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Prayers and hope to you and Reba and the boys. God has a plan.
in response to WaltGoVoIs: This type of letter from these coaches would -have- to part of the university's legal strategy. The question would be - where was the progressive discipline? Was Mason warned before that her results were lacking? One company I worked at you had to document attempts to help the failing employee: 1. Oral warning (but done in writing) 2. Written warning 3.Personal improvement plan with -quantifiable- goals. Was the person in the office for X number of hours a week? Did they produce Y number of reports per hour? If it's not on paper it didn't happen. I would think this would have little effect on her law suit. It's Post Facto. It's just UT touching a base. Walt UT '81
in response to WaltGoVoIs:
This type of letter from these coaches would -have- to part of the university's legal strategy.
The question would be - where was the progressive discipline? Was Mason warned before that her results were lacking?
One company I worked at you had to document attempts to help the failing employee:
1. Oral warning (but done in writing)
2. Written warning
3.Personal improvement plan with -quantifiable- goals. Was the person in the office for X number of hours a week? Did they produce Y number of reports per hour?
If it's not on paper it didn't happen.
I would think this would have little effect on her law suit. It's Post Facto. It's just UT touching a base.
Walt
UT '81
Walt, that is exactly how it works in the real world. Corporations do this to cover their hinies. Works, too.
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Funnyeeee. Dave can be very brassy when it is some elses money. You are spot on.
in response to voloffaith: From another VOL in sc...Ms. Moshak was doing the reviews......the ranks have circled in tight...
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From another VOL in sc...Ms. Moshak was doing the reviews......the ranks have circled in tight...
Ahhh.....
in response to KCHS63: "An undated, unsigned, and unaddressed letter from Warlick......" Uh, okay.......really?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
in response to KCHS63:
"An undated, unsigned, and unaddressed letter from Warlick......"
Uh, okay.......really?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
My thoughts exactly. Now I don't have a clue what is really going on here, but on the surface I think UT may lose their butts on this. This lady had superior reviews for years and suddenly, without any bad reviews by her superiors, she is fired. And they intend to support this with "an undated, unsigned, and unadressed letter from Warlick." Who at this level writes such letters? Just saying this episode might not pass the sniff test.
I love this guy and only want the best for him but I think most everyone feels he needs at leaset one more year or even two to be ready for the NBA. I really don't think he is even ready for European BB. But he has to follow his heart, right or wrong. Hoping he'll stay, enhance his chances, and help the Vols to the big dance next year. They could be special.
Yemi, you will always be part of the Vol family. I enjoyed watching you play and wish nothing but the very best for you.
Kudos Bernie! We are very proud of you.
in response to reidtownriverrat: How can you be one and done in the NIT if you have two players ready for the NBA? Thats not a big step thats a giant leap.
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How can you be one and done in the NIT if you have two players ready for the NBA? Thats not a big step thats a giant leap.
Blunt, but well said. These boys will be sorry they left, IMO, if they elect to do so. Both are great kids and I really wish success for them but another year will get them more money and a higher place in the draft.
She's been one of my favorites for three years and I could never understand why whe never got more playing time. Go Kamiko!
Saw this coming last nite in the second half against MSU. Very disappointing.
For the most part, CCS did this with 2 and 3 star players from Florida. With the right guys, you can coach up and get great results. Hats off to CCS. Easy to see why he did not jump to Rocky Top. They'll do well in the ACC.
A great article for a Vol legend. And yes, I miss Phil and Chief, and Al Wislon, and Peyton, and Peerless, and all the other student athletes that made the 90s UT's decade of dominance. Phil gave his all for the Vols.
He would be a great hire but early morning talk show Bill King says the latest out of Louisville is Strong is staying. King also states Grundy is still in play. If both these fall through, and they likely could, then the Vols are down to Jones, Golden, Davis, and Petrino. I can't get excited about Golden.
