRUDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in response to eduardo:
Gee if that the case...WHY THE HECK DID YOU NOT HIRE JON GRUDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Because Gruden would be a memory as soon as a desired NFL job came open.
Given the talent level and the style of play, this team is bound for the NIT. Next year's lineup: Richardson, McRae, Stokes, Maymon and a solid PG. That puts Reese, Lopez and Moore as productive options off the bench. That should be a team that can do some damage in the NCAA tourney. GO VOLS!!
in response to FanNotSheep: Stokes needs another big presence to free him up. If Maymon isn't going to play someone has to offer an offensive threat or we will see more collapsing defenses that dare our outside shooters to beat them. I'm glad Martin is a great defensive coach but this style of basketball won't ever fill up the arena. He has to recruit some offensive talent.
Stokes needs another big presence to free him up. If Maymon isn't going to play someone has to offer an offensive threat or we will see more collapsing defenses that dare our outside shooters to beat them. I'm glad Martin is a great defensive coach but this style of basketball won't ever fill up the arena. He has to recruit some offensive talent.
If winning basketball doesn't fill up TBA, then shame on Vol fans.
Living in Indiana, I watched many Purdue games with Cuonzo Martin as a player. He plays Gene Keady's style: motion offense, suffocating D and some serious mental toughness. Someone tell me when they've seen this team come unraveled in the second half. Richardson continues to develop, Reese's shot looked pretty good considering it was his very first game, and Lopez was a sparkplug. With this defense, UT should only need to get into the 60s to have a good chance to win. Get used to it. CCM basketball isn't pretty but it will be winning basketball. GBO!
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