Petrino has a bit of a foul odor about him but that could be from dining on humble pie for the past several months. He is a proven winner and UT could do a lot worse, and probably will.
in response to A_Voice_ofReason: Ding ding ding, here comes the idiot train. For those of you who actually believe Dooley hasn't been fired have their heads in the sand. It happened last month folks. Dooley says Hart hasn't made up his mind? LOL, I remember Hamilton saying the same thing when Fulmer was fired. Dooley is gone, and there has been a plan in place for 2 months (yes, even before Dooley was canned) to get his replacement in. UT will be prepared this time...this won't be another Kiffin repeat.
in response to A_Voice_ofReason:
Ding ding ding, here comes the idiot train. For those of you who actually believe Dooley hasn't been fired have their heads in the sand. It happened last month folks. Dooley says Hart hasn't made up his mind? LOL, I remember Hamilton saying the same thing when Fulmer was fired.
Dooley is gone, and there has been a plan in place for 2 months (yes, even before Dooley was canned) to get his replacement in. UT will be prepared this time...this won't be another Kiffin repeat.
UT prepared? I see you haven't tried the twelve step programs yet.
Hang in there Big Guy. We need you with AJ next season. You're a great player. Kepp that dobber up.
CDD gets one more year and will turn it around. Next year's team can be really special and it is Dooley's team. Hart would be an idiot to start over with a new coach. Doesn't mean I am happy with the record, but making a change is not the way to go, IMO.
Would Gruden bring any stability to UT? Nope. He's off to the NFL at the first opportunity. Can UT right now afford to pay the coach they would want what would be demanded. Not sure. UT is not in the best financial condition at present. I personally believe a .500 finish will get CDD another year. Plus not sure what he was told at the time of his hiring. Cubbard was bare at his arrival. He has done some good things and some not so good. Next years team will be quite good. There is an acceptable recruiting class shaping up for depth. And the coffers will have another year to get replenished if needed. So, sit back and enjoy the ride. When Spurrier leaves, the Shamecocks return to their rightful place. It's about time for Saban to move again. Can't believe Muschamp will continue at the pace he is going. So things might look a bit better brighter in a year or so.
in response to burpee_von_rotweiler_IV: "Drama Dad" means nothing but trouble down the road. Walk away from her.
in response to burpee_von_rotweiler_IV:
"Drama Dad" means nothing but trouble down the road. Walk away from her.
You have to be concerned about the possibility of it.
Gruden would leave at the first better opportunity. Petrino has never shown any loyalty to anyone. Witness how he left the Falcons. I say give CDD at least one more year regardless of how this season finishes. If things haven't improved in the won-loss department, let the serious talk begin.
in response to sequoyah#236720: Really, the man lost to the number 3 team, the number 6 team and now the number 12 team. He'll probably lose to two more top ten teams. At least we aren't getting blown out every week like last year. We are making progress for anybody that is a student of the game. I've ready had enough of these passionate idiots who only want bragging rights with their buddies. Who do you think is waiting to take this job that is so much better? We going to "Kiffin" up again because we are impatient? Get some scum like Patrino? Get real and give the man another year. He's earned it, those kids have earned it. I'm not happy either, but its a time to be thoughtful and analytical, not rash and emotional.
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Really, the man lost to the number 3 team, the number 6 team and now the number 12 team. He'll probably lose to two more top ten teams. At least we aren't getting blown out every week like last year. We are making progress for anybody that is a student of the game. I've ready had enough of these passionate idiots who only want bragging rights with their buddies. Who do you think is waiting to take this job that is so much better? We going to "Kiffin" up again because we are impatient? Get some scum like Patrino? Get real and give the man another year. He's earned it, those kids have earned it. I'm not happy either, but its a time to be thoughtful and analytical, not rash and emotional.
My sentiments as well.
in response to jobrando#216494: There was many other proven Div II coaches that would have taken the job but no some bureaucrats wanted Vince Dooley the legend's son. Simple as that. We got an on the job cheap trainee. They knew Neyland stadium would continue to pack in folks even if they hired Elvis.
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There was many other proven Div II coaches that would have taken the job but no some bureaucrats wanted Vince Dooley the legend's son. Simple as that. We got an on the job cheap trainee. They knew Neyland stadium would continue to pack in folks even if they hired Elvis.
Money was never an issue. The job was turned down by many DI and DII coaches and not for lack of money. CDD last name had nothing to do with it. Believe if given the time, CDD will be a winner. If not, start the search and break what little stability we have now start over. There is a time to make a change just don't believe now is that time.
in response to Rock85: DIFFERANCE MY FRIEND. Majors was not only a Tennessee Legend, He was a PROVEN COACH. He had won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.Dooley has never beat a top 10 team
in response to Rock85:
DIFFERANCE MY FRIEND. Majors was not only a Tennessee Legend, He was a PROVEN COACH. He had won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.Dooley has never beat a top 10 team
True, Wardawg. But since every "proven" Division I coach in the free world turned down the UT job, we got what we got. Very difficult to beat a top 10 team when your talent level is mid 40 level. The inconsistencies of this team are typical of a rebuilding project and there are glaring holes in the project, most notably speed on the defensive side of the ball. The Vols do not have upper echelon SEC talent at the moment but they are competing and this indicates proper recruiting and coaching. I'd love more wins and I believe they will come with stability in the coaching ranks. It would help if the fan base was a bit more stable but that is what keeps the boards going.
For a few years after Majors came marching home, the Vols were not very good. As Majors would say, the cupboard was bare. When Laney boy left, he took the recruiting class and many players with him. Others were shown the door after no being able to live within the law. So Dooley has been left with a bare cupboard that will take time to fill. Took Majors a while to get enough talent to turn the corner. It will take Dooley a while as well. Firing him and starting all over will only prolong the rebuilding, and that will depend on making the right hire which is high risk in itself. Bama was down several years, Florida was down several generations, and Carolina has been down forever. Like it or not, it happens. About ten years ago I was on top of The Big Mountain in Montana in a major snow storm with my Vol hat on. Out of the howling wind and blowing snow, I heard someone scream, "Go Vols". I was amazed at the breadth of recognition. We'll be back. Go Vols.
If the press releases have any semblance of truth to them, then Hart is not tough, he's an idiot that needs to go. This indicates a guy that is not comfortable being around strong women. Pat and Tyler would have known when to go. Additionally, the football team was in shambles when CDD arrived. Not one other reputable coach in America would even sniff the job. So far, Dooley has recruited well and it appears that a great foundation is being layed. This team could be special next year. Fire him and lose all that and start all over again? I don't think so and I don't think Hart does either, unless he is a bigger idiot than I thought. This other thing will be settled out of court with no admission of wrong doing by either party and UT will foot the bill again.
Sometimes the more a person is naturally given the harder it is to personally appreciate with the right balance of gratitude. Hence, maturity comes late if at all. I wish DaRick the very best and I hope he is now on the road to growing up. I still find myself wondering what the receiving corps would have been like with him in it. I think it would have been something very special. I'll always remember him as a Vol and not a Golden Eagle. So good luck to Mr. Rogers and GBO.
Hey, don't be knocking TTU. If they can put up with me for four years, I think DaRick has a chance to complete the 3.5 months season intact. I know nothing about their program at present and wonder if they have a QB that can get DR the ball. Also, they play some pretty good teams and have sent a few good players to the NFL over the years.
Dooley will not tolerate fools forever. Jackson and Clear come to mind. But I hate to see it. A good year and D'Rick would be off the pros with a lot of money. Now he may be off to something even his talen can't overcome. I hope for him and the team he can overcome this but you can't let hang around and constantly cause the team grief. He has never embraced the team concept. Herman should have a one on one with him as in Al Wilson therapy.
in response to VOLtage: Just saw where Kennesaw State is on the Google maps and its north of Atlanta and the campus's east side borders I-75 southbound. Now you know something you could care a less about.
in response to VOLtage:
Just saw where Kennesaw State is on the Google maps and its north of Atlanta and the campus's east side borders I-75 southbound. Now you know something you could care a less about.
Kennesaw State is the second or third largest college in Georgia, I believe. Growth has been very rapid over the past 10 years. They laid a whupping on GaTech couple of years ago. Had a very down year last year. Son graduated from there and granddaughter is a rising junior in their nursing school. Very nice campus.
While you can't please everybody all of the time, this could be a major source of embarrassment in the future if even a whiff of it is true. See how the current and pending lawsuits go and then call the shot. This style of management is not effective in the long term and on occasion is simply used to show superiors that some actions are being taken. Change for the sake of change seldom solves anything.
OK, empty beer bottles allegedly which means that Bray's 26 y/o roommate emptied them before Bray tossed them while practicing his throwing motion. This is how it went down since Bray is not old enough to drink adult beverages. And funny how Adams just happened to be a witness to the event so he could write an accurate report.
In all seriousness, if there is any truth to this CDD and Herman Lathers need to wear his young butt out. He is paying lip service to being all in if this is true. Al Wilson would have never tolerated any of this lack of commitment.
This will be a very experienced and tough NCSU coming into Atlanta. Don't be taking this one for granted. Vols better be slobering at the mouth at kickoff. GBO!
Where is the team leadership? What would Al Wilson have done? LOL
in response to gomer: Thats fuuny, so whats ut a preschool team, notre dame is better then tennessee and kelly is light years ahead of dooleave in coaching. but i guess you are not a true tennessee fan cuz you support doolittle and root for a conference, but yet take shots at a team that always has been and is still currently better then tennessee even in there worst decade in there history.
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Thats fuuny, so whats ut a preschool team, notre dame is better then tennessee and kelly is light years ahead of dooleave in coaching. but i guess you are not a true tennessee fan cuz you support doolittle and root for a conference, but yet take shots at a team that always has been and is still currently better then tennessee even in there worst decade in there history.
Actually both UT and NDMS are mere shadows of themselves but I like the Vols chances of finding sunshine sooner than NDMS. If NDMS played in ANY conference they might never see sunlight again. They should get in the Big East or the ACC since they obviously do not want anything to do with a big boy conference.
I was shocked at Delaney's comments when he first made them. The purpose of any system is to have the two best teams play for the championship. While I like the idea of extending the playoff to four teams, the conference championship should not have anything to do with how the teams are chosen. The conference champpionships should be, and are, a part of the body of work to be considered for placement in the poll and the playoff. The new system will have the same issues, only more teams will be complaining. Why doesn't someone start putting pressure on on the Irish lads from Nortre Dame Middle School to get their butts in a conference and play with big boys. I guess Delaney will really be pi**ed when ND gets to the Big game with an 8-3 record over OSU or Michigan with a better record.
Great hire!
To put all this in perspective, Pat is the only coach the Lady Vols have ever had. Amazing in and of itself but to have accomplished what she has is astounding. The Vol nation will be forever grateful to this VFL. But the show must go on. I am a little confused that a search committee was not formed to find a replacement. Maybe Pat called the shot on that also. Just don't think Holly can recruit. Hope she surprises me. Go Vols.
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You are apparently not familiar with her medical and mental conditions. Her particular illness will in all likelihood prevent from knowing where the toilet is, much less when to retire on her terms. It is a very sad situation and all Vol fans do not want to see her pitied or embarassed during another drawn out season. I would say the vast majority of people across the country know that she should and probably will step down within a few weeks and work for the university in some capacity she can feel productive in. God bless her. This has been a trying season for all concerned and another one like it, or possibly worse, will do no one any good, particularlly Pat.
Guess I have to find a new fav NFL team. It won't be the Colts any longer. Peyton deserved a better ending from the Colts than this. I know with Peyton it is not about the money. Never has been. He'll get far more as a free agent. I just don't want him to end like Namath, Favre, Unitas and some of the others. So Irsay made a business decision. He better be right or Indy will have a very empty new stadium. I hope Peyton eventually comes back to Knoxville and gets involved with UT athletics. A natural.
Good on him.
This is really a slippery situation for both Pat, UT, the players, the assistant coaches, and the fans. Who wouldn't want her to see her stay for another couple of years? However, if she does, expect to see the same sort of performance from the players. This has been a very heavy load for the seniors to carry. I do not think this class was as talented as some in the past, but try to digest the distractions facing them this year. Charged to win one for the Gipper would be too much for most of us, much less a group of kids. If Pat stays, recruiting will suffer. We are already seeing some of this. Others may be waiting to weigh their options.Pat has earned much, her place in history is secured. I for one do not think she wants to drag the program down simply because she has earned the right to do so. I'm sure she has fears about life after the game, but I know the administration will keep her involved.It would be great if we could script an ending from the movies, but we need to get a grip on reality and hope for as gentle an ending as possible. And, I love this team. I think they might surprise some folks.
I just have to question why Spani was getting so much PT. She is not in shape, can't defend off the dribble, commits to the shot way prematurely, and caused several turnovers. No criticism of either Strickland or Johnson. They are Lady Vol basketball right now. Simmons had her head covered much of the game. Bless her heart, when she is bad, she is really bad.
in response to volleyreb: We all love pat and what she has done. Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno both overstayed their time at their respective schools. Florida State and Penn State programs suffered through those great coaches last few years. All of us questioned why are they were staying on. Their minds were there, but their bodies were ageing. Let's honor Pat in other ways, but it is getting to be disrepectiveful to her, the lady vols and the university of tennessee to allow this situation to continue. Pray for Pat... Allow her to move on with dignity.
in response to volleyreb:
We all love pat and what she has done. Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno both overstayed their time at their respective schools. Florida State and Penn State programs suffered through those great coaches last few years. All of us questioned why are they were staying on. Their minds were there, but their bodies were ageing. Let's honor Pat in other ways, but it is getting to be disrepectiveful to her, the lady vols and the university of tennessee to allow this situation to continue. Pray for Pat... Allow her to move on with dignity.
Well said. Everyone must remember that Pat's illness may prevent her from making a timely decision. God bless her.
in response to topgun: VOLFANS, we have to realize that the CPS we have all admired, respected and loved over the past decades is no longer with us. She is seriously ill. Just because her body is still sitting on the bench with her players--her mind is not 100% available to her to reclaim that old CPS fire and passion--pacing the sidelines lines, glaring the old Pat glare at the refs, her players and anyone else who was not putting out 100% for the team. Does it not stand to reason that CPS,now, is incapble of that 100% effort she demanded of others ?? Yeah, I know that CPS at 75% or 80% is better than most coaches at their 100%--but that ain't the point. Besides, all newspaper and TV interviews and quotes, reactions, and anything to do with the game come from Holly Warlick? So, Pat is not coaching this team!! I literally have tears in my eyes when the TV cameras zoom in on Pat, during the game, and she has that blank, non-responsive stare out in to God only knows where. You have to wonder what's going on in that great mind of hers. No overt passion. No fire. No nothing. Let's review the results: record lows in LV history against ND, USC, UK, and now Vandy scoring 93 points?? The issue is what to do to help Pat. The state of Tennessee, UT, and the athletic depts should bestow on Pat the highest possible honors in the greatest retirement ceremony in the history of our state/univ---after this season has mercifully ended. Pat should go out as a hero to all lady basketball fans accross the entire sports world. Pat's basketball legacy is dying the death of a thousand cuts. A wounded hero in the arena, Pat needs help. This season, possibly her last, may be remembered as one of her worst ever. UT needs to hire Nikki Caldwell from LSU to take over for Pat. (Please, under no circumstances should anyone on the current staff be considered for head coach.) Caldwell is an excellent caoch, has strong ties to CPS and UT. She beat Kentucky. Regardless of how the season plays out, Pat, the wounded warrior and hero, should retire. The illness will get worse over time and our beloved Pat will deterioate beofre our tear stained eyes, Pat deserves better! GOVOLS!!
in response to topgun:
VOLFANS, we have to realize that the CPS we have all admired, respected and loved over the past decades is no longer with us. She is seriously ill. Just because her body is still sitting on the bench with her players--her mind is not 100% available to her to reclaim that old CPS fire and passion--pacing the sidelines lines, glaring the old Pat glare at the refs, her players and anyone else who was not putting out 100% for the team.
Does it not stand to reason that CPS,now, is incapble of that 100% effort she demanded of others ?? Yeah, I know that CPS at 75% or 80% is better than most coaches at their 100%--but that ain't the point. Besides, all newspaper and TV interviews and quotes, reactions, and anything to do with the game come from Holly Warlick? So, Pat is not coaching this team!!
I literally have tears in my eyes when the TV cameras zoom in on Pat, during the game, and she has that blank, non-responsive stare out in to God only knows where. You have to wonder what's going on in that great mind of hers. No overt passion. No fire. No nothing.
Let's review the results: record lows in LV history against ND, USC, UK, and now Vandy scoring 93 points??
The issue is what to do to help Pat. The state of Tennessee, UT, and the athletic depts should bestow on Pat the highest possible honors in the greatest retirement ceremony in the history of our state/univ---after this season has mercifully ended. Pat should go out as a hero to all lady basketball fans accross the entire sports world. Pat's basketball legacy is dying the death of a thousand cuts. A wounded hero in the arena, Pat needs help. This season, possibly her last, may be remembered as one of her worst ever.
UT needs to hire Nikki Caldwell from LSU to take over for Pat. (Please, under no circumstances should anyone on the current staff be considered for head coach.) Caldwell is an excellent caoch, has strong ties to CPS and UT. She beat Kentucky.
Regardless of how the season plays out, Pat, the wounded warrior and hero, should retire. The illness will get worse over time and our beloved Pat will deterioate beofre our tear stained eyes, Pat deserves better! GOVOLS!!
Very well said.
While the article may be untimely and not what everyone wants to hear, it is also timely and exanctly what everyone needs to hear. The players are doing their very best but are being pulled in every different direction imaginable. Remember, these ladies are very talented but are still kids. They are being coached by a committee, they have their own feelings they are trying to deal with and they see the same thing when they look at Pat that we do. Climer's articfle merely opened the door for discussion of what we all know is the final outcome, just not the timing. Keep in mind that Pat's disease may prevent her from knowing when it's time. It is a sad time for Vols, let's try to maintain a little integrity and the process works its way to the outcome.
First and foremost, there is no way to measure the contributions Pat has had to the University and women's sports across the nation. Geno is profiting from Pat's trailblazing. That being said, every team needs an in charge coach. Ut has been coaching by committee since Pat made the announcement and therefore no single person is in charge. The players are confused and it shows. Additionally, this group of seniors has never had a true leader. I don't believe Holly is the one to step up nor do I believe this team can be salvaged. It is unfortunate but it happens. Hunker down and see who the new AD chooses as Pat's replacement.
Jets, baby!
The last three years Fulmer was coaching, the vast majority of fans were calling for his scalp. Hamilton finally gave it to them. It was a sad day but one that in all truth probably needed to be made. Kiffen ws hired and everyone went ape especially when he became the most brash voice in the SEC. He recruited like a beast. His dream job became available and he took it like 100% of the fans would have done. The anger of his leaving was that fans realized what they were losing. They loved him until he left for his dream job. Bruce was an unbelievable hire by Mike. A man that quidkly went orange like no other. Other teams did indeed fear the Vol ballers. Bruce let his ego get the best of him. I'd hire him in a New York minute. I don't blame Mike for this. The hiring of Dooley was questionable but everyone in the country had turned the job down. He may yet prove to be a good hire. So, bottom line, Mike was one of the best ADs in the history of UT that had a great run that unfortunately didn't end well. When Bruce and Pat were doing their thing, Phil was winning, the stars were alined in bright orange. Things change but Mike Hamilton was not the fault of the universe coming apart. Blame Les Miles, Saban, Spurrier, and Patrino. It's gonna take a lot of work to get it back and I hope the journey is as exciting as it was when Dickey, Majors, Fulmer, Devoe and others created winners.
in response to OrangePsyched: Before volinsouthcarolina or whatever he calls himself posts on here 43 times let me say this looks like a good hire. That said..why is this filled so quickly and we are taking so long on DC?
in response to OrangePsyched:
Before volinsouthcarolina or whatever he calls himself posts on here 43 times let me say this looks like a good hire. That said..why is this filled so quickly and we are taking so long on DC?
Hope you aren't talking about me. I haven't posted 43 posts total in my life. But do like to read. GBO
